Bema Seat Judgement

[shat_happens]

seem more like a "reama" seat judgment to me!

[shat_happens]

oh good, now it looks like i'm the one that created this thread!

was there an actual point for this thread forte? or did you post message without actually typing in any text?

[forte]

ha ha, sorry. I lost my nerve.
Need to do more research.
Grace Hour played stevens message on the bema seat.

[david_munson]

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Forte,
you're too funny.

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[bob_brinton]

I thought it was the Beamer Seat.

[david_munson]

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I used to own a Beamer.
It was a model 2002 "1973" I think and that baby could take corners like no other car I ever drove.

Just ask my wife,she's still screamming.
BUT
unlike at GGWO,I can hear her,LOL.

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[daved]

<font color="0000ff">16. Friday, September 8, 2000
Devotional message by Pastor Carl Stevens:
"Word of God evaluations at the bema seat" Tape #7625
Today's Host: Pastor Carl H. Stevens and Pastor Paul Stevens</font>

According to Pastor Carl Stevens:

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…Now, let’s take a few things that He [i.e. God] will bring up.

The first thing that He [i.e. God] will bring up is:
did you believe that the Bible was totally inspired?

Probably that will not be a problem for you.

See----------2ND Timothy 3:16.

There probably will be no problem...

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In one of his messages Pastor Carl Stevens said that it was very important that a Pastor teacher preach the "Word of God" "as it is written".

Daved

(Message edited by Daved on August 17, 2006)

[sidethorn]

Carl says its important that a pastor/teacher preach the Word of God as it is written and then preaches the Word himself with many of his own twists and faulty, private interpretations of the Word. Carl sure practices what he preaches!!!

[cordell]

One judgment. Everybody will be there. Lost &amp; saved. Sheep &amp; goats. Those on the left &amp; those on the right. Those who will hear "enter into my rest" and those who hear "depart from me...I never knew you". Christians who think they get their own private party are sorely misled.

You either have an Advocate or you don't. Either you have imputed righteousness from another or you rest on your own.

[forte]

Thanks Hodeuon!
This is from The discuss board:

The Grace Hour
Wednesday, August 16, 2006

Wright thanks God that Carl had the vision for Grace Hour &amp; its format.

Plug for Finished Work Club offer

Carl’s taped sermon: “The Spirit of Reconciliation”

“First thing I want to say is this: Every word of God will judge me at the bema seat.”

We will give an account for every word unless it’s confessed.

Commentary: This assumes that we have to confess every sin. What about the ones you don’t know? Yes, almost everyone would say we can make a blanket confession for those. Then why can’t we make a blanket confession at salvation for all our sins? Thinking that if you die without being confessed up to date meaning you’ll be judged is exactly the same thing as Christians in the fourth century thinking that any sins they committed after baptism weren’t paid for &amp; inventing purgatory to take care of that. Either Jesus Christ can forgive all our sin or not. Period.

Carl notes that Jesus ignored the Pharisees’ accusations against the woman taken in adultery and says that we’re supposed to ignore anyone criticizing in the same way.

Carl notes from James 2:10 that if you break any point of the law you are guilty of the whole thing and couples this with a statement that you cannot justly criticize someone without being sinless.

Commentary: But according to Greater Grace’s own doctrine, believers are sinless. What about restoring a fellow believer in a spirit of gentleness in Galatians 6? Does thins not include taking care of the situation?
(continued)

[forte]

Carl quotes James 4:10-11. “Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and He will lift you up. Do not speak evil of one another, brethren. He who speaks evil of a brother and judges his brother, speaks evil of the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge.”

Carl states that judging someone is judging God’s way of redemption.

Commentary: No, that is incorrect. It says do not speak *evil*. What about speaking the truth when a person’s sin puts others in physical danger AND hinders their Christian walks? In that case, I will criticize you, Carl Stevens. And it is a damned lie – straight from the pit – that judgment intended for you will fall on me. Stop lying to the saints, Carl.

According to Carl there’s forgiving, forgetting, and reconciling (God) and criticizing and bringing up the past (Satan).

Commentary: Again Carl is making spiritual things hinge exclusively on manner rather than on intent. He simply categorizes criticism as satanic. Should we rather let out of control pastors bring the entire Church into disrepute?

Hosts: Bruce Wright &amp; Tom Schaller &amp; Carl Stevens by landline

Schaller talks about not lording it over the flock but serving them. “Control and authority in people’s lives is simply not the nature of a real spiritual ministry that is from God.”

Commentary: Agreed. But Greater Grace is control and authority in people’s lives. If you cannot let a congregation leave your organization without setting a rival congregation to get people back from them, that’s excessive control &amp; authority. If you have to mark and shun those who leave and yet believe the cardinal doctrines of the faith, that is excessive control and authority in people’s lives – especially when you cut them off so they can’t “infect” others. Authoritarianism, legalism, control – three names for the same thing.

Caller: Paul, Canton CT – question about Revelation,

Schaller: It is the revelation of/about Jesus Christ (Rev 1:1). Chapters 4 and following are the Tribulation, which has not yet taken place. The last few chapters are after that – Millennium &amp; eternal state.

Commentary: So Revelation is neither a summary of the Church age nor a summary of the individual believer’s life.

Caller: Mark Phillip (sp?), MBC student from France calling from Tadjikistan, the Holy Spirit brings order to chaos; he sees that in the congregation in Dushanbe, some team members’ visas ran out &amp; they had to leave today
And pastor Artur (sp?), GG pastor Tadjikistan

Caller: Jerry, GG pastor Montreal – says Carl deserves to be resting &amp; reaping from his labors of love; asks Schaller why people lord over others

Schaller – Control is a substitute for a relationship. “That is really how we’ve grown up in the ministry, you know, with a real sense of freedom but a relationship that would keep us, you know, the love and respect that we would have for each other and also for pastor…” If you don’t have that, there’s a misunderstanding about what is a good church and a good pastor.

Commentary: How can Schaller say all the right things and point out what the wrong things are and not realize how thoroughly wrong Greater Grace is? Is “Greater Grace is the pinnacle church” so deeply ingrained as a presupposition that he really doesn’t see anymore?

Caller: Carolyn, Lynn MA – went to an outside service last night, the church was ordaining pastors including women, asks for the appropriate passages

Schaller: 1 Timothy 2:12, 1 Corinthians 14:34

(couldn’t identify speaker): This is society’s influence on the Church.

Total callers: 4
GGers: 3
Outsiders: 1

Hodeuon

[forte]

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