For a while there I thought FACTNET had been shut down

[orangetwopay (orangetwopay)]

And while it was not accessible, I pondered the thought that maybe, just maybe, Stevens and his henchmen were right. Maybe God had listened to their prayers and shut down the ol' FN board. Maybe we weren't being called out of GGWO by the Spirit of Truth. Maybe we all had major cockatrices up our bazzooms! Maybe we were all allied with "hoop-zoma" or whatever other demons Carl thought of 99 years ago in the milk truck...

Oh well, guess I don't have to worry now, eh?

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

Here's this for good measure though:
http://liquidwaves.blogspot.com/2006/01/dork-in-machine-loves-chunk.html

[yer_awesome_pahsta (yer_awesome_pahsta)]

speaking of being tossed down into the ditch of love, why is it that every few weeks i can't log on? this forcing me to change my stupid handle! it's annoying!

(Message edited by yer_awesome_pahsta on January 16, 2006)

[dinaweena (dinaweena)]

me too! me too!! ( about the thinking that FN had been shut down)

[yer_awesome_pahsta (yer_awesome_pahsta)]

if it had been, some people just might have to get on with their lives...not sure that can happen for some!

[sidethorn (sidethorn)]

Yer not the only one having to re-register. I had to do the same. The question is why are Factnet user accounts getting erased for no reason and with no notice? Most annoying!!!

As for Factnet, praise God its still up and running!!! Carl and his inner circle at GGWO may be pleading with God to shut down Factnet, but God is ignoring their prayers. We're still here and GGWO is still losing members. The truth is still going out exposing GGWO as a dangerous, manipulative cult. People are still getting set free. Praise the Lord!!!

SIDETHORN

[anon_brief (anon_brief)]

Actually, it's pretty simple. We are guests here, allowed to use this FREE message board by our generous host.

As guests, we descended on FactNet and ran the posts up to three times that of the Scientology thread.

We have ignored subtle hints that we've worn out our welcome. We have become the guests who don't know when to leave the party.

Have you read this?

http://www.factnet.org/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=3&post=243971#POST243971

[rjfernalld (rjfernalld)]

AB, I disagree with your characterization of the ex-members of GGWO "decending" upon this board, and that we "over stayed our welcome".

The great good this forum has done for countless hundreds, maybe thousands is worth it all.

I realize you were never really a member/student/indoctrinated believer with GGWO, so perhaps you do not fully appreciate the freedom that was given here.

Some people look at the squabbles we, collectively have had on FN as a bad thing...I personally do not. I saw us grow and break out of old shells, allow others to do the same and we were all involved in each other's healing process. For me, this still depicts a wonderful spiritual outbreak of truth, humanity, spiritual awakening etc.

I know you have another discussion board and it too is useful. But I pray FN will always be seen by most of us as the place that helped us grow, learn, help others escape and for some of us to reconnect with the past, the present, each other as well as the Holy Spirit.

No one ever said the truth was easy, that this process would be clean and clear...it hasn't been. But thank God for Fact Net...we have come such a long way.

I am hopeful that those who walk away from FN do not do so thinking they have attained a higher level of anything. FactNet is where the breaking out began and long may it serve us and others caught in destructive cults.

[anon_brief (anon_brief)]

Against my better judgement, I will answer you, Roberta.

First, I have *never* minimised the value of FactNet. Period.

Second, don't marginalise my experience because it is different from yours. Sipping the kool-aid is no less valid an experience than chugging it.

Finally, I stand by what I wrote in my post as written. No spin. No underlying message. No agenda. Just my observation and opinion.

Best wishes for good health.

[rjfernalld (rjfernalld)]

Wow...my post was not meant with hostility, and I am surprised if you thought it was.

Sipping and chugging? Minimalized?

Note: Pro Factnet NOT con AB.

"Finally, I stand by what I wrote in my post as written. No spin. No underlying message. No agenda. Just my observation and opinion."

Ummm...me too.

[sidethorn (sidethorn)]

Right on Roberta!!! All the discussion in its various forms has worked to set free a lot of people from a dangerous cult. That is more than worth it despite the many gigabytes of storage space to store all our posts. May God bless Factnet for providing this forum!!! I don't see us as wearing out our welcome either. This forum is doing what its designed to do. Many people post different opinions, discourses and disclosures and in the end, a cult loses members and affiliates who get set free. Let the discourse go on so more can get set free in the future!!!

SIDETHORN

[arguendo (arguendo)]

RJ: "The great good this forum has done for countless hundreds, maybe thousands is worth it all."

Sidethorn: "That is more than worth it despite the many gigabytes of storage space to store all our posts."

Who are you to say that it's worth it? You haven't been footing the bill.

FN is collapsing under the weight of the volume of posts being produced on FN, a great mjority of which are from GGWO.

Personally, I wouldn't sacrifice FN for GGWO. Since it's apparent that there are other venues for ex-GGWOers to go to, I would dump all the GGWO files and bar any new ones. FN has done its part and owes no here anything.

[yer_awesome_pahsta (yer_awesome_pahsta)]

i'll take a page out of Carls play book...

Why isn't FN following the will of gawd? either pick up the slack for Gawd, doing what is right or worry about petty things like money and be used of Saint-in!

can anyone say "pay check sunday!"

http://liquidwaves.blogspot.com/

[mercyreigns (mercyreigns)]

I agree with Arguendo and Anon and frankly many of the posts have little to do with exposing cultic ways. As of late the GGWO portions of FN are a source of embarrassment for those of us who are trying to help others to move on and/or get out of a controlling atmosphere.

Relevant posts are being lost in a maze of ridiculousness. I have really been avoiding coming here but I felt the need to add to this thread.

And it is true we are guests at another's website which they have to pay for and maintain. I am thankful for the privilege of being able to be here. I am also thankful because without FN I would still be in a spiritual quandry and feel most condemned.

As for what I had written above: I am not addressing any individual here at all just expressing an opinion.

blessings

Nancy Curra

(Message edited by mercyreigns on January 17, 2006)

[rjfernalld (rjfernalld)]

Many have found great solace here in the past discussions, some have not. In any case, FN has helped a lot of people, I am glad it has been available.

As for embarassing posts...I venture to say most of us have contributted to that problem. No one is saying otherwise.

But I agree with sidethorn...so much good has come from time spent here, far more good than bad, and I regret nothing. I am glad the kids had a place to turn, glad for the friendships I have made with people who have posted on and off here, and without FN so much information would not have spread out to those who needed to hear.

Period.

What happens from here is anyone's guess. But I fairly doubt the this GGWO section is completely to blame for the financial woes looking at the number of other cults listed, other groups engaged in discussion etc.

I have come to enjoy the personal corerespondence of so many since I am not on line as much as I used to be.

Other discussion boards are available, other paths than this are springing up and that is healthy.

But I will always thank God that this place helped so many see the truth, for that was its purpose.

"Who are you to say that it's worth it? You haven't been footing the bill."

I have done my share when I could, and I have proof it was worth it knowing that some of the people who I personally spoke to or who contacted me got free because of FN. FactNet provided a place for this to happen, and I believe that if they hadn't believed it was woth it, they would not be on line attempting to expose cults.

I am also confident that it will find a way to continue if at all possible if they are still of a mind to help and can afford to.

In any case, God bless them for the effort for the greater good has been served.

Thanks FN for helping so many get free.

[dragged_thru_mud (dragged_thru_mud)]

FactNetters are the Muhammed Saeed al-Sahafs of the internet........

[sidethorn (sidethorn)]

Put it this way. Factnet has done God and a lot of people a great service by providing an open forum to expose cults like Greater Grace World Outreach. Whatever the bill comes out to be, people getting set free makes it all worth it. God knows Factnet has needs and will bless Factnet for providing this forum when it comes to finances or any else thats needed. A life set free from a cult is priceless!!!! Thats the main point!!! Every discussion comes with some blab; that's life!!! People are still getting set free. So let the discussion go on!!

SIDETHORN

[mercyreigns (mercyreigns)]

Side while this is true I think the purpose of this thread is addressing the issue of who is footing the bill for all this and our personal responsibility to help.

Many here may be helping but probably not enough people in the GG area of this site are donating enough funds to warrant FN's continuant support for us.

Blessings

Nancy

[lana (lana)]

There doesn't seem to be "excitment" as there used to be on Facknet. I wonder why. Many don't write anymore. The topics don't interest me. There isn't much news about G.G. anymore. Is this just a phase or are we losing ground. I hope not.

[gone_to_pa (gone_to_pa)]

Just a thought??

I too have learned much here, about GGWO and my- self also.I have gained many a brother and sister and lost a few along the way also. My thought is, have we made our point? If we haven't in 70k plus posts then we need a reevaluation. If we have, why not leave what remains to maybe another group or two that might need the space we would use to expose the cultish church they were attending. If the case is that Factnet is having a hard time supporting our many, many posts, then why not bow out gracefully so that maybe, just maybe someone else has been in a cult and it needs ever so badly to be exposed. GGWO/TBS has been exposed and will continue to be exposed on other sites, so why not share what has been so graciously given to us with some of our other brothers and sisters in the Lord? It is "MY Opinion" that to let the discussion go on would be to be selfish. We have all said quite enough. I don't mean this in a derogatory tone, but to say we haven't left any stones unturned that I have seen. And what we haven't said is being said elsewhere. I haven't written in a while and I won't be writing again. I will pray for all whom I have met here. I have learned here and that's all I can really ask of any journey that I walk with the Lord. God bless you, each and everyone. I will trust God, that out of the numerous posts here, something that has been said already, will set people free, again, and again and again. GTP Factnet, you have the floor!!!

[rjfernalld (rjfernalld)]

I understand your point, GTP. However...revealing GGWO as a cult to the general audience is one thing. You are right, this we have done.

The underlying truth is, however, that reaching the indoctrinated is done person by person, one at a time. FactNet has been a perfect eye opening vehicle to that end. As we have spent time and bandwidth discussion everything from abuse to predestination, one by one people have heard of FactNet and found there way here.

As they have contacted the board, or someone who posts here via email, they also have been awakened to the threads that have the pertinent information about GGWO. They have been directed to other links, other boards etc as is right and healthy.

But "FactNet" is the forbidden word, the evil place that has been spoken of from the GGWO pulpit. FN has been and strangley continues to be a tool God has employed to enlighten the blind, to rescue the indoctrinated captives.

You say we have "made our point" and it is time to perhaps walk away...but as long as God is using this strange conglomeration od posts here to continue to send a rope to the drowning, I believe it is of value.

Perhaps a pruning of some threads might be in order. Perhaos there could remain here the information so badly needed by those who are confused. For it is one by one they come to Christ, and it is one by one they have sought out help from us here to escape the falsity and evil that has infected them from GGWO.

I am glad there are other places that put out information, and other discussions in progress...but the truth is also that FN still is helping people see through the fog of lies preached in Baltimore.

I feel it is still relevent and important that some part of the GGWO threads remain, for they still seek FactNet as a place for information.