Lardmark Day for the end of GGWO

[miss_k (miss_k)]

The money, sex, greed, the lies, corruption, the stories, fabrications, the run arounds, the threats are close to a real end.

If I was an affilated minister I take this to heart.

Quote from an officer in Baltimore" The stores I got just go on and on" and they repeat over and over again. They are to much the same to not see something is going on here."

FBI
IRS
WMAR
WJZ
The Sun Paper
The City Paper

All have a ton of verifiable information coming at them from multiple parties. Not one but many.

From what I heard yesterday the FBI had more phone calls than they could handle.

If I was an affilated ministry, if I was Pastor at GGWO I would seperate myself as far as I could from GGWO today.

I am not kidding you. I never thought this would happen. I say give it a week and expect a storm to brew.

There are more stories that we can put on paper right now.

Get ready for people to be arrested for criminal not civil matters.

Expect people to start singing to keep from going to jail.

I would not want to be to close to the accounting department or the elders right now.I would run and help the authorities to keep from seeing jail time.

Miss K

[boss_martian (boss_martian)]

WOW!

Thanks to Great and Powerful God for hearing the voices of those who have been stepped on by this cult. Thank you, Lord, for taking care of this, not on MY time, but on YOUR time (which is always the RIGHT time)! Thank you, Lord for giving strength, determination, discernment, and integrity to your servants, that they would stand up in the face of losing friends and family for doing what is right. Lord, please comfort those that are feeling lost right now, that they will know that you still love them, no matter where they choose to worship You. Thank you.

[ariel (ariel)]

In light of this threads title, and with apologies to Bob Dylan for taking liberties with his lyrics, these paraphrased words some older factnetters may recognize....

"Come pastors and Elders please heed the call,
Don't stand in the doorway , dont block up the hall,
your old ways are rapidly agin'
you better start swimmin' or you'll sink like a stone,
FOR THESE TIMES THEY ARE A CHANGIN' ! "

So be it!

[boss_martian (boss_martian)]

Speaking of Mr. Dylan, this song always comes to mind when I think of people leaving GGWO.

It's All Over Now, Baby Blue

You must leave now, take what you need, you think will last.
But whatever you wish to keep, you better grab it fast.
Yonder stands your orphan with his gun,
Crying like a fire in the sun.
Look out the saints are comin' through
And it's all over now, Baby Blue.

The highway is for gamblers, better use your sense.
Take what you have gathered from coincidence.
The empty-handed painter from your streets
Is drawing crazy patterns on your sheets.
This sky, too, is folding under you
And it's all over now, Baby Blue.

All your seasick sailors, they are rowing home.
All your reindeer armies, are all going home.
The lover who just walked out your door
Has taken all his blankets from the floor.
The carpet, too, is moving under you
And it's all over now, Baby Blue.

Leave your stepping stones behind, something calls for you.
Forget the dead you've left, they will not follow you.
The vagabond who's rapping at your door
Is standing in the clothes that you once wore.
Strike another match, go start anew
And it's all over now, Baby Blue.

[ariel (ariel)]

.."Forget the dead you left, they will not follow you......"

I'm singing with ya Boss M. !

[miss_k (miss_k)]

I have do have a list of some of the contacts of people who are going to do investigations including FBI agents, IRS Agents, and reporters.

If you want to help them, please drop me a line at

tsgarp@netzero.com

I have to be careful about who I give the information to. If you think you have something worth telling let me have at least some clue and I will pass contact information between parties.

Miss K

[miss_k (miss_k)]

Question?

Could audio sermons in the last 6 months proove GGWO was extorting money from its members.

Pastor C? What is Pastor raising money for tonight?

[arguendo (arguendo)]

I don't think sermons alone are enough for a prima facie case. See below for a general definition of extortion.

Extortion
From Wikipedia
Extortion is a criminal offense, which occurs when a person obtains money, behaviour, or other goods and/or services from another by wrongfully threatening or inflicting harm to his person, reputation, or property. Euphemistically, refraining from doing harm is sometimes called protection.

Blackmail is one kind of extortion -- specifically, extortion by threatening another's reputation with the disclosure of incriminating statements (true or false) about him. Even if it is not criminal to disclose the information, it constitutes extortion to demand money or other consideration not to disclose it. [1] (http://www.lectlaw.com/def/b105.htm)

Extortion is distinguished from robbery. In robbery, the offender steals goods from the victim whilst threatening him with force. In extortion, the victim willingly turns the goods over to avoid a threatened violence or other harm.

The term extortion is often used metaphorically to refer to usury or to price-gouging, though neither is legally considered extortion. In the United States, some Libertarians and Objectivists have described taxation as a form of "extortion".

United State Federal Definition of Extortion is: The term "extortion" means the obtaining of property from another, with his consent, induced by wrongful use of actual or threatened force, violence, or fear, or under color of official right.

[miss_k (miss_k)]

OK I can think of some other legal terms, and by the way missrepresentation of the use of monies can be considered a lot of things that fall into criminal acts, especially if there are kick backs involved and habbit of not recording the money.

[miss_k (miss_k)]

arguendo,

I am glad you brought up blackmail!

If a person says to one person if they leave there employment at a business they will expose say some inmoral behavior would that be blackmail?

For instance say a young man works for a college and is found he likes to look at porn and gamble on the internet.

His boss tells him he knows and that if he leaves the company he is going to tell his wife, and he needs to give him a thousand to keep his mouth shut.

Would that be blackmail?

[arguendo (arguendo)]

Yep, hard to prove though.

Pretty much threatening to tell anyone's wife anything is blackmail, IMO.

[miss_k (miss_k)]

What if both spouses were blackmailed? In fact what if multiple parties had the same kind of blackmail executed against them in a similar fashion at the same place of business?

[yogi (yogi)]

Did this happen at GGWO on their computer network miss_k?

yogi

[jim_kennedy (jim_kennedy)]

I just wasn't aware field agents in the FBI discussed cases so openly with anybody and everybody. Wouldn't all this publicity undermine what they are trying to do? "Let's put it on Factnet so they can start shredding documents." I'm also uncertain their case load would allow time for something like GG. Is GG a threat to National Security? There's also a reluctance on the part of Federal, State and Local law enforcement to get involved with anything to do with a church. If they were there are much bigger fish in that ocean than GG, just turn on your television. I could see the FTC or even the IRS. My security experience leads me to believe that we should all exercise caution in evaluating this new revelation. Reporting something to the FBI is one thing, having them take it on is another.

Who are you, Miss K?

Jim

[louise_connolly (louise_connolly)]

Miss K is Neil

[whatsup (whatsup)]

I think Miss K is Neil.......style of writing and choice of topics are typical of him. I noticed it almost from the beginning....just my guess

[heather (heather)]

Jim..I wouldnt throw Miss-K's story out altogether. You can e-mail me of you would like, as I don't think posting any of it it wise. I would suggest the same for Miss-K as GG has actually stepped up attacks on my family, not decreased. badnblond01@aol.com

[heather (heather)]

P.S when I got my call I reacted just as Boss did. I dropped down and praised my mighty God for hearing our voices. I had tears of mixed emotions from Joy to sorrow. It will be bitter sweet. These monsters will never be able to hurt another one of our little girls, and they will finally pay for thier threats and emotional abuse..but I think we all know that innocent people will take the fall. God have your hand on those inncoent people. Give law enforcement discernment God. I especially pray for Pastor Bill Major..You know his heart God...

[miss_k (miss_k)]

Miss K isn't Neil but you guys are darn close!!!!

I would put my bets on somebody a little closer to home.

But I would say Neil knows and maybe isn't talking.

[miss_k (miss_k)]

Heather,

I would bet that things may change rather quickly after your post.

[dancer (dancer)]

No, No, No, No.

I am not miss K.

I really do know a lot of what is going on but not to this degree.

There are people who can tell a lot more than me.

Start at north of the border and then the word Wiscott.

I would rather talk about other things. I am in the middle of a fight where I may loose my children.

My fight isn't this clear or easy.

The FBI is involved and frankly if you don't know that than you haven't been reading other posts from other people.

I know very little from an agent. Agents do not talk that way.

I know what I know only second hand, and from a few emails about what is going on right now.

What I know about the past is a much different subject. I do know about things that went on in Baltimore. I have never lived in Deleware.

Neil

[miss_k (miss_k)]

Yogi,

The answer to your question is on this board.

I remember when a whole bunch of people stop working for MBCS. Do you remember that day?

Interesting you should bring up email because an email from one staff person to another was used against them. It turned out to be a lie and a threat to hurt somebody.

[dancer (dancer)]

Just a quick note.

I have not heard from anybody at GGWO in months.

Not a soul. I have called and left messages for:

Scott Robinosn
Mike Marr
Tom Schaller
and other people

I did hear from one friend at GGWO and he was actually nice.

None of the other calls were returned. I called Mike about 12 times in 3 weeks.

Neil

[dancer (dancer)]

BTW If anybody doesn't think I have a lawyer they are crazy. I have one here and one in MD.

I am trying to hire a large firm in Baltimore.

What is going on in other efforts is way beyond me.

Frankly it was my understanding a group had already started something.

I love to see a lot of people get together. But my efforts are closer to keeping my family together or should I say back together.

I am paying a ton of money in the hopes of seeing my kids. I am not going to say that much until after saturday about what I am doing legally.

I have made some real offers to settle things and my wife and children are more important than me trying to proove anything.

When I was in the hospital for days I only remember one person calling me. Since I have gone through the pain of loosing my kids I have spokne to Jeannie and Dave Drago about the sitaution.

I am hurt but my life needs to go on, even if nobody will stand with me. I still have to believe Jesus is there.

Since being sick I have earned some partial parylis (spell) and lost three weeks of work.

Do you think people call me up and encourage me?

The short answer is no. I am not trying to be bitter, just to the fact(s). My own world has my attention.

Neil

[timeless (timeless)]

Miss K,

Please, I'm not attacking you but I'm concerned. All this talk about GGWO coming to an end, better not be a joke! I'm serious! Too many lives are at stake here to be making us think that there may be some authoritative (FBI,media, ect) action taking place. I have a way through a family member about finding out if the FBI really are aware and if they are taking action concerning these matters. If I don't publicly see any action taking place soon I will make a phone call and inquire about these so-called developments.

If these statements are not true, please stop. People's lives have been seriously wounded and for someone to give false hope and say that this organization may come to an end would be one of the most unthoughtful attempts ever made.

I'm not attacking you. I just want to remind you of the severity of the matter. I do want this wickedness to stop. I am for the people that have been wounded. I would like to see this organization come to an end only because of what it stands for. But I also fear God and know He is quite capable of doing what He needs to do to bring things into the light. If God is going to use the FBI and other sources to bring these matters into the light, then I can only suggest that we are quiet before God and let Him work. I agree that if people truly have a story that is in need of legal action, then please get help. God did ordain a government. Let's just pray that our government will listen and sense truth when it hits them in their face.

If these statements are true, Miss K, than thank you for standing in the gap for these people that are hurting. I pray that God would continue to use you to help bring these issues into the light. Some people don't have a voice, and people like Jeannie and some others have been doing their best with God's help to bring comfort and healing to these hurting souls.

God is in control!

[minutus (minutus)]

Mulder and Scully are on the case and the X-tapes are in Baltimore ...

[miss_k (miss_k)]

Timeless.,

I think you can ask in Baltimore and in Deleware for an agent looking into GGWO. They are not going to repeat back things or say what they are doing. But I think you find that agents are on this.

Miss K

[sidethorn (sidethorn)]

AWESOME NEWS!!!! Hopefully this will it for the Baltimore beast known as GGWO! Keep up the good work Miss K! Please take a real hard work at the GGWO youth program, especially the Christian school and the youth activities running under Pastor Love. I've read far too many posts on Factnet about abused children and teens within church functions. The facts need to be sorted out by professionals. If any kids are still being hurt, they need to be rescued and those violating them put in jail. Anyone covering up for them needs to be busted also. While I didn't see any physical or sexual abuse myself when I used to be a youth worker there, the cultic environment I saw there was sickening. Kids being taught to never think for themselves or question anyone in authority over anything, scary!! If any authority figure wanted to abuse someone, it would be far too easy for them to get away with it. Anything you could do would be greatly appreciated.

sidethorn

(Message edited by sidethorn on April 20, 2005)

(Message edited by sidethorn on April 20, 2005)

[timeless (timeless)]

Miss K what you say sounds great but if these organizations are creating a case they certainly wouldn't want you posting it on a website. They would keep quite and work until there was enough solid proof to take an organization or many members of it down. It sounds to sckeptical, sorry.

[miss_k (miss_k)]

Well. Nothing I said can draw anybody out at GGWO into thinking something is about to happen based upon your logic.

They have to feel safe and secure. I would study history. Even when they knew they were being watched they acted badly. In fact even more so.

There is not much here I have said that can't be verified.

Go back to the CRI stuff and see if what I say ins't so.

[yogi (yogi)]

Landmark Day for FACTNet Greater Grace World Outreach, aka Greater Dis-grace World Outrage...

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[yogi (yogi)]

49,997...

[yogi (yogi)]

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[yogi (yogi)]

49,999...

[yogi (yogi)]

<font size="+2"><font color="ff0000">50,000!!!!</font></font>

[yogi (yogi)]

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/angry.gifhttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gifhttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/biggrin.gif<font size="+2"><font face="verdana,arial,helvetica">WAHOO!!!!!!</font></font>

[ralphwells (ralphwells)]

Yogi - go to the Queen's thread to se ewhat you have won.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/biggrin.gif

[timeless (timeless)]

yogi
your nuts! but I can tell you love to have fun

[isabella (isabella)]

<font size="+2">WOO WOO, YOGERINO! CONGRATULATIONS!</font>

[boss_martian (boss_martian)]

"The 50,000th post! Now, tell the folks at home what yogi's won!"

A year's supply of Rug Goo by Crazy Glue. Keep that expensive hair piece in place during high winds, sweaty rants, and sophisticated attacks of Satan! Show all the lovely and brain-dead ladies who's annointed! That's Rug Goo!

And once that pelt is firmly attached, you'll be "macking" in style when you show up in YOUR NEW CAR! That's right, nothing says "delegated authority" like an all black armor plated limo by Lexus! Kevlar and composite armor will protect you when angry congregants ignore the "geographical will of God" and show up in the parking lot to discuss the whereabouts of the money they tithed! Also effective against irate husbands and sophisticated attacks of Satan. That's Lexus!

Yogi, you never know when "divine design" will come calling! Whether the lucky couple has known each other for 30 days or 30 minutes, when God's Man says "it's love", you need to get married right now! What better place to tie the knot for eternity than at Friendly Freddy's 24 Hour Wedding Chapel and Gun Store! It's a shotgun wedding for sure at Friendly Freddy's! Be sure to ask, oops, actually NEVER ask, just do it! That's Friendly Freddy's!

And finally, when the drugs are getting to be too much, and the old vision ain't what it used to be, it can get hard to remember who you've marked! For those times, you'll need Sharpie Permanent Markers by Sanford! No matter how many Oxycontins you suck down, you'll be able to tell who's marked and who's not, even in the rain! Guaranteed not to smudge, run, or come off even in the face of Biblical evidence to the contrary! Mark 'em once and they STAY marked! That's Sharpie!

What a prize cavalcade that is! It's AWESOME!

[ralphwells (ralphwells)]

Go Boss! Go Boss! You da man! You da man! Go Boss! Go Boss! You da man! You da man! Go Boss! Go Boss! You da man! You da man! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

But that is a "cultist" prize, Yogi's prize is listed on teh Queen's thread.

(Message edited by ralphwells on April 20, 2005)

[boss_martian (boss_martian)]

Never look a gift toupee in the eye, Ralph!

[rjfernalld (rjfernalld)]

*LOL*

[ralphwells (ralphwells)]

Hey Boss - I have already told Kathleen that when my hair gets too thin to look decent I am going to start eating tootsie pops.

Oh yea, after I shave my head.

No toupee will ever curse, er, grace my head.

[boss_martian (boss_martian)]

Nor this one, either. I'm a big fan of the Tootsie Pop. If nothing else, my head is much more aerodynamic shaved!

Who loves ya, baby?

[ralphwells (ralphwells)]

God, my wife, my family (except for my GGC daughter-in-law), my pastor, my church family, and my friends on FactNet.

[ralphwells (ralphwells)]

Well gang, I am headed home to study for tonight's Bible study. We have been studying James verse by verse. Interestingly last week and this week we are on the sin of preferring one above another and giving undue position and honor.