Buddy Allen

[orangetwopay (orangetwopay)]

Does anyone remember the Buddy Allen craze of the mid-ninties? What was the real story behind that?

OTP

[ralphwells (ralphwells)]

Buddy Allen has a company that does really high quality herbal products called "Nutrition Outreach."

Buddy is a really nice guy, but is also a pentecostal and thus the brunt of CHS humor.

Blessings,

Ralph
1Cor 15:10

[jim_kennedy (jim_kennedy)]

Nutrition Outreach. They may still be in business and available on the Web.

I remember the day I heard about it, Junior told me himself. We were at a faculty dinner at a Polynesian restaurant in Baltimore.
Junior: "Jim, we've got a new program. A young guy like you might live to be 100."
Me: "Why would I want to live to be 100?"

I liked their products. Vitamins and herbal supplements. I did the 30 day detox program and I felt alot better. I stopped buying it when my church member supplier refused to hand the products to me personally. "We'll leave them out on the porch and you can pick them up." I'm not joking, treated us just like the lepers they perceived us to be.

Like alot of things Junior promoted, it seemed to be a business that certain members profited from, and that profit leaked into the church via tithing at least. Beyond that I don't know if he profited from it.

Jim

(Message edited by jim kennedy on April 29, 2005)

[yogi (yogi)]

Sounds like the most recent 'get rich quick' scheme, Arbonne, at GGWO. Sadly, the initiator of this multi-level marketing scam was later betrayed by a pastor's wife for disagreeing with Carl. Next thing we all knew, she was marked and ousted from her leadership position; thus resulting in her husband's resigning after 20 plus years of service to this cult! She did make a financial killing though, mixing her ministerial duties with selling these products and making a VERY lucrative business out of it.

In GGWO there were always the "innies" and the "outies"; the "haves" and the "have nots" and quite frankly, it was the have nots who did most of the giving and investing in "body members" not the leadership. No, the leadership spent the money given by the poor majority on: box seats to sporting events, staying in luxury accommodations while flying Carl and his entourage all over the world to be "worshipped" etc, etc, etc. THIS is what Tommy Shallow wants too...

NEVER!

yogi

[dawn (dawn)]

Another boring unimformative thread.

[lee (lee)]

dawn,
what do you want to know?
Write it out here or email me. I offered to answer any questions you asked, that I had the answer to.

[dawn (dawn)]

I have no e-mail to write to you.

[lee (lee)]

jack dot leonard@gmail dot com
I wrote this out before but Jack told me I shouldn't have done it that way. There are no spaces just type the dot after the letter before it. I guess he doesn't want junk mail!
When I answered you on another thread, I promised I would keep your identity confidential.

[aurora (aurora)]

Yogi-
I think calling the Arbonne thing a scam is a little extreme. It's pretty sraightforward- done like Tupperware really or like Mary Kay. Multi-level but not a "pyramid". There are several ladies still in GG who are still quite successful with it.

The Buddy Allen thing seemed a little weird to me though. Maybe that's because CHS promoted it himself (I think Scott Robinson was the the main one getting folks to sign up to sell the supplements but I'm not positive about that).

[isabella (isabella)]

Yogi,

I think the Arbonne thing was an extreme scam.

The usual with these guys..

Multi-level or pyramid, it all the same with the church/cult, as long as their making something.

Whether CHS or Scott promoted it, you know there was something in it for them.

PRAISE GOD YOGERINO!

Isabella

[newcreation (newcreation)]

Nutrition Outreach is still a very good source of herbal vitamins. I buy their vitamins regularly; never did it as a business, pass off my discounts to whoever wants to buy the vitamins. This isn't a scam. You can call them with symptons and they very willingly offer nutritional advice first, then suggest supplements. When I do this for folks, I suggest they check at a local health food store to see if they can purchase for less. Buddy Allen's heart is to help the body of Christ stay (or get) healthy. He visited the affiliate I am with. Did an iridology session that was quite impressive; stayed late into the night "reading" people's eyes; didn't charge.
I remember one convention when another vitamin source came on the scene and Nutrition Outreach was outed. I maintained my relationship with the company.

[isabella (isabella)]

Dear New Creation,

I know nothing about Nutricion Outreach.

I know a lot about the church/cult called TBS/GGWO.

That's all I was referring to.

Might try it myself if it's in the health stores. Thanks for the tip.

Isabella

[shat_happens (shat_happens)]

I think what the issue is about, was when Buddy starting up preaching, he'd come to churches and instead of peddling his good, he'd get up on stage and pretend to be pastor for the night! Many people stopped asking him to come out after that!

[aurora (aurora)]

yeah, I remember that.

[ericlaw (ericlaw)]

Arbonne is not a scam and neither are the other MLM's.
The problem is that people bring these things into church and use their relationships with the body to work the business. Whoever the first one in is the one making all the money. Many times they manipulate people by saying that, "this is really going to help pastor he is our direct upline" or "the church is going to get a percentage of this".
Water purifiers, come on how many do you need and how many can you sell for 2 or 3 hundres bucks? How many different vitamins can you sell.
Arbonne was the first one that I saw that was actually done responsibly and honestly (probably because there are no men involved, sorry guys :\)

[yogi (yogi)]

I would have to disagree.
We all know how Jesus felt about this type of thing in His Father's house...whips and tables over turned!

yogi

(Message edited by yogi on April 30, 2005)

[ericlaw (ericlaw)]

You can disagree if you want. Thats what makes the USA great.

[shat_happens (shat_happens)]

anyone still got a bottle of Super Unity? or that Shape up that makes you pee alot?

[yogi (yogi)]

No shat, just a left over bottle of snake oil I bought from Carl Stevens years ago.

yogi

[louise_connolly (louise_connolly)]

Yogi:

Why didn't you buy my snake oil? My snake oil is better!!

[anova (anova)]

Whips?? Tables overturned???

Sounds like TBS/GG family life behind closed doors.


Anovus

[yogi (yogi)]

Louise,

Had I known then what I know now I certainly would prefer your brand as a former TBS "victim" to CHS's "new" and "improved" Baltimore brand; The later is VERY bitter to swallow indeed!

yogi

(Message edited by yogi on April 30, 2005)

[boss_martian (boss_martian)]

I tried Shaklee at the ripe old age of 19. The products were pretty decent, but it only took about a month for me to figure out that it's a scam. Not in the sense that you get ripped off, but the fact that it is far more work than a real job if you expect to even turn a modest profit. Couple that with the fact that EVERYONE you meet has to be treated like a customer, and I found out it wasn't for me.

Over the last twenty years, I have been hit with a lot of Amway propaganda. The thing that REALLY ****es me off about them is all the secrecy. "Here's a free ticket to something that will change your life, but I won't tell you what it is." Sounds like an invite to GGWO!

There have been other phone card schemes, paid legal, etc. I found the article at the following link to be pretty representative of my experiences with the MLM nation:

http://www.mlmsurvivor.com/fitzpatrick.htm