Sexual AbuseCAUGHT AND PROSECUTED

[RJ (141.154.144.33)]

Anonymous (68.33.96.167)
Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 10:12 am
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Sorry to repost this, I thought it was better suited for this thread.
Blessings,
Another ANON

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LACONIA - A former deacon of the Bible Speaks Church was found guilty yesterday of having sex with a 13-year-old girl he met through the church.

Christopher Rogan, 43, of 24 White Rock Circle, Tilton, was convicted in Belknap County Superior Court of one count of aggravated felonious sexual assault, a Class A felony. He will face 10 to 20 years in state prison at his sentencing Nov. 11.

Prosecutors say the victim saw Rogan as a father figure after they met at the church in Lakeport, where he was a deacon. Rogan was accused of assaulting the victim repeatedly from June to September of 2001. Prosecutors say she did not report the abuse until September 2002.

Initially, the Belknap County attorney's office brought four aggravated felonious sexual assault charges against Rogan, alleging he engaged in multiple sexual acts with the girl. The additional charges were dismissed, Deputy Belknap County Attorney Wayne Coull said, after questions were raised in court about the frequency of the acts.

[Anonymous (68.33.96.167)]

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[Anonymous (63.27.8.143)]

No Touch Love!

[Anonymous (70.16.16.206)]

"Pastor Roberta".....
May I ask, whats the point of printing this???

So the guy used to go to TBS. What does it have to do with the forum??
Do you want a discussion about this? Obviously so!!

Well, then...lets discuss it.

Frankly just because the newspaper associated the guy from being a former member of TBS (which by the way so are you Roberta!!!) Since you are now ordained and all, does this put you into a leadership capacity so if we find a newspaper article about you it should also be posted on threads here, right? After all, fair is fair, right?????


Do you know this guy???
Were you in the ministry when he was???
IS it the fact that he was a"FORMER TBS deacon," is that why you deemed it necessary to publish this???

Is this another way of saying Pastor Stevens is to blame for this guy abusing that girl? If so THEN say it!! So then, I can really slam the hell out of you after you do. BELIEVE ME I will fight you tooth and nail on here if you even think you can connect GGWO/TBS messages from the pulpit in any way with this guy molesting and abusing this girl. He didn't learn it from Pastor Stevens. Damn you "Pastor" Roberta for even putting it on here at all.


Yes i have compassion for the girl being abused, and yes, I believe that the guy should be locked up, and thank God he was found guilty and locked up. Truth is, your whole point is the issue of his being a "FORMER deacon" in the church -- TBS --are you or are you not implying he is the product of "bad" teaching???

Shame on you. I've lost the little bit of respect I had for you here.

God Bless & have a nice night.
And, you call yourself "Pastor" ?????

ROTFLMFAO

[Anonymous (70.16.16.206)]

68.33.96.167

You are equally as despicable as Pastor Roberta for posting that article because your motives are most likely exactly like hers that were stated above.

Whats the point????????????????????????????

You make me sick.

[Roberta (141.154.144.33)]

Anon 70....Relax....I reposted it because I found it newly posted and buried under a flurry of Anon 24 flooding factnet. It is news. It was originally posted by some I don't know, but the story checks out.

Whoever you are, I respect your right to have whatever opinion of me or others you want to, but there's no need to be all freaked out. I am not a pastor...if you had been reading factnet you would know that. Being "qualified" in the eyes of a school doesn't necessarily mean that is what you are.

You are rather angry, bitter and take issue with anyone who says negative things about the ministry. I understand that as well, I used to defend it mightily and Carl as well. This post implies nothing about teachings. The man may have hurt others or not. But his name is here, it was public news in Laconia, and there may be others or no one that he has had prior relationships with...but if there are others, they have the right to know what has happened. If there is no one, that's terrific. But this was in a public published newspaper where GGWO members have been member of the branch church. If it is not a secret, there's no harm in posting it here in case someone can be helped.

[Anonymous (68.33.96.167)]

Dear anonymous 70.16.16.206,
I would first like to say that I am sorry you are angered by the article, I posted it to help other victims(if there are any at GGWO to come forward) many times victims are more likely to come forward if there are others who have stepped forward. For those of you that do not know me I attended GGWO for a short period and realized that something was not right. Your postings reminded me of why I left, you said I make you sick and you damn Roberta. As a Christian I was taught not to judge, it seems that if you currently are a member of GGWO and read something that could be potentially damaging you go into a frenzy. Why not post positive articles to combat the negative ones instead of swearing, I only post factual articles and I was hoping to come across a positive one. I unfortunately have not and I have done a lot of searches. I will pray for you and remember the best way to show people that GGWO is a good place to be, is to act like a Christian and post kind messsages
of positive things done at GGWO. Remember WWJD(What would Jesus do) The purpose of my postings is to educate through facts that I have read and to help those who may be being abused.
God bless you,
Another ANON

[Police Investigator (64.26.116.204)]

Regarding 66.55.83.36

My only post was on July 29th under the thread, Carl Stevens Hides Pedifiles. I had posted my assessment and I was comfortable with leaving everything as it was. But when 66.55 responded (the same day) to my comments with…I will keep talking until someone listens…I decided reluctantly that the next step needed to be taken.

I figured that it might be worthwhile to conduct a deeper investigation, just to see if my original hunch was correct. If I was wrong with what I had originally thought about 66.55, I would admit my error here on Factnet. But if I was correct in my assessment (that 66.55 was a lying wacko), I was committed to taking some action.

I do not approach this kind of thing casually. I asked the friend of mine in the Internet crimes unit to check on the IP address. He gave me the exact physical address and then he accessed all available legal issues (matters of public record) for me to read. I received a stack of documents in the mail this week!

At this point, I will share just enough information to let 66.55.83.36 and anyone else know that I am extremely serious about what I am about to communicate.

I am about to post enough specific information about the person claiming to have been raped by five pastors at gunpoint for her to know that I know what I am talking about. Her house number is 5512 and her initials are M.N.F. and her last four SSN digits are xxx-xx-1378. Her last name has four letters.

Before I came to Factnet, I had never heard of this person. As I mentioned in the July 29th post, I have dealt with a number of abuse cases over the years. After reading what I have read, I have been introduced to a vicious, certifiable nut job. Readers of Factnet have had no idea as to what you have been dealing with.

According to court documents (case #xx-x-xx-xx0671), some of the most ridiculous, far-fetched sexual abuse allegations I have ever heard are made by 66.55 (MNF), including being forced by her father to throw a baby in the fire (murder?) after being forced to perform certain unmentionable acts upon that child. She claims that between 3-16 years of age she was forced by her father to attend satanic rituals, kill animals and humans (more murder?), eat body parts (cannibalism?) and drink blood. She claims she was forced at gunpoint or at knife point to perform certain unmentionable acts upon other children (including brothers and sister) and was periodically sold (between ages 6-11) by her father to perform similar acts upon complicit (paying) adult family acquaintances. And there is much more.

Everything I have stated above is in almost the exact wording used in the court document before me right now.

These tales are so ludicrous that they must have been sponsored by the controversial false memory syndrome - someone goes back into his or her childhood and dredges up every lurid thing that he or she can think of. Some so-called therapists prey on emotionally-unstable clients (with fertile imaginations).

But the madness does not stop there. 66.55 (MNF) has filed an 8-page Declaration of Expatriation/Repatriation (filing it with the local court and then sending a copy to President Bush and other politicians), which means that she believes that she is an American citizen, not a United States citizen. Sounds convoluted? You bet! But there is more.

It’s so strange that it would be hard to communicate the full extent of her craziness. In this 8-page document she states that federal withholding agents coerced her, as an impressionable child, into attending school. She believes that the Postal Service, the Social Security Insurance contract and other instruments of US citizenship are all fraudulent. Here is where it gets real scary. Based upon her thoughts about her American citizenship (not US citizenship), she believes that she is NOT under the jurisdiction of any judge or court in the USA.

Here is my assessment: 66.55 seems to be functioning much like a terrorist, throwing verbal bombs (false accusations) wherever and whenever she wants to throw them…WITHOUT accountability…judicially or otherwise. This is a dangerous mix. But this kind of thing can be addressed in a way that she can understand.

MNF is the daughter and her mother (A) is a self-proclaimed indigent, living with her daughter at the same address. Her mother has also filed an 8-page Declaration of Expatriation/Repatriation. This mother/daughter team seems to have a pattern of wreaking havoc, routinely avoiding being served court summons by police officers. Howard County Judges (like Judge Dudxxx), must be tired of having either of them in their courts. Truly, the court room scenes must have been a zoo.

A reader of this post may wonder why I am being so hard on these two. Frankly, I am angry. From everything I have seen, 66.55 (MNF) used a combination of the assumed umbrella of anonymity, the well-crafted appearance of vulnerability and the expected response of belief by Factnet readers, to gain a hearing on this Board. If she had not been revealed for what she is (a lying wacko), she would have continued her pattern of deceit.

This situation with MNF seems to be much deeper than mere mental and emotional problems played out by a professional victim. After reading the documents, it appears that MNF has enough mental and emotional stability to be able to hold down a good enough job to pay the monthly mortgage on her own house. At the same time she seems to be sick enough to perpetrate abuse upon anyone who crosses her. If that is true, this is a very intelligent and clever, but evil, individual. I do not use the term evil loosely. People need to be warned. The court documents seem to indicate that her mother could easily be her primary role model and enabler.

If you could read what I am reading, you would be outraged by the way mother and daughter and now the brothers have abused the court system to get what they want. Someone needs to hold them accountable. (I am going to give the father some benefit of the doubt, because of the way the judge has ultimately ruled on each case.). I started out as an observer here on Factnet, reading the confusing posts by 66.55 stemming back a few months. But now I have been pulled in to deal with this in a way that may be able to help everyone concerned.

I may even use the same freedom of the press 66.55 (MNF) is talking about to propose this to a national journalist and/or TV news magazine show as the basis for a story about using allegations of sexual abuse and false memory syndrome as a weapon of choice.

I am in no hurry. We’ll see if 66.55 (MNF) and her mother are willing to honestly confront their behavior. They seem to be able to dish it out with impunity. But the question now is - can they take it? We will see what the future holds.

I do not care how anyone reading this responds - pro or con - to what I am posting today. If you could read the stack of documents I am reading, you would be sick to your stomach. And if you read them you might even be harder on 66.55 (MNF) than I am. Some of you just might even be tempted to post MNF's court documents on Factnet. What happens and how it happens will definitely be determined by MNF's future actions and responses. I have an idea that may just keep everything in check.

I am making an email address available for anyone who has been falsely accused by this person or knows anything about the activities of this person. Contact me with your story. Send an email to: Mfraud@hotmail.com

I am assuming by what I have read in the many court documents, that 66.55 (MNF) has made threats, accusations and allegations against any number of people. I would like to hear your stories. Based upon the correspondence I receive, I will make some recommendations to everyone affected as to whether or not a legal or journalistic course of action could or should be taken against MNF. I, upon request, am open to making selected court documents available to anyone directly affected. Next.

Police Investigator

[Bob Brinton (151.203.157.251)]

The above post from 'Police Investigator', if even legitimate, is entirely unrelated to this particular post; which involves someone who has been legally convicted. 'Police Investigator' is probably some GG flunky.

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Bob, PI happens to be right on the money with this particular case.

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Bob, PI happens to be totally right on the money in this particular case.

[Bob Brinton (151.203.157.251)]

Go back. Read the top of the thread. Then read PI's post. They are absolutely not related. PI's post was originally posted on another thread. This is just typical GG sabotage. And the fact that it's turning up again here has to make thinking people wonder if it was legitimate even on the thread it initially showed itself at. This posting compromises the integrity of the other.

[JD Skeet (205.188.117.20)]

It is time for everyone to learn something about the medium they spend so much time on.

When you connect to the Internet, either via your Internet service provider (AOL, Prodigy, etc.), or your office LAN connection, you are assigned an IP address. This address identifies your computer from the other computers on the Internet. Your IP address can be either static, meaning it never changes, or dynamic, meaning each time you dial-in or login you are assigned a new address for that session. Hence, different people may be assigned the same IP address.

An IP address is an identifier for a computer or device on a TCP/IP network. Networks using the TCP/IP protocol route messages based on the IP address of the destination. The format of an IP address is a 32-bit numeric address written as four numbers separated by periods. Each number can be zero to 255. For example, 1.160.10.240 could be an IP address. Within an isolated network, you can assign IP addresses at random as long as each one is unique. However, connecting a private network to the Internet requires using registered IP addresses (called Internet addresses) to avoid duplicates.

The four numbers in an IP address are used in different ways to identify a particular network and a host on that network. Four regional Internet registries -- ARIN, RIPE NCC, LACNIC and APNIC -- assign Internet addresses from the following three classes.

Class A - supports 16 million hosts on each of 126 networks
Class B - supports 65,000 hosts on each of 16,000 networks
Class C - supports 254 hosts on each of 2 million networks

http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/I/IP_address.html

The IP addresses used by both the woman making the claim against the pastors and "Police Investigator" are fakes. You can use any "who is" site to find out information about IP addressn or the holder of an IP address. Thus, "Police Investigator" could not possibly find out any information regarding this woman by using the IP address because the IP address is a fake. And, as an aside, local police departments don't normally devote many resources to Internet crime,because the Internet is multijurisdictional and that stuff is normally left to the Feds.

Currently, personal information is not used so much in the registration because people use services to register. Initally, one used to be able to get the actual name and address of the actuial holder using whois. Check out graceways.org and carlstevens.org.

www.internic.net/whois.html

You may go here to look up the originating location of someone's IP address. You will see that information regarding someone's specific address is not available.

http://www.ip2location.com/free.asp

In general, it is impossible to find the geographical location of a host – IP addresses are allocated arbitrarily, as there's no inherent connection between an IP address and it's physical location, and there's no reliable method to do the trick.

Yet, sometimes doing some detective work can help. More at:

http://blogs.warwick.ac.uk/java/entry/find_the_geographical/

Knowledge is power, baby!

[JD Skeet (170.97.67.91)]

"The IP addresses used by both the woman making the claim against the pastors and "Police Investigator" are fakes."

This is wrong. Sorry. BUt PI's story still doesn't hold water.

Her address is only identified as being from comcast, and PI's address is from a computer in a public library in Baltimore.

The whois I used this morning gave a false answer. This one is much better.

http://www.networksolutions.com/en_US/whois/index.jhtml

[Anonymous (209.6.151.215)]

Perhaps our "PI" would be better off investigation some of the allegations made against GGWO. Perhaps then we could get somewhere. LOL

[Anonymous (152.163.253.102)]

The average person would not be familiar with certain terminology and would be unlikely to compose a post as convincing as our anonymous PI. Hmmm, let's think about the possible authors, shall we?

[RJ (141.154.144.33)]

Yup...sounds like a clever lying lawyer to me. The kind who might actually have "some" real info that is "augmented" by delusions of granduer and the web of lies that ensnare...you know, get you minions to do the "go to the library and post this" so no one can discover it is an office IP, someone who has access to legal and illegal information...who tries to get people to email so as to gain more knowlege...to eventually cause a scandal to defect attention from the improprieties etc and sexual misconduct etc at GGWO.

[Anon Brief (152.163.253.102)]

Affirmative.

[rj (141.154.144.33)]

pardon the poor typing

[Anonymous (200.117.215.184)]

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

While IP's are commonly assigned dynamically by the ISP, their logs show exactly which client used which IP for how long and on what date. In cases where internet crimes are prosecuted, these logs can be subpoenaed. In the case of one ISP trying to track down abuse, such as spamming, another ISP may freely give info from those logs.

Furthermore, there is no such thing as a "fake" IP address. There are ways to cloak an IP through the use of software or telnetting to another server and sending mail from there, but there is always a record of the actual source of info sent over the internet, though it may take time to sort it out. One hacker who broke into some sites that raised attention (I don't remember the specifics) had telnetted through over 50 different machines trying to hide his identity, but was finally tracked down and prosecuted.

It was mentioned that a library computer was used for sending some of the messages. I've used those computers on occasion, and there is always some kind of ID required that is noted in a log for computer use. Bingo. You're nailed.

Whether or not any of the information posted concerning these people is true is not the point of my post, only that if someone wants to, they can find out who you are. Welcome to 1984.

[Bob Brinton (151.203.157.251)]

As somebody somewhere used to say a lot, "Be sure your sin will find you out."

[JD Skeet (64.12.117.20)]

Saturday, August 14, 2004 - 02:27 am:

I've always said that that people are not really anonymous; however, it is not as easy to get logs as you suggest. Companies have a business interest in not rolling over every time the Feds or $$ show up.

This is AOL's policy:

"AOL does not share any individual information you provide through the Service with third parties (except with your approval through the use of this Service). AOL may release specific information about your account to comply with valid legal process such as a search warrant, subpoena or court order, or in special cases such as a physical threat to you or others."

AOL has fought many cases to not produce and has won some and lost some, so you're right in that one can't rely on an ISP to protect you.

"It was mentioned that a library computer was used for sending some of the messages. I've used those computers on occasion, and there is always some kind of ID required that is noted in a log for computer use. Bingo. You're nailed."

This is not necessarily true. There are first amendment implications in the library. Depends on the political bent of the head librarian. For example, when I last used the computers at the Library of Congress there was no identification that I entered. Of course that's not to say that there's not a dozen security cameras in the room.

If a crime is committed, or if enough money is involved, someone can probably find out who you are with a warrant or a subpoena, but otherwise, and for our purposes, it's still pretty hard.

[Bob Brinton (151.203.157.251)]

But God knows; and He's unavoidable. Conviction is for the sinner; to bring him to repentance. If we don't repent, other things follow. It might take a long time. But hiding in Brazil won't ultimately help. God doesn't have to go online to find us. He's everywhere, just like those sneakers they used to advertise; come to think of it, not like them. He loves you, and has a wonderful plan for your life; we hope....

[Hodeuon (68.50.121.170)]

Going back up to the first and third messages on this thread...I, too, was wondering about why this man was identified as a "former deacon of the Bible Speaks Church". So I contacted the reporter who wrote the article.

Christopher Rogan was a deacon at The Bible Speaks Church in Laconia/Lakeport, NH at the time of the abuse. He was no longer a deacon at the time of the trial. The reporter did not know whether he had resigned his position or had been relieved of it. The pastor testified on behalf of Mr. Rogan.

The article was published in October, 2003 and posted to at least one place on the web on October 7.

In January, 2004, the New Hampshire Supreme Court accepted New Hampshire vs Christopher Rogan for appeal. The case # appears to be 03-0774, and you can find the listing at http://www.courts.state.nh.us/supreme/accepted/2004jan.htm.

Hodeuon

[Anonymous (151.203.163.174)]

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[hodeuon (hodeuon)]

On January 5, Christopher Rogan's conviction was upheld upon appeal.

www.courts.state.nh.us/supreme/opinions/2005/rogan002.htm (http://www.courts.state.nh.us/supreme/opinions/2005/rogan002.htm)

Hodeuon

[bob_brinton (bob_brinton)]

Thanks for letting us know that, Hodeuon. We're planning on having a big get together in August up in Freeport Maine. I'm sure you would be welcome if you wish to come. You've contributed a lot here.

[rjfernalld (rjfernalld)]

Thanks H!!! So good to hear about the good guys winning!

[abi (abi)]

Was anyone here present in S.Berwick during the years 1980-1987? I was a child member of TBS at the time. I did not live in the church- but I went to school at the affiliated Seacoast Christian Academy My family moved the West coast during the Baltimore scandal (in 1988?) but they were no less twisted for it. Not long afterwards I ran away, I was on the streets for a while and eventually was made a ward of the state. Legally I am an orphan, I have been fending for myself ever since. There were a lot of dark and disturbing things (namely sexual and physical abuse) that happened to me in those years, but I have a lot of unanswered questions since there has been no one to help me patch together my fragmented past. I am in shock that I found this web site! (I guess I was finally ready to look- life is stable and good now) Does anyone from that era perhaps remember the Coffmans? Friends of the wealthier and more prominent members, the Hills: David, Antoinette, & Buff. Who else? Well, I remember Nancy & Nancy (Alquist and Brown) singing their saccharine duets for service. To pass the time I used to mark in a bible how many times Pastor Brown would say, "Oh, Sweet Jesus!", in a sermon- it was always a lot. I remember the Waldens, and Mountain Mike who died mysteriously- I went to school with his son Shawn Fletcher...their laundry mat used to be right across the street.
Any other survivors out there?

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