Ugly rumors to hurt people taking money from the church

[dancer (dancer)]

I never thought I say this publically but now I think I have to.

Talk about misuse of money and spreading lies.

People close to me have been telling me that indivduals including people from Thom Schallars family have been telling people that I am gay (which is humorous to me) and that I have AIDS.

They kept telling my children and wife that they could get what I had. When they had letters from doctors knowing exactly what I had. How much sickier does it get than that?

I had wondered why my kids were saying some of things they were saying. Now I know.

This with the full knowledge I am neither. During the last few months in my seperation my medical records were released to my wifes lawyer and shows all the illness I had. What I had and what was the cause.

They suggested to my children and my wife that it was so. They being different people from GGWO.

The medical records were literly in their hands.

I called my sister in law when I went into the hospital and told them what I had and how to get hold of me. They started saying things that were so untrue including to my children it is unreal.

My family has been telling me that it is there understanding that Thom Schaller is using his money and the money from the church to help bury me in court and keep me from my children.

Where does it end?

Why hurt somebodes kids like this?

[dancer (dancer)]

Just for the record in case somebody misunderstood. I am not saying my sister in law said something wrong.

I am saying people were telling my wife and children that they could get what I had by being in the same room with me.

When I was in the hospital they knew I was there, my wifes family knew and they never called me or my doctor to discuss it. They just assumed what they wanted to, to scare my kids and wife.

If I was dying tommorow they would tell my wife that if she got near me or my kids did they would get it. Even if it was a tumor in my head and they had the cat scans in front of them.

[itstimetomoveon (itstimetomoveon)]

Neil sorry to hear these stories. I really think that you need to stop the dirty laundry display here on factnet. That is my thoughts and nothing more. I hope that you do get yourself together. That you still know all things work together for good. Even if it's far from your comprehension sometimes.
I am sure that with all your legal problems it is not the best idea to display these things in an open forum such as Factnet. They can use it against you. Please understand I wish the best for you and your continual growth away from what ever it is that is keeping you in bondage.

[dancer (dancer)]

Actually I thought long and hard about this.

This is the kind of stuff that GGWO thrives on.

They want people to back down when they seem to have the upper hand or can say something that makes the other person look bad.

My children are now pawns in a chess game.

I think people who walk into GGWO see my children and realize what is being said to them, or when a Sunday School worker hears one of them saying something they will think twice about going along with the flow and look the other way.

I want nothing to hurt my wife and my children. Nothing! People who would try to intentionally hurt them for the sake of winning points are sick puppies.

At some point the world needs to know.

This isn't a Don Henly song. This is real life and no child deserves to be treated like this.

The world around them needs to know. I would be naive after what I have been through to think the legal system will automatically fix it.

My bondage?? Don't follow. We are talking about my children being fed lies by those from GGWO.

[calv (calv)]

don't air the dirty laundry
its makin me sick
cover it up
or throw it away
what does it matter
do you see what he's saying
is he tellin the truth
nothings made up
the truth is the truth
why run and hide
pretend its not true
take a good look
does it make you uncomfortable
push it away
walk by and look
the trouble their in
just stand and watch
like a train wreck
in slow motion
whats it about
this ****
you profess
where is your heart
what is your treasure
how do you measure
what you know
and you dont

[lana (lana)]

Dancer, it isn't easy to pour out your heart. This isn't dirty laundry, but seeking godly understanding in your hour of need. Who of us know when we will need the same understanding and love. You have mine.

[dancer (dancer)]

Thank You Lana it has been a hard day to swallow all I heard. I feel helpless against a big monster that manipulates little children.

All I see is Keri and my children in my eyes.

I wouldn't hurt my worse enemy like this.

[nomansman (nomansman)]

dancer it can't be easy to talk about this on FN

don't worry if it is dirty laundry then it's not yours but GGWO's and let's face it someone needs to hang out their dirty laundry. they will certainly never do it themselves.

I will pray that you are able to come through this victorious whatever the outcome

[lana (lana)]

Dancer, Its not easy to look, UP, in situations like yours. I had to when my dear son was diagnost with colon cancer two yrs ago. Two operations, wearing a Bag, radiation, Chemo. So far he is doing well , has a cat scan in August. Hes a 20 yr. navy vet. I love him so much. He lives one hour and 1/2 away, but drives 2 to 3 times a week to see me. I tried to look up all through it. He wanted me to.He was more worried about me than himself. Your children need you to look up, God will work it out, we can't.He is faithful who promised.

[sojourner (sojourner)]

Lana,
How old was your son at the time of his diagnosis, I know someone going in for the test soon and was wondering. I hope he is doing well. Does he have a family, children.
How many children do you have?

[sojourner (sojourner)]

Hi Dancer,
You are not in bondage but several people in GG are trying to make your life a prison and your family are the victims from what I read.
I do think you should be careful about anything that could hurt you legally, but I do not believe you are in bondage, unless it is to identification with suffering and compassion.
Patricia

[sojourner (sojourner)]

Dancer,
I read the ages of your four children in another post, from 2 to 19. How your heart must ache.
I am thankful we can be here for you.

[dancer (dancer)]

I cannot tell you how much this hurts. In the last few weeks I have really been built up by what has happened with the things that have gone on at GGWO and with the things that have happened with my family.

But my heart is torn up that my children are the pawns in a chess game that is now wider than a divorce.

No church should be involved in tearing up a family or hurting one of the spouses in a divorce. It is not the business of the church.

[sojourner (sojourner)]

Dancer,
I wrote what I thought about the nature of that issue under your thread about the ministry of reconciliation. I do not want to rewrite or cut and paste but you can read it there. I have some definate thoughts and feelings about the subject.
I hope your day is flooded with new hope and peace about all that is going on.
God really is above it all and keeps us through it all.
It can still be well with our souls.
Love,
Patricia

[dancer (dancer)]

Patricia,

I can only trust God in these things as best as I can. I hope that somehow he will hear my prayers and find a way to keep the damage from happening.

In JT's song fire and rain there is that refrain of "Jesus you got to help me make a stand" is where I am at.

[itstimetomoveon (itstimetomoveon)]

"Its not easy to look, UP,"
"God will work it out, we can't. He is faithful who promised."
Amen Lana
sweet words,
thank you for your precious heart.

(Message edited by itstimetomoveon on July 03, 2005)

[calv (calv)]

Neil

Youre standing
the best that you can
youve come a long way
theres along way to go
truth be told
your up front
leading the way
we see your heart
and feel your pain
your not alone
things are getting better
its just hard to see
the forest thru the trees

keep trudgeing.....!

[dancer (dancer)]

Thanks Calv

[gone_to_pa (gone_to_pa)]

My brother,
Dancer, the Bible clearly states that those who would do harm to children, whether it be physical or emotional abuse that it would be better for them if they tied a millstone around their neck and throw themselves into the ocean(parphrase me) I'll tell you what happened to me once, and I pray it will give you hope. I came home from the PENN and my son's mother had told my son a pile of lies, along with others. I hadn't seen my son in two years. I was clean and sober and wanted despertaley to talk to him. I could have riden up to where they were living like John Wayne and beat everybody up, and got to talk to my son, but I knew that wasn't God's way. So I prayed for another year, until one day my son's mother found her long lost family on the internet. She went to meet her brothers and father. All her brothers welcomed her, but her father who was dying of cancer refused her an audience. Told her she has 28 yrs to come see him and she didn't so he didn't see the sense in it now. When she came back from Colorado, she told my son that all those years she wasted not spending time with her dad and now it was to late. She then instructed him to come and visit with me, before it was to late for him. I say all this to say, I couldn't have arranged those circumstances in my wildest dreams, but God arranged them. Prayer right now is the most powerful weapon you have. " The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much" I also would give you the counsel to not say a thing on this site that might come back to bite you in a legal proceeding. One of the things that God says He hates is, " a false witness that speaks lies"(Prv 6:19) I'll tell you something my friend I would not want to be something or someone that God hates. I have learned in life that people that say false things about you are just trying to take the light off themselves. Could this be the case? My brother I will be praying that the Lord gives you wisdom and discerment in this matter. No, there is no low,low enough that they will not stoop to, so get that in your head now. Don't be suprised at anything because when the enemy has overun the camp you get to really see how many were just waiting for the perfect oppurtunty to be a desserter. They remind me of the Publicans. This is not very biblical but I have always been a firm believer in what goes around comes around.( hey maybe that might fall in the catagory of you reap what you sow) Their day will come, just don't say or do anything stupid. I say that in love. When it comes to our children, we can get caught up in the moment and do something that we would regret for years. Stay calm, cool, and collected, and know that many are praying on your behalf. Believe me when i say, they are waiting for you to do one stupid thing, so as to make you out to be the bad guy, to make you out to be everything that they accuse you of. They have aligned themselves with the accuser of the brethren. It might look good for them for a season, but we all know who wins in the end.

Love you in Christ
A Pastor who has gone to PA

[dancer (dancer)]

Guys I will be in Baltimore on August 6th, 7th, 8th.

Some good things have happened for me legally. It will be a long process in Maryland. But it is starting to move. Something I never thought would happen.

Please keep me in your prayers for what happens here.