Somebody Took Notes

[jim_faucett (jim_faucett)]

Below are some quotes by Tommyboy (somebody took notes at some of his meetings):

"<font color="0000ff">While the context is of love and fellowship, there's a lot of room in the topic that must be explored for the "enemies" who go against God's doctrine.

We must try not to reject them despite the fact that they're off, they are treasonous are cold

There are those who are confused, wounded and hurting in our midst.... it's a shame that they refuse to admit how badly they need our rap sessions

We must learn to live above and beyond them and be very careful how we treat certain ones, or they'll cry and wine about it

It's to bad that they can't realize that their spirit is like Eudodius and Cynthicae (Phil. 4:2) "Cool it or you'll be be rebuked by the Apostle"

No one need feel rejected by us, if they would just get with the great call and mission I would compliment them

I won't be critical and will probably receive you if you will not be of the scatterer

Think how embarrassed Eudodius and Cynthicae must have felt when they heard their names being mentioned in Paul's epistle. Hopefully people here will come to us and seek forgiveness before their names are mentioned from the pulpit!!!!!

Why are people jealous of us. Don't they realize this is as cruel as the grave. Why be of an envious spirit. Don't they realize that envy is the rottenness of the bones. Don't they realize that God will have vengeance. It is His.

Don't they realize that while all are equally blessed (Eph. 1:3) there is not otherwise equality in the body. Some of us will be honored above and beyond them. That's just the way it is. (I Cor. 12:26)

God has conditions for being blessed.... if you don't attain to GOd's plan, you'll miss out.

Israel tried to tell God certain conditions or they wouldn't go with Moses... how foolish! You can't question God's authority. God has a plan to lead you out and don't ask any questions like the rebellious Kora. He had an intellectual reasoning and was killed by God for it. Two hundred princes (those in authority in the camp) also perished for their part in going with the rebellious Kora!!!!

You are not allowed to question someone who is fruitful....

Out of such a huge group only two, Joshua and Caleb, were favored by God for going God's way... After the guns were fired and the smoke cleared it was ONLY them who got over to the promised land... Sorry for those who don't like this story... I didn't write the Bible. THis is God's plan... sorry for those who would prefer the "democratic" process... you better embrace the cross and reject personal preferences.... God doesn't need your carnality in his body...</font>"

[jack_leonard (jack_leonard)]

Well, it looks like Tom got his wish: a double portion of the spirit of Carl Stevens.

[magnolia (magnolia)]

Jim, it would be great if you can tell FN-readers where and when these notes were taken and if the person listening to the rap was able to get it down for for word.

I'm not questioning your source's honesty.
Just saying that personally i cant receive the words as the exact words of TS until i get some more facts about the situation where the notes were taken.

- I'm someone in Finland who used to respect TS very much and left this particular ministry for other reasons not because of him.
To me and other Finns who know him he has always represented the good side of gg (= he lives as he preaches, not after luxury but always with ordinary people even in a very modest environment, cheering up others, speaking the gospel of Jesus Christ in a balanced and joyful way in various countries worldwide.)

Please give some background to the notes you have posted.

[isabella (isabella)]

That's fantastic!

Whether those notes are old or new, it shows the real spirit of Tommy Boy.

What was it he said recently about the affiliates and how much they are loved and need a little time and understanding!!!??

Amazing

[isabella (isabella)]

Magnolia,

Our posts were written simultaneously.

I was not responding to you.

However your post speaks volumes about Tommy Boy's ability to deceive.

Thank God you're out.

Isabella

[bob_brinton (bob_brinton)]

Ach! I could hear his voice as I tried to read. Reading that is like vomiting in the morning and having it heated up for a nice luncheon stew. Just in case any of you were thinking of going back; that's what it tastes like.

[isabella (isabella)]

Here's what Daved posted on another thread:

In his message on Sunday morning, April 24,2005 Pastor Schaller mentioned the subject of affiliation:


We sense it and feel it in the authority of the Holy Spirit,
that these are amazing days here in Baltimore.

And by the way I would like to have,
as we said earlier,
that we will have open forum meetings.

And we are organizing our next one,
and those will be a lot of fun and useful and very informative.

And, one theme that I would like to really address very soon
is the subject of affiliation….
because as you know,
perhaps you have heard,
that some of our affiliated ministries are changing their names,
or making readjustments regarding their relationship with us,
and with the ministry in general.

And so in some detail we can address that,
but <u>just for now</u> <font color="ff0000">(later, at the RAP, I'll tell you what I really think)</font> very briefly I would like to encourage you to know
that these people are in our eyes and in our minds are really our brothers and our sisters,
and they are to be respected as local assemblies.

We are praying for them,
they love us, we love them,
and there is no need for us to live in any strife,
to sow any discord,
but to love them, and to pray for them,
because this is a difficult time for our affiliated pastors in some parts of the world,
particularly here in the United States, it seems.

(Underline and Red added by Isabella)

Oh Tommy Boy...you are stepping all over yourself.

[magnolia (magnolia)]

Thanks Isabella.
Yes, i'm thinking about the Finns. Many of them have remained my close friends, and i know they all love Tom Schaller very much.

For their sakes it would be great to get more background for the notes, to authenticate them. Because those excerpts clearly show the subtle thinking patterns we were all taught over the years such as marking.

Doris, great! Hope someone can confirm the date and place?

[lee (lee)]

whew, deja vu.......what a good reminder of why it was so important to repudiate all the ungodly thinking that I took so willingly into my head.

Bob Brinton, as usual, you have an really cool, off beat, but perfect description of this!

I feel like spitting.

[nonotone (nonotone)]

... I feel like puking.

[jim_kennedy (jim_kennedy)]

No, it's not a cult...I feel like throwing up.

[heather (heather)]

I think that should be made into a post card and mailed to those still in..I'll buy the stamps.

Doris, if you haven't done it already, I'm going to share that on the Delaware thread so the the bleeping bleephole puppets can read it when they print factnet out for Jeffro.

[dave_drago (dave_drago)]

1. Tommy Boy has learned well at the feet of his spiritual daddy. What a cheeseweed.

2. The real tragedy is that he is leading the sheep through the wilderness and calling it revival he has a Jeremiah 17.9-10 heart...

3. The truth is that many of us departed years ago across Jordan's stormy banks and have inherited our TRUE POSSESSION IN CHRIST AS PROPHETS, PRIESTS AND KINGS.

4. And, I thank God that scores are leaving now and crossing over the Jordan into the Promised Land.

5. Oh yeah, Tommy Boy, you sicken me.

6. Magnolia, I hear you; however, the source is the 30 years of poisoned fruit Tommy boy has been fed by his spiritual daddy, Carl The Charlatan, The Bishop of Baltimore at the tree of knowledge.

For Him,
Dave

[sidethorn (sidethorn)]

Jim, this is one of the most disgusting examples of twisting Scriptures to manipulate people that I have ever read. Tommyboy doesn't know crap about what he's talking about just like Carl Stevens never did. Thanks for sharing the quotes. The more people that know what Tommy is full of ( #%@$&amp;+@# ) the better!!

[sidethorn (sidethorn)]

Of course if Tommyboy thinks I would ever come to him and repent to him and GGWO for blasting it as the dangerous cult as it is and for disagreeing with the cultic teachings, he is sadly mistaken. It would be easier for hell itself to freeze over than to get me to go back to GGWO and submit my life to it.

(Message edited by sidethorn on April 27, 2005)

[jim_faucett (jim_faucett)]

<font color="0000ff">"You're not allowed to question someone who is fruitful..."</font>

I had a very brief phone call with Schaller a few months ago, and as I mentioned--it was like pulling teeth. He very obviously didn't want to talk to me--I being long a 'marked' enemy of the ministry. He is the only person I have ever 'outed' that I've spoken to in GG. When I brought up the many abuses and bad behavior of GG he countered with all the churches that were being planted and all the souls that were being saved.

The Mormons and other cults start 'churches' as well. People are 'converted' into all sorts of groups and whacky religions everyday. Besides this, to belabor a point made elsewhere--God's word is his own possession, he will accomplish what he chooses to do with it. The conversions are the work of God if they are real conversions at all.

Real fruit:
Galatians 5:22-23 (ESV)
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, [23] gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

By this fruit you shall know them.

[minutus (minutus)]

That is the perfect answer to such tripe, Jim. Just say "Well the Mormons send out a higher number of missionaries and plant far more churches than you." I guess they must REALLY be blessed. How come you are backsliding?" It is a twisted Pharasaism to believe the spiritual health of a group can be measured by their activity.

[jim_faucett (jim_faucett)]

George Whitefield used to tell a story that I paraphrase here:

"While visiting a certain town I was approached by a very drunk man who proceeded to inform me, 'Oh Mr. Whitefield--You converted me!' to which I replied, 'Sir, it must have been me--had it been the Savior he would have done a much better work!"

[jim_faucett (jim_faucett)]

This is from the Marlborough GG church letter to the new Pope Tommyboy Kingdingaling on another thread:

<font color="0000ff">Please know that our hearts are with you and we love and support you in this new step of faith.
We look forward to serving Jesus Christ along with you and the precious saints in Baltimore. There is so much to look forward to and to be excited about: on-going missions into all the world, Convention at homebase, the Grace Hour, seminars, graduations, outreaches, youth camps, women’s’ seminars, etc.!</font>

No fruit--just fruitcake (http://www.StupidVideos.com/?VideoID=301).

(Message edited by Jim Faucett on April 27, 2005)

[shat_happens (shat_happens)]

See the problem is NOT that people are going against Gods doctrines, but rather going against a fruity bastard with an orange hairpiece! Greater Grace is not the end all be all of God’s word! I can understand their line about being careful about whom you take in and come under, but to suggest that they are the only true way to God is sick!

And I love how it’s persecution when everyone leaves, like all the hundreds and hundreds of people who left throughout the years were evil…yes I’m sure many were and did try to attack them and slander them and were off, but the numbers are just exceeding those of simply disgruntled Ex-members.

For me, I could never understand how people could buy into Stevens. I always saw him…well as a fruity bastard, I don’t mean that in a totally “attacking� way, just more along the lines of him being overly odd, and lets face facts, he’s an odd dude!

(Message edited by Shat_happens on April 27, 2005)

[jim_kennedy (jim_kennedy)]

You're all just jealous, you bunch of crybaby whiners! Don't you realize that God will have vengence! Don't you know that GG will be honored above and beyond you?! You must go to them and seek forgiveness...Only then will you attain to God's plan! Don't ask any questions like the rebellious Kora...

I'm glad you told them you didn't write the Bible Tom, otherwise they might have thought you did. But you forgot to mention that you're REWRITING it...You also forgot to mention that GG is the one who's done the scattering, just take a look at all those letters from the affiliates. The ones you haven't bothered to answer.

I can't wait to see the "Promised Land" you're leading them into. Is it the one with no affiliate churches, diminished attendance, a cancelled radio program and an empty Bible College? The Moses/Joshua parallel didn't slip by me like the zombies who attend the raps. Is Shibelli Caleb?

You're a psycho Tom, certifiable. You need a whole team of psychiatrists. Just like your mentor.

still questioning your authority,

Jim

(Message edited by jim kennedy on April 27, 2005)

[sidethorn (sidethorn)]

Yep, Stevens is odd and a whole lot more. He has the heart of a true cult leader. He invented his own truth and reality. Instead of submitting to the Word, he twists the Word to what he thinks It says. Then he claims to be the one true anointed one and everyone else who won't agree with him is an evil persecutor. That's one of the biggest warning signs of a cult I can think of. God uses all truly born again people and churches for His purposes. Nobody has a monopoly on truth. Anyone who thinks they have more truth than other believers is the one that is "off". Funny how Stevens and Schaller think others are "off" when they are the ones who are really "off". People leave them because they want the real truth and would rather follow God than arrogant men who don't know squat about Scripture. Amazing how they label that as "persecution". I guess they can look forward to more "persecution" in the future as more people see the true light and leave. With their new Pope Tommy Shallow things are as sick as ever. Let the exodus continue and may all who leave find true peace, healing, and restoration for their lives.

[sidethorn (sidethorn)]

Tommy Shallow
How you could spend all those years kissing up to a charlatan like Carl Stevens is disgusting. How you could even think of continuing his legacy of arrogance, delegated authority, hypocricy, Phariseeism, lying, slander, pitting people against one another for power, and false teaching is even more disgusting. You carry no credability with me whatsoever just like Carl. You and Carl are a bunch of backstabbing liars who twist the Word of God to suit you own aims. You insist that everyone on this planet follow you when they should be following God. Who do you think you are Tommyboy??? You are no better than anyone else just like Carl isn't any better than anyone else. You don't have any special link to God that makes you perfect. I am not sorry for disagreeing with GGWO and its false teaching. You say I could repent of that and you might recieve me. I DON'T BELIEVE A WORD OF THAT AND I WILL NEVER SUBMIT TO YOUR DISGUSTING FALSE TEACHING. Your legacy and Carl's shows that you are deceptive and cannot be trusted. I do not trust people who lie, rewrite Scripture, use and abuse people. I will not have any part of your legacy and I will never come back to you.

Questioning your authority and glad to be free of it.

SIDETHORN

[anova (anova)]

Nonotone and Jim Kennedy,


I feel like PROJECTILE vomitting.


Anovus

[rjfernalld (rjfernalld)]

DITTO

[lee (lee)]

It's bizarro world........no other explanation suffices!

[boss_martian (boss_martian)]

THIS is the leader that's going to reform this group?

I just made a pavement pizza.

[cape_cod (cape_cod)]

Tom says, - "God doesn't need your carnality in his body..."

Tom, God also doesn't need your carnal words in His Kingdom.

[yogi (yogi)]

CORRUPTION AND IMPUNITY: THE CIRCLE OF THE COMPLICITY

The sociopathic conduct of Carl H. Stevens, Jr. and now his predecessor, Thomas Schaller, are typical of ministers who “pastor”
abusive cults or sects. Historically CHS has employed classic explicators for economic, sexual and personal recognition; counting on the protection of his twisted religious doctrines and complacent congregants. Tom Schaller has chosen to employ the same tactics, for example….

1.First these “leaders” have taken command of the organization on the basis of their alleged religious authority and superior position within the Body of Christ universal. To propagate this system members are encouraged to “soul win”
when in actuality they are employing the use of ‘love bombs’ to draw others into the subtle trap of this cult. Once bonds of confidence are
instilled; the particularly vulnerable, may then be used for the cults bidding. These people typically are innocent and naive, such as, the young, elderly, women, those in a state of emotional vulnerability, for one reason
or another or massage a man's sincere desire to serve God or not so noble lust for recognition and power by making him a "pastor" in the GGWO system.

2.Immediately after personal confidence in the leadership is gained, based upon faith or superstition, congregants are encouraged to live with a sense of subordination of this leadership. Receiving subtle inferences from the pulpit that critical thinking skills are “unspiritual”,“rebellious” and “ungodly”; it is then that the operation of economic or sexual cruel exploitations may be accomplished, both spheres may operate simultaneously. Modus operandi may not always be so dramatic and ruthless for it is often subtle.

3.The complicities of the close friends of the pastors who abuse play a crucial part in the implementation and perpetuation of the abusive cultic system. Generally, passive complicities on the part of assistants or colleagues of the ministers who realize what is happening choose to keep silent and do nothing to correct the matter. This type of complicity is frequent. Thank God affiliate ministries of GGWO are now taking a stand and NOT permitting this to happen anymore.However, the current elders of GGWO have chosen to remain silent in the midst of the truth coming out. What might be
the reasons for this silence?

A. Simple and worldly cowardice.

B.Lack of empathy towards the human beings who suffer by the hands of this system - ironic since they are supposed to embrace Christian values and justice as fundamental principles guiding their lives and call.

C.Fanaticism by the institution, sect or church; its importance is to silence and justify the most deplorable vileness in the name of "protecting the image or reputation" of the organization or its leaders. For example, the Lang case and use of a half million dollars to shut up an angry husband or CHS’s drug abusive.

D.Complicity in illicit previous acts. Frequently, pastors, assistants and believers are silent because they themselves have participated in some immoral conduct. When their superior in the hierarchy is informed of this
behavior they may be ‘blackmailed’ by the leadership to conform or be publicly exposed.
"If you say what I am doing, I say what you did". Sometimes it is an unwritten rule in the style of the mafiosa gangs, he who exposes the leaders gains the wrath of the institution.

E. Another common cause of passive complicity - people choosing to break the silence and denounce the organization usually do not obtain prizes of popularity with the religious group. Their colleagues often label them as treasonous and the sect or religious organization usually presses them into leaving the work of the ministry or just plain run them off through marking, shunning. ie; Ed Lutz, Steve Brynne, The Leonards, etc. etc. etc…Once denounced they are perpetually harassed through slander judicially, before, during and/or after exposing alleged crimes or irregularities from the ‘group think’ PASTOR WORSHIP!

F. Also, the professional inconvenience of losing use of the ‘company perks’ or the danger of having to find another vocation often prevails on the ethics of these men of “god” (Carl H. Stevens) Their Christian commitment is to protect CHS as vulnerable and to fortify the culture of impunity within GGWO. These egoistic behaviors have created an atmosphere of abuse within GGWO and MBC&amp;S. The elders of GGWO are accomplices operating in silence and indifference of their membership’s suffering. Evidently, professional pragmatics, the inconvenience of losing use and/or danger of losing their ministerial vocation, has prevailed on the ethics and Christian commitment to protect the vulnerable who have been entrusted to their care. Specifically, Tom Schaller has chosen to fortify the culture of impunity that CHS has instilled within him as exemplified in his actions to date, whatever the reason it is unacceptable!!!

yogi

[herroyalhighness (herroyalhighness)]

The <font color="aa00aa">Immaculate Deception</font>!!!

[sidethorn (sidethorn)]

Funny how so many things that shallow "man" Tommyboy Shallow accuses others of doing he does himself!

[cape_cod (cape_cod)]

Tom says, - " Sorry for those who don't like this story... I didn't write the Bible."

Thank you for clarifying this for ALL of us Tom. NOT only did you NOT write the Bible, you misinterpret and misrepresent it. Now, that's a sin that I wish to have NO part of.
Truly, pharisaical spirits are still alive and well, on the planet Earth.

[ralphwells (ralphwells)]

Sound GG doctrine = that which sounds good.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/biggrin.gif

[yogi (yogi)]

Tom-ass better watch his step cuz the world is watching via internet communication!

yogi

[boss_martian (boss_martian)]

Let me quote yogi:

"Lack of empathy towards the human beings who suffer by the hands of this system - ironic since they are supposed to embrace Christian values and justice as fundamental principles guiding their lives and call."

From what I can see, at GGWO, the MOST important thing in the entire world is for someone to hold the office of pastor. PERIOD. Notice I didn't say "be" a pastor. That would involve making sure that your doctrines and beliefs are Biblically correct (even though there are certainly acceptable doctrinal differences)and then taking the extra step and LIVING THEM. There's also the aspect of putting the needs of others before those of yourself. Finally, I think it is important for a pastor (or any leader for that matter) to have a lot of integrity. To me, that means if the choice is either doing what is right, Biblical, and moral or keeping your job and the power that comes with it, the man of integrity will do what's right every time.

The pastors at GGWO lust after the position. They cannot bear to think of NOT being a pastor. They will hold on to this "position" (I refuse to even refer to it as a "calling") regardless of who it hurts. As a matter of fact, these low-lifes will gladly hurt or discard someone if they feel they are a threat to their "holy" position in the hierarchy. That's why marking is so prevalent. Ask too many questions and you're upsetting the status quo. You're threatening their J-O-B. Calling? They wouldn't know a calling if it walked up and bit them on the ass. All they care about is the position and the adulation. That's what they lust after and qualifications or personal suitability be damned. Don't get in their way.

I also have to wonder about the mindset of some of the congregants. Many have left to go to Paul Stevens church. Why? I think it's to follow a personality. Some of these people absolutely WANT an idol to worship. It's part of the whole GGWO SUPER DUPER Christianity which is supposed to be far superior to any other sort and can only come from a few MEN. How can anyone who agrees with the GGWO system ever say they believe each person is a believer priest? They certainly don't, because they feel like their salvation is dependent on a MAN and not GOD. Don't even try to say otherwise, because the actions of the congregants tell the story. Even some of the ministries that disaffiliated felt the need to praise Carl Stevens in their disaffiliation letter. This can only come from the belief that somehow Carl is someone truly special in God's eyes. (We all are, by the way.)

Thankfully, at least for this cult, the curtains are being drawn. I hope anyone who still goes to GGWO will read and think about what Schaller is saying.

[dave_drago (dave_drago)]

"There are those who are confused, wounded and hurting in our midst.... it's a shame that they refuse to admit how badly they need our rap sessions"

Tommy-bore is a really a novice.
This remedy is tantamount to the proverbial spiritual rubber glove...no thanks "Habemus Tommy bore"

[dave_drago (dave_drago)]

"We must learn to live above and beyond them and be very careful how we treat certain ones, or they'll cry and wine about it"

Tommy-bore is really a novice.

IMO, he is the biggest, whining, fussy, crying weak-wristed nancy boy in Baltimore who hides behind his spiritual daddy and his cathouse that keeps him in power. "daddy, daddy,there all against us. I had a vision the pulpit is mine...booh hooh, booh-hooh. I deserve it." What a whiner. Habemas Tommy-bore, the only thing you need to live above and beyond is the snoring during your preaching.

[rjfernalld (rjfernalld)]

"weak-wristed nancy boy"

Oh dear.

[c_la_verite (c_la_verite)]

projectile vomiting!!!
pavement pizza!!!

whoa... reading this thread was making me angry,
now i'm hungry too! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/sad.gif

[anova (anova)]

Tom says, - "God doesn't need your carnality in his body..."

Better to take OUR bodies away from Tom's frigging carnality.

[anova (anova)]

""weak-wristed nancy boy"

Oh dear."

Yeah, do you get the feeling we're working our way up to a "Tom Schaller Is A Vomitous Jerk" thread?

[bob_brinton (bob_brinton)]

Wouldn't it be refreshing to have spiritual 'leadership' that actually was willing to consider itself least? That considered its role to be the serving of all? To manipulate is not to serve. To build a 'spiritual' cow to milk for your own ends is not serving God or others. It's really the 'I will ascend' approach to ministry. We all know who the father of that approach actually is. The Pharisees thought they were doing God's work as they watched Him being nailed to the cross. He told them the truth, but they wouldn't listen.

[servantforgod (servantforgod)]

They act as if God is a respecter of persons, which he is not! True, we get punished if we rebel against God. But the officials at GGWO think they are God or a prophet. It is not up to a man made ministry, whether they are right in God's eyes. A true ministry would be humble and teach on God's love and mercy. We need to learn the hard facts about God's wrath and judgement for disobedience, yes. But preaching on the truth involves a spirit of humility, meekness and with motives of love, compassion and concern, as those who preach the gospel on salvation warn of eternal damnation for those who have not accepted Jesus as Lord. We warn people of hell, (and hell is real) not because we a vengeful, but because we are a people who would grieve to see others not make it into heaven and end up in darkness instead. GGWO use judgemental instead of loving approaches to doctrine. They use scripture and twist it. This reminds me of the stupid joke site about this hoax church known as Landover Baptist. It is a sick site! When GGWO is ready to be loving instead of judgemental, then I will listen. People repent and recieve healing in response to compassion instead of condemning judgement. Jesus said, those who are without sin, cast the first stone. GGWO casts stones, even though they do sin! Repent and humble yourselves, officials of GGWO!

[ralphwells (ralphwells)]

From James

1 My brothers, hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ without showing favoritism. 2 For suppose a man comes into your meeting wearing a gold ring, dressed in fine clothes, and a poor man dressed in dirty clothes also comes in. 3 If you look with favor on the man wearing the fine clothes so that you say, "Sit here in a good place," and yet you say to the poor man, "Stand over there," or, "Sit here on the floor by my footstool," 4 haven't you discriminated among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts?

8 If you really carry out the royal law prescribed in Scripture, You shall love your neighbor as yourself, you are doing well. 9 But if you show favoritism, you commit sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the entire law, yet fails in one point, is guilty of breaking it all.

12 Speak and act as those who will be judged by the law of freedom. 13 For judgment is without mercy to the one who hasn't shown mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment.

[sidethorn (sidethorn)]

Yep, God is no respector of persons. Too bad GGWO just can't accept that. They think their way is God's way and the ONLY way. Then they throw stones at people they think are in sin when they have a whole lot more sin in their own lives than there is in the lives of those they are throwing the stones at!!! What they don't accept is that the love of God brings people to repentance, not their condemning messages or threats to publicly ridicule people. They think they really know it all and really know so little. They think people are jealous of them and should go to their raps. In reality I'm laughing at them and their crap. What do they have to be jealous of? What is so much better about them? NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Other churches that preach about the finished work of the cross and salvation is by faith without works are not hard to find. At least they are not cults like Greater Grace. Then GGWO says we are divisive to expose their evil and rescue people from them. Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. Leaving the misinformed in that cult is the real sin. The Word says we are to have nothing to do with the unfruitful works of darkness but rather expose them. Boy there's a whole lot of exposing to do and thank God for Factnet as a great forum to do the exposing. Let those creeps running GGWO whine and complain like the spoiled babies they really are. They are the real dividers in the way they split up families, marriages, and friendships. The hyprocrisy goes on!!! When will GGWO ever listen to God instead of thier idols?????

(Message edited by sidethorn on April 29, 2005)

[daved (daved)]

sidethorn says:

>>>
What is so much better about them? NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>

Pastor Carl Stevens believes GGWO is much better
because they teach that "Jehovah" is a mongrel name that means nothing.

Pastor Carl Stevens believes that GGWO is much better
because they trust in the Greek writings of Clement of Alexandria,
that teach that God's name is pronounced "Iaoue" = "Yahweh".

That teaching is very important to Pastor Carl Stevens.

Pastor Carl Stevens believes that his ministy is a "preciseness ministry"!

AND HE MAY BE CORRECT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have never heard Pastor Schaller ever mention the name "Jehovah" or the name "Yahweh".

Where does Pastor Schaller stand on this issue?


daved

(Message edited by daved on April 28, 2005)

[forte (forte)]

Yo! Daved! I was wondering when you would start up again!

[jeannie (jeannie)]

Here is an interesting link to all the GGWO affiliates here and abroad. Note the churches NOT listed anymore. I also see some listed who I know have already left.. I guess they will have to be updating this site on a daily basis as the exodus continues...

www.ggwo.org/missions/usa (http://www.ggwo.org/missions/usa)

[rjfernalld (rjfernalld)]

Jeannie

Is there a list anywhere of the affiliates that have definitly left the fold?

[yogi (yogi)]

God bless Pastors Wood, Graziano and Morin!
You guys are da bomb for taking a stand against the immoral practices at "homebase."

When will Kelley, Powell, and Reed remove their name from the GGWO website? I know their buggin' too.

yogi

[kirk (kirk)]

Hey, What ever happened to Dave Hout?

[ericlaw (ericlaw)]

P. Deluise (forgive spelling) is pastoring the church now. Thats all I know.

[dave_drago (dave_drago)]

“Think how embarrassed Eudodius and Cynthicae must have felt when they heard their names being mentioned in Paul's epistle. Hopefully people here will come to us and seek forgiveness before their names are mentioned from the pulpit!!!!!”

Elder Tom is really a novice. He tosses around scriptures like a little leaguer in a pre-game warm up. It just must be good plain fun for him to make up things as he goes along. He is just like his spiritual daddy. NO APPRECIATION FOR CONTEXT.

Phil 4.2:
“I urge Euodia and Syntyche to iron out their differences and make up. God doesn't want his children holding grudges.” – The Message

Apparently, Eudoia and Syntyche were two church members who were at odds with each other. Paul was urging them to make peace with one another because their quarrel was painfully obvious to the church. He did not tell them to seek forgiveness from the elders, he told them to sit down and iron out their differences with one another. It is all about relationships, something Tommy-bore has no concept of.

Tommy-bore, you need to seek forgiveness in writing and in public for your stiff-necked, stubborn, irreconcilable, puffed up heart and novice handling of the Scriptures. It sounds to me like you are holiding a grudge; therefore, I urge you to seek reconciliation with the Branch Pastors you have marked. You really do bore me. Habemas Tommy-bore indeed.

For Him Alone,
Dave

[daved (daved)]

Pastor Schaller is quoted as saying:
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“Think how embarrassed Eudodius and Cynthicae must have felt
when they heard their names being mentioned in Paul's epistle.
Hopefully people here will come to us and seek forgiveness before their names are mentioned from the pulpit!!!!!”
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Philippians 4:2 [KJV] says:

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I beseech Euodias, and beseech Syntyche,
that they be the same mind in the Lord."
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In a taped message played Friday 1/21/05, on the Grace Hour,
Pastor Carl Stevens, standing in the pulpit,
critiqued certain Churches in Baltimore
for teaching that God's name is "Jehovah".

Pastor Carl Stevens said:

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So we got "Jehovah" and "Holy Ghost" just to bring conflict,
and I’ll guarantee you could go to Church after Church in this city,
and they love God, and they preach the gospel,
but in their ignorance they teach "Jehovah",
by giving Him the wrong name,
and they teach "Holy Ghost".
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Imagine that all of the Pastors in Baltimore,
who teach that God's name is "Jehovah"
should come to GGWO
and ask Pastor Carl Stevens and Pastor Tom Schaller
to forgive them for their ignorance,
however in return
these pastors ask Pastor Carl Stevens and Pastor Tom Schaller
to come to their churches and show them the Scriptures
where God has preserved His name as "Yahweh",
and to repent if they are unable to show that the name "Yahweh"
is found in the Scriptures!

Now that would be an interesting confrontation.

daved