Rape Christmas

[no_touch_love (no_touch_love)]

http://liquidwaves.blogspot.com/2005/12/liberals-need-to-die.html#comments

[orangetwopay (orangetwopay)]

it IS pretty sick how people get all worked up about people saying the word Christmas...

the word offends them.

don't bow to PC BS!

[luvliberty (luvliberty)]

who is actually getting worked up?

[dinaweena (dinaweena)]

ummm....Target stores, for example. They had banned thier employees from using the term

[orangetwopay (orangetwopay)]

well, there's this:
http://www.theheraldbulletin.com/story.asp?id=17339

and this:
http://www.shns.com/shns/g_index2.cfm?action=detail&pk=HART-12-15-05

and this:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002670045_webholidaymenus07.html

and this:
http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/12/82005a.asp

and this:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1667606,00.html (http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0%2C12271%2C1667606%2C00.html)

there are many more stories out there.

[luvliberty (luvliberty)]

it seems more are offended by the phrase "happy Holidays" than Merry Christmas.

[no_touch_love (no_touch_love)]

it's because the other so called holidays don't mean dic k! setting cow crap on fire! (think about that one for a moment)

[luvliberty (luvliberty)]

not that i even understand what you are saying but...easter? the resurrection has no meaning? or are you referring to something else?

[no_touch_love (no_touch_love)]

...at this time of the year numb nuts, if we are talking holidays all year then yes happy holidays is fine! but what other holiday do you deck out a tree and put the friggin' CHRISTmas star up on top of it for? we're talking about taking CHRIST out of chritmas so that the jews, muslims and every other loser who wants to have a holiday around now can feel good about their being wrong!

[luvliberty (luvliberty)]

no me gustan sus palabras... necesita tener más respeto para otros... you small minded bigot creep

[no_touch_love (no_touch_love)]

Ah-blah En-GLACE there Jerky!

So if some moron is worshiping a stick or a cow we just wish him well so as not to offend his BS? Then in turn defending it, and making it our own! Perhaps that's how 98% of you got sucked into a cult in the first place!?

Perhaps if someone said, "gee, Carl, god bless him, is a piece of garbage. here's why...!" some might have taken it to heart rather than Nancying around in their feel good BS that got them to where they are now!

MERRRRY HAPPY HOLLOWDAYS TA ALL AND TA ALL A GOOD NIGHT!

[mercyreigns (mercyreigns)]

what is nancying around mean? is it a reference to a person or is it an expression? thanks

Nancy

[luvliberty (luvliberty)]

nancy, i have been thoroughly confused by that posters comments as well but when asked about it there is a lot more mumbo jumbo...



No one is saying you have to celebrate holidays you feel are not christian but this country is founded on freedom of religion... apparently the founding fathers thought that to be important enough to ensure for all... so who are you to act as though you have more wisdom?
It is not bowing to anothers type of worship to wish them well in their endeavors...
by the way, I really do not think Jesus would be acting as you are... he tried to reach out to all. isn't that what being christian is about? following Jesus example to the best of our ability? also... I thought God was the judge...

[dinaweena (dinaweena)]

while I agree with the heart of what you are saying luvliberty, the crux of the issue seems to be more than just about the words. People have a hard time with the words 'Merry Christmas' because they say it connotes a religious holiday. Yet Chanukkah is also a religious holiday and no one is against saying it publicly. Ramadan is a religious holiday yet it's not "offensive' for it to be talked about publicly. Thr point is that right of the few should not outweigh the rights of the majority. Christmas doesn't HAVE to be religious...just like Easter doesn't have to be religious (Santa and easter bunny)....those holidays (holy-days) can have the same titles and carry totally different meanings to different people without there being squabbles about not having words said publicly that have "Christ" in them. Christmas doesn't even SOUND like Christ so why should people be offended by it?! If the stores came out and said that they will no longer pander to ANY religiously titled holiday, then everyone would be treated equal. The fact of the matter is, for some reason, it's ok to be anti-Christian in this country, but if you are 'anti' any other religion or practice, you are a bigot. That is hypocrisy in it's highest form. You can't single out Christianity because a few people are OFFENDED by it....get real!! This country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles, and was founded on the idea of FREEDOM OF RELIGION....not freedom FROM religion. Banning the use of "MErry Christmas" because it offends a few non-Christians is bigoted, small minded, AND creepy.

Check out this web-site.
www.jews4fairness.org (http://www.jews4fairness.org)

[dinaweena (dinaweena)]

CHRISTMAS -- GOING, GOING... GONE?
GrassTopsUSA Exclusive Commentary
By Don Feder

Christmas music of the future: “Have Yourself A Merry Little Holiday,” “I’m Dreaming of a White Holiday,” “I’ll Be Home For Holiday.”

Christmas is being purged from our culture at an ever-accelerating pace.

Christmas parades have been replaced by Winterfests. Schools frown on Christmas decorations. Cities and towns have rechristened the municipal Christmas tree a “community tree.” You’d have an easier time setting up a nativity scene in Saudi Arabia than in most public parks. And sales clerks wish us a “Happy Holiday!” -- as if we all celebrated something called “holiday.”

Bill O’Reilly, host of The O’Reilly Factor, charges “There is an anti-Christian bias in this country, and it is more on display at Christmas season than any other time.”

Says Bill Donahue, president of the Catholic League For Religious And Civil Rights, “This is only the beginning of the Christmas season and already the anti-Christmas crusade is in high gear.”

Overdrive would be more like it.

To begin with, there are the stores that avoid the dreaded C-word in their advertising, and won’t allow their sales personnel to wish shoppers a Merry – well, you know. The latter include Target (which, with an extra measure of bad cheer, has also banished Salvation Army kettles from its premises), Costco, BJ’s, Wal-Mart, Sears/K-Mart and Kohl’s.

When a Wal-Mart shopper complained, someone in its Customer Service department sent her the following demented e-mail:

“The majority of the world still has practices other than ‘christmas’ (sic.) which is an ancient tradition that has its roots in Siberian shamanism ….”
Say what? O’ Little Town of Irkutsk?

The author of “A Child’s Christmas at The Home of Shirley MacLaine” continued: “The colors associated with ‘christmas,’ (sic.) red and white, are actually a representation of the amanita mascara mushroom. Santa is also borrowed from the Caucuses, mistletoe from the Celts, yule log from the Goths, the time from the Visigoths and the tree from the worship of Baal.” And the partridge from the pear tree?

After the Catholic League inquired if it was store policy to intentionally denigrate Christianity in this way, the customer service clown reportedly was fired. (He should have been sent to the frozen tundra, for further research on Siberian shamanism.)

At the Lowe’s store in Austin, Texas, a banner announces “Now Here! Fresh Cut Holiday Trees,” with the same in Spanish. “O Holiday Tree, O Holiday Tree. How PC Are Thy Branches.”

Then there are all of the public institutions that are bah-humbugging it up during this joyous season.
• Boston Mayor Thomas Menino and the city’s parks’ commissioner decided that starting this year, they would refer to Boston’s Christmas tree as a “Holiday tree.” After the donor in Nova Scotia threatened to repossess the tree and run it through a chipper, the city abandoned that dumb idea.


• Last year, the mayor of nearby Somerville, Mass. publicly apologized after a press release misidentified the municipality’s holiday party as a “Christmas party.”


• Also in 2004, the town council of Kensington, MD. voted to end its 33-year tradition of having Santa Claus at their annual tree lighting. All because two families said the presence of the jolly old elf would make them (oh no!) “uncomfortable” – in another triumph for sensitivity tyranny.


• Lest you think the foregoing is a blue-state phenomenon, a Kansas newspaper ran a correction for referring to the “Community Tree” at Wichita’s Winterfest as a Christmas tree. How long before Menorahs become "Community Candelabra?"


• Denver rejected a Christian-themed float in the city’s “holiday parade” (which violated its rule against “direct religious themes” – wouldn’t want to connect religion to “the season”) while welcoming German folk dancers, Chinese lion dancers and gay Native Americans. Perhaps the local church which sought to participate should have said its float was a tribute to Siberian shamanism. Then, it probably would have led the procession.


• Across the country, school districts have ordered secular-themed only decorations, forbade teachers from reading Christmas stories or allowing the distribution of Christmas cards and purged Christmas carols from their holiday programs. Last year, the South Orange/Maplewood New Jersey school district went a step further, banning the playing of instrumental music like “Silent Night” by school bands. Apparently, not just words – but also melodies – are sins against inclusiveness.


• In perhaps the unkindest cut of all, according to WorldNetDaily.com, Christianity was notably absent from the White House 2004 Christmas celebration. The White House website proclaimed the holiday the “Season of Song and Melody.” The site noted the White House was decorated with “delightful vignettes illustrating the best-loved songs of the season,” among them “I saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus,” and “Frosty the Snowman.” Not one was a hymn or a traditional Christmas carol.


• At the lighting of the National Christmas Tree (yes, it’s still that, and not a “holiday tree” or “community tree,” as yet), the president recently reelected with a groundswell of support from evangelical Christians observed, “At Christmas time, we celebrate good tidings, first announced 2,000 years ago, and still a source of great joy to our world.” And what would those tiding be, Mr. President – gas prices down, the administration’s approval ratings up? When the president who once said Jesus was his “favorite philosopher” can’t connect the birth of his Savior to the holiday, you know Christmas is in serious trouble.

And so it is. Each year, Christmas recedes further from view. This notwithstanding that, according to a recent Newsweek survey, 85% of this nation is Christian. (On a percentage-of-population basis, America is more Christian than Israel is Jewish -- more Christian than India is Hindu.)

A FOX News poll informs us that 96 % of the American people celebrate Christmas – which means a lot of non-Christians are decking the halls too. So the above de-Santa-zation process is all for 4% of the population?

Not even. Many who don’t celebrate Christmas have no objection to Christmas trees, carols, mangers in parks, Santas in parades or the lady at the cash register saying “Merry Christmas.” I should know; I’m one of them.

When I was in grade school, back in the ‘50s, we sang Christmas carols and made Christmas ornaments. And, guess what – I wasn’t emotionally scarred for life.

What’s the big deal? I’m a Jew who lives in an overwhelmingly Christian nation. (Are Christians who live in Israel offended when someone wishes them a Happy Hanukah?) Christmas has been celebrated on these shores -- in one form or another -- since the earliest settlements.

Christmas is part of the fabric of America – from Washington’s first Christmas message to the Continental Army (1776), to the famous 1897 New York Sun editorial (“Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus”), to the 1947 classic “Miracle on 34th. Street,” to the American troops who celebrated Christmas in the Pacific and on the battlefields of Europe during World War II, and latter in the jungles of Vietnam .

Will Americans serving in Iraq have holiday trees, sing “Frosty The Snowman,” or take part in the rituals of Siberian Shamanism on Christmas eve? Will they eagerly await seasonal presents from home, or enjoy a holiday dinner on December 25th.

Ironically, American Christians stationed in a Moslem country may feel more Christmas spirit than the folks they’re guarding back home.

There’s a war over there, and a war over here. The secularist assault on Christmas (unwittingly aided by the perpetually aggrieved and sensitivity-whipped) is one front in the war on America’s Judeo-Christian heritage.

Other battle zones include Ten Commandments monuments, God in the Pledge of Allegiance, stigmatizing the Boy Scouts, advances of the culture of death, and attempts to impose homosexual marriage by judicial fiat (thus undoing the morality of both Sinai and Bethlehem).

The militantly secularist Anti-Defamation League was shocked by the results of a poll it recently commissioned, indicating that 64% of Americans believe “religion is under attack” in this nation. (Among evangelical and charismatic Christians, that figure is 80%.)

That’s because religion is under attack in America. From now through December 25th, they’ll be take-no-prisoner, hand-to-hand combat in school corridors, public parks, parades and retail establishments.

Incoming, Santa!

[no_touch_love (no_touch_love)]

nan·cy (năn'sē) also nance (năns)
n. Offensive Slang., pl. nan·cies also nanc·es.
Used as a disparaging term for an effeminate man, especially a homosexual man.

[luvliberty (luvliberty)]

point taken Dina... at least you have some valid rationale for your posts... I can respect that.

[david_munson (david_munson)]

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Dina,
if you boil it down to it's base elements,religion is not under attack in America.
Jesus is.
Anything Christ is anathema to the thoughtless nonsense of political correctness.

Any religion other than that of Christianity is just peachy but don't you dare mention Jesus or anything connected to Him in any way at all.

It's not just from now to Dec.25th either.
This particular war is ongoing and will not cease until the feet hit the Mount of Olives.
Even in this country it will become illegal to talk of Christ at a point in the future and not a point that is far away either.

Christians are going to go to jail in America because of their belief in Christ and this will happen before we're taken out in the rapture.

American christians,for the most part,cannot seem to grasp this inevitability.
Maybe because of a lack of understanding of prophetic application.

He Is Coming!

Dave

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[no_touch_love (no_touch_love)]

luvliberty

you don't get it, because you're an idiot! i'll type s-l-o-w-e-r f-o-r y-o-u! try and keep up!

[no_touch_love (no_touch_love)]

it's something alot like this...

http://liquidwaves.blogspot.com/2005/12/tis-all-about-da-bay-bee.html#comments

[dinaweena (dinaweena)]

no touch love- are you having a bad day?! you're kinda being a jerk....I'm not used to that from you....MERRY CHRISTMAS!! There...now doesn't THAT feel better? :-)

[luvliberty (luvliberty)]

no touch... i just don't get you and thank the lord for it...i am not even trying to understand what makes you tick... why don't you spread some christmas cheer instead of being what you are claiming to be against...

[no_touch_love (no_touch_love)]

oh well i'm sorry mr. helper, i didn't mean to offend you!

[dinaweena (dinaweena)]

who is mr. helper? if you're referring to me, you didn't offend me...you can't. i just thought you were being a bit rude because someone wanted you to explain your viewpoint. anywho- i love your handle and most of the time i like your sense of humor. seems like you're the one who got offended...

[orangetwopay (orangetwopay)]

no, it's not you dinaweena.

i hope you like my 'handle' too. i like mine more than NTLs... actually, the whole LW crew loves your handle because every time we see it we think of how pahstah cahrl might pronounce it... "dinner wiener"

OTP

(Message edited by OrangeTwoPay on December 18, 2005)

[dinaweena (dinaweena)]

i LOVE your handle otp....as for that 'pronunciation'....all through elementary school that was my nickname...deener-wiener...i think it's kind of cute :-) when 'cahrl' WAS in my life, he DID call me Deener...I'd venture to say he probably wanted to follow it with a 'wiener' once or twice....sicko.
i wonder...are y'all older than i? is there any possibility that i knew anyone on the LW crew?