Just wondering

[dragged_thru_mud (dragged_thru_mud)]

OK a lot of stories have been posted here by people that are hurting. That is understandable.

Did you consider that what you are doing here in your anger is hurting people too???

[lana (lana)]

Dragged..We are not angry, after yrs of being in a cult, we are helping each other to heal. Our experiences are real. We all put ChS and the leadership before Christ. We entered in to a works program, and legalism, protrayed as the greatest church on earth. It was powerful. Once you are out, you will find yourself empty. We all here are rebuilding our lives and see it as it is. Truth hurts sometime.

[karen (karen)]

DTM-I have tried to resist negativity and ministry bashing all these months that I've been posting. But I have a dear friend who left Baltimore a year ago and is struggling for her survival. She is on the verge of drowning. Dear God, it is time for you to mete out justice. It is time for us to esteem the little ones above the wolves. What pathetic justification--winning souls at the expense of souls.

[giselle (giselle)]

I believe that the "leadership" really doesn't care or know how the average believer is dealing with all this. Seeing people so hurt, upset, angry, torn apart, alone, and wounded is sad and painful. Jesus would go after them, love them, and care for them.

[nonotone (nonotone)]

I'm angry at times about what I witnessed (and continue to withness) and experienced in 9 years of GGWO involvement. I'm not afraid to own my anger for it is part of an honest grieving process. Many of us are expressing this here because it is healthy and reflects God's wonder of created humanity in us.

The leaders in GGWO are *not* Jesus or the Apostles, they are men like us who are, in they own waying seeking God according the pattern they have been taught. They have, in many cases and many ways chosen *not* to operate in restorative humlity toward those who challenge their presuppositions and actions.

Anger is part of our "work" here on FN.


Brian Bowman
John 3:21

[mercyreigns (mercyreigns)]

I personally am not angry although righteous anger does have its place. I have people I love still in Gg and am hoping that posting the Truth about what is going on will bring repentance or free others.

We all were gradually robbed of our critical thinking skills while being taught critical thinking. It is quite bizarre.

Yes God allowed it but He allows JWs and mormons and Jim Jones also. We have a responsibility to speak out when people are manipulated, families are torn apart, monies are being used inappropriately, heresy is being taught, generations of children hurt and continuing on.

We have a responsibility before God. No, we are not mad, we are righteously angry as God is when the poor, weak, needy, anyone is treated or taught contrary to His very Word.

Remember there are wolves who want to devour the sheep. Jesus rebuked them publicly so did Paul.

We are simply stating our personal experiences not hearsay but things we personally witnessed. How is that hurting people? They don't know unless they come and read them and if they come and read them it's because they want to know.

Nancy Curra

[pressing_on (pressing_on)]

I love what Christ said best "one soul is worth all the world" It does not say one unsaved soul it says one soul.
He values each individual soul worth far more than the world.
Wish the leaders would share His same heartbeat.
I forgot some of them can't do that in thier own home, they are to busy trying to save the world, which is Christs job anyway, while thier family suffers. Christs says if they can't take care of thier own affairs how can they care for others.

[preston (preston)]

Anger is a God-given emotion. It is also a necessary step in the grieving process. There is a time and a place for it, DTM. It is raw and it is honest. Those "hurt" by it's truth should search themselves.

Through the vehicle of guilt and the label of “subjectivity” Greater Grace suppressed our God given right to identify and experience emotion. It produced weak minds. It fed doubt. It kept us dependent on a man for interpretation.

Scripture is replete with emotion, anger included.

[jeannie (jeannie)]

I agree Karen! I am outraged for my dear friend also. No one should have to suffer for following the True Shepherd. I know my Savior sees the blood of His precious one on their hands. I think if Tom Schaller could just glimpse for a moment the "blood stained legacy" he is promoting, he would fall on his knees and repent. That is my prayer .. Dear Lord, open the eyes of the blinded that battered the sheep in Your name, give them heart of a true shepherd; impress on their heart it is time to put down the shovel, the work is not more important than Your tender sheep. In Jesus's name, Amen.

Tom Schaller made a reference today about maybe sometime in the future he would get on his camel and retrieve a lost brother. I could not help but find this a startling contrast to the heart of Jesus. He leaves the ninety-nine for the one.... he doesn't continue the work when just one is lost. GG is like the communists.. where the work and regime is more important than the individual. It is they who have lost their way.. they no longer can hear the shepherd's voice. They discount the voices of hurting sheep, they believe the sheep are less worthy than the work.

Andrew Peterson's The Ninety and Nine:

Lyrics:
There were ninety and nine that safely lay
In the shelter of the fold
But one was out on the hills away
Far off from the gates of gold
Away on the mountains, wild and bare
Away from the tender shepherd's care
Away from the tender shepherd's care

"Lord, Thou hast here Thy ninety and nine
Are they not enough for Thee"
But the shepherd made answer
"This of mine has wandered far from me
And though the road be rough and steep
I go to the desert to find my sheep
I go to the desert to find my sheep"

But none of the ransomed ever knew
How deep were the waters crossed
Nor how dark was the night that the Lord passed through
Ere He found His sheep that was lost
Out in the desert He heard its cry
Sick and helpless and ready to die
Sick and helpless and ready to die

But all through the mountains, thunder riven
And up from the rocky steep
There rose a glad cry at the gates of Heaven
"Rejoice, I have found my sheep!"
And the angels echoed around the throne
"Rejoice for the Lord brings back His own!
Rejoice for the Lord brings back His own!"

[muskyrose (muskyrose)]

Dear Drag.. You wrote ..."OK a lot of stories have been posted here by people that are hurting. That is understandable.
Did you consider that what you are doing here in your anger is hurting people too???" ...

When we happen to cut our hand, one of the first things we do is clean the wound. We don't just slap a bandaid on it. We make sure there is nothing inside that will cause infection. We apply antibiotic ointment and then cover it, protecting it from dirt and germs. We know that if left untreated the possibility of that cut getting worse is great, complications can arise and things can go from bad to worse very quickly all because we ignored it.

In essence our mental well being is the same as our physical and spiritual well being. All too often we tend to forget that important piece of us and when emotional wounds such as what is/has happened at tbs/ggwo occur our first response is to ignore that "wound". We think if we just pray about it or keep quiet about it, it will go away.

But guess what? It doesn't really. Oh it may appear to for a time but unless one really and truely works on cleaning out that wound it wont heal. One of the ways to aid the healing process is by talking and sharing. Telling your story, sharing your hurt and even getting angry if that is what is needed. It's ok to be angry. That's what healing is about.

As far as hurting innocent people..comeon do you REALLY think the leaders at GGWO are innocent? For too long many of those who left have not had a chance to publicly say the things they can say now. For many it is a catharsis. A chance to really heal. Why would you want to stop those voices now? Does it make you uncomfortable?

I don't believe innocent people are being dragged through the mud. Perhaps those people who are being named are actually being given a chance to make things right. All it takes is 2 simple little words. But I doubt you will ever hear them from the lips of those in charge at ggwo.

So my dear drag please understand, anger in the form expressed, most of the time, on here is productive because it helps the person cleanse the hurts he/she has been carrying around for a long time. It serves a purpose. Thank God for giving us voices.

<>>>>>>>>------Bonnie

[jayso (jayso)]

I agree with Muskyrose. Will the person who started this thread please respond? If you are hurt by someone's angry post, be specific and address the person who wrote in anger who offended you. What hurt you? People's stories are tesitmonies of what they experienced. If you have an issue with them, speak up and make it known. Only then can true healing come for all. Being cagey and elusive can only cause more anger to be expressed. Get it out in the open! -Jay

[david_munson (david_munson)]

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Eph:4:26 be angry and sin not.
Anger against sin is appropriate.
That's all I need to say here.

Baruch Habbah Hashem Adonia,
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