Attention Affiliate Pastors and Parents with Kids in MBCS URGENT

[the_facts (the_facts)]

THe other night at a rap session done by Steve Andrulonis, the DEAN of students of Maryland Bible College stated to students that if your parents or the affiliate pastors that sent you to Bible school speaks to you about the situation in the bible colege or disagree with the honrable Pastor Schallar being the new pastor that they are wolves eating the sheep! What a cultic and unbiblical pre-marking of individuals. Proves that they don't agree with Sandy Cove and are already calling what is Good Evil AGAIN.
I hope if you have students in the bible college such as your daughter or son or if you have sent students to Maryland Bible College recently as affiliate Pastors they are calling you wolves and i would call them and question this type of Brainwashing and cultic language because how dare they misuse younge minds in this political game of attempting to take over the ministry. Steve Andrulonis home phone is 410-426-9115 and work phone is 410-426-2606 and home address is 2509 Hamilton Ave. Baltimore MD 21214 please call or write him and let him know we are taking a stand about this type of misbehavior by an ordained pastor currupting youthful minds, teaching them to turn on their own families or home affiliate pastors which is in direct contradiction to the Sandy Cove Covenant.
Let us hold them accountable fo once!

Please help us, ia m a female student that does not have a voice and thay are hurting us every day with this type of control and manipulation. Protect us please before they hurt us more.

[dave_drago (dave_drago)]

LEAVE NOW!!!

[arguendo (arguendo)]

"Please help us, ia m a female student that does not have a voice and thay are hurting us every day with this type of control and manipulation. Protect us please before they hurt us more."

You have feet don't you? Point them out the door and leave.

[jim_faucett (jim_faucett)]

Need bus fare? We'll take up a collection!!! Seriously, call me at 210-602-0213 or Dave Drago at 636-208-5538/or office 636-479-9961. We will do everything we can to help you get home or to a safe haven. You need to get out now!!! The affiliates are only standing by the agreement that ALL the participants signed on to last February. This is the same old song and dance of "ignore, mark and avoid." If you are an international student they may be causing you to violate your student visa stipulations--see Skip Wood's letter.

We would like to converse with as many Bible College students as possible.

Jim Faucett
Northeast School of the Bible
Class of 1975
South Berwick, ME

[yogi (yogi)]

Thanks for blowing the whistle loud and clear...
it's time to accept reality people and protect your children from such propaganda! This behavior is NOT church, church is a refuge of peace, not a soapbox for politics and rebel forces against one's parents! Kids can go to secular university in a communist country if they want this kind of brainwashing and frankly it would be better spent tuition!

[timeless (timeless)]

I saw Steve Andrulonis in the Library last night talking to a group of girls at the computers saying I am here to help you if you need any help really my door is always open. He was hugging them, putting his arm on their shoulders, it was a disgrace. No I don't think he was being nasty but it was so phony that it was sickening.

[jim_faucett (jim_faucett)]

In the past few minutes, a safe house has been established in the greater Baltimore area for any student of MBC&S who feels intimidated or manipulated. If you want out, call us.

Timeless, would you mind emailing me or Dave D. at:

somebonus@yahoo.com

daviddrago@sbcglobal.net

Thank you.

We have left messages for Mr. Androlonus.

(Message edited by Jim Faucett on April 20, 2005)

[jeannie (jeannie)]

Thank God! Guys if there is anything I can do to help, please call my cell..

Jeannie

[jim_faucett (jim_faucett)]

Jeannie, please email me.

[jeannie (jeannie)]

just did...

[the_facts (the_facts)]

Thank you so much dave i will contact you and tell others too if this gets any more crazy for me and my friends. i just do not want my name out their because the would be severe repercussions for me, my family, and for my home pastor i will just go home at the end of the semester and never look back.

Affiliate Pastors Now is you chance to help those who you have sent to bible college we need you and are really discouraged please call the dean of students Steve Andrulonis at MBSC and ask him why he is calling you wolves and how is my mom and dad a wolves. i am really scared they will find out who i am and they will really hurt me for telling you all the truth abot this rap. thank god their were so many people at the rap in ths snack bar. Because my pastor signed the document or any Pastor who signed the document from the affiliated pastors to uphold the Sandy Cove Covanent are targets and they are calling you wolves who want to eat the sheep.
Please call the Board of Diretors of the College
so this man can be corrected and publically apologizee for these statements because they are so off and he is just doing this because Pastor Schallar told him to do this because he wants to again put him on a high pedistal like he used to put Pastor Stevens and it just proves they are up to the old tricks of attacking affliates when they do not agree publically.

One girl who's family left the church, i watched her peers around her more disciples of TOM Schallar as they they convinced her that her family in not her family anymore and she even told tham you are not my family anymore the church is now my family. imagin what that family thinks about Christianity i just don't want another father or mother to hear this terrible testimony.


Please help us:
1. Louie Ruvido – Rockland Maine
2. Bob White – Gorham Maine
3. Bruce Brown – South Berwick, Maine
4. Wayne Goldworthy – South Berwick Maine
5. Mike Walker – Montreal, Canada
6. Tom Powell – Tacoma, Wa.
7. Jim Cornwall – Tacoma, Wa.
8. John Hartford – Tacoma, Wa.
9. Paul Wheelock – Tacoma, Wa.
10. Greg Gamelli – Tacoma, Wa
11. Dominick Rodriguez – Las Vegas, Nevada
12. Bill Reed – New Orleans
13. Timothy Kelley - St. Pete, Fla
14. Rob Howland – St. Pete, Fla.
15. Wayne Hogarth – Westfield, Ma.
16. Chet Marshall – Westfield, Ma.
17. Jack Byers, Westfield, Ma
18. Mark Morin, Rome NY
19. Chris Pruett – Rome NY
20. Bob Duncomb – Rome NY
21. Ric Hesse – Rome NY
22. Mike Philip – Rome NY
23. Kevin Lewis – Rome NY
24. Gary Smith – Chile
25. Mark Fellows – Chile
26. David Moore – Burnt Hills NY
27. Gerry Graziano – Seneca Falls NY
28. James A. Dawley III Elder –Seneca Falls NY
29. Jason A. Martin – Seneca Falls NY
30. Timothy P. Kirkey – Seneca Falls NY
31. Alexey Klimenco – Moscow, Russia
32. Anatoly Stephanos – Moscow
33. Nicolai Gunechev - Moscow
34. Pavel Lapin – Archangel Russia
35. Vasily Mikhailov – Kaliningrad Russia
36. Maxim Ivanov – Mogelev, Belarus
37. Dennis Ellis – St Petersburg, Russia
38. Victor M Popov – St Pete, Russia
39. Robert V. Forbatok – St. Pete, Russia
40. Vadim Yanushevsky – St. Pete, Russia
41. Alexei Bogdanov – St. Pete, Russia
42. Andrei G. Beznosikov – St. Pete, Russia
43. George G. Mashkov – St. Pete, Russia
44. Andrei V. Udartchev – St. Pete, Russia
45. Dominick DiPiazza – Uchard France
46. Louie DeMeo – California
47. Mariusz Zajac – Gdanks, Poland
48. Maciej Knechciak– Warsau, Poland
49. Maciej Wilkosz – Kracow, Poland
50. Tomasz Mikulowski – Kracow, Poland
51. Piotr Slomian – Kracow, Poland
52. Larry Cavicchi – Youngstown, Ohio
53. Craig Wade – Youngstown, Ohio
54. Bill Alderson – Cleveland, Ohio
55. Terry Fleck – Indianapolis, Indiana
56. Daniel Baker – Baltimore, Maryland
57. Robert Prokop – Vienna, Austria
58. Michael LaPlume – Vienna Austria
59. Matthew Stross – Vienna, Austria
60. Dragan Jevremovic – Vienna Austria
61. Brent Orman – Vienna, Austria
62. Saulius Karosas – Kliapeda, Lithuania
63. Bob Sampson – South Berwick Maine
64. Fred Gordon – St. Pete, Fla
65. Tom Zeitler - Baltimore
66. Phil Zeitler - Baltimore
67. Phil Mawaka – Hartford, Conn.
68. Doug DelGazio – Hartford/Baltimore
69. Jean Luc Megret – Uchard, France
70. Art Atkins – Baltimore
71. Roman Rudnev – Kazan, Russia
72. Dima Borodkoa – Minsk Belaruse
73. David Michaud – Hilversum, Holland
74. Russ Cheroske – Aberdeen, Maryland
75. Joe Cabral – Baltimore
76. David Lefler – St. Pete, Fla.
77. Allan Wayne – Seneca Falls, NY
78. Wess Simmons – Tacoma, WA.
79. Larry Slater – Putney, NY
80. Jim Chase – St. Pete, Fla
81. Dan Foster – Fort Lauderdale
82. G.Wesseh Bestman – Monrovia, Liberia
83. John Bilowith – Baltimore
84. Brian Williams – Helsinki, Finland

[jeannie (jeannie)]

Facts, Pastor Skip Wood would like to help you or any other students. His disaffiliation letter is on the forum. He is a friend also. He asked me to post his email address. Your email will be strictly confidential.

rwwood@ mayorgracia.org

[timeless (timeless)]

THE-FACTS,

I am so proud of you for taking a stand! ALWAYS remember that when you take a stand for TRUTH, God will be on your side. There are more for you and with you than there is against you. Greater is HE that is in you than he that is in the world. Never forget that! God's arms are around you.

In fact, I actually know of the girl you spoke about and I know her family as well. That is disgusting that someone would try and turn this person against her family. Her family loves her and they are sad that she is involved in this system that doesn't represent God. They pray for her that one day she will see the truth. I am hoping for the best.

My friend and I actually post under the same name,Timeless. She still attends MBCS. She knows exactly what goes on down there and what is said in the classes. I know first hand what is said too. I attended the Bible college for over 5 years, up until a year and a half ago. Please stand strong in what God says is truth. There are so many that are here for you. We may actually know each other Please if you would like to talk you can email me at italiangirl75@comcast.net - I will tell you who I am, but if you don't want to tell me your name, I understand. I would love to hear from you and help if I can. Hope to hear from you

[rjfernalld (rjfernalld)]

Jim

If you need to take up a collection to help with the safe house, Scott and I will be glad to contribute what we can...

[heather (heather)]

I can provide room, rides, someone to call for support.. I am a female and I damn well do have a voice and GG is sick of hearing it <smiles> Whatever is needed count my family in. BADNblond01@aol.com

[jim_faucett (jim_faucett)]

MRS Andrulonis just phoned. She wanted to know where I got her phone number. She wanted to know who I was. As soon as I told her and she identified me as a FN person she said, "Thank you Mr. Faucett" and hung up. Oh, well.

Facts, I am assuming that the end of the semester is at the end of May, is that correct?

Why would you want to stay for that long?

[locals (locals)]

His wife has always had a big attitude problem!!

[jim_kennedy (jim_kennedy)]

Another day in psycho GG world...

In their twisted mind it's the devil attacking the church. How sick are these people? Their brothers in Christ, the affiliate pastors, friends through thick and thin try to give them a nudge, and now its a conspiracy.

I can almost hear it now..."They went out from us, because they were not of us..." This is a cult folks, run by deceived men who are deceivers. Time to get out.

I am enjoying the fact that the true colors of the people who run GG and profit from it are now on full display. This is who these people have always been. Keep bailing water fella's...Keep shouting to the world by your behavior how out there you really are.

[kirk (kirk)]

Hey folks, Long time no write...
Trying to forget that place, but this drags me back.

I would venture a guess that this student is a foreign student. That would be the major reason that she can't just walk out. Many F. Students barely have enough money to get here and try to raise the money for the return ticket while in school. That is why they are trapped. Really trapped if the money comes from their home church, and their home pastor is a CHS/Schaller asskisser!!
Visa issues are also a problem if not attending school.

Students if you have visa questions please email and i will help as much as i can, or email hodouen.

jeannie/Steve call if you need help.

Ronaldkirkwood@comcast.net

[hodeuon (hodeuon)]

Not an expert but willing to try to help.

Hodeuon
hodeuon at yahoo dot com

(Message edited by hodeuon on June 23, 2005)

[jeannie (jeannie)]

I will be e'ing for your lost phone number. I have talking for days (ask my friends) about my need to talk to you! Jeannie B

[yogi (yogi)]

Does anyone know if Rita Harje from Rome New York is still going to GGWO Baltimore? I hope not!

[search4thetruthnow (search4thetruthnow)]

I believe she may be. I may have heard some news about her today, but have only a first name to go by. The news is not encouraging. I am praying for her!

[j_graz (j_graz)]

I have reposted this FN message due the recent developements at MBC&amp;S.

These 'teachers' attacking the affiliates is nothing new. This has happened several times in the past few months.

Friends,

I have been hesitating about posting on this forum for several reasons.
The first is that it has been my desire to leave the door open for response to letters and miscellaneous communications that have taken place between myself and others. Many of us have received no response at all to our letters. Not even a phone call. That does not offend me, that saddens me.
I have done my best to operate in the spirit and letter of Matt 18:15-17. I am sure there are many who are reading these post who believe that this forum violates scripture and that bringing these issues out in public is not scriptural. I understand somebody feeling that way. It is true only when other means have not been exhausted; they have.
There are numerous examples of a public rebuke in the Bible. The teaching used to defend against this includes Noah’s son exposing his dad’s failure and being cursed. However, these sins are public, they’ve been committed publicly, they’ve been defended publicly and the leadership has publicly identified the affiliates who have gone privately.... Publicly as ‘evil’. Did you follow that? There have also been numerous witnesses brought to the elders in accordance with 1 Timothy 5:19. Yes, it’s ok to receive an accusation against an elder as long as there are witnesses and there have been bunches!

One of the objections being raised is Pastor’s age.
Some are being told that we are just plain unkind for addressing the issues that involve him at this stage in his life. The problem with that kind of thinking is that those who really care about him and love him, want to see this mess cleaned up before the curtain closes. We have not attacked him, we’ve asked questions and would have been satisfied with the answers come from the elders of the Church!

The goal is and all along has been reconciliation. Scores of pastors and friends have gone one on one to the leaders to try to get answers and resolve the current conflicts in Baltimore.
Many times, reconciliation hinges on the doors of repentance – one party or both may need to exercise the necessary humility to deal with the root issues at hand. This includes everyone!
In addition and on the other hand, Gal 6:1 has been a glaring warning that those who wish to correct others must be extremely cautious because they may enter into the same or a similar sin as those they are trying to help or correct. I have been very fearful of this. I have also been a witness of this on both sides of this dispute.

Matt 18:17 contains a small phrase that has continued to haunt me...”tell it to the church”. When it gets to the point that there is no response and an unavailability to even discuss issues, the next step is this.

I am also concerned for those missionaries who are reading these posts. I am afraid that they may feel their support system is crumbling. To be overseas and not be able to personally participate in problem solving must be very difficult. Many of you (dear missionaries) have wonderful healthy works in your perspective locations, and we are all proud of you!
The same is true for those affiliates stateside that are reading along as well.
Our intention is not to tear apart your home church. Our desire is for their blessing and benefit. We must also cover and guard our own churches. Please consider our predicament as well.

I am especially concerned with the MBC&amp;S Bible college students who I know first hand are not hearing both sides of the story, or stories. Certain teachers are telling them in classrooms that the affiliates are deceived. Some students are calling affiliate churches and warning them that their own sending pastors are “off’”.
You are students of the Bible and need to check things out for yourselves. It is not evil to ask questions, it is evil to forbid others from asking questions or to imply that they are wrong for doing so! Acts 17:11

The term evil report is used in Numbers to describe the testimony of the ten spies, neutralizing the faith of the nation of Israel just before entering the Promised Land. Yes, there were giants in the land, but it was considered evil because it was communication that lacked obedience to God and faith in His promises. It has nothing to do with avoiding matters of polity. It has nothing to do with questioning leadership when there are apparent contradictions. This interpretation is basically a ‘don’t ask us to be accountable to you or anyone else” fabrication.

I think it is important to post only the facts. No speculations or attacks against motives, just the facts.

Fact #1. For several years, individuals have been ‘marked’ for leaving the church. The leadership has publicly identified them and maligned them. This is not a mystery, it is a doctrine that has been taught openly! “...this thing was not done in a corner”. (Acts 26:26 with my apologies to Paul). Not only by things said but by what was not said. “How is so-and-so doing?” “Well, ...you know, his loyalty is, well...” Seeds of dishonest suspicion sown in small groups.

Those maligned were never given the opportunity to communicate their reasons for leaving or departing. If anyone asked why they left, they were told the TBS/GGWO side of the story. This is absolutely wrong. If you communicated amicably with those who left or asked them any questions you were marked along with them. ‘The Doctrine of Conspiracy’ deals with what happens when others tell their side without the leaderships! It has to work both ways.

In addition, many men who continue to slander and rail the affiliates are those who were at and signed the Sandy Cove Declaration.

Here’s a suggestion; next time someone is ‘marked’ or named or whatever it’s called now in your presence, pull out the Sandy Cove declaration, read it and see if they signed it. I would also go to the Tacoma site, and retrieve the downloads available. E-mail me, I will gladly send you any docs from the affiliates that have been made public due to the spin about them that is an attempt to keep people in an information void.

Every member of our churches should have access to those documents. They describe what our concerns were and are, doctrinally speaking.

Fact #2 One of the staple books used in our ministry regarding the relationship of the pastor to the church was Watchmen Nee’s book called “Spiritual Authority”. An immensely imbalanced view of the office of the pastor being unquestionable. This book was used to promote the teaching that one must follow the leadership even if they are in sin or wrong.
Here are some quotes from the book:
"Authority being the most central thing in the whole Bible, reviling against it constitutes the gravest sin. Our mouth should not talk inadvertently. As soon as we meet God our mouth will be under restraint; we will not dare rail at authorities" (SA, p.91).

Certainly one of the most poignant statements of the book is found on page 71:
If God dares to entrust His authority to man, then we can dare to obey. Whether the one in authority is right or wrong does not concern us. The obedient one needs only to obey. The Lord will not hold us responsible for any mistaken obedience, rather He will hold the delegated authority responsible for his erroneous act.
These quotes really show where this whole line of thinking comes from.

Fact #3 Anyone who asks the elders of the church how long, how often, what manner and in what spirit the affiliates came to address the issues should be hearing this:
They came alone, they came together in twos. They came to the Grace Hour Banquet, they came at Convention. They wrote letters, they made phone calls for two years. They came concerned and often times, with tears, with much patience and honor. We've spent hundreds of dollars and hours traveling looking for an answer.

For TWO years this has been going on! This has not been a whimsical departure of a few afilliates who don’t want the Cross. We have serious issues with the leadership, including Pastor Stevens that he refuses to answer. There are serious doctrinal concerns that were addressed at Sandy Cove that are now being pushed aside.

Amos 5:13 was quoted repeatedly at Convention ‘04 to avoid answering questions. “Therefore the prudent shall keep silent in that time; for it is an evil time”. I suggest reading verses 10-15!

10 They hate him that rebuketh in the gate, and they abhor him that speaketh uprightly.
11 Forasmuch therefore as your treading is upon the poor, and ye take from him burdens of wheat: ye have built houses of hewn stone, but ye shall not dwell in them; ye have planted pleasant vineyards, but ye shall not drink wine of them.
12 For I know your manifold transgressions and your mighty sins: they afflict the just, they take a bribe, and they turn aside the poor in the gate from their right.
13 Therefore the prudent shall keep silence in that time; for it is an evil time.
14 Seek good, and not evil, that ye may live: and so the LORD, the God of hosts, shall be with you, as ye have spoken.
15 Hate the evil, and love the good, and establish judgment in the gate: it may be that the LORD God of hosts will be gracious unto the remnant of Joseph.

The real issue is NOT that anyone wants to control who is the pastor of the church in Baltimore. They are a local, autonomous church that is entitled to run its own affairs. And as long as those affairs are handled legally, morally and ethically their brothers and sisters will sit by quietly and allow them to do so. But we share their name.
GGCF in Seneca Falls, has been profoundly affected by the behavior of the leadership in Baltimore. It is NOT just a local issue. They have made it international.

The issue is that concerns have been brought to the leadership of the church and those who’ve brought them have been “marked” and/or ignored. The leaders refuse to deal with the sins being brought to their attention. THAT is the issue.

I continue to plead with the current leadership for repentance. I am tempted to settle for dialogue! Yet the deafening silence continues.

Fact #4 Hundreds of solid, serving, long-time veterans and fellow believers have left the church. Yet, the leadership says there is revival in Baltimore. This is a cutting-edge revival. For the first time in church history, it is revival to hurt, slander and distance church members and divide families.

What is being said at raps? “The tares are leaving.” No, those that do not reflect a spirit of 2 Cor 5:18 (a ministry of reconciliation) or posses the litmus and proof of real faith – 1 Jn 3:14 (you know you’ve passed from death to life because you love the brethren), are tares.
Perhaps the ‘tares’ are staying.

My intent is to avoid deepening the divide by building a bridge. Just not a monkey bridge.

I will let these thoughts settle and invite any comments.
Please do not e-mail any congratulatory comments. I am ashamed of myself for allowing these things to go on for so long.

E-mail me if you disagree.
I will not disclose who e-mails me to this forum.

Mawagaman@yahoo.com

Resting in Him,

Pastor Gerald Graziano
Seneca Falls, NY

[ericlaw (ericlaw)]

A good friend of mine called Steve Andrulonis and asked him about the rap. He flat out denied saying anything like that. He actually blamed it on Pr. Scibelli.
It is interesting, he told her in the conversation that he really had no idea what SC was about. Also he insinuated that Pr. Schaller was the rightful pastor and that Pr. Stenger wasn't pushed out of the running. He stated that most people felt Pr. Schaller had been pastoring balt from some time (what????) So in most people's mind he was the natural choice. He was suprised to hear that my friend didn't feel that way.

Isn't it kind of odd that a pastor on staff doesn't know what happened at SC.

He was also shocked to find out they had obtained the SC documents as well as the affiliate letter on line. As soon as they said FN he immediately had to go.

That must be part of the script. If they are FNetters don't waste anymore time trying to deceive them, they already know what we're trying to hide.

[ski (ski)]

It really looks like things getting hot in Baltimore now.
I hope that those students, who were told that their home churches are off, have a chance to contact their home base for help. I am just thinking that simply leaving the college may mean to leave the church since some of the pastors may still be loyal to Baltimore even they signed SC.
It's very hard to return nowhere. The one should be aware what problems will be faced in case of immediate departure from the college. I don't think there will be any visa problems for internatioanl students to leave the college and USA. The problems could be money for the trip and the local church/pastor attitude to that.

It is great that many of the factnet posters are ready to help. That's real love.

Sergei

[yogi (yogi)]

<font size="-2"> I don't think there will be any visa problems for international students to leave the college and USA. The problems could be money for the trip and the local church/pastor attitude to that.
</font> These foreign students don't want to return to their home countries. If they can marry or run away to another location so they won't be deported they will do it. For example, Paivi Krama-Jannsen, Laura Liu-Soprano, the couple from Bakku who left Baltimore after convention.
Frankly, can't say as I blame these people at all; after all, what do they have waiting for them...economic depression, extreme poverty and political corruption at "home."

yogi

PS. At LEAST they have the "message" of Pastah! *PU*

[arguendo (arguendo)]

Help me here. I thought that student could not come here unless they had a return ticket?

[jeannie (jeannie)]

The following letter was sent to Steve Andrulonis and CC'd to Pastor Hadley from Pastor Skip Wood in Argentina.

P.Skip and several other affiliate pastors are concerned about the MBCS students. If any student reading this board would like his assistance or just would like to speak to a pastor about their concerns can contact me and I will put you in touch with him. Jeannieree44@aol.com

Pastor Skip's letter:

I will be brief and to the point. Your tirades against parents and home pastors of students at MBCS need to stop. If I hear another report of you or any other member of the MBCS staff publicly or privately in any way influencing any foreign student from returning to his home country for any reason, I will summarily report you personally and MBCS to the IMF as encouraging students to violate the stipulations of their visas. I would expect that the safe thing to do and the thing that would demonstrate some degree of character and integrity would be to publicly in front of the entire student body repent and apologize for your unguarded statements.

: I repeat, the next time I hear of any disparaging statements made publicly or privately in the presence of MBCS foreign students, I will not contact you first but will go directly to the authorities naming both you and the school.

I'm tired of the bull s**t you guys are shoveling in the name of education. If you don't like my language, you can substitute the KJV "dung." It all smells the same.

Sincerely and dogmatically,
RW Wood

[jim_faucett (jim_faucett)]

A dung by any other name...

[kirk (kirk)]

Arguendo,
You are correct about the return ticket being the law, but there are many ways around that.
Especially if you are coming here from an affiliate foreign ministry. They have ways around everything. And the stories concerning the hungarian students would shock you. TS didn't just try to bend the rules, he had a total disregard for them...
Kirk

[j_graz (j_graz)]

"What is being said at raps? “The tares are leaving.” No, those that do not reflect a spirit of 2 Cor 5:18 (a ministry of reconciliation) or posses the litmus and proof of real faith – 1 Jn 3:14 (you know you’ve passed from death to life because you love the brethren), are tares.

Perhaps the ‘tares’ are staying. "



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[dave_drago (dave_drago)]

"So in most people's mind he was the natural choice."

Therein lies the problem...'natural men' doing what comes naturally...making NATURAL CHOICES, such as:
lusting, coveting, lying, slandering, maligning, stealing, adulterating, fornicating, backstabbing, backslapping, self-congratulating, Carl imitating, and perpetrating...There is no Spirit of Christ in any of it. Anathema.

[itsahokes (itsahokes)]

Who is "Pastor" Hadley? John? Patty's brother? I'm sitting here with a cup of tea and dipping graham crackers, a very nice thing to do - first did this at the Hadley's house in MA with Patty.

[ncarrick (ncarrick)]

Dave Drago call me!

You may not believe what I am going to tell you but I fax you the documents!

Neil

[jeannie (jeannie)]

Itsa, Yes, It is Patty's brother John. He is president of the bible college.

[isabella (isabella)]

Neil,

Glad you're still here.

Isabella

[isabella (isabella)]

WELCOME BACK "NO NOT ONE.. NO-NO TONE"..BRIAN BOWMAN!

So glad you've been keeping up and glad to hear from you.

Isabella

[ariel (ariel)]

No Not One,

Along with a few others I was disappointed when you signed off in January. At the same time I wanted to respect your decision to do so, and not beg you to come back, as you articulated your reasons for stepping aside clearly in that last post. With all that, let me say
I too am glad your'e
back on line here.

[arguendo (arguendo)]

what, what, what! is with this board tonight?

[jeannie (jeannie)]

They have an "A,B,C" thing going on. What's up with that???

[yogi (yogi)]

Whatever it is it's yucky!

ATTENTION...

http://www.cockatrice-eggs.blogspot.com

Has been taken out of mothballs temporarily,in honor of the many affiliate pastors who are taking a stand for the truth .

yogi

[ariel (ariel)]

This new attempt at alphabetizing the threads is
more like 'Hooked on Phonics' on steroids...

[dave_drago (dave_drago)]

who moved my cheese?

[jeannie (jeannie)]

We could all write the "Ghost of the Machine" and protest, though they have been very gracious as GGWO has practically taken over their website. Maybe we could protest nicely?

[arguendo (arguendo)]

I'm gonna sue their asses for intentional infliction of emotional distress.

(yeah, you know this one is gonna get deleted)

[dave_drago (dave_drago)]

arguendo,
you crack me up!