CARLbS DIAPER EXPLODES

[anova (anova)]

just kidding.

Actually, the name of this thread was just a cheap attempt to get your attention so I can shamelessly promote something.

A feature film has been released on the late Christian missionary, Jim Elliot, and the fruit of his martyrdom in reaching a tribe of natives. I've heard it is excellent!

It is called "End of the Spear." It is having a limited release in theaters. If it gets a good response it will be released more widely.

Check out the website on the film. You can see the trailer (which looks EXCELLENT!) and find out if it is playing in a theater near you.

http://www.endofthespear.com/

[mercyreigns (mercyreigns)]

I have a video from Day of Discovery for years with the actual Auca men who speared Jim, Nate and the others. They tell their story it is amazing to hear it from the actual now Waodani tribe themselves.

It shows the actual footage of Jim Elliot and Nate Saint, Roger and the others as well as Rachel Saint and her work there.

I believe you can still obtain this video from RBC ministries http://www.rbc.org/dod/home.php

It is well worth purchasing. It is not a movie but a true documentary that lasts about 30 minutes. I have shown it to dozens of young Christians who were truly inspired by it over the years.

I, as well as I am sure all of you, am thrilled that it has hit the theaters. The problem is just like Left Behind, it will only be shown for a short period of time in select theaters and not nationwide.

Pray that it will be well received, well enough that there will be other cities wanting it released there also.

Blessings,

Nancy

[lmbles (lmbles)]

Not sure if you all heard about the lead role being a homosexual activist trying to "bridge the gap between Christians and gays.."

http://www.albertmohler.com/commentary_read.php?cdate=2006-01-20

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48422

What are your thoughts?

[anova (anova)]

I think that's why Carl exploded his diaper.

[orangetwopay (orangetwopay)]

What do you mean... SOMETHING LIKE THIS???

http://liquidwaves.blogspot.com/2006/01/something-smells-in-here-oh-its.html

HAHAHHA
OTP

[cordell (cordell)]

shoulda seen that comin'.

[david_munson (david_munson)]

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/biggrin.gif

[mercyreigns (mercyreigns)]

Well I read the article and it is interesting that Nate and Steven's character is gay. I am wondering if the families of these missionaries had a say in the movie casting.

But God is bigger than this faux pas and could use this movie greatly. Regeneration is of God and if a homosexual really gets saved you need not be dismayed God will regenerate him.

We have no idea what God is doing in Chad's heart even right now.

Blessings,

nancy

[louise_connolly (louise_connolly)]

It looks like the new 'liquid waves Carleluia' has contracted encephalitis along with his many other ailments.

[zxcvbnm (zxcvbnm)]

God can't be angry. god is perfect and anger is a imperfect emotion. the two can not be the same

[hadasa (hadasa)]

tell that to God on judgement day

anyhow their are different types of anger; God's anger would be righteous

[justobserving (justobserving)]

It would have been better to just have a common adulterer, alcoholic, drug user, or one of the more acceptable Hollywood sinners to play the role.

[mercyreigns (mercyreigns)]

The Bible speaks of perfect hatred and God's wrath both leading the believer to realize God absolutely can and has the right to be angry in the context of his understanding not necessarily ours.

As far as an outcry from the evangelical community less is more. God has allowed this production and sometimes we take stands where stands are not warranted by God thus interferring and pushing people further away from Christianity and we have a very incomplete understanding of God's mercy when we get in an uproar over things God may be using to woo people to Himself.

Jesus, after all, ate with prostitutes. Do you ever wonder if he also pursued homosexuals too? to win them?

Yes He is very adament about homosexuality but He is also adamant about adultry, fornication, lying, murder, wicked thoughts, etc. If you thought it you did it, that is what God said.

Blessings

Nancy


(Message edited by mercyreigns on January 27, 2006)

[anova (anova)]

Ian McKellen (Gandalf in Peter Jackson's Lord of The Rings) is well known as a gay-rights promoter, especially in Britain. I was aware of that on seeing the first film, and that fact did bother me a bit. But after seeing his performance, I can't imagine anyone else in the role. Whenever, I see one of the Ring films and see Gandalf, I pray for Ian.

That's not a bad thing.

I understand people's concerns about Chad Allen, but ... I'll comment more on that later.

[rjfernalld (rjfernalld)]

How ridiculous...I mean, lets do the detective work and discover how many stars and extras in The Chronicals of Narnia, The Greatest Story Ever Told, Ben Hur, The Ten Commandments etc were homosexual. How silly and self righteous!

I would gently suggest we let God take care of those among us who stray from holier than thou-ness...He is capable of dealing with those who need to be dealt with...including us.

Did anyone happen to think that perhaps it is in His plan that working on this movie just might bring some of these people...sinners JUST LIKE US...a little closer to an understanding of God?

Judge not lest ye be judged....lets give a little grace here, and pray for the best for those who need it. People just like us who also are sinners, just blessed to be saved BY HIS GRACE....?

OK?

[hadasa (hadasa)]

I agree that the plethora that hollywood spews since it's infancy has had a great part led to the post christian nation we find ourselves in, and that adultry, lying, alcholholism, and other 'sins' are wrong, and Christians need to be against those too.

I think people miss the point though. At least Most people recognize that adultry, fornication, lying, cheating, alchohalism, are in fact 'sin'; we'll in the not so distant past at least; now we don't like that word any longer in our post christian nation so we'll call them weaknesses, mistakes, poor judgements; and yes it can be argued that society condones free heterosexual sex....but when you take something like homosexuality and try to say it is part of God's natural design; when it is clearly stated in scripture that it is a product of perverse imagination........

then you have something else altogether.

I mean take a moment and think about what goes on in the homosexual bed, surely this 'unclean' act speaks against God's very nature.

I am not against Chad Allen repenting from his sin of homosexuality and his MILITANCY of same and becoming born again; I am against what he stands for in his work of promoting the gay life style in government, the arts, and advocating himself as a 'bridge' between the Christian community and the homosexual community


No, I don't want school teachers telling my kids that they must accept homosexuality as a viable life-style to the point of almost recommending it to these young minds; and we are just about there.

And it is the 'christian' sentiment that I expected to see on this forum that has helped us get there.

Yes, the Gospel was meant to influence society, we must look into our lack of conviction in this and wonder if we have not bought into the Gospel of personal peace and affluence; having not really counted the cost as to what it means to be a christian.

having said that; this could be used to get the Gospel out to the homosexual people as well as people in general.

(see next post - what a pain)

(Message edited by hadasa on February 15, 2006)

[hadasa (hadasa)]

Now that Chad has 'fellowshipped' with Christians; I wonder that he will be led to "go and sin no more" That was the result of Jesus fellowship with the prostitute.

I wonder Indeed.

Yeah Christians SHOULD have been coming against the waves of immorality in society and hollywood all along (do you allow your children to watch it on tv, in the movies, video games, what music are they listening to, I'm sure at least some of you keep tabs, in that same vein we are to influence our family, we should influence society); but we were complacent; if saved; now we have the higher stages of depravity at our doorstep and the logic is; we didn't come against the lesser evils so what's the point now.......hmmm

God is coming in the clouds.

[hadasa (hadasa)]

Again, if your going to respond, please try and not miss the point.

Not against the sinner personally. Against the contempory Christian's response to legitimized sin (and in Roman's and the Old testament; this particular sin of homosexuality bears particularily weighty consequences for the individual and society- while of course all sin negates us from eternal habitation).

RJ, if your going to suggest I'm silly and ridiculous at least attempt to address the same issue that I'm on.

Anyhow, I think I'm in good company with the likes of Francis Schaffer on this one. Mr Schaffer included abortion as one of the other societal sins that are the critical issues of our day (at least in america).

[anova (anova)]

There is no record in the Scriptures that every tax collector and prostitute that Jesus ate with IMMEDIATELY left the dinner table converted, convicted, and changed.

[But hell, I'm just avoiding doing some work I have to do...I have the feeling this discussion is going to be like talking to Gene Z.]

[hadasa (hadasa)]

Anova, that was a 'straw man' go after that sentence and twist it out of proportion; of course sometimes it takes time in different individuals.

What i'm saying is we are quickly getting to the point where the 'evangelical' consensus will succumb to the world mentality of not calling sin for what it is.

My point was that Jesus called sin sin. "Go and SIN no more". Chad's a militant homosexual who said his goal is to build bridges between the christian community and homosexuality. I am not being self-righteous when I point out that there are danger signs here when under this knowledge, the evangelical community patronizes this.

And I'm not saying I'm making it my life's mission to rally against this movie production, I'm exposing what I feel are trends.

discuss issues man, don't mock and say I'm like talking to so and so....

[anova (anova)]

Take a bromo.*





*[Reference to early 60's TV commercial for Bromo-Seltzer]

[bob_brinton (bob_brinton)]

I'm vaguely recalling some story of a painter doing a painting of the last supper that took many years to complete. Supposedly the same model he used for Jesus ended up being the model for Judas also. Is that urban legend? Anyone else hear the story? Was it something Carl made up? Or maybe he lifted it from some standup comic. Bunny trails bunny trails.

[zxcvbnm (zxcvbnm)]

hadasa wrote "anyhow their are different types of anger; God's anger would be righteous"

lol

"I have wiped out many nations, devastating their fortress walls and towers. Their cities are now deserted; their streets are in silent ruin. There are no survivors to even tell what happened. I thought, 'Surely they will have reverence for me now! Surely they will listen to my warnings, so I won't need to strike again.' But no; however much I punish them, they continue their evil practices from dawn till dusk and dusk till dawn." So now the LORD says: "Be patient; the time is coming soon when I will stand up and accuse these evil nations. For it is my decision to gather together the kingdoms of the earth and pour out my fiercest anger and fury on them. All the earth will be devoured by the fire of my jealousy. "On that day I will purify the lips of all people, so that everyone will be able to worship the LORD together. My scattered people who live beyond the rivers of Ethiopia will come to present their offerings. (Zephaniah 3:6-10 NLT)

that doesnt sounds so righteous.. you follow a book of lie's

[zxcvbnm (zxcvbnm)]

this doesn't either

From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!" The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces. (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)

[zxcvbnm (zxcvbnm)]

nice god.. killing kids 4 being brats

[orangetwopay (orangetwopay)]

hey cordell! come over and handle this one!

[zxcvbnm (zxcvbnm)]

orangetwopay...wrote "hey cordell! come over and handle this one!"

what..you need to bring in the holy big guns.. your faith not strong enough.. U need some back-uphttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

[orangetwopay (orangetwopay)]

lol, nope yyxyxysmn, just looking for more joys to watch take place. plus cordell can have fun with it. and no, my faith isn't all that strong, but i take heart in mark 9:24.

of course, debate is slightly pointless anyway, i mean, those who aren't of the elect can't perceive the mysteries and paradoxes of the faith because they are spiritually discerned (convenient, don't you think, xyxyzyzyynmn? http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif)

i say "slightly pointless" because the elect can see the witness of spirit-led words and be encouranged, so not all is lost. i'm not so good at that. i just hang out and make pretty little images, such as this:

http://liquidwaves.blogspot.com/2006/01/carl-convicted-at-jethro-tull-concert.html

enjoy!!!

(Message edited by OrangeTwoPay on January 27, 2006)

[cordell (cordell)]

zxcvbnm, are you like the little guy in the very old Superman comics where if I can get you to say your name backwards 'poof' you disappear?

[jeannie (jeannie)]

zxcvbnmwxyz, I think you need to buy a vowel.

I saw "End of the Spear" the night it opened. I previously saw and then purchased the documentary which the film is based. (It has become a cult favorite; pun intended) Both the doc and the film convey a powerful redemption message. I didn't know Chad Allen was gay and his gayness does not effect the film. Half of Hollywood is gay and the other half are professing atheists..or Kalbbalahists or whatever. The fact that this movie is even being distributed through Hollywood is a miracle. I think Steve Saint and the director said it best:

Director and writer Jim Hanlon explained that, "If as a film company we could only work with people who were completely sanctified then the film would never have been made."

We do not agree with Chad over homosexuality," he said. "'End of the Spear' is not about Chad Allen, but rather it's about remarkable people who lived their faith against all odds, and dared to reach out at the cost of their lives."
Nate Saint's son Steve Saint, who served as a producer, a stunt pilot and had a bit part in the film, believes it was God's plan to have Allen in "End of the Spear," according to Agape Press.

Saint admitted, however, he was shocked when he learned Allen was homosexual.

"I could feel physical pain," he recalled, "thinking [that] somebody that lives a lifestyle like that is going to depict my dad."

But after further reflection, he began to see Allen's involvement might be God-ordained.

Some Christians might be offended by Allen's role, Saint realized, but "I thought, 'What happens if I stand before God someday and He says to me, "Steve, I went out of my way to orchestrate an opportunity for Chad Allen to see what it would be like to live as your father did."' And then I could picture Him looking at me and saying, 'Steve, why did you mess with my plan?"

This controversy is giving the movie wide spread publicity and maybe God wanted Allen in the movie because more people will see it and maybe, just maybe more gay guys will too. One of the most powerful scenes is when a tribesman is explaining the redemption story in his own simplistic way. I want everyone to experience that, and maybe that was God's plan all along.

[onshore (onshore)]

"Z",
Check this out....
Now, here's some real N.T. Wrath of God for you!!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6638432503810462338

[onshore (onshore)]

Chariots of Fire
Academy Award's 1981 BEST PICTURE of the year.

I loved the character of Eric Liddle, performed by Ian Charleson. He "became" Eric Liddle and portrayed a very simple man with powerful convictions that impacted the watching world during the 1920's Olympic Games.

No one else could have given a better performance of the fastest runner in Scotland, the young man who loved God, yet he loved to run.... because, as he said, "God has given me a gift, He made me, and He made me fast".


Ian Charleson played this role with such believability, that the world will never forget this powerful movie.

Millions saw the story of what a man was willing to sacrifice to Honor God. In the end, God honored him.
It was powerful, real and believable.


Ian Charleson, a homosexual, died in 1990, at the age of 40, of AIDS.

[zxcvbnm (zxcvbnm)]

cordell wrote" are you like the little guy in the very old Superman comics where if I can get you to say your name backwards 'poof' you disappear?"

LOL..nope, but thanks 4 the 70' flashback.. now I'm waiting 4 the banana splits club to come running threw the living room and put on a cartoon 4-me.. oh i hope its HR pufnstuf

[lee (lee)]

"There is no place in the Kingdom of God for an artist".......Carl Henry Stevens

[onshore (onshore)]

Lee,
Do you remember this from the pulpit (throne) of Carl H Sevens?

"Listening to Classical music causes homosexuality."

[lee (lee)]

HA! I vaguely remember something like that! Much like many of the things said from the mouths of many religious people.........myself included. How pigheaded. How stupid, how cruel, how shortsighted, how ridiculous. How ashamed it makes me to be a part of a community like that. BLINDED by our own selves. What we end up missing out of. What disgusting drivel we feed others. What a sad commentary on the power of God. Is He living or what? Is He beautiful and worth looking to? Does He only write hymns meant to be sung by people with no pitch? Boorish actors with no ability? Painters that can only paint tears coming out of Jesus's eyes? Of course the white, blue eyed Jesus!

Move over, Roberta,I need to hurl!

[cordell (cordell)]

"We believe that fulfilling the commands to love God and neighbor requires that we pay careful attention to the neighborhood: that is, every sphere of human life where God is either glorified or despised, where neighbors are either edified or undermined. Therefore, living as disciples of Christ pertains not just to prayer, evangelism, and Bible study, but also our enjoyment of literature and music, our use of tools and machines, our eating and drinking, our views on government and economics, and so on.

Mars Hill Audio (http://www.marshillaudio.org/about/aboutmha.asp)

You guys need to broaden your horizons.

[cordell (cordell)]

<font color="0000ff">"There is no place in the Kingdom of God for an artist".......Carl Henry Stevens</font>

Errr, I guess there would be no King then. Because He is the Greatest Artist.

[orangetwopay (orangetwopay)]

that's some classic stuff right there http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

[cordell (cordell)]

<font color="0000ff">Z: From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!" The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces. (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)

nice god.. killing kids 4 being brats</font>

Typical atheist. No knowledge of context or language.

Bethel was the location of the 'high places' where pagan symbols of worship were located. The 'brats' were not just insulting Elisha, they were inviting him to "Go up" and worship pagan deities--a clear violation of God's first and second commandments--which they obviously took lightly. God, however, does not take it lightly:

You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers <u>on the children</u> to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me

That commandment, along with its contingent warning--is still in force my little atheist friend. Who knows? Perhaps you're being 'visited'.

[cordell (cordell)]

<font color="0000ff">Z: that doesnt sounds so righteous.. you follow a book of lie's</font>

You need to invest in a book of usage and style, Chuy, your's obviously neglected the section on the proper use of apostrophes.

[isabella (isabella)]

<font size="-2">cordell,</font> (Mr. Bible Speaks)

You need to shut-up, please!?!?

Thanks,
Isabella

Many who are reading and not posting are sick (and tired) of scrolling by your posts...why not take your credentials where it would be appreciated?

[isabella (isabella)]

Offshore,

Thanks...I was looking for those videos.

I laughed out loud...I'm sending them on, to my 3 Nuns....

Isabella

[cordell (cordell)]

IsabellaRosselini-I-oughta-be-a-nun,

Isn't there a national conference of shopping cart hags and bag ladies that you should be attending? You know, those ones that walk along talking to themselves as if they have Tourettes or something?

You really are a silly moo.

FactNet is a PUBLIC forum. Get a life. I'm here, like it or not.

Maybe I should find out where you live and get the JWs to come for a visit...

[bob_brinton (bob_brinton)]

Idol threat

[isabella (isabella)]

Typical for Mr. Bible Speaks to make fun of homeless-mentally-ill women...same as I've seen lots of <font size="-2">pastors</font> in TBS/GGWO do.

You make the PUBLIC forum so <font size="+1">very boring</font> <font size="-2">cordell</font>...

'like it or not?'...NOT!

[david_munson (david_munson)]

<font color="000000"><font face="arial,helvetica"></font>
No Jim,
you have to send the JW's to my house.
I always have such fun making them squerm talking about the Love shown to us through Jesus.
They run for the road every time,LOL.

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[mikko (mikko)]

actors make a good performance in the characters they portray but what about people pretending to be or think they are christians but are not ?
what about pastors pretending to be shepherds but are false shepherds ?
Acting is the other word for Hypocrite .
the Bible says "..and he shall appoint them their portion with the hypocrites and there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth"

[cordell (cordell)]

dizzabellalugosi,
Could I please bore you into a stupiforous drooling coma? PUH---LLLEEEEEZZZZE???

I am sorry you are homeless and mentally ill. Are you hiding out in the public library's computer room with all your stuff and your booze in a brown bag? How sad. But now I know I should pity you--drop me an email and I'll send you some MickeyD's coupons general delivery (I never give money to the homeless--they can all outdrink me). I'm sure it all began with that communion wine...

[lana (lana)]

Somebody please start another topic! This is the most boring, non informative one I have ever read. Isn't there any news anywhere?

[whatsup (whatsup)]

Lana, for as long as you have been posting on Factnet you have been complaining of how bored you are. It is a mystery to me why you even continue to come to the site. Perhaps you would be better entertained reading the Enquirer or watching Jerry Springer....just a suggestion

[anova (anova)]

Anyone else see "End of the Spear?"

[lana (lana)]

Whatsup, I don't come to this site for entertainment. I guess you do. You aren't going to shut me up, get used to it.

[onshore (onshore)]

If people are bored, then why not just take the initiative to start up a conversation that is interesting, for you?
Lana, your a smart lady, if you want to start an interesting topic, you should go for it.
Never depend on other people to satisfy your needs.

[lana (lana)]

Onshore, you aught to know, webtv cannot post new threads, only secondary ones, which I have. I have one under "comments" "Carls diaper explodes" was very misleading for Factnet.
The queer in Tip of the spear wasn't known until the movie was underway.

[lana (lana)]

Onshore, also,webtv cannot get over 80 posts, so I am very limited. This is all I can afford.

[whatsup (whatsup)]

Oh Lana I would not waste my time trying to shut you up, I know that is hopeless...just trying to find some entertainment on your level to help alleve your boredom. As for me, I don't come here for entertainment but I sure do get some

[lana (lana)]

Whatsup, When I use the word "bore", I am referring to a lack of information on the goings on at GGWO. Since all I have on webtv is 80 posts, I probably miss much.
There used to be more information.about Baltimore. that I could respond to.

[hodeuon (hodeuon)]

Other developments in Baltimore include the beginning of an 8:30 service on Sunday morning, and a 2:30 service in Silver Spring.

It has been observed that it is very unusual and practically unprecedented for a GG church to have two morning services.

Hodeuon

[lana (lana)]

Thank you Hodevon, They said what the followers wanted to hear. They can't afford not to. Keep us posted. I have many still in the ministry.

[kupski (kupski)]

Isa 45 :7

[sidethorn (sidethorn)]

The codependancy goes on. Control freaks and egomaniacs like Carl Stevens and Tom Schaller crave the worship and servitude of the people. The people are told that they're the cream of the crop of Christianity and they're in God's perfect geographical will if they stay with GGWO and serve the leaders there. They're told nobody understands the finished work, grace, or God's will any better. They led to believe that they're safely in God's hands only if they stay with their GGWO pastor/teachers. Their security is in their submission and loyalty to those pastor/teachers. Those leaders keep feeding the people this crap and other stuff they want to hear. So the cult nation goes on and will go on until God finally pulls the rug out from under it. Then what??? Time to learn to think for yourself, learn to seek God for yourself, make your own decisions, think for yourself and take responsibility for your own actions. So sad so many have never at GGWO learned this concept. Peoples' security and dependance has to be on God and not on a man like it is at Greater Grace.

[david_munson (david_munson)]

<font color="000000"><font face="arial,helvetica"></font>
Yes it is sad.
It's also sad that a branch of GG that I used to attend has a pastor that denies what's going on while at the same time partaking of the marking system incorporated into the standard practices of the day.
Ignore and avoid the person who dares make waves because they're willing to discuss the issues.

I used to respect this person but events past and present have revealed his indoctrination of the "us against them" mentality that prevents any honest and open discourse which could result in a reasonable solution.

That takes honesty and transparency.Something which is not forthcoming in the GG standard of behaviour towards others.

We're all wrong you know.
The lord Schaller says so,so it must be true.

So if we're all evil because we speak the truth with respect to no man,what does that make the leaders of GG who lie to maintain their positions?


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[sidethorn (sidethorn)]

As long as the GGWO leadership takes on that "us versus them" and that "we have the truth and others don't" MENTALITY, there's no hope for any real improvement at GGWO. The crap will just go on until something drastic happens like divine judgement. The guys running GGWO are not transparent, honest, or open to change. They act like they're so perfect and need no fixing. They don't want anyone asking questions or thinking outside their GGWO box. Yes the lord Schaller leads his blind sheep through the pastures of the GGWO nation. As soon as a sheep sees the light and speaks up, they're exiled!!! Such a nation that claims to be enlightened when they're in such darkness and self-delusion.