We Are Steadfast 1Cor 1613

[jeannie (jeannie)]

Thank you Jack and Bob for your wonderful insights and the spirit behind the words..

We are all in remarkable journey; as Bob so poetically said "a movement." An expert observing us recently said "It is groundbreaking in nature, a pioneering of sorts." He deals with individuals coming out of all sorts of abusive systems and he uses us as an example to encourage them. But as Bob said "this is fluid, there is a flow and each of us is required to listen to the Spirit's voice. We have not yet arrived.

I see FN with all it's defects as the starting point. FN gave us the equipment to break the walls of a closed system. It gave a voice to those silenced through slander and discrediting a place to be heard. It also developed into a sense of community. We may fight, incite and inflame but we also give support, reach out to the wounded, listen and care about each other.

It is community! We sense a move of the spirit towards our capacity to heal ourselves and in turn, heal others. We see God doing something much bigger than any of us imagined. There is a large group of us in many different states, from many different decades and with many different gifts sensing the same thing. We have a shared experience, it has bound us together and we have gained strength from each other. But there are many not surviving this experience, they have open wounds and have not even begun the process. Bruder has offered some wonderful insights privately to me. One insight which had a profound impact on me was the need to provide an exit ramp, a place of safety to heal. David Henke has also encouraged that direction from the beginning.

I have not been on FN of late, but a few of us have been busy working in this flow towards further healing. Many of us saw a glimpse of "something powerful and new" at Maria's on Saturday night. It was not about FN or even GGWO but it centered around Christ, our individual walk and our shared experience. We all sensed God is gathering.

I believe God wants us to look at the bigger picture. It should be inclusive and full of grace for anyone entering the process of exiting. My conversations this week include not only the dissidents but recently left pastors and also current branch pastors attending the Feb. meeting. I do not know where every branch pastor stands but I know there are more than one who have the desire for real honesty and repentance and change as we do. I believe God desires us to be inclusive to whoever we find standing on the exit ramp.

Many of us have a vision, it is in the swirling development stages, but we do sense God's power converging events and people together. We are planning to gather together on a regular basis. We are working on meetings/conferences/workshops to offer resources and individual counseling to help in the healing process. There are many gifted people involved.. New Englanders, the TBS old-timers, outside leaders, and just plain folks like us.

We don't have dates or specifics. We will post when we do. But I am offering up a direction some of us feel a leading in. We know there are many gifted individuals on this forum with the same passion for the wounded. You are a part of us. If you have any thoughts, insights or questions please email us.

Jeannieree44 at aol dot com
StjByrne at aol dot com
anonbrief at yahoo dot com
jackchris.brown at verizon dot net
jack.leonard at gmail dot com
terra underscore cognita at hotmail dot com Dpetini64 at aol dot com
sfern at verizon dot net
MuskyRose at aol dot com


(Message edited by jeannie on January 07, 2005)

[lee (lee)]

Brava Jeannie!

[bob_brinton (bob_brinton)]

I like this a lot. It sounds like what the Spirit has been moving toward for some time.

[susanna_krizo (susanna_krizo)]

Yes, it is amazing

[helenaofmass (helenaofmass)]

God Bless You Jeannie and all those involved. Oh I pray for blessings and an abundence of healing.
Positive hopeful steps. Now that is something to rejoice about.

Helena

[maria_t (maria_t)]

Thanks, Helena,
It was on my heart for quite awhile to have get-togethers in my home for those who have left GGWO and are in need of healing/restoration/fellowship...

Nancy and I opened our house in New Year's Day, and we had the first get-together of this type at my house. There was an amazing presence of the Holy Spirit there. People were sharing things in such a spirit of love, peace and unity. It was precious. Some of us had already gotten together in small groups here and there, but New Years was the kickoff of the "vision."

Last Saturday was the same thing all over again. God has been ministering to his people and we are going to make an impact thru His leading. It doesn't matter whether people left awhile ago or just as recent as a day ago. We are all at different stages in our healing processes and each one of us has something vital to share with someone there that will impact that person's life.

Its precious.

Maria T

[c_la_verite (c_la_verite)]

Who was it who said "There is nothing so powerful as an idea whose time has come" ?

[whitehorses (whitehorses)]

ford motor company

[yogi (yogi)]

Carl Stevens probably took credit for it as his own "revelation" in one of his many "anointed" plagarisms,er, messages.

Yogi

[herroyalhighness (herroyalhighness)]

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

[c_la_verite (c_la_verite)]

well whoever ... the truth always wins

[harbinger (harbinger)]

Please be aware that several persons have indicated an interest in receiving materials related to GGWO - booklets, audio tapes, video tapes, even home movies. If you wish to donate them, you may do so via this address:

ESCAPE SA
9613C Harford Road #202
Baltimore, MD 21234

Please be aware that items will not be accepted postage due and any items donated will not be returned; therefore, plan accordingly.

[yogi (yogi)]

Confiscating the evidence no doubt!

Yogi

[maria_t (maria_t)]

harbinger

What is the plan for the booklets, tapes, etc?
What will be done with them? -- To whom will the recipient of these things be?

I;m just asking because I have every doctrine booklet printed from day one, and, close to 3000 tapes (audio).

Maria

[louise_connolly (louise_connolly)]

Pack the tapes, booklets, and all other GGWO literature away and keep it. You never know when they might come in handy like about 25 years from now when an internet discussion board is talking about GGWO being a cult. Oh, that already happened.

If the charlatans Carleluia groomed to be the same as him can get rid of all the evidence of their incredibly aberrational teachings then they can continue on with business as usual and deny they indoctrinated thousands of Christian folks with false doctrines.

GGWO needs to go out of business, because the bottom line is, 'the leaders do not care about people'. They use God's Word and Jesus' message of salvation to take advantage of people for their own self serving purposes. This is not something that happened along the way it has been this way since the organization’s inception.

[bruder5 (bruder5)]

"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can change the world; Indeed it is the only thing that ever has.

Margaret Mead

Social movements always seem to begin this way. FactNet is mapmaking. The destination may be up in the air but it is forming.

"I hear the hum
of mighty workings"
Keats

[jeannie (jeannie)]

Amen Bruder!


In the words of the Ancient Irish Hymn


Be thou my vision, O Lord of my heart,
be all else but naught to me, save that thou art;
be thou my best thought in the day and the night,
both waking and sleeping, thy presence my light.

Be thou my wisdom, be thou my true word,
be thou ever with me, and I with thee Lord;
be thou my great Father, and I thy true son;
be thou in me dwelling, and I with thee one.

Be thou my breastplate, my sword for the fight;
be thou my whole armor, be thou my true might;
be thou my soul's shelter, be thou my strong tower:
O raise thou me heavenward, great Power of my power.

Riches I heed not, nor man's empty praise:
be thou mine inheritance now and always;
be thou and thou only the first in my heart;
O Sovereign of heaven, my treasure thou art.

High King of heaven, thou heaven's bright sun,
O grant me its joys after victory is won;
great Heart of my own heart, whatever befall,
still be thou my vision, O Ruler of all.

[bruder5 (bruder5)]

An Epic Hymn...What an image. Would make a great film.

[roseanna (roseanna)]

Jeannie,
Did you know that that 8th century Irish hymn was translated by Mary E. Byrne (1880-1931)?

Really!

[jeannie (jeannie)]

No, I didn't know that Roseanna. How cool!

[bells_joy (bells_joy)]

figures...(0:

[rjfernalld (rjfernalld)]

gossip gossip gossip....

[maria_t (maria_t)]

Excuse me Roberta?

[herroyalhighness (herroyalhighness)]

Bruder - I always thought you might be the younger brother of Jack Kerouac!

[bruder5 (bruder5)]

"desolation, desolation I owe so much to desolation." Kerouac
I envy his talent and his road trips but alas no relation. I come from a long line of drunk men...
Tell wormwood we shall begin the design for the 35% and own our deadwoodness!

[herroyalhighness (herroyalhighness)]

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif Bruder - Ah, yes..he mentioned the plans for 35% (with interest!). Beauty for ashes, and all that...however sometimes it's the other way around - !

[harbinger (harbinger)]

In light of recent developments and in an attempt to move forward in the process of healing, arrangements have been made to secure a meeting room in a public place, where those who are interested may come together in support of each other.

Anyone wishing to either receive or give support is welcome, regardless of attendance status at GG or any of its affiliates. In addition, an experienced exit-counselor will be available at no cost.

The meeting will take place on Monday, March 21st at 7 pm in eastern Baltimore County.

For more information, please contact:
Escape_SA_mail@yahoo.com

Please indicate subject as March meeting.

[brad (brad)]

Harbinger your making the rounds.
Very inter-resting.....

[arguendo (arguendo)]

"In light of recent developments and in an attempt to move forward in the process of healing, arrangements have been made to secure a meeting room in a public place, where those who are interested may come together in support of each other.

Anyone wishing to either receive or give support is welcome, regardless of attendance status at GG or any of its affiliates. In addition, an experienced exit-counselor will be available at no cost.

The meeting will take place on Monday, March 21st at 7 pm in eastern Baltimore County.

For more information, please contact:
...

Please indicate subject as March meeting."

Who are you? Why should anyone trust you or contact you?

Your post reads like a scam.

[arguendo (arguendo)]

"Please be aware that several persons have indicated an interest in receiving materials related to GGWO - booklets, audio tapes, video tapes, even home movies. If you wish to donate them, you may do so via this address:

ESCAPE SA
9613C Harford Road #202
Baltimore, MD 21234"

This is a rented mailbox at: Postman Plus, 9613C Harford Rd Baltimore, MD 21234

[rjfernalld (rjfernalld)]

Arguendo, are you convinced it is not a scam now?

[arguendo (arguendo)]

nope.

[rjfernalld (rjfernalld)]

Those who are organizing this may need to remain anonymous for personal reasons. If that is so, what could they do to engender our trust? This is an honest question, not a challenge, A. Is there something they could offer that would make this seem less "scammy"?

I am also thinking that the use of the Postman Plus would assist them in not being infiltrated by those who would seek to stop them.

[arguendo (arguendo)]

The meeting is in March. I can wait for Harbinger to respond. I just find the whole thing very odd.

[karen (karen)]

I have heard from a person associated with the March meeting and Escape SA. I am not at liberty to reveal who it is, but I trust this person and am convinced both initiatives are legit.--for what it's worth to anyone.

-Karen

[anon_brief (anon_brief)]

I endorse this March meeting and Escape SA.

AnonBrief@yahoo.com

[rjfernalld (rjfernalld)]

I too have had correspondence with a person involved with this meeting. I endorse it wholeheartedly.

I urge all dissidents in the area...go to this meeting and show your support.

[jeannie (jeannie)]

There are many of us backing this endeavor to support those exiting a spiritually abusive church.

[arguendo (arguendo)]

OK

[boss_martian (boss_martian)]

I know the organizers. It's not a scam. It's probably not something that Carl would endorse, but it't not a scam. I'll be there.

[lee (lee)]

I'd be there if I could. The organizers are people I respect and trust. I would like to hear what the exit counsellor has to say.

[ariel (ariel)]

If the role of the 'exit counsellor' is to persuade us to tone down this factnet thing
then you can fageddaboutit!

[boss_martian (boss_martian)]

Don't think you'll have to worry about that, Ariel! I think they may advise us to turn it up to "11"!

[anon_brief (anon_brief)]

No, Ariel - rest easy.

[rjfernalld (rjfernalld)]

no exit counselor would tell you to do such a thing

[harbinger (harbinger)]

Please be aware that the meeting scheduled for this month will take place on Monday, March 21st at 7 pm in eastern Baltimore County.

It will be held in a public place, where those who are interested may come together in support of each other.

Anyone wishing to either receive or give support is welcome, regardless of attendance status at GG or any of its affiliates. In addition, an experienced exit-counselor will be available at no cost.


For more information, please contact:
Escape_SA_mail@yahoo.com

Please indicate subject as March meeting.

[harbinger (harbinger)]

Please be aware that the meeting scheduled for this month will take place on Monday, March 21st at 7 pm in eastern Baltimore County.

It will be held in a public place, where those who are interested may come together in support of each other.

Anyone wishing to either receive or give support is welcome, regardless of attendance status at GG or any of its affiliates. In addition, an experienced exit-counselor will be available at no cost.


For more information, please contact:
Escape_SA_mail@yahoo.com

Please indicate subject as March meeting.