DR LEWISbS LETTER

[mercyreigns (mercyreigns)]

Does anyone have a copy of Dr Lewis' letter to the affiliates regarding Pr. Schaller's appointment? If so can you post it here? It is a very important letter. Thanks
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[yogi (yogi)]

Nancy,

You got mail!

yogi

[mercyreigns (mercyreigns)]

Hi Yogi can you resend email? I had to change my settings in hotmail to receive mail.

Ericlaw if you sent me an email please resend.

Sorry all I didn't realize I had a lock on my email. Please forgive me if you have tried to email me and it bounced back. thank you.

[ericlaw (ericlaw)]

Yogi,
Can you pass it my way also:
eric_claw@yahoo.com

[nonotone (nonotone)]

... and mine: nonotone@mac.com

Thanks,


Brian Bowman

[search4truth (search4truth)]

Is there definitely a letter from Daniel Lewis?

God bless,
search4truth

(Message edited by search4truth on May 08, 2005)

[dinaweena (dinaweena)]

me too....goddardmg@verizon.net

[dinaweena (dinaweena)]

me too ....goddardmg@verizon.net

[jim_kennedy (jim_kennedy)]

Looks like there's no letter. "There are secret tapes in Baltimore." LOL.

Dean crapped on enough people during his tenure at GG that I would think it's safe to say that whatever he's getting he's had it coming. Probably he's working the phones attempting to find some branch church who will pity him and give him a job, preferrably an executive one like he had at GG. I wonder if he'll sit in someone's office and cry like he did when he came back to Lenox from Kisseme? International Field Secretary of the New Anti-Schaller Alliance. May the Force be with you.

I heard Wal-Mart is hiring. There are also always openings for security officers and slot attendants in the casinos up here in Atlantic City. $8.00 per hour to start. Grave Shift.

Jim

(Message edited by jim kennedy on May 03, 2005)

[whitehorses (whitehorses)]

they cant hire him at macdonalds... they will go out of business... maybe subway will hire him as a spokesperson.. yeah him and jared.

[isabella (isabella)]

Jim and White,

Don't be so mean.

Besides, you're probably wrong about him needing a job.

Do you think he would just leave if they told him to?

Never thought of him as a dummy..

If he takes a job it will be "just to keep busy".

I'm sure he's packing a bundle on his way out.

Isabella

[whitehorses (whitehorses)]

isabella
dont tell people what to do

[anova (anova)]

Whitehorses,

Stop telling people to not tell people what to do.

[anova (anova)]

<font size="-2">just kidding</font>

[anova (anova)]

I have to say this about Dan Lewis. I didn't know Dan Lewis when I was in "the body."

But there is no one, I mean NO ONE, of TBS/GG leaders (other than Carl) that I have heard people speak of with such intense anger and outrage.

I take that seriously.

Anovus

[whitehorses (whitehorses)]

anova youre a trip. as soon as i posted that... i thought.. well damned.. i just told her not to do what i just did.

[anova (anova)]

Anovus

<font size="+1">KNOWS ALL, SEES ALL</font>

[isabella (isabella)]

White Horses,

I'm sorry. You're right.

I wasn't really telling you what to do, it was just my way of starting the post. LOL..damn!

Do you get my point though?

Lewis is prabably rolling in it.
(After all, he is a Doctor.)

I want to know how much they gave him to cut loose and retire.

Someone knows.

Or, if I'm wrong, maybe TS could post again and explain how Dr. Lewis wasn't paid off..maybe he could show us on overhead screen.

So glad you're doing well enough to post.

Love and prayers,
Isabella

[jim_faucett (jim_faucett)]

somebonus@yahoo.com

[whitehorses (whitehorses)]

thanks isabella... i get what you were saying about big dans wallet... you are probably right... he is probably dining with the donald and melania down here in florida with all his beaker millions.! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

[anova (anova)]

Isabella,

I can't tell you the number of times over the years I have heard exers pose the question, "I wonder what Lewis knows about Stevens that puts Stevens in the position of always keeping him around."

A payoff is not something I had thought of, but it's certainly plausible.

[minutus (minutus)]

Severance for staff members and elders leaving is supposedly in the works. 1.4 million in the GGWO bank account.

[minutus (minutus)]

Dan will be living in a trailer that his in-laws own.

[ariel (ariel)]

minutus
"Severance for staff members and elders leaving is supposedly in the works. 1.4 million in the GGWO bank account."
Please explain.

[isabella (isabella)]

1.4 million is not that much these days.

Where's the rest of it?

[yogi (yogi)]

Maybe Danny can sell his $80,000.00 Range Rover to help sustain him during this time of "transition." He's probably got more of our "tithes" stored away in non liquid assets for a rainy day then many of us were able to save in our own checking accounts after giving all our time and money to this life-blood sucking cult!

yogi

[yogi (yogi)]

If he goes to Florida I can just imagine his big, white bum walking down the beach with zinc-oxide on his nose, a metal detector in his hands, mumbling to himself, "No touch love, no touch love..." while wearing a crocheted beer can hat in wild print Hawaii pants stuck up his butt!

yogi

[anon_brief (anon_brief)]

Glad to hear Lewis won't be taking up residence on A1A.

[dinaweena (dinaweena)]

eeeewwww! just what I wanted to think about before bed (the "no touch love" statement is KILLING me!). Lord, keep my mind on higher things....

[yogi (yogi)]

Sorry if this offends, just wanted to express the "honor" he is due!*gag*
yogi

[isabella (isabella)]

Yogi, are you kidding?

You really made me laugh.

"Big white bum..zinc oxide on his nose..metal detector!!!!..."

It doesn't even have to be Doctor Dean Daniel.

It's just so funny to imagine.

Thanks,
Isabella

[whitehorses (whitehorses)]

if he comes here as you described that image yogi i am going to have to invest in my own permenent pavement pizza oven...
there goes the neighborhood. (wanna buy some swamp land little boy??)

[yogi (yogi)]

Only prime Realstate for Danny; swampland with hungry alligators that aren't on a low-fat diet!

yogi

[whitehorses (whitehorses)]

lol cellulite on a stick

[yogi (yogi)]

Deep, fat fried!

[j_graz (j_graz)]

This is the kind of crap that trashes any amount of credibility this board is gaining.

If you're ever going to see these guys come out, participate and reconcile, these kinds of comments will have to have stopped. None of them would ever feel the liberty to be here in the presence of these kinds of insults.

[minutus (minutus)]

Unfortunately Lewis seems to have built up a reservoir of ill will over decades of doing his master's bidding. I believe FACTNet will have more credibility faster than he will without a public repentance. Anyone who posts here with their real names will always have a few who hate their guts, for whatever reason. Sad but true. If one feels what they have is worth saying and willing to put their name behind it, be prepared for a few "slings and arrows of outrageous fortune." If not, no one thinks less of you.

Dave Carson

[lee (lee)]

I'm feeling rather foolish right now, and would love to point out that CHS has said somethings about him that are far worse. Measuring and comparing is foolish, but as Dave says, he's built up much ill will over the years.

Many are on the exit ramp and need encouragement to get out. I notice many that are reading and screwing up the courage to post, like to make mention of the fact that FN gets really profane and mocking at times. They can't seem to get over the language, and they refuse to continue to read, thus, making true the insults they hear from GG people.

FN is not demonic as they say. The revival and God's moving strongly that they say is true of GG in Balt is simply not true! The moving of God is right hear on FN. (and behind the scenes, as a result of FN)

Little did I know when I started posting here (from the beginning),that FN would accomplish so much in bringing light to the places where guilt, shame,confusion and the big one, fear is the motivating factor that keeps people stuck. Stuck inside GG or stuck on the ramp, or if they ran right out, now, in their private lives, they still find themselves subject to tactics used to control them.

I didn't know, in the beginning if this was from God or not. I didn't know if my participation on FN was a calling or not! Or, a ministry if that defines it better. I did know, that this was the time to bring it all to the light.

I think, there's still time for those stuck, to get a strong dose of reality. Out of the bubbleworld and into the real world.

I also think that believers that live in the real world are unique, not the herds that want to give up all responsibility, stop thinking and feeling. , letting others make decisons for them, thus robbing them of a good and full life.

[j_graz (j_graz)]

Dave, it's not just for the sake of guys like Dr Lewis, its for those who still misunderstand this board as well. Those who are not quite ready to leave but are seeking.

There are hundreds of folks reading, who will never post.
There's a really big picture here.

[jim_kennedy (jim_kennedy)]

Not all of us are seeking reconciliation. Certainly those who caused the damage to many of the people on Factnet have not.

When people can see these hypocrites for who they are, it will be easier for them to get out. We're not afraid of "touching God's annointed" any more. And none of us have cancer. After all that these guys have done to hurt people in the name of God, I think they are getting off pretty easy with just a couple of "insults."

It is funny to see the knee jerk reactions on Factnet when you touch someone's sacred cow (not just you Graz) Leaving GG is one thing, undoing years of indoctrination is another. Some have left and taken a stand for the truth. Others have become aware of things they knew nothing about and just walked out the door. Other's have left because it is now convenient. And some got fired from their cushy staff jobs.

"How does it feel?
How does it feel?
To be on your own...
With no direction home.
A complete unknown,
Like a rolling stone..."

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/FactLogoSmall.gif

[jeannie (jeannie)]

Exactly Lee and P.Graz!

[lee (lee)]

Yeah, we need to help them get to where they can see again. And, we need patience while the nasty poisonous stuff gets out.

They have grown, over the years to readily accept whatever their pastor/teacher, spiritual father says about anything and anybody. It's okay for their leaders to deal in smut, gossip, maligning, etc etc.

My hope and prayer is that, speaking the truth will shed the much needed light, along with humor and chitchat, that will result in many overcoming their confusion and get unstuck.

Some loyalists have built a very strong bubbleworld for themselves, never realizing that the longer they stay and spout the aberrant, cultic ways of GG, that they will be held accountable for it. Even if they 'know' all the stuff, their reasoning is faulty, in that, they can't hide forever.

We need to continue to bring light......evidently, God has chosen us to do it. Let's keep up the good work here.

[ralphwells (ralphwells)]

True P Graz, but there are certain facts that need to be stated, but without so much rancor.

I will never forget the day I was called into DL's office for stating publically what was wrong with the whole "beama" teaching, especially (some of you will remember this) that Jesus would introduce some to the heavenlies as "winners" and others as "losers!" I told DL that I could accept Jesus calling some "winners," even though there are no scriptures to support it. "But Dr. Lewis, not only is Jesus' pronouncing a blood bought believer a loser not supported by scripture, it is a slap in the face of Christ!"

DL's reponse?

"Well P. Wells, Pastor has been doing this for over forty years! Don't you think he knows more than we do?"

If he could have heard himself there should have been red lights flashing and a voice saying "Warning! Warning!" There certainly was in mine.

And that, Dear Friends and fellow FactNetters, is the problem! And now it is same old, same old that you have. New face, same old game!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/angry.gif

It would be http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif funny, if it were not so http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/sad.gif tragic.

[lee (lee)]

I must get a tshirt with the FN logo on it! Do you think its illegal to do that?

[minutus (minutus)]

I understand, Jerry, and agree with you. It's just that FACTnet is not the tightly-controlled environment that those folks are used to. It's a whole lot better than it was before users had to register (and of course the GGWO trolls were the worst offenders http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/blush.gif.)

Just read this quote and thought it applicable:
"But in the world of keyboards and cyber-space, it is possible to maintain the illusion (a little longer) that your own private reality is internally consistent. If you won't talk to people who will call you on it, you won't get called on it."

Doug Wilson http://www.dougwils.com/

I wish it was different, but I also appreciate the freedom. So for all you non-posters out there, I really won't bite http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/proud.gif. If you feel like a more private means of communication, try minutus@gmail.com.

You won't die if you go to the surface (THX-1138)

[jim_kennedy (jim_kennedy)]

Dave, does your boss know you're using the computer to go on Factnet? LOL

[minutus (minutus)]

Policy states we may access sites that are news and health-related. I consider this both http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif.

[mr_twister (mr_twister)]

J graz...I agree with your comment about civility and maturity on this board. I have observed for a few months and I cringe sometimes at what supposedly a community of Christians are saying about one another, however taking into account the pain and confusion in regards to the past of GGWO history, people's words start to make sense. This board is the only way for some people to really vent how they feel, right or wrong. Many people following this saga I'm sure are thrilled with your stand in this latest chapter, but sir pinch yourself if you think the leadership and their devoted followers in Baltimore cares about what is said on this board. After thirty plus years, history just keeps repeating itself in this group (GGWO) If individuals cannot see all the good people that are leaving or that have left over the years and the preponderance of documents and letters and still they are not convinced then they probably won't be....So please let the hurt have thier say. God bless you in the new direction of your walk.

[whitehorses (whitehorses)]

hey graz
get a sense of humor will ya?
its a free country. if you dont like the freedom of speech then you also have the freedom not to read it.

noone can tell anyone what to say on these forums or not to say so stop trying to sensor them.

some people use comic relief don rickles style as a healing balm. you have no right to tell people what they can post or not.
i hate it when people try to play god and stifle other people freedom of expression..., for any reaon. maybe someone coming on this site might actually like to chuckle too,. ever think of that?

[minutus (minutus)]

Jerry, why not post a little about your own reception both on FACTnet publicly and in the private communications which resulted?

[yogi (yogi)]

I can appreciate where P. Graz is coming from. He's a pastor and feels a certain responsibility to uphold a godly standard. However, it is true some of us process our anger a little more unorthodoxly than others. You gotta admit, it would be sweet justice to see Danny and others having to find minimum wage jobs and humble themselves after YEARS of arrogance and pride.

yogi

[whitehorses (whitehorses)]

graz is not the pastor of this forum and does not need to feel like he is responsible to uphold his sensorship on here. boy it irks me when people tell people what to say or not say, not matter what it is. i have nothing against him just that he just came out of the Beaks and he still thinks he can boss people around and control them

[minutus (minutus)]

As for Lewis, my opinion of him is based on two incidents. The first is described here:

http://www.factnet.org/factnetcgi/discus/show.cgi?tpc=3&amp;post=103024#POST103024

The second happened a few years after we left. I read an article in the newsletter of the Final Frontiers Foundation, an organization which I believe is doing a great job supporting indigenous missionaries (including a few from GGWO), which described the terrible persecution of Louis Demeo in France. I e-mailed Mr. Nelms, the director, and had the temerity to say that it was very possible the problems in France were a result of GGWOs blasphemous alliance with the Church of Scientology. The Lisa McPherson story was big news down here at the time (Pinellas County is Home Base for Scientology) and I was not happy that a "Bible-believing" church would make ANY deals with them, much less unite to silence critics. Also mentioned the possibility that GGWO might be a cult as well. That was the first and only time I said anything about GGWO to anyone before starting on FACTNet last summer.

Never heard from Nelms, but lickety-split Lewis sent John Cirlingione down to get me to repent for "slandering" a godly man. I had said nothing about Demeo except what a shame his fruitful work was hindered by the alliance. Somewhere in the conversation it came out that Lewis had represented me to Nelms as a disaffected missionary who was mad because he didn't get any money. Well, I didn't repent because I hadn't said anything that wasn't true.

Would his repenting to me mean anything? Not really. I don't have the strong feelings that some do here. It might be useful if he told Mr. Nelms the truth about GGWO, though.

Dave Carson,
Missionary to Finns, Azerbaijanis, Bosnians, Chechens, Albanians, Turks, Bulgarians, and a few others somewhere http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/kiss.gif.

[yogi (yogi)]

No more free trips around the world, guilible people sucking up, feelings of superiority over congregants, etc, etc, etc... cool!

Certainly many pastor's who are disaffiliating must have tremendous guilt over the duplicity which they unknowingly (and knowingly) aided; nevertheless, try laughing sometime, it feels REALLY good!

Have a good day and welcome to the board!

yogi

[herroyalhighness (herroyalhighness)]

Mr. Twister - don't know who you are, but agree with your 10:17 post. I'm no prude but many times have cringed when comments go beyond my comfort zone (as others most likely have cringed at my posts from time-to-time). However, I'm a big girl and can just move beyond those posts. If they are aimed at me, I can challenge them and even if they are not, I can voice my opinion... but it isn't my place to try to parent anyone else.

Sometimes people are out of line (in my opinion) but, my God, we are all just people... why do we expect perfection? (oh yes...that perfection would only be by our particular definition anyway!!) We are all at different stages... have had different hurts and experiences and have different comfort levels, different moral values, different opinions about appropriate behavior.... Tolerance is an important value....of course, it's just my opinion!!!!!!!!!!! I had a wonderful father and have an equally as wonderful mother...don't need another one!

[dawn (dawn)]

GGWO is being bloggered! The same has happened to the liberal stronghold on this country. They are being exposed and are fighting mad.

[jeannie (jeannie)]

I am last one to advocate censoring anyone's voice on FN. I actually find Yogi funnier than the average bear. And I do not think Graz was trying to censor or pastor anyone on the forum. I think he is aware of how many are leaving the GG bubble world and coming to this forum is a huge step. What seems to us to be clever repartee and enjoying our freedom of speech will smack them in the face.. "oh my god! This is evvvilll!!" The "pulpit" was right.. God will strike me dead for typing in factnet.org.. and they will leave and never come back...

Pointing out this fact is not censorship, it is sensitivity to the plight and difficult exiting process of those leaving a cult.

And it is just my opinion.. keep the witty barbs coming but keep the newbies in mind when you are doing it.. or don't.. you control your fingers..not me..

[ralphwells (ralphwells)]

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

Hey Yogi, you're right it does feel good, they SHOULD try it.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif

[j_graz (j_graz)]

We will loose the the opportunity to ministry to some folks who will not stay in the threads very long if the line is crossed.

We would gain what we might otherwise lose,

[yogi (yogi)]

Jeannie, Once this cult issue is resolved I see a bright, new future as an ambassador for the World Health Organization!

One of your biggest fans,

yogi

[yogi (yogi)]

Daniel may have to get a day job for the first time in his life...

Sorry but just got another "visual" on Daniel...picture this, Dean Daniel leaning out the window of a Burger King or McDonald's, headpiece in place; buttons on his uniform gapping from his vast belly saying, "would you like fries with that order?"

OR

at a local supermarket boxing groceries...wait this is unfair of me, my apologies Daniel, let's make him a checker instead processing items through the scanner and saying, "Paper of plastic?"

*lol*

yogi

[herroyalhighness (herroyalhighness)]

Another of Jeannie's fans....

I applaude your attempt to say "be nice/considerate" without making it a demand!!!

HRH

[whitehorses (whitehorses)]

yes and some people will find it funny,,,so what do we do.... not do snything because some people dont haver a sense of humor? some people are too thin skinned?im sorry. i disagree... as it is now i have seen people coming on this site and there is no minsitering to them... they are asked to prove who they are or they are challenged as to what they have poste, nevermind the incessant bickering back and forth that goes on between powsters. that to me is more of a deterrent than someone poking a little fun at people who have used others as toilet paper for their own gain.
i am sorry, when soneone tells people that they do not approve of what is being said then they can walk by the post. you cant really think that you are going to sheild these people coming out from the real world from comments made to those they worshipped? this is REAL life, so get used to it people

this additude of telliong people what to write and what not to write is making me sick. i think my time once again is up here... im not like neil.. i dont keep coming back under different user names when i say im done, im done.

so now what have you done? it is a two edged sword isnt it? you dont want people to ssy things you dont like because you are the protectors of those "coming out" but with that same sworf you have alientated me once again and others who used to post here but no longer do BECSUSE of this very thing.

you all have fun. i have better things to do with people who cant take a joke.
btw, not that is means much to any of you but i hear it raines alot in maine in august, so i think i will decline.
i hear there is a good stand up comedian booked at the inprov that week anyway.
ciao
ps
im sorry for keep saying i am sorry but that is all i apoligize for

[ralphwells (ralphwells)]

HRH and Yogi - are you GE, Westinghouse, or some "off" brand? http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/biggrin.gif

BTW Jeannie - I too am one your your biggest Westinghouse's. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif

[herroyalhighness (herroyalhighness)]

Woah!! Margot - DON'T GO -- Your voice never ceases to bring balance -- AND humor - You, of all people help to maintain the sanity! (Well, what little of it we have left!)

[whitehorses (whitehorses)]

and i have one more thing to say while we asre on the subject of humor then i will leave you to your piousness... cape cod, who i am a big fan of posts.has the most wicked senses of humor on here... he says things that would make most people run away from this site. if i didnt know he was joking i would, not find this site very edifying either. noone EVER got on his case for some of the things he says! so why the double standard here?

[whitehorses (whitehorses)]

its piety not piousness sorry

[j_graz (j_graz)]

There is a great value to being balanced...grasshopper

[ralphwells (ralphwells)]

Margo - please do not leave. There are too far few Dolphin fans on here!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif So stick around you wicked Floridian you! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

P. Graz - Most of the folks on here are kind, and many have already survived teh flames and icy winds, so will the newbies. Actually the mood of FactNet is much more mellow than back a few months ago. And many of those who are n the process of leaving will also have to vent. This is a relatively safe place for that. BTW, Jim Faucett, Dave Drago, myslef, and many others get EMails form folks who see our addresses and either never post on here or post under a very discrete pseudonym. It is really alright, God it truly in the midst.

Love ya man, and Archie too.

[jeannie (jeannie)]

Yogi, thanks but I think I will go back to caring for dear demented, trust me.. their world is much saner the TBS/GGWO saga!

Margo, Dear girl, don't go! Your points in the above post are valid, let's stick them in the big pot called FN and stir them up with the rest of the valid points. It is a crazy broth.. I respect your voice as much as I do Steve Quinlan or Jim Faucett or Cape Cod. You are right the incessant bickering can deters as much as humor on the edge. Good point! Who would have made it if you were not here? Really, the story, the complete picture is in all our voices.

[lee (lee)]

I agree with Jeannie, Margo, without you here, we would have an incomplete picture.
I think we should just keep reaching out to those too afraid right now, to speak up and move.
To those that have been blind for a long time, it is a shock to their system. If we all made it, they can as well.
Perhaps in their desperateness, they will keep coming back here and keep reading. They may need FN in small doses.
Makes me realize how powerful all our voices are together!

[yogi (yogi)]

Please don't go Margo, who will laugh with me at midnight over "off-colored" and quite frankly, humorous posts? Hope you'll reconsider...

yogi

[dinaweena (dinaweena)]

by the by....I DID laugh (for a long time) at the post....just didn't want to DREAM about it! Thus my 'higher things' comment....CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?! :-)

[arguendo (arguendo)]

"We will loose the the opportunity to ministry to some folks who will not stay in the threads very long if the line is crossed."

You are a control freak and you need to chill. You are really starting to **** me off. You don't even have a clue as to why FactNet has been effective. You want to destroy the very thing that makes it powerful.

[ralphwells (ralphwells)]

Dina - we are a family, as Jeannie and Lee? have satted, families do fight some, but they are family.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif BTW, you don't want to visit my church and let me make a pentecostal of you, huh? http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif

Yogi - you truly are your own number one fan!!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif But I am one of your GE's too.

Once again Margo - DO NOT LEAVE US.

This theme songs for you Margo, "Do not forsake me oh my Darling,,," Won't sing the rest of it, Kathleen would get jealous!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif

[dinaweena (dinaweena)]

arguendo, must you live up to your name? Who cares if anyone else is a control freak.....refuse to let yourself be controlled and move on. I'm learning this very thing myself and BOY-O-BOY is it nice to let things 'roll off'....after all, the only thing that really matters is the Truth.

[yogi (yogi)]

Thanks weena!

No sir Ralphie, take that back or I'm gonna tell "pastah."

yogi

[dinaweena (dinaweena)]

ralphwells....I think I love you! You know what? I don't have parents anymore (they've decided to move on without me) but you seem like one cool dad-dad-daddy-o!!God Bless you!
P.S. I've been very involved in a pentecostal church before....I enjoyed it...

[yogi (yogi)]

Arg, think some of the newbies posting here are having to learn we don't play by GGWO rules here.
Don't worry they'll get comfy and figure out that control of others is not an option here!

Have a good day counselor!

yogi

[minutus (minutus)]

Kinda reminds me of the three-headed knight in Monty Python and the Holy Grail:
"Let's kill him."
No let's have a cup of tea.
No, let's kill him and then have a cup of tea."

Welcome to FACTNet http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/crazy.gif

[arguendo (arguendo)]

Dina, you refuse to let yourself be controlled and move on. You let things roll off.

Me, I'm going to take a stand. I've decided to say something about something I think is deterimental to the board. Must I live up to my name (whatever that means)? No. But I do try to live up to my conscience and your opinion has no bearing on that.

[ralphwells (ralphwells)]

Dina - Cetainly I will adopt you! And if you enjoyed the other pentecostal church you would absolutely love P. Kirk! Central Assembly, on Rossville Blvd at the 95 overpass.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gifhttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/kiss.gif

Yogi my beara - take back what?http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/angry.gif Like Martin Luther, "Here I stand, I can do nothing less!" I take nothing back you rascal! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/biggrin.gif

BTW - no one threw a party ofr me when I hit 1000 posts, sooooo, I am shooting for 2000! Only 917 to go!!!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/crazy.gif

[dinaweena (dinaweena)]

I can respect that arguendo. It's just that you seem extremely confrontational and I think it's aimed at the wrong folks. Maybe you should take some of that 'righteous indignation' to the source of your anger? Just a suggestion...As for taking a stand, I'm doing that...I just don't think I need to 'stand' on anyone else. I've appreciated your posts and can understand your annoyance.

[jim_kennedy (jim_kennedy)]

"I'm thinking of no one in my mind
Sedan delivery is a job I know I'll keep
It sure was hard to find...
IT'S HARD TO FIND A JOB!"
(Neil Young)

Actually I always consider the audience on Factnet. You should read the parody of THE END by the Doors that I've come up with. Don't want to cause my brothers to stumble. I've been a good little Jersey Boy, can I have dessert now?

FREE SPEECH ONLINE <font color="0000ff">BLUE</font> RIBBON CAMPAIGN
STOP <font color="ff0000">INTERNET CENSORSHIP</font>

[j_graz (j_graz)]

Yes arguendo, self control is very freaky for some people....

[arguendo (arguendo)]

Yeah, I unapologetically confront BS when I see it, no matter the source.

My anger? Exactly what am I angry about?

You assume too much.

Better to spend your time articulating an argument in support of your apparent belief in censorship and rule making, than trying to change a complete stranger on a public message board.

[arguendo (arguendo)]

And freedom is very freaky for other people. So freaky, that when they get out of one prison, they unconsciously try to construct another to be comfortable.

You are in a wasteland of freedom, your only alternative is to lead by example and to be as consistent as possible, and hope the people you want to reach are paying attention.

(Message edited by arguendo on May 05, 2005)

[dinaweena (dinaweena)]

Exactly how am I assuming? Your "attitude" is enough of an indication of your state of mind. Here, let me unapologetically confront BS....you are full of yourself! NO one is trying to censor you. We've merely asked that you would not attack people based on THIER opinions...you seem to think that you are the only one that matters. Obviously you are a byproduct of this minisrty....you seem to be coming from the same point of view as CHS himself! "I'm right and everyone else is wrong". HOw sickening! I'm not trying to 'change' you, I am TELLING you to back the hell up and show some respect for your fellow posters! We're supposed to be on the same team! Talk about trying to destroy the very thing that makes Factnet so powerful...

[arguendo (arguendo)]

Dina, you need to do more reading.

[dinaweena (dinaweena)]

arguendo,
I don't wish to argue with you any further. I apologize for taunting you. I have read your posts and as I said earlier, I appreciate a LOT of the things you've said. I just think we ALL could be a little bit more considerate at times. If that means I am trying to censor you, then I am sorry. I still hold to the fact that WE ARE ON THE SAME SIDE....truce?

[yogi (yogi)]

Don't want to yank a dogs ears but, Arg IS on our team and she makes a very valid point. Perhaps others aren't used to blatant honesty after the GGWO "experience" but this honesty is a breath of fresh air after the propagandized Bull**** we were spoon fed from the pulpit these many years.

And you have a right to your own questions as well so have at um!

yogi

[yogi (yogi)]

Now let's get back to exposing the lies of GGWO shall we?

yogi

[arguendo (arguendo)]

Dina, I going to say what I've said to many people here, but I'm going to say it in the gentlest manner I can muster.

Don't apologize. Mean what you say, say what you mean, and stick by it. It's okay to disagree, it's okay to speak your mind (and it's okay to change your mind). It's okay to have boundaries and demand that they be respected. We are not friends because we agree, and we are not enemies because we disagree.

I do have standards for consideration and kindness, but they are not the same as yours. I do what I was meant to do. There are many things I don't do. For example, I don't do "hand holding," but Jeannie is excellent at that type of thing. She is very empathetic. Lucky to have her here to balance the likes of me. There are dozens of people here being themselves and offering what they have to give, and by some miracle it has worked to some degree.

So, you be you, and I'll be me, and things will probably be fine.

[anon_brief (anon_brief)]

Yep.

Ain't the real world great?

[arguendo (arguendo)]

Are there any fresh lies? Or just the same old lies?

[dinaweena (dinaweena)]

sounds good to me....moving right along...

[anova (anova)]

Dinaseenaweenakins, meet arguendoseenaweenakins.

[rjfernalld (rjfernalld)]

It is also okay to apologize if you want to, feel it necessary and are truly sorry for something.

Some do, some don't. *shrug*

[anova (anova)]

People ARE strange.

[rjfernalld (rjfernalld)]

Ayuh....

[arguendo (arguendo)]

"arguendoseenaweenakins"

Never again.

I will hunt you down, hog tie you, cook you alive and eat you with fava beans and fine chianti.

[yogi (yogi)]

"...ff-ff-f-"

[c_la_verite (c_la_verite)]

Kinda reminds me of the three-headed knight in Monty Python and the Holy Grail:
"Let's kill him."
No let's have a cup of tea.
No, let's kill him and then have a cup of tea."
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minutus... you kill me!

whitehorses... if you leave this board i'll send
you a computer virus you won't forget. and you're absolutely right... cape cod should have been censored long ago. where is that boy? hasn't his wife let him out of his muzzle lately? and what about karen? and ethel mertz? this place is going to the dogs!

[newface (newface)]

I'm a new poster here, I enjoy the discussions and the debates. It is encouraging and grown-up and good for us to think and be able to just talk. Thankyou for your honesty and "edginess" It is refreshing.

[linda_kern (linda_kern)]

Whitehorses-don't leave, I just came back! I would miss your sense of humor and your words of wisdom. They have all been a blessing to me! If you left it would be "totally crapulous"!! (love that saying!)

c..hi...it's me "ethelmertz"...decided to come back with my real name this time.

[jack_leonard (jack_leonard)]

As for the profanity on Factnet:
I am reminded of Martin Luther, who was a down-and-dirty fighter. Try this experiment: Google “Martin Luther and fart” just for starters and see what you find. Really, you should! It’s interesting! I’ll let someone else quote his comments here. Suffice it to say, he did not spare the pope. Yogi and Whitehorses would do well at his Table Talks.
We are not a cult. We are not authoritarian. In fact, there’s no leadership at all. We are a fellowship and they will know we are Christians because we love one another, not because we all conform to someone’s standard of behavior and decorum. We do not police our members, but we do not agree with all our members either. We do admonish, but we do not scream from the pulpit and threaten the non-conformists.

[jack_leonard (jack_leonard)]

One more thought. Once you finally screw up your courage to come out of GGWO, there is this unsettling time where you begin to question and challenge everything. You don’t know what to believe for a while and you want to challenge/test everything. Some give up organized church for a while. Others give up religion (thank God!) and that explains the free speech here. Some give up God altogether. It’s not pretty. The transition from slave to son of God is not easy. There is no nice way to escape the chains. Power is never relinquished voluntarily.
I used to think about the “wide places” into which the grace of God invites us. If you’re a puppy who’s been tied up on a short leash your entire life, you can go loony when let loose. So what? Shall we put the noose, no, I mean leash, back on?

[cape_cod (cape_cod)]

Did I hear my name mentioned? hmmmm...

Whitehorses said:

"cape cod, who i am a big fan of posts.has the most wicked senses of humor on here... he says things that would make most people run away from this site. if i didnt know he was joking i would, not find this site very edifying either. noone EVER got on his case for some of the things he says! so why the double standard here?"

Hey Margo, we have something in common, cuz I'm a BIG fan of my posts too.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif Sheesh, and here I thought that I was being the perfect gentleman here on FACTNet. Okay, no more mister nice guy.
pssst, I'm gonna tell you my lil' secret, but please keep it to yourself. I pray over each one of my posts and ask God to curse anyone who dares disagree with me in any way, shape, or form. Also, I interlace a subliminal message into each of my posts which says something to everyone who reads them. In essence, the subliminal message says: IF you choose to disagree with me, that's fine, but to be perfectly honest with you, I don't give a damn, so keep your ignorant opinions to yourself. Oh, and have a nice day!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif Well, there you have my lil' secret Margo. Now, please, do NOT go spreading this around because people would just NOT understand.

In all seriousness Margo, your opinions are just as important and valid as anyone else's on FACTNet. Stand your ground. FACTNet needs strong personalities like yours to spice things up a bit.

People gave up long ago trying to get me to behave. I say what I think and there's always going to be many who disagree, but who cares, I certainly don't. I totally agree with Arguendo's philosophy when she says, "Mean what you say, say what you mean, and stick by it."

Whitehorses also said: " i hear it raines alot in maine in august" - Now, that's a damn lie. Maine has the very best summer month's, all two of them - July &amp; August, of ANY state. I'm for one, looking forward to seeing you in Freeport this August. So, bring your raincoat, umbrella, and sparkling smile and have a fantastic time with the rest of us reprobates.


Arguendo,

pssst, I know where Anovus lives, and as a matter of fact I would be willing to even give you excellent directions if you promise to do as you said above, "I will hunt you down, hog tie you, cook you alive and eat you with fava beans and fine chianti.", but you have to promise.

[daved (daved)]

jack_leonard says:

<font color="ff0000">>>>
As for the profanity on Factnet:
I am reminded of Martin Luther, who was a down-and-dirty fighter. Try this experiment: Google “Martin Luther and fart” just for starters and see what you find. Really, you should! It’s interesting!
>>></font>

At a Lutheran Online site,
I find the following quote:

<font color="0000ff">>>>
Almost every night when I wake up the devil is there and wants to dispute with me. I have come to this conclusion: When the argument that the Christian is without the law and above the law doesn't help, I instantly chase him away with a fart.--Martin Luther (1483-1546), Luther's Works, Volume 54, Table Talk_ [1967], Number 469)
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http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/uhoh.gifhttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gifhttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/uhoh.gif

daved

(Message edited by daved on May 05, 2005)

[minutus (minutus)]

So does that make this FARTNet for Stevens?

[ralphwells (ralphwells)]

Joe - you behave now!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif Another thing we have in common Joe, I am also my biggets fan!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/crazy.gif

Margo - if you leave FactNet I will never post anything to you on here again!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif And I will take away your lifetime Dolfins fan club card.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/sad.gif So you had better stay here, because those are two prrreeeeettty stiff penalties.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/biggrin.gif

Arguendo - love you kid!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/kiss.gif Forgive me, I WAS kissing up to you! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/blush.gif But I do appreciate your posts.

Dinaweena-what ever is was that made your head spin er,,, swim er,,, er,,, whatever, you are AWESOME!! Love ya Babe!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif Keep posting!

PS - hope ya'll will post a prayer of the National Prayer Day thread.

[anova (anova)]

"The transition from slave to son of God is not easy."

Beautifully said. And that exactly is the journey we all are on.

Anovus

[anova (anova)]

Cape Cod,

Your post was hilarious.

I must comment. I have surprised at the outpouring of comments on the outrageousness of your postings. There are times I feel a bit guilty about the level of tastelessnes and sarcasm in my own postings. I was relieved not to be named along with you.

It's funny, I honestly don't see your postings as being THAT wicked. But then, that's probably because others don't know you as the kind-hearted, easy going, marshmallowy, fluffy, cupcakey guy that you are.


Anovus

[anova (anova)]

Oh, and Cape Cod,

In regards to your assisting Arguendo. Please don't. She's just desperately seeking attention.

Her words are really a cry for help.


Anovus

[arguendo (arguendo)]

Anovus:

Osculare pultem meam!

[anova (anova)]

Arguendo,

Quis caveam tuam quassit?

[arguendo (arguendo)]

Antiquis temporibus, nati tibi similes in rupibus ventosissimis exponebantur ad necem

[anova (anova)]

Quis est qui inquit?

[ralphwells (ralphwells)]

Alright guys, everyone knows if you are going to speak in tongues someone must interpret!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

[anova (anova)]

Ralph,

Verveces tui similes pro ientaculo mihi appositi sunt!

[ralphwells (ralphwells)]

Shondala kee may kay!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

[dinaweena (dinaweena)]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! oh...sorry.....http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/crazy.gif

[herroyalhighness (herroyalhighness)]

Anovus,

La sua volgarità di note ci stupisce anche!

(Not Latin - but it's close.)

[ralphwells (ralphwells)]

Daughter, you had better be more respctful, I was nearly spiritual there.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

[anova (anova)]

HRH, Ralph, dinaweena,

I appreciate your involvement, here, BUT. You see, Arguendo is like a gentle fawn, easily frightened away. I'm afraid your participation in our Latin conversation means we will not see her on this thread for a time.


Anovus

[dinaweena (dinaweena)]

perhaps if we offer some sweet greens or grains....maybe the 'gentle fawn' would return. So funny, I thought of her as more of a "BUCK"....

[ralphwells (ralphwells)]

Anovuhilariatus - as the Cos would say, rrrriiiiiiggghhht!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

[herroyalhighness (herroyalhighness)]

The image of a salt lick comes to mind...but I think that "lure them in" tactic is more appropriate elsewhere! Besides, I don't think Arg would fall for that one at this stage!
Besides, Anovasarcasticus, we are considering the source!!!

[anova (anova)]

I have NO idea what you are talking about.

[c_la_verite (c_la_verite)]

linda kern... awww come on, can't you go back to using ethel mertz? it made me feel good everytime i saw you post. i always liked fred and ethel... talk about divine design!

anovus says (au sujet de cape cod)
"kind-hearted, easy going, marshmallowy, fluffy, cupcakey guy"

sounds like a recipe for pavement pizza!

[anova (anova)]

arguendo,

Have you ever heard of Henry Beard's book Latin For All Occasions?

hhhmmm?

[linda_kern (linda_kern)]

c-----I changed servers and to sign back on here I had to use another name. I guess I wasn't too creative this time!

[arguendo (arguendo)]

I hate Latin

[arguendo (arguendo)]

bIjatlh 'e' yImev

[anova (anova)]

naDevvo' yIghoS

[minutus (minutus)]

OK, that does it! Mutfak ufak farkat farketmez!

[pressing_on (pressing_on)]

"supercalafragalisticexpialadocious"

[jim_kennedy (jim_kennedy)]

De Larong Kantoot.

[cape_cod (cape_cod)]

Anovus said:

"I must comment. I have surprised at the outpouring of comments on the outrageousness of your postings. There are times I feel a bit guilty about the level of tastelessnes and sarcasm in my own postings. I was relieved not to be named along with you.

It's funny, I honestly don't see your postings as being THAT wicked. But then, that's probably because others don't know you as the kind-hearted, easy going, marshmallowy, fluffy, cupcakey guy that you are."

- Anovus, you're doing what so many do here on FACTNet, misquoting what was actually said. You stated that you're surprised at the outpouring of comments on the outrageousness of my postings. WHAT outpouring may I ask? ONE comment is suddenly some type of outpouring? I never saw anything concerning my postings being outrageousness either? Whitehorses clearly said that I had a "wicked sense of humor" and NOT that my postings were wicked.

You said that you were relieved not to be named along with me. I certainly hope that this is your attempt at humor. Well, it worked for me as I cetainly got a chuckle out of it. Oh, and you should feel guilty about the level of tastelessnes and sarcasm in your postings. Actually, you should be feeling very ashamed to be used by the devil in this way.

As far as your description of my personality as: "kind-hearted, easy going, marshmallowy, fluffy, cupcakey guy." - well, I'm NOT exactly sure that description of me is very accurate whatsoever. Just what kind of characteristics are marshmallowy, fluffy, and cupcakey anyway!?!?

I have heard of numerous people upset by your postings, or should I say rantings and ravings!? Look, the bottom line is, have you NO shame!?

Anovus, I am seriously considering giving your address and phone number to ANYONE interested.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif

(Message edited by cape cod on May 06, 2005)

[ralphwells (ralphwells)]

Joe - What does Anovus know? 283 letters can hardly be called an "outpouring."

But I did find the following note on the sidewalk, I think the mailman could not find your house so I posted it here for your reading.

"Joe,

This is Guido family the enforcer,

I want that Anovus guys address, the boss want me to send him a fish rolled up in a news paper. You see the boss has a nice pair of shoe for him, made out of the finest Sicilian sand and Portland mix. He will look quite stylish, if I do say so myself.

Chio Baby,

Guido"

Just wanted to be faithful and pass that along Joe.

PS - If Anovuscondemedess finds out call me Schultz, "I know nothing."

[yogi (yogi)]

Costa Nostra?

[ralphwells (ralphwells)]

Yes Yogi. If it were La Familia I would have signed Miguel. Buenos dias amigo.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

[herroyalhighness (herroyalhighness)]

In Calabria = la 'ndrangheta

[j_graz (j_graz)]

alright...I give up

Utinam logica falsa tuam philosophiam totam suffodiant!

[j_graz (j_graz)]

As for you Ralph....my family would say...(if they spoke latin and not Italian)

Faciem durum cacantis habes

[ralphwells (ralphwells)]

Careful, or I will sic Edit and da Meathead on you!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

[j_graz (j_graz)]

aujeze overdere you

[ralphwells (ralphwells)]

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif