The Manifestation

[mercyreigns (mercyreigns)]

Schaller was talking about what happened after the service. Apparently nearly everyone stood on their chairs and clapped their plastic hands and blew bullhorns.

There was cheering, recklessness and overall frenzy. Actually this had to be a good thing for those whose spiritual eyes are opening to see such a display.

They did sing and also pray. They were caught up in some sort of "manifestation" that was fueled by inside and outside forces.

I was not there. This is an eyewitness report. I am not prepared to say it was not of God or that the people involved didn't have pure hearts.

Only God knows what really was going on. But that is the manifestation Schaller stated in the message he spoke the next day. He also inferred once again how all who left are infected, sorry not inferred, he said it.

It is in the archives. Friday morning last speaker was Schaller. Best to just skip to him, the rest will take too long to hear and frankly it was more of the same.

This is a sad situation. But I have made a decision to trust the New Affiliation after personal conversations by phone and emails with pastors and others.

They are determined to give Jesus Christ the glory and go forward putting the past behind but rectifying and have and are repenting to others.

They have been honest with their local churches and honest with me. They are not accountable to me yet they took the time to call and email.

No double talk, but straight talk, answered all my questions, didn't play dodge ball with me and respected me.

They have demonstrated true Godliness and have encouraged me and some are even coming to see me even though I am hours away from them.

Nancy Curra

[giselle (giselle)]

mercyreigns,

Many of the precious missionaries can attest that there was no frenzy going on after service on Thursday but true hearts of prayer, worship, and rejoicing. Also, On Friday there was also quite a time of singing and worship going on after the service. Again, I can only speak for those who are sincere and honest, maybe even not aware of all that is going on at "home base."

[mercyreigns (mercyreigns)]

Giselle all I know is what I was told by a Bible college student who is very much ingrained in GG. Those were her words not mine.

"I was not there. This is an eyewitness report. I am not prepared to say it was not of God or that the people involved didn't have pure hearts.

Only God knows what really was going on. But that is the manifestation Schaller stated in the message he spoke the next day. He also inferred once again how all who left are infected, sorry not inferred, he said it." This was my response. I hope you read my entire post.



Nancy

(Message edited by mercyreigns on June 25, 2005)

[mercyreigns (mercyreigns)]

Giselle the message is archived. Listen to Friday morning when Schaller spoke. I am only communicating what I was told and what I heard for myself in the archives.

[whitehorses (whitehorses)]

i want to know... what on gods green eartth is a plastic hand?

[dinaweena (dinaweena)]

they are these two hands that when you shake them in the air they clap together....MAN are they ANNOYING!!! I was there on THursday....I saw everyone standing on thier chairs, cheering loudly and waving the clappers. I was very aware of the smell of B.O. an cigarettes. I walked into the chapel, saw the craziness, and walked back out. I don't know about any 'manifestation'( i.e. slain in the spirit) but it definitely looked loony in there!

[whitehorses (whitehorses)]

thanks for the definition dinaweena.
i thought it was some kind of prosthetic device.

[jayso (jayso)]

Whitehorses, you made me laugh! I mentioned in another post that the plastic hands remind me of Hare Krishna little cymbols that they clap together to make a noise. Maybe plastic hands will be the distinguishing factor of GGWO churches. I imagine GG people at airports waving their "plastic hands" for Jesus! LOL http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

[mrsdrysdale (mrsdrysdale)]

whitehorses, I think the plastic hand mini bank model is available too. They are actually little banks and you can deposit money into them...that is why they make so much noise. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/proud.gif

[mercyme (mercyme)]

whitehorses, you are a riot

I've been out of Baltimore for some time.
What happened to Robinson, where did he go, and when?

[hurt_and_wounded (hurt_and_wounded)]

hes been helping with steve's stevens' new church and then probably moving to FLA

[bjerwin (bjerwin)]

Isn't a manifestation... like seeing an image... like Mary.. or something? Did they "see" something? I am so confused... (oh, something new)... LOL

Maybe it was that after CHS's crazy hateful message they finally saw him as he is?

(Message edited by bjerwin on June 27, 2005)

[bob_brinton (bob_brinton)]

Even if worship in the Spirit is very profound and genuine, it doesn't guarantee the reliability of the messages or 'prophetic' words given. Wherever you go, whoever you listen to, everything must be weighed and carefully considered. An accurate last word doesn't guarantee accuracy in the next one.

[mrsdrysdale (mrsdrysdale)]

BJ, a manifestation could be anything from laughing and feeling the joy of God to seeing someone's head spin around like a top.....well, not really the spinning head............ LOL

[calv (calv)]

what is all the noise about???

New International Version (NIV)

Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society



Daniel 3

The Image of Gold and the Fiery Furnace
*** 1 King Nebuchadnezzar made an image of gold, ninety feet high and nine feet [a] wide, and set it up on the plain of Dura in the province of Babylon. 2 He then summoned the satraps, prefects, governors, advisers, treasurers, judges, magistrates and all the other provincial officials to come to the dedication of the image he had set up. 3 So the satraps, prefects, governors, advisers, treasurers, judges, magistrates and all the other provincial officials assembled for the dedication of the image that King Nebuchadnezzar had set up, and they stood before it.

*** 4 Then the herald loudly proclaimed, "This is what you are commanded to do, O peoples, nations and men of every language: 5 As soon as you hear the sound of the horn, flute, zither, lyre, harp, pipes and all kinds of music, you must fall down and worship the image of gold that King Nebuchadnezzar has set up. 6 Whoever does not fall down and worship will immediately be thrown into a blazing furnace."

[sojourner (sojourner)]

Incredible precise analogy Calv, eerily phrophetic too....
Don't the ego based kingdoms in this world and in the church throw anyone in the fire who will not surrender their lives, their walk with the living God, to the work of mens hands.
Isn't so good to make this clear distinction and choose God over man, freedom over bondage, life over death.
Calv you used the scriptures above not as a hollow quote but as an understanding communication -It's a case of the verse showing what you want to share with words that couldn't be improved upon with any elaboration.
People let all kinds of noise and distraction keep them from the shocking gift of encountering God in an intimate, mind blowing way.
The still small voice is too threatening to people, it may mean having to stand alone and go against the flow that liars purport to be the exclusive movement of God on the earth.
Thanks again Mr. Calv,

[calv (calv)]

and now you know
the rest of the story

[newcreation (newcreation)]

And then there was an effort to recapture the "manifestation" on Friday and Saturday night, but it wasn't happening quite like Thursday. One Baltimore person said they were "honoring" P. Schaller. That they hadn't really celebrated at having him as chief elder and Thursday night was that.
My observation is this. The moment we arrived for Convention those still in Baltimore were expressing the difficulty they've been through. They were happy to have people arriving; it was a show to them that they are still loved. They don't really know why so many have left and it has been communicated that those that have left or are leaving are off, evil, jealous, etc. So those still in there are stunned that so many from among them were so "crazy". Someone said to me that they were happy that I hadn't gone "crazy". I assured them that I could. Anyway, the "manifestation" I believe, was a release for those in Baltimore. They have gone crazy. Casting off restraint has been dubbed free in the spirit. It all looked worshipful and for some reason, I was an onlooker. I prayed and wondered if this was a move of God, how is it that I'm not 'caught' up in this worship.
Anyway, let's continue to pray for those remaining in Baltimore. Word is that many were waiting for Conventions end to leave. Saturday's ordination, gave almost 60 men licenses to preach, about 10 with associate's and a couple, were fully ordained as pastors. Telling here is the 60 or so. The exodus has left a void that they are needing to fill.}

[calv (calv)]

the manifestation
just what they need
fresh signs and wonders
keep em convinced
is it the spirit
thats manifest
as real as they think
how far will it go
this is so great
a new move of god
just the right time
bolster the troops
give them new hope
how long will it last
how far will it go
just wait and see
how powerful it is
deception is deep
it takes control
under its spell
the damage it does
what will you do
now that you see
whats going on
how were decived

[brie (brie)]

Newcreation: Interesting observation of an out-of-towner coming in for convention. I also spoke to some who had come to see for themselves and were staying with "still in" GG Baltimore friends. The Baltimore folks were, of course trying hard to make them see that all the rumours of trouble were nonsence and we are in revival; that this is the best convention in history; that God made his presence known and let Baltimore know that they are in His favor and the dissidents are under demonic influencem, so good riddance to those who left, we are better off without them. Get the gist?

And get this - I was introduced to a family from Florida who stressed that they were from "the good part of Florida, not the bad part" - wink wink.

There were also miraculous healings at the convention. At last night's service, Schaller asked those to stand up who had been physically healed and a bunch stood up. He then went on to tell of a woman who came with a cyst on her face, and when she left it was gone and her doctor was baffled.

[david_munson (david_munson)]

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It was probably some bit of food that fell of at an opportune moment.

Hype it up.

Dave</font>}

[hey_you (hey_you)]

Brie and newcreation. Not all of those License to Preach Certificates were accepted or were requested by all whose names were called. Some were given to them without any notification or warning. More damage control and another way to tighten the lease if you ask me.
Munson that was hilarious.
Daved,
I really appreciated those jokes you posted. Definitely medicine for the soul.

[david_munson (david_munson)]

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Thank you

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[jasper (jasper)]

Speaking of the license to preach, of course we know that no one needs a license to preach. Legally, anyone can stand on a street corner and preach. It is something the church made up. I wonder if there is a fee attached? Yes, it tightens the cords tighter and puffs up those that need that feeling of importance.

[jasper (jasper)]

Speaking of the license to preach, of course we know that no one needs a license to preach. Legally, anyone can stand on a street corner and preach. It is something the church made up. I wonder if there is a fee attached? Yes, it tightens the cords tighter and puffs up those that need that feeling of importance.

[anova (anova)]

newcreation,

Thanks so much for the account of the convention!! I was wondering if we were really going hear anything? Your perspective seems very thoughtful and discerning.

Any other thoughts on it?

Thank you!!

Anovus

[brie (brie)]

Can someone fill me on what happened with Pastor Cloutier? I gather he did something to feel the wrath of the orange toupee.

[mercyreigns (mercyreigns)]

I thought he spoke at convention brie?

[brie (brie)]

He may have - I was referring to the Convention Messages thread where Hodeuon talks about a Grace Hour where CHS is ranting about if Cloutier has a problem, let him call him. Anyone know what this was about?

[newcreation (newcreation)]

Anovus,
While at Convention I typed a day by day post and have saved it, not sure if I should post it. Am still considering.
Will say this much, we left realizing we'll not return next year.}

[brie (brie)]

Hey I like the plastic hands motif for GG. "Plastic hands for plastic people." Kind of says it all, huh?

Speaking of visitors' reaction to convention, I'll post here what I just posted on another thread about some visitors I sat with at a service.

Too bad we didn't have some bumper stickers printed up with "Don't blame me, I voted for Stenger" and put them on some of the socalled "million" cars on the lot at convention.

[brie (brie)]

Amen to all the info stated about Love and I'll add my 2 cents. I only went to one convention service with a family member and some visitors and even the visitors remarked on his boastful attitude, and how everytime he was at the mic, he just had to throw out slurs about "the nay-sayers" and how "we'll show them" until he had the audience clapping and snickering along with him. One of the visitors just couldn't believe the in-your-face "spirit" they saw there and even remarked on how the speakers "just couldn't let it go" and that it was far from being Godly. Another teenage visitor also remarked on the irony of his name and said he should change it to Pastor Hate. So much for the "manifestation."

I can't even say "you had to be there." "You had to be one of them" is more accurate. Schaller, Scibelli, and Love.

Love was also one of Schaller's major campaigners, and went to great lengths to let anyone he could influence know that the "right man" had been railroaded and he was not going to let it happen!

Anyway, after that service, I skipped the rest of convention.

[lana (lana)]

Yes, Newcreation, please post everything on a new thread. We've heard so little.We need to know, we have "diehards still in there., family. Do you have an e-mail add.? Did CHS speak?

[mercyreigns (mercyreigns)]

O Brie you made me laugh http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif bumper stickers... and plasticity is my word for it. The sad part is the poor people don't even realize. We must pray God will open their eyes as He has graciously opened ours.

Newcreation if you are led by God to post I would be interested also. thanks.

Nancy Curra

[bjerwin (bjerwin)]

Brie said "Too bad we didn't have some bumper stickers printed up with "Don't blame me, I voted for Stenger" and put them on some of the socalled "million" cars on the lot at convention"

Funny, funny, funny. God I love to laugh hearty. Thank you Brie. Hope you are coming to the reunion.

[herroyalhighness (herroyalhighness)]

Sorry...been away for a while. I'm a bit confused because I thought that TS was now the "Pastah" and that Pastah was sort of retired. Then I heard that CHS showed up at convention, went to the stage and prayed and that an adoring crowd formed around him. Is he still attempting to be "the man" when he is well enough to stand upright and put a few words together?

the Queen

[david_munson (david_munson)]

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In the words of Elton John;
it's a sad,sad situation.

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[dinaweena (dinaweena)]

IN the words of my brother Dwayne (to the tune of we didn't start the fire by billy joel);

I didn't fart you lair!
I just had gas but it already passed...

sorry....it's late and that's the first thing that came to my mind :-)

[david_munson (david_munson)]

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif

[alien (alien)]

Manifestatitons?

falling down
laughter
crying
new toungues
filled with the Holy Spirit
saved people
gifts of the Holy Spirit
renewal

[heather (heather)]

dinaweena roflmaohttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif