Lana Disappoints Jesus or Let Them Eat Cake [Archive]

sidethorn

08-13-2006, 02:15 AM

Sorry to the bearer of bad news for you Lana. Jesus is not an extreme right wing extremist like you are. He doesn't believe that all the poor and homeless are lazy while you say you're not!! He isn't proud and arrogant about being self sufficient while barely getting by!!! He doesn't believe unions are the problem while corporations are not!! He doesn't believe its okay for greedy corporations to export millions of good paying American jobs overseas for the exploitation of people in foreign lands!!! He doesn't believe civil government shouldn't give the down and out a helping hand to get back on their feet to find jobs that pay enough to make a living wage without having to work 16 hours a day!!! He doesn't think its okay to condemn and label everyone who isn't a right wing extremist like yourself as a bleeding heart liberal!! He doesn't believe in scrapping welfare in the USA just because some people want to abuse it to avoid working!!! He doesn't believe its okay to sit by a let greedy corporations price gouge more and more people into poverty!!!! He also doesnt believe its okay to prolong a half-a$$ed war in another country to boost the profits of a large corporation that a vice president has huge financial interestes in!!! Jesus is very displeased with the performance and stands on the issues of the sitting President, V.P., Congress, and the Cabinet. Sorry Jesus doesn't fit into your mold Lana. Remember, Jesus is not a Republican and does not support your extreme viewpoints and never will!!!!!

SIDETHORN

(Message edited by sidethorn on August 12, 2006)

yer_awesome_pahsta

08-13-2006, 04:04 AM

"He doesn't believe civil government shouldn't give the down and out a helping hand to get back on their feet to find jobs that pay enough to make a living wage without having to work 16 hours a day!!!

the problem here is that the liberals, while sounding compassionate about helping the poor, set it up where you are forced to stay under their programs. you can't ever get out from under them. if you exceed a set dollar amount, you lose the coverage (whatever it maybe) this means if you make $50 more, you are no longer able to have the given help, this keeps people down, you can't actually be poor and save money under these programs. don't get me wrong, i'm not saying stay on them forever, but long enough to better yourself. the liberal programs 9 out of 10 time do not have any means for a person to better themselves and get off said program! i mean free money, why would you want to better youself!?

...

i'm so sick of hearing about cry baby liberals and the war in iraq! fact of the matter is, bush is the only one to have the guts to go in and do something about it!

kerry goes off saying that we wouldn't be in THIS mess if he were in office! no because he wants to keep all the bad guys in their little boxes and hope for the best! instead of doing something about them so that our childrens, childeren wont have to deal with sadamns two (now dead)idiot sons.

hell look at this israeli war, the bad guys had more weapons then anyone actually thought...hmmm sadamn has none and they (his nieghbors) have more! either way, sadamn has said in the past that if he could get WMD that he'd use them! now he can't, end of story!

in less than 10 years iraqi will be a much better place!

louise_connolly

08-13-2006, 12:49 PM

Is not in a conversation the real issue labeling folks names like "liberals" or "neo-conservatives" the real issue. Once the name calling begins the conversation ends. It is actually a great way to end a conversation with someone who you don't wish to converse with.

I live in MA. I have a Republican Governor who is in a cult called the Mormons. I have a state legislature dominated by Democratic polital hacks who have been serving themselves from our state coffers for years. I find myself at various times outraged at both branches of state government and I also find myself agreeing with both branches. This is all based upon an issue by issue evaluation.

I don't consider Kerry a liberal. I consider him more of an opportunist who changes his stance based upon advancing his political career.

lana

08-13-2006, 01:16 PM

Awesome, finally someone with common sense.

david_munson

08-13-2006, 04:18 PM

All true and very good points Louise.
Kerry though,is a dangerous shape shifter.
Not fit to tend to dogs as far as I'm concerned.

Like you,I vote for the lesser of two evils.What other choices do we have today?
Both parties have their proverbial heads up their bung holes at times.

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lana

08-13-2006, 05:38 PM

Everytime I click into 'Mel disapoints Jesus", it just goes to the secondary thread and stops there. I wonder why. I wrote to Ghost.

orangetwopay

08-13-2006, 07:06 PM

lanner wrote: "Everytime I click... it just goes to the secondary thread and stops there. I wonder why."

answer: webTV

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beetle

08-13-2006, 09:18 PM

for those who say you have to be republican to be a born again christian you full of kaka, horse pucky, etc... i myself am a republican only on the bases of life being a moral issue, but democrats have good issues too. after all not all democrats believe in abortion! they do stand for individuals rather than big businesses like republicans. what does God believe in when it comes to politics? He doesn't like any side on man's government. we are the ones who insisted on having an earthly king. it appears you are not looking at this from God's eyes but from what you have been taught and after all you can't believe everything people teach you but only the true word of God that He Himself inspired!!!
if this is the lana i think it is (and i'm coming from a non judgemental perspective) than you shouldn't say anything and if it's not the lana that i think you are than i whole heartedly apoligize and i don't care how much all of you people read into what i just said because i stand and fall before the Lord All Mighty and only Him, not man!
as far as the racist issue is concerned - you appear to be a self rightious bigit no matter who this lana is. i say this out of the God given command to rebuke each other in love. i will be praying for you.
when it comes to the supposed stats that blacks are lazy and not wanting to work this is bull pucky also and where's the white american stats. because yes there are some just as there are in all nationalities. but in all reality only 3 out of 10 people have a decent education and 8 out of 10 people live in bad living conditions. i think those of you stuck in the baltimore trap just see 1st hand these stats living themselves out. you as a church need to be more compationate and try helping out and not passing judgement. here's an idea start a clothing and food bank to help them out, work with social services on getting decent low cost housing, etc... Christ said it is not the well that need the doctor it's the sick. well these are the sick in your neighborhood and you are the well so be their doctors and nurses in Crist name. "for as you do to the least of these in my name you have done them to me," said Jesus Christ.

lana

08-13-2006, 09:56 PM

Beetle, Its obvious you didn't read my posts, only those who misinterpeted me. I keep up with the news, and explore it in depth. Especially Free Republic and Fox. I am not a bigot! I have been a born again Christian for years and have helped many people. Political correctness has taken over this country in almost every aspect of our lives. It destroys the basic concepts of our everyday lives many do not know it. It robs us and puts emotion ahead of the absolutes of God. I reject it. Christ is my very life.

huisjen

08-13-2006, 10:56 PM

All I know is that the bible says to be liberal in several places. Now where does it say to be conservative?

If you like theocracy and morality enforced by special police squads, move to Saudi.

Dan

lana

08-13-2006, 11:16 PM

dAN, WHAT A COMPLETE JERK!

shat_happens

08-14-2006, 04:44 AM

"All I know is that the bible says to be liberal in several places. Now where does it say to be conservative? "

There is a difference between concept and practice; in concept we are to be liberal with our love, forgiveness, money to the poor, ect. But in practice are also to uphold the ways of God.

If you look at the liberal dems, their ideals are not what the bible clearly says for us to be doing.

Abortion is the hot topic most times in these debates; Liberals say that it’s a woman’s body, so it’s her right. The bible on the other hand says that our bodies are the temple of the holy spirit, they are his, and he gives life as he will, who are we to take it away?

The bible says that man should not know man or beast in such ways, yet the liberals are all for gay this and gay that. But on the other side should we not let them do as they will? Gay marriage, should we, or shouldn’t we? The bible says that a man should leave his parents and go to be with his wife, not his partner!

At the end of the day you can’t be at odds with what God actually says, even if you don’t like what he says!

I’ll use gay marriage again as the topic, libs love it, repubs hate it, now myself, I’m against it in the biblical concept of it, but not on the political side of things, like tax breaks and other such things. Many Christians feels that gay marriage is a slap in the face to picture of Christ and his bride the church, so I mean, we have to be careful to uphold marriage as sacred and not let it be bastardized. There is an iffy ground on this subject.

It's the old saying of love the sinner, hate the sin, you can't condone someone's sin, just like christ can't condone ours! Even if we feel that it's their right to be happy/in love, or what ever!

This even goes into other smaller things that each of us deals with daily, so i'm talking about myself here as well, there are things i know full well i shouldn't be doing, though i try to justify them. so i'm no better off than anyone else!

orangetwopay

08-14-2006, 05:00 AM

what i want is for republicans to get just as worked up about people who steal/extort/abuse people (enron, et al) as they get about the gay issues. it's so convenient for us christians to forget all the other sins listed along side the abomination of homosexuality. we forget that to fail in ONE part is to be guilty of ALL!

bonniescott

08-14-2006, 01:55 PM

Here's to you, Lana. If you're not a bigot there never was one.

May your mansion in heaven (if you make it that far) be filled to the brim with blacks, mexicans, gays, muslims and bleeding heart liberals on whom you must wait hand and foot. Or better yet, may God turn you right around and send you back to earth as a poor inner city black woman who is forced to go on welfare because you can't afford adequate daycare for your children while your republican buddies grow fat at the trough of corporate greed.

lana

08-14-2006, 03:15 PM

Bonniescott, You get the first prize for expressing total idiocy so well.

coral

08-14-2006, 03:28 PM

Bigotry
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For people named Bigot and other meanings, see Bigot (disambiguation).

A bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles or identities differing from their own. The origin of the word in English dates back to at least 1598, via Middle French, and started with the sense of religious hypocrite, especially a woman.

Bigot is often used as a pejorative term against a person who is obstinately devoted to their prejudices even when these views are challenged or proven to be false. Forms of bigotry may have a related ideology or world views.

lana

08-14-2006, 04:00 PM

Coral, You describe yourself beautifly.

forte

08-14-2006, 04:38 PM

This is asinine.

gone_to_pa

08-14-2006, 07:26 PM

Lana,

I love you no matter what your opinion is. You know they say everyone has a right to their own opinion. Or is it that opinions are like buttholes, everyone has one. Yea, I think thats it. Well, I for one Lana am not going to jump on the your this and that bandwagon, or the if you go to heaven I wish this or that happens to you. I will love you right where your at.
Now does that say I agree with everything you have said? No it certainly does not, but I can still love even when I disagree. Hell, I've loved my wife for 13 years and we disagree on a bunch of stuff, but she is also my sister as you are Lana. Hasn't there been enough Lana bashing for now. Oh yea, don't let me forget, that I love you too Coral, Bonnie, Louise, The LW crew, Dan, Forte, Beetle, Sidethorn, and whoever else i might have missed. I love all of you as someone that Christ died for. Dave Munson, I'm going to have to pray about LoL,LoL, http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif In HIS love Gone to PA

gone_to_pa

08-14-2006, 07:36 PM

IN CASE YOU WERE WONDERING, I NEED THIS VERSE MORE THAN MOST OF US, BUT I THOUGHT WHAT A GREAT PLACE TO SHARE THESE VERSES:

Love endures long and is patient and kind; love never is envious nor boils over with jealousy, is not boastful or vainglorious, does not display itself haughtily.

It is not conceited (arrogant and inflated with pride); it is not rude (unmannerly) and does not act unbecomingly. Love (God's love in us) does not insist on its own rights or its own way, for it is not self-seeking; it is not touchy or fretful or resentful; it takes no account of the evil done to it [it pays no attention to a suffered wrong].

It does not rejoice at injustice and unrighteousness, but rejoices when right and truth prevail.

Love bears up under anything and everything that comes, is ever ready to believe the best of every person, its hopes are fadeless under all circumstances, and it endures everything [without weakening].

Love never fails [never] {Amplified Version}

rjfernalld

08-14-2006, 07:59 PM

Perhaps not as asinine as it appears, forte.

As a whole is has the appearance of the very attitudes of people all over...some are narrow minded to the point of foolishness, some too liberal minded to the point of foolishness. Lana seems to be parroting the Bill O'Reily/Carl Stevens 1950's moral superiority view of things...sidethorn and some of the rest of us appear to be less one sided, less staunchly from the right, and are independent liberal types.

This looks to be a microcosm of the nation and I am of the mind that no extreme has all the answers, politically, any more than any extreme religious view can claim to be correct.

Maybe there is a lesson one can draw from this conversation after all...*shrug just a thought.

lana

08-14-2006, 08:07 PM

GTP, My opinons have been distorted. No one has explained to me why I am a bigot, and a racist, which I'm not! I have my own take on things with a different viewpoint that is totally disregarded. Its like I must agree with everyone or I am trashed. I am secure in my beliefs.
GTP, I lost your e-mail address, thats why I haven't written.

orangetwopay

08-14-2006, 08:12 PM

this is a test to help you know if you are racist:

http://liquidwaves.blogspot.com/2006/08/racists.html

lana

08-14-2006, 08:27 PM

I don't need anyone to ask me if I am racist. I just look for facts, they don't lie. Also, I am a proud Republican conservative constitutionis. I love Rush Limbaugh, Some O'rielly, and Bush on many things. I am for the war and against Islam. Now you have it.No place for me on Factnet.

forte

08-14-2006, 08:52 PM

And that lesson would be..? How about let's concentrate on loving each other as brothers and sisters in Christ and get each other through the atrocities of all the aspects of involvement with GG. Being a member, former member, anti-"cult" activist, whatever.

Asinine.

shat_happens

08-14-2006, 10:04 PM

Yeah but forte, we could even say the same thing about Carl Stevens. We are to love him as a brother, though we beleive them to be wrong or off, just wonder how many here are willing to do such a thing.

It seems like many love the sin, but hate the sinner when it comes to Carl Stevens. Even I myself have fallen into that a time or two, so i'm no better.

sidethorn

08-15-2006, 01:30 PM

It is wrong to hate anyone, Carl Stevens, Kerry, Bush, Saddam, Osama, whoever. All are human beings that Jesus Christ died for. Hate the sin but love the sinner. Sometimes that means telling off the sinner in public like when Jesus called the Pharisees hyporites etc. He still loved them and would not to long thereafter pay the penalty for their sins too at the cross. Jesus told the truth without being politically correct; he didn't always tell people what they wanted to hear. I for one also choose to love everyone out there no matter how much I may disagree with them. I value bluntness and truth over political correctness. If someone wants to spew out extreme viewpoints like "all carjackers are black" or "all terrorists are muslim" and advocate racial profiling, I will speak up about it. If someone questions my Christianity because I don't think much about their favorite political candidates or think the same way on the issues as they do, I will speak up about it. I did mean to be blunt, I did not mean to come off as unloving. Forgive me if I did. But I will stand on what I believe for good. We will always have our disagreements, but thats life. I love you anyway even when I play hardball!! God bless.

SIDETHORN

bonniescott

08-15-2006, 02:00 PM

I find Lana's hate speech offensive. When I am confronted by something I find offensive in a forum (or any other community) I'm involved with I say so. It's how I am, it's how I've taught my children to be. Maybe I'm too long out of ggwo, or maybe the very experience of growing up in ggwo taught me the importance of not being a silent bystander.

coral

08-15-2006, 02:08 PM

My own children called me racist one day, when I made notice that they were both dating people of different color. I liked the kids, but it never occured to me that I was not supposed to notice. I was so surprised how my teaching them of what I understood of equality had grown into the next generation, so to speak.

coral

08-15-2006, 02:49 PM

Lana, I can certainly understand where you are coming from. I have been there and sometimes find myself in a position of fear of certain situations. For instance, if I'm on a plane, I find myself checking to see how many people on the plane might be named Massoud or Mohammad. I don't worry about the white guy with the pin stipes. But I think our country has been so wrong in its racial profiling of blacks in particular that we have killed our chances of doing it for the right reasons.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=23885

I guess it is the fear and possibly the hatred that I am reading into your posts. I do not think all Muslims are responsible for these horrific crimes. It may even be our "white" country to blame. There is so much more to it than we can see, and we are often not told the truth. And believe me Lana, television is another form of brainwashing. I got rid of it.
When I fled an abusive husband that could have easily killed me, I had no money. I had to live on welfare for three months, and guess what? There was no way that I could find someone to watch my children because the child care cost more than I could make working in one day. Almost 1&1/2 times as much. So I could not work! I eventually sued the •••••••, but not all women are so fortunate.
I guess you'd have to be in the position to understand it.

coral

08-15-2006, 02:53 PM

Here is another viewpoint written by Richard Mathis to Neal Boortz in:
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_richard__060806_neal_boortz_wins_mam.htm

It's a dog eat dog world as I always said, starting with Cain. And now, my faithful servant, Neal Boortz, I award you my Distinguished Service Award, a tradition dating back to Cain. Hell no, we're not our brothers' keepers. If there's a buck to be made, screw my brother. Forget Jesus saying to do unto the least of them. In the real world the motto is to do the least unto them while making the most off them as fiendishly possible. After all, "Poverty is a choice. It's a behavioral disorder. Poverty, my friends, is a mental disease." Forget the New Testament saying: "Has not God chosen the poor . . . to be heirs of the kingdom that he has promised to those who love him?"

Let's face it. The Bible was wrong. Rich people are worth more. Poor people are worthless. They're cursed, not blessed like Jesus said. Paupers are not worthy of going to heaven. Poor people can't even buy a needle, much less a camel. The poor are disposable and replaceable. They are a dime a dozen. Take your pick from a variety of shapes, sizes and colors. Get what you can out of them, work them to death and cast them aside. People that get used deserve to get used. That's why I agree with you, squealing Neal, that in case of a catastrophe that "hell, yes, we should save the rich people first. You know, they're the ones that are responsible for this prosperity." Those who own America should rule America. "Letting welfare recipients vote is like letting the inmates run the asylum."

lana

08-15-2006, 03:46 PM

Coral, My, so many words, but so little said. So much judgement without knowing, or caring about facts. All poor people aren't pure souls. Many know how to work the system expertly at the taxpayers expense. Its better than working. Playing the 'victim' card is easier than taking responsibility for their own lives. Naturally, I'm not talking against the true needy. You over looked that. Emotion must not wipe out the facts. If you are so in love with the poor, how much are you doing for them, with your money?

coral

08-15-2006, 04:13 PM

I give away just plenty, Lana. Why do you care about what I give? Thank God you are not in charge of the welfare system. You wouldn't give to Daffy Duck if he lost his cartoon!(Where are you OTP?)
Scream your rage, Lana. Let it blow. Don't hold it in. You're entitled. You are superior. You are worth more and have the right to dominion. You are Mighty Whitey, the Mouth of the South and the Rude Awakening of the Truth. Enough already, I say, of all this mushy, sissy stuff. Make it clear that "Wallow too much in sensitivity and you can't deal with life, or the truth."
Not that any poor people should be on welfare, mind you. I'll never forget when you recommended that one of Katrina's victims consider peddling her wares on the street "If that's the only way she can take care of herself" as "it sure beats the hell out of sucking off the taxpayers." Don't be concerned, Lana, about when Jesus talked about feeding the hungry, clothing the naked or sheltering the homeless. Upon meeting Him, just tell Jesus that when one of the least - His very own - needed help, that you, Lana Banana, advised her to turn tricks on the streets of a strange city. Don't worry. You won't have to listen to that bleeding-heart Jesus for long.
Plagiarized for Fun

lana

08-15-2006, 04:42 PM

Coral, you hear nothing but your own frantic voice. Shrill socialist emotion.
Jesus also said He who doesnt work, doesn't eat. Jesus said to the prostitute, go and sin no more. Its like sin is o.k. as long as you love the sinner. Absolutely not! You are so good at revealing your hatred. I am unmoved.

bruder5

08-15-2006, 06:22 PM

Of the Seven Deadly Sins, anger is possibly the most fun. To lick your wounds, to smack your lips over grievances long past, to roll over your tongue the prospect of bitter confrontations still to come, to savor to the last toothsome morsel both the pain you are given and the pain you are giving back -- in many ways it is a feast fit for a king. The chief drawback is that what you are wolfing down is yourself. The skeleton at the feast is you. -- Frederick Buechner

shat_happens

08-15-2006, 06:30 PM

"It is wrong to hate anyone, Carl Stevens, Kerry, Bush, Saddam, Osama, whoever. "

the only person in human history that has a nice warm spot in hell is bill gates! every time my computer screws up...don't even get me started on that •••••••!

even god hates bill gates!

lana

08-15-2006, 06:34 PM

Another know it all. You haven't the slighest idea what you are talking about! If you are referring to me, I am not angry at all. Someone else is.

lana

08-15-2006, 07:04 PM

I was referring to Bruder5 in my last post. God, said Be ye angry and sin not.I take Gods Word over mans.

rjfernalld

08-15-2006, 09:04 PM

Lana

I am confused by your unloving and disrespectful attitudes toward those of us who have tried to talk to you. I am sorry for my sharp and unloving comments to you.

I hear the voice of GGWO in many of your comments, and it does prompt me to ask you with all due respect: if these are your views, what is it that you object to about Carl Stevens and his organization? i understand that you have family that attends there, but in all honesty, Lana, I have heard everything you have posted come from Carl's and other GGWO leaders mouths...it is what they are teaching their congregation.

I happen to know Coral personally and she is a very good and kind Christian. She has taught me so much...she is kind, giving, a teacher who gives free lessons to those who cannot afford it, when I am ill she is the first to help etc. I have learned how to be a more loving and forgiving Christian since she befriended me.

I also would like to ask you about how you feel about Rush Limbaugh being a drug addict...he said more than once on his radio show that drug addicts who break the law should go to jail...no exceptions....but he broke the law and he didn't go to jail. Isn't he a bit of a hypocrit? Curious to understand what you think.

I am not angry, not ashamed at all about who I am before God and am not evil simply because I am not thinking exactly like you think people should.

God and I are very close and he is a kind and loving friend, teacher, and comforter. I want you to know that God is a big enough being to encompass all of us who are growing in grace and understanding.

Thanks for addressing my questions, Lana. I am ill today so I will read your post to me later.

shat_happens

08-15-2006, 09:42 PM

Well Rush is good for what he does, and he was very remorseful for his abusing drugs. At least he, unlike Carl has admited to being wrong.

Here is something that no one has to be remorseful about...

http://liquidwaves.blogspot.com/2006/08/we-here-at-lw-would-like-to-give-shout.html#comments

lana

08-15-2006, 10:01 PM

Rj, there was nothing loving or respectful from Coral at all. She discarded everything I said and would not address any viewpoint but her own. She was mean and vindictive on everything I said. Many of my recent posts reveal why I believe what I do.CHS has nothing to do with any thing I believe.Saying that to me was insulting. I suffered greatly under that cult. Many believe as I do. I make a point to look into everything that I have spoken about. They are cold hard facts. I don't rely on emotion, but Jesus Christ.You people are more like CHS than I am. I will be off of here soon. Factnet has become liberal.

orangetwopay

08-15-2006, 10:12 PM

i want to just stand up for lanner here a little.

just because carl has promoted "republican" or "conservative" ideas over the years doesn't mean that those ideas, beliefs, or worldviews have ANYTHING to do with the cultish conceptions that drive the internal structure of GGWO.

what people here sometimes seem to forget is that the cult survives because of its similarity to actual, real, mainstream Christianity. its ability to maintain itself for all of these years is very much based on its chameleon-like ability to blend into the evangelical, republican, conservative landscape.

the fact (and i mean FACT) is that GGWO is really not all that different from any other Christian organization. yes, i've said it. it's true. the average person in GG is not some wacked out cultish weirdo. they love God, they love their country, they believe in things - just like we do. it's really small to label everyone who thinks like a republican (or has precise ideas about the bible, or who just believes what a lifetime of living has shown them) under "carl said that, so you are just like him."

just my own 2.2 cents.

OTP

sidethorn

08-16-2006, 12:46 AM

GGWO on the surface not looking all that different from other mainstream Christian organizations (including the politics) is a big reason its so dangerous. For many on their first few services at GGWO, it looks like a regular church, not a cult. A lot of the same praise songs, some of the same teachings, expressions commonly used in the overall Christian community, patriotism, endorsing Republican candidates etc. Not until later does one find out they're in a deceptive, manipulative cult that led them astray into false teaching and probably divided them from loved ones and friends.

dancer

08-19-2006, 07:25 PM

I been a "liberal" most of my life. I don't believe in giving 10% but 90%. I don't buy the democrat party as being "liberal" and the republicans have outspent the democrats something like 10-1, and that includes social program spending. The Iraq war makes the vietnam war look like a great success. More Iraqians die in a month than do Scot's die from hand gun shootings in 1000 (thousand) years. We fixed Iraq alright. Took out a miserable idiot and replaced him with a govermenet that has lead to cvil war. How many Iraq kids died in under their leadership in any given day? How many die now with the civil war?

Exxon, Haliburton, and many other major corp's have made anywhere from 1000% profit to 100,000% profit on the backs of American's. Exxon posted its all time high profit last period. Billions.

The economy is in great shape? Like hell. In Michigan in the Govenors race the Republican is trying to act like Labor is his friend. Both management and unions are to blame for the auto industry problems. Go look at Ford's website. Think its a bunch of Michigan based industry? Volvo, Mazda, Aston Martin,Jaguar, Land Rover etc are all Ford products. The hard and fat rule for almost 100 years was you can figure out how much money your auto company could make based upon how many cars you produced. Ford can't sell its cars, its suv's, and for sure its trucks. The Bush admistration encouraged production of gas nightmare cars with what a tax write off on trucks that weigh a certain amount.

Wait for another Katrina and see what happens to our gas situation and economy.

I believe in real conservative values. Like restraint hince the term conserve. Restraint in our military, our economy and social programs, and like. Spending our money is not Christian, its evil as far as I am concerned. Bush has outspent Clinton on the Military and we got what? A mess! Over 2000 dead kids and people who want to defend a President for being a hawk? Where is Reagan when you need him? How about JFK or one of the Roosevelt's.

lana

08-19-2006, 08:35 PM

Liberals are the permissives. Porn, No Commendments in schools, Oral sex from the most dispicable person and his wife this country has ever known. Homosexality taught in schools,partial birth abortions at any month, no oil drilling, unions pushing companies out. No plan, just Bush bashing. Cut and run, encourges the terriosts. I could go on but won't.

dancer

08-19-2006, 10:03 PM

Really? Tell me dear what has Bill Clinton, his wife, and other so called democrats said about leaving. How have they voted. You know when you are a senator it is how you vote. Joe Lieberman and Hillary Clinton have both spoken of changing the policy so we can win with better numbers, more troops and better equipment and assistance, and then get then get the heck out.

You know when Colin Powell came up with the idea of beating down the enemy with air, groud, technology it was praised by war hawks, including Bush. Now we have a ton of men playing police men, rebuilders, and trying to put down a civil war. Lana your buried any friends?
The top 4 brass in the military all said we are on the verge of a civil war. When it comes from your own leadership is it still lies?

We had a guy running FEMA who was more worried about his tie than those who were suffering the gulf states. Got a President who talks about anti abortion efforts and would be damned if he would adopt a minimum wage of $7.00 an hour. Guess we can feed kids on that. You can't say I am for children and steal from their parents. You can't say I for our history of a nation of immigrants and turn around and belittle somebody who has a different skin color or religion. I would imagine the native americans didn't worship Jesus when white folks showed up the scene. As Lana says anti Islam. I am as Billy Graham would say not anti any religion, tradition, heritge, skin color, or like, I am for Jesus. Jesus is for the ones who suffer. End of story. You can't find enough reason to throw a "but" into that. If you can you follow some other gospel. One that is bad news, and does not follow after Christ.

On Thursday the Isreal military dropped a bomb on a condo where they knew 30 some children were. We helped them with the intelligence btw. There was some so called terrosists (2) and about 30 adults. None of the so called Terrorist died. All of the children died. In the land where Christians and Muslims live and even where a huge amount of Americans live and do business bombs made in this country are killing children more so than terrorists. Terrorists to civilians according to the Isreal goverment is staggering. They themselves say its something like 1000-3. More children died than did adults. As Bush says we support Isreal in this action and in this maner.

I don't get the oral sex part. Next we going back to only allowing the missionary position? What the hey Lana?

lana

08-19-2006, 11:07 PM

You don't listen to the news only 29 people were killed in qana, most staged by a phony photografer. You said nothing about Israel and their devestation. You are with the terriosts, not America. Oral sex has become normal since Clinton. You don't follow the news if you don't know that.

beetle

08-19-2006, 11:23 PM

doesn't the church which is Christ within us mean anything to you people?he who thinks before opening nasty mouth is wise.(knowing all direction of biblical truth and where it may go before bla!bla!and more bla!

dancer

08-20-2006, 01:36 AM

Lana,

Americans died in Lebonon, not just people who are from there. There is a major University in Lebonon named for this country.

Staged? no the Isreal goverment said it indeed planned, knew, and didn't care enough to stop the from bombing. There are official statements from their goverment and they were very clear. There is no way if the roles were reversed this would be acceptable. Americans would acceptable. If Canada had us bombing us because we had some mad Rednecks in Washington from South Carolina shooting bombs at us we would bomb the kids in Quebec. What did the Leboneese Goverment do to deserve having its people bombed to death, its roads, hospitals, and like taken over?

Lana just 3 months ago President Bush was talking about how important the Lebon people and young democracy was. Now its ok because the Isreal goverment is looking for 2 soldiers and tired of a Terrorist group supported by Iran? Why don't they go take those who are really behind it, The Iranians? Bet you after the election Bush will promote bombing Iran. But not now when he knows it will hurt him in the polls. The Iran goverment is more dangerous than the terrorist in Iraq, Lebonon, and God knows what we are ignoring in North Korea. But where are we. In the middle of a civil war?

Oral sex became normal after Clinton. That is the most strange statement I have heard on factnet that I can remember. What are you a Puritan? No more like oral sex became normal after Jimmy Swaggert got a •••••••• from a prostitute with a condom on because he thought he could get aids.

No maybe it was when deep throat was released. Come on you think Clinton is to blame for oral sex being a norm? Your not that strange. Sorry Lana but as much as I think that Bill was pathetic for getting involved in an affair while he was President its not as weird as a President who one month thinks the young democracy of Lebonon is in important and then next month he thinks their children, airport, water, and emergancy supplies are un-important. Somehow only 29 people is a small number to folks like you. I bet if it was your friend, your child, your spouse etc you would not think that way.

Since when did killing any kid become acceptable to our goverment? They knew Lana, and we gave them the bombs.

I feel for those who live near the border in this area deserve our compassion. I am a Christian and this democrat vs republican stuff is pathetic.

Jesus was a liberal for sure, not a democrat. He gave up his life, and didn't preserve it, conserve it, protect it, or defend it.

The comment about Unions was pathetic to Lana. The top management of the auto makers in the US have been asking Bush to meet with them for over a year. Bush has met with Union leaders btw. So put him in the ••• kissers class with Clinton.

Have a great night.

cordell

08-20-2006, 05:15 AM

why the hell is it that everyone at hewlett-packard tech support is named Pindar Lahkajee Singh and you can't understand a dam nword that they say?

shat_happens

08-20-2006, 06:26 AM

"Americans died in Lebonon, not just people who are from there. There is a major University in Lebonon named for this country." true, though my point would be this, is there really anything we need AT ALL in Lebonon?

you know why i'm not dead yet, because i didn't go to the middle east for no reason/any reason!

and cordell, have you ever had to call up that ••••••• bill gates and his Microsoft ••••••• network? you want to talk about tech support that sucks, at least they could find some 3rd worlders that could actually speak SOME english!?

guess_who_is_coming_to_dinner

08-20-2006, 07:07 AM

"What we we talking about?" - Chicken Little

shat_happens

08-20-2006, 07:15 AM

"What we we talking about?" - Chicken Little

lanner and neil are talking about having oral sex with clinton, i think!?

i was talking about 3rd worlder phone support that sucks and...i don't know, what were we talking about!?

david_munson

08-20-2006, 03:10 PM

Life is a stage and we're all watching the main players of the last two scenes setting up the props for this performance.

Let's face it.America is in decline as a world power.It is inevitable.
Syria is about to get it's a$$ kicked in a short while and sometime there after there is going to be a very welcome man with some incredible answers to all of this "distress" focused around Israel.

Welcome to "this generation."

Now before anyone goes off on the " they've been saying that since the fathers " or don't interpret the biblical prophecies by using the newspapers,I would say that it is a conglomeration of simultanious events that make the time clearer and more evident.

Isaiah 17:1.

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guess_who_is_coming_to_dinner

08-20-2006, 06:04 PM

Boy, if only Jack van Impe would post next...then this thread would be even more amusing then it is already. Perhaps, Pat Robinson could have a word of knowledge to confirm Munson's latest rhema while Lana rails against oral sex! Lana, is oral sex ok inside the marriage bed? And, if so whom decides? Munson, do you read the newspaper and then the bible? This place reminds me of the country song, "I love this bar"...we have everything here. 'We got'...fill in the blanks, I don't drink my beer from a mason jar, but I still thank God for it! What were we talking about?

shat_happens

08-20-2006, 07:05 PM

munson, yeah, no man knows the time nor the hour, but lets face it, the hour is now and the time is short!

with tech. the way it is today we are coming back together like at the tower of babble, and when we all start coming together (in way of peace and love) we can only do wrong! it's just a simple fact of life!

sad fact is that war is probably the only thing that has kept god's wrath from coming upon us! we are doing it to ourselves so why should he bother!?

every generations said that they were the ones, but none of them before in the history of mankind has had the type of stuff that we've seen in the past 50-60 years! Just look the computer that you're using, that's very cool stuff! hell even lanners webtv is cool for what it does! j/k

dancer

08-20-2006, 07:06 PM

The Jack van Impe statement is great! I agree with Cordell. But tust me Dell has people in NC, Panama City, and India. Yikes!! Dave I hope you are right about Syria but as long as the US and Isreal avoid Syria and Iran I am a little hesitant to start thinking the temple is about to be rebuilt.

Lana what the heck? oral sex is to be blamed on the democrats? Is that a pat on the back or an insult for them? I know some republicans who don't appreciate you making such claims. How could you be so nice to Bill?

shat_happens

08-20-2006, 07:14 PM

guess who..."Lana rails against oral sex! Lana, is oral sex ok inside the marriage bed? And, if so whom decides?"

Well fact is oral sex would probably be thought of as some form of sodomy, and believe me, we at LW know about sodomy, as some have suggested!

Let’s face it, you’re substituting one thing for another and that to many would be thought of as sodomy!

We aren’t to spill the seed to the ground, so OS would be nothing but a guilty pleasure and all guilty pleasure ARE BAAADDD! Right? Personally I think there are bigger fish to fry, but that’s just me!

lana

08-20-2006, 07:35 PM

You missed my point. Dancer an I had a discussion about what Each party stands for. It wasn't about oral sex, but what Clinton did in the White House that crept into the public. I heard that kids in schools, even grade schools were caught doing it. It wasn't talked about openly before that. I don't care what people do, I was just making a point.

dancer

08-21-2006, 03:54 AM

Lana,

I think frankly if we want our kids to not know about sex than turn off your fox news and ean Hannidy etc. Go listen to PBS news more often and I promise you won't hear much about oral sex especially the pathetic amount you hear on Fox or major networks.

What each part stnds for? Where at the national level? Good luck. John McCain is somebody I vote for in a minute and frankly he is not a conservative. He is a moderate at best. When he gets the nod from the republicans they will make him out as pro life and firm supporter of all that has happened with the war. John McCain has voted almost identically with Hilary Clinton. He always on the edge of being pro choice like Alan Specter from PA. I am more conservative in social stuff than either. But some how I am more liberal? Shows how stupid this gets.

Oral sex is democrat? Lets not discuss sex ok? Its just dumb here.

shat_happens

08-21-2006, 08:10 AM

"Go listen to PBS news more often and I promise you won't hear much about oral sex especially the pathetic amount you hear on Fox or major networks."

no, you'll just hear about how it was his "personal life" to get bj's in the oval office! try doing something like that at your job tomorrow and see how long you keep it!

david_munson

08-21-2006, 04:31 PM

LOOK_WHO,
I don't read the newspapers.
I get my news from the
Jerusalem post,Ha'aretz,Ynet and other more reputable organisations.

Rhema?
I use a plunger not a rhema.
Rhema's are for the pipes inside where you can't reach with a plunger.
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cordell

08-21-2006, 08:49 PM

Oral Sex? Doesn't he have a ministry in Tulsa?

anon_brief

08-21-2006, 10:43 PM

Nah. He pitched for the LA Dodgers.

cordell

08-21-2006, 11:56 PM

I don't read the newspapers.
I get my news from the
Jerusalem post ...

What is the Jerusalem Post anyway? Sort of 'not really' a newspaper?

So Munschkin...are you buying blue and white? Listening to Lonnie Melashenko?

"more reputable organizations"...

Creflo Dollar has a special program for you, just touch the monitor screen and get out your visa card.

If you want to really know what is going on you need to rent "Team America" tonight! You need to get your free honorary membership in the--

Film
Actors
Guild

Like Matt Damon!
Dave Munshchkin!

Ronery...I so ronery...

cordell

08-22-2006, 12:12 AM

Of the Seven Deadly Sins, anger is possibly the most fun.

Marty what dead Catholic guy said that?

If you think anger is the most fun, you need to get out more...

you could join the
Film
Actors
Guild

rocketman

08-22-2006, 03:16 PM

(with apologies for misquote, it's from memory)

lessee.... "If my kingdom were of this world, then would my followers fight"
"give to ceasar what is ceasar's"
um.... uh...
Jesus doesn't have a political objective, y'all. Frankly, he spent time healing the slave of a Roman officer, while Jerusalm was under the heel of the Roman army. The man's politics meant nothing. His faith meant everything. His need was fulfilled.

He didn't worry about religious laws set up by holier-than-thou groups. He plucked corn, he healed the sick on the sabbath, He poured out his soul like water.

Me. I'm liberal, I'll admit it. I don't think Jesus cares whether gays get tax breaks or not. They will live as partners as they have for millenia. Jesus never even addressed homosexual issues did he? Not recorded anyway. (I DO know what the bible says so save yourself a tirade)

My point is that we should be looking more for his coming than worrying about whether or not the guy in the next cubicle to us is in an "unholy relationship". Your gossip and hatred is more important for your walk with God than your neighbors sin. Be thou Cleansed. Pay attention to your Own life. It centainly will keep all of us busy enough if we're willing to do it.

Yeah, I think Lana is too Pharasaical (sp) for her own good. Labeling people to deem them acceptable or unacceptable on any level only keeps you from seeing them as People, not only for whom Christ died, but who have reasons for having thier own feelings, motivations and adgendas... They don't have your life.

Read ... I think its Matthew 5 (I could be wrong) the sermon on the Mount, including the Beatitudes. If you think you have that down pat, let me know.

Thanks'
Jeff

rocketman

08-22-2006, 03:38 PM

Just read lana's post about oral sex

"Oral sex has become normal since Clinton. You don't follow the news if you don't know that".

LMAO what did people do for the last 5000 years?

david_munson

08-22-2006, 03:46 PM

Look Cordell,
that's "Munster" to you.
Or are you too young to remember that show?
http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif

I trust news from outside this United States more than from inside.
That is also not the only source I use but you know that already.

Hey,
you go ahead and believe the American news orgs.
I don't trust em and never will.
Sorta like lettin Ted Kennedy be your limo driver.Or your Senator.

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lana

08-22-2006, 04:06 PM

Jeff, Wow, you have me all figured out. Expressing my own opinions I guess is not acceptable to liberals, it seems to bring out hate from many. I don't try to change anyone. I understood, Factnet was for everyone. I've learned alot this past week., quite interesting. Romans 1

cordell

08-22-2006, 05:08 PM

Whatsup's recent speech on the Arab Solution (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9043165334627262473&q=label%3Adarm stadt.blogg.de)

sidethorn

08-22-2006, 05:22 PM

Expressing one's opinions that aren't as radically conservative as yours seems to bring a lot of hate and erroneous generalizations about people out of you Lana. You're so quick to label and condemn people that don't have your extremist right wing views about politics, social programs, and racial profiling. Just label everyone who is the least bit left of yourself as a liberal thats bad for America. Its one thing to express your own views, its another to condemn and mock everyone else that expresses opinions that differ from your own. You could learn a lot from Rocketman's 10:16 AM. post today if you would take it to heart. This is one of the best posts I've seen on Factnet in a long time!!!! There's a place for confronting someone with their need for salvation and forsaking of sins, but not in the prideful, self righteous, generalizing way you do it. Think about it.

SIDETHORN

lana

08-22-2006, 05:38 PM

Sidethorn, I was the one who was mocked. I did not condemn anyone. More than half of the people in this country think as I do. How do you explain that? HUH? None of you can say anything I said was wrong. You are the one judging me. It doesn't bother me. Yes there should be profilling, Muslams, and crime. Yes Homos are an obommination. Argue with God, not me.Romans 1.

cordell

08-22-2006, 05:43 PM

Sidethorn, did you ever wish that you were an Oscar Meyer weiner?

sidethorn

08-22-2006, 06:02 PM

Lana, you are so wrong. A lot of people in this country despise profiling!!!!! I am one of them!! How would you feel if you were of Arab descent, converted to Christianity and we're harrassed by police on the street, pulled over for no reason, given extra searches at the airport or other public places just because of your skin color. Both God and myself are arguing with you about that. That is an abomination and flies in the face of everything this country stood for. Are we to start widdeling away at the Constitution just because some terrorists attacked us on 9/11, or do we stick to what we believe in and let law enforcement go after those who are truly suspect instead of their skin color or personal appearance. If the Constitution is watered down, none of us are safe anymore!!!

By the way, plenty of Republicans don't think as you do. Thank God!!! More and more of them are jumping ship because of this current extreme right wing Administration currently in power. Those that do think as you do are just as misinformed and out of touch with the reality of many other peoples' lives as you are!!!! There aren't as many that hold your views as you think there are!! You're boasting that nobody can say anything you said is wrong shows your own extreme pride and unwillingness to face the truth. Many on this board have completely shredded your extreme viewpoints and you just can't see or accept that. Just like Carl Stevens, you presume your viewpoints are God's. Many of them are not!!! Maybe you should argue it out with God instead!!!

cordell

08-22-2006, 06:09 PM

Are we to start widdeling away at the Constitution just because some terrorists attacked us on 9/11...

I agree! Enough with the widdeling! Arrest Elmer Fudd before he goes on the lam!

lana

08-22-2006, 06:21 PM

Sidethorn, I would be glad to be profilled if it would save lives.Many Democrats are jumping ship because of the decadence happening in this country. The failed schools, advocating Sexual teaching of Homos in schools,sucking up to Muslams who want to kill us all, Christs painting stolen that was in a school for 30 years, no 10 commandments, hate crimes ignored for black crimes. ACLU, anti-God evil. If you agree with these things, you are part of the problem.

sidethorn

08-22-2006, 08:20 PM

I don't like the abortion, homosexuality, pornography, running of prayer and the 10 Commandments out of the schools, promiscuity, hate crimes (no matter who commits it), the hypocrisy of calling some peoples' hate crimes just that and not other peoples' hate crimes, the anti-God bias, etc, etc, etc. If you think I'm part of that problem, you're dead wrong!!! Neither party has done enough to get America self sufficient in the energy use either. Both have been kissing up to hateful Arab nations for oil for way too long, when massive alternative energy source development should have been started 30 years ago. Neither one is doing enough. That's a big reason I'm independant. People are switching parties for lots of reasons and thats nothing new. But they're leaving your favorite party more and more lately!!!

Now in terms of security, if you want to be profiled and harrassed by the police, thats your own business and problem. A lot of us do not want to be!!! If you start racially profiling people, the terrorists will just start using sympathisers of a non-profiled race (whites) to do their dirty work. For example, some hateful white guy could get hired by Al Quada to strap himself with a vest full of plastic explosives and radioactive material under a winter coat on a cold day and walk up to the entrance of a government building and just blow himself up, turning himself into a deadly dirty bomb!!!! All that racial profiling won't stop that one bit!!!! Racial profiling does not work Lana. The thugs and terrorists just work their way around it!!! Maybe you're for scrapping the Constitution and turning America into a police state which you may think would save a few more lives. Would you rather be a safer oppressed slave or live in a free country?? I'll gladly take the latter whether you agree with that or not. If we scrap the Constitution for security, the terrorists win. Think about it!!!

SIDETHORN

lana

08-22-2006, 08:36 PM

Sidethorn, We agree about a lot of things, I like that. The Dems. Have blocked every attempt to drill oil in many places. The Reps. haven't tried enough, I agree. We are at war, profilling must be a part of it. All of the terriosts are Muslams. They are all over this country. They don't assimulate as others. It hasn't been tried yet. So what if a few feelings are hurt. Thats a small price to pay. Too much sensitivety, and not enough guts.I'm sure you guys are getting sick of me. I'll back off soon. God Bless

hodeuon

08-22-2006, 09:02 PM

I think I should point out that there was a lot of profiling during World War I. Everything German was renamed. Germans were pressed to prove their loyalty. That's when the American flag started appearing inside churches, by the way. WW I assumed something of a holy war aspect.

After WW I was over, people realized how overboard they had gone. So when WW II came around, no holy war - even though the combatants in WW II were much easier to divide into "good" and "evil" than anyone had been in WW I. We (as a nation) underreacted in some ways that time. Unfortunately we completely overreacted with respect to Japanese-Americans. And it was a Japanese-American unit, the 442nd Regiment, that became one of the the most decorated units in the US Army.

I think if there is going to be profiling, there needs to be a lot more thought put into it than I've heard out of either party or from independents. At the same time, there are people who are obviously low risk, and letting them get flagged for random extra security scrutiny just to balance out the profiling doesn't make a lot of sense, either.

Hodeuon

lana

08-22-2006, 09:45 PM

hedeoun, You are right. Pearl Harbor was the worst tragedy to ever happen to us. I was here then. It was terrible. Yes we over reacted, but you had to be there in a way. There was no tv, just shock at what little we heard on the radio. Japs did it! Then WW2. There was no anti-war element in this country at all! Everyone came together, went without and backed our country. 911 was worse! It was Muslem terriosts. There are hundreds of thousends of them here. We all know their intent to take over the world! My God this is much more of a threat than the Japanese. Yes we must do it right, but be ahead of the game. It could be too lateif we don't.

sidethorn

08-23-2006, 12:22 AM

Lana, I'm glad about our agreements about a lot of things too. While we are at war, extra security is needed, but the profiling just isn't effective. If the terrorists know which types of people are being profiled (and they do!), they're just going to go around that by using types of people not being profiled. Common sense should be used here. An eighty year old frail grandmother is not too likely to slash a pilot's throat with a box cutter nor is a little baby whose name shows up on a faulty terrorist watch list. Everyone has to be properly screened before getting on a plane. Random extra checks on the little babies and the frail and elderly don't help much either. Perhaps using the extra checks elsewhere would be better. If someone is truly suspicious (versus being unusual in some way) then they need some extra attention. Every police officer in the country should be thoroughly trained in such matters. Thanks Hodeuon for bringing up the overreactions in the way Japanese-Americans were detained during WW II simply for having a Japanese ancestry. I'm very concerned that this Administration will make the same mistake by locking up everyone who looks like an Arab or a Muslam even if they're not should we ever have another 9/11 attack on our soil. That would mean some of my own friends would get locked up who I know first hand that they despise terrorism and what Al Quada stands for!!! One of them is a born again Christian and a long time friend. Should he ever get locked up after a second 9/11, I could almost guarantee a third 9/11 since this strategy would inevitably fail. On another matter, a lot more needs to be done to make sure foreigners in the USA on student visas are actually attending their classes. If they don't want to abide by their visas, toss them out!! Border security needs a lot of work in general. Enacting these measures would help keep America safe and still free.

shat_happens

08-23-2006, 01:28 AM

"Perhaps using the extra checks elsewhere would be better."

Or perhaps if the people checking weren’t complete morons, that too might help!

Lets face it, you had 19 jackholes all named Allah-Mohamed-assshake, all going one way carrying only box cutters? And please keep in mind that we are talking about more than one plane here too, because the last time I check Muslims don’t go to box cutter conventions!

I’m sorry but I’m so sick of turning on the news, and hearing the term “The 911 Masterminds!” give me a freakin’ break! 911 was a fluke, nothing more!

Keep in mind it’s these same fools that let 19 people (forget name and race) on planes carrying box cutters for God’s sake, are now also strip searching 89 year old Senators and whatnot, detaining them for having toe nail clippers!? I could just picture a US Senator on the plane yelling, “This is a hijacking…anyone need a pedicure?” Something more than a 3rd grade education is what is called for here my friends!

lana

08-23-2006, 01:28 AM

The problem is Sidethorn, this country doesn't believe we are in a war. Its something over there until it hits us. I thought 9/11 would galvinize this country to the reaity of our enemies, but politics wiped that out. The threat is still here. We have become complacent and take for granted, something is taking care of us. That something is Bush, who is bashed constantly. He is not perfect but is working day and night for this country. Name one Dem who could do better. I don't believe profilling is bad. Why are these people even here? We cannot forget their intent world wide. What do we need to have happen before we are wiser than they are. Sure there are exceptions, but that can not rule.

sidethorn

08-23-2006, 04:21 PM

Not every Muslim is out to kill everyone who won't bow their knee to Allah, unfortunately some of them are. Profiling will do nothing to sort out the two!!! It also will do nothing to screen out sympathisers who don't look like typical Muslims at all. People who don't look like Arabs converted to Islam too. How does airport security profile that?? Many Americans do believe we are in a war, they just don't believe profiling is an effective tool to protect the public. I even know of people in law enforcement saying this!! As for border controls and entry controls, that needs to be tightened up a lot!!

Very good post Shat. You hit the nail right on the head. Our security needs a big shot of common sense!!! Strip searching 89 year old senators and stopping infants who names show up on faulty terrorist watch lists make our security look like a joke.

(Message edited by sidethorn on August 23, 2006)

cordell

08-23-2006, 06:51 PM

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rjfernalld

08-23-2006, 07:32 PM

It ain't easy bein' cheesy, is it Cordell

rjfernalld

08-23-2006, 07:45 PM

Lana

Your attitudes here sound like the people back in the 40's who removed the Asians from society when America went to war with Japan and put them in concentration camps.

Just exactly how much of a right wing fanatic can you be? Did you not hear Bush prattle on yesterday that we will not leave Iraq while he is president????

Look, after September 11th I was all for sending troops to Afghanistan to fight the Taliban and bin Laden. After all THEY are the ones who attacked us. I was not, am not nor will I ever be for this war in Iraq. It was based on lies told to the American people, is causing more of the world to hate us and become MORE radical, and it is creating MORE terrorists than were out to get us in the first place,

Bush is an idiot...even his own party now thinks so and is distancing themselves from him. I personally am mostly concerned that our next president at least have some common sense, an actual brain and isn't so chidish and closed minded that he can actually lead the country OUT of harms way not further into it...be he republican or democrat or independent...hell, I still like John McCain and he's a republican. At least he actually went to war when he was called, and didn't hide behind daddy's skirt and play soldier like Bush did, then all these years later lie about it all.

I respect McCain.

lana

08-23-2006, 07:55 PM

RJ, Its hard to respond to someone who is so ridiculous and ignorant. You are almost laughable. Radical left is as much of a cult as GGWO. Pitiful!

rjfernalld

08-23-2006, 08:15 PM

Name calling? Your particular brand of self-righteous Christianity is very strange Lana. I echo coral...I too feel sorry for you...it saddens me that you actually believe that you are a superior Christian person because you espouse this angry holier-than-thou unspiritual attitude.

You sound more like Carl Stevens than even he used to. That is so very sad.

lana

08-23-2006, 08:35 PM

Rj, I wasn't angry at all, you are. You can hand it out, but can't take it. Typical liberal. I don't see much spiritual in you. I wonder who feels holier than thou. ???

cordell

08-23-2006, 10:33 PM

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sidethorn

08-23-2006, 11:41 PM

Right on Roberta!!! Bush is a true idiot that is waging a half-assed war in Iraq that is going nowhere. How much longer will he ask us all to "stay the course" for a war that was really about stealing oil more than weapons of mass destruction which probably don't even exist anywhere. Bush went into Iraq with no real planning whatsoever to stabilize and rebuild Iraq or provide a realistic exit strategy. Now we're entangled in a huge mess while companies like Haliburton (who Chaney has big interests in) rake in huge amounts of money on all this.

Then while Bush has done far too little to wean America off its Arab oil addiction, he's been threatening Iran (the worlds 4th biggest oil producer) with economic sanctions and even military action. He should have done a lot more to get our own economic (and energy) house in order before going after Iran so Iran would not be able to use their oil spicket as leverage against us. Just not smart!!!

Locking people up like they did in the 40s is not the answer either. This paranoid mentality didn't help in WW II and it won't help in our future either. I also feel sorry for you Lana. Some of Carl Stevens's ideas are still stuck in your head. The sooner you get rid of them, the better off you'll be in the long run.

whatsup

08-23-2006, 11:54 PM

Of course profiling is necessary...that is just plain common sense. Without profiling you WILL have the elderly grandmothers getting searched just to be "fair". As it is not possible to search everyone, choices must be made. It is a fact that young arab men are the most likely terrorists, and if some innocent arabs get their feelings hurt by this, then so be it. Better to hurt feelings than to have mass murder. Any intelligent arab or muslim would understand that. As for the terrorists then using people who are not profiled as high risk...well, that argument seems logical on the surface but would not likely happen. For the simple reason that not too many people would be willing to strap a bomb to themselves, no matter how much they believed in a cause. The only ones willing to do this are the fanatical muslims who have been raised since childhood to believe that "allah" will reward them in paradise. If you are not brainwashed from a very young age to believe this, it is unlikely you will blow yourself up. So profiling is a pretty safe bet and it is just plain stupid not to do it. We are not going for an etiquette prize...we are fighting for survival. People of certain races or ethnic origin are genetically predisposed to certain diseases and are told to be screened. Should they be offended? That is profiling for protection. And certain religions are brainwashed to be fanatical suicidal terrorists against the US. They need to be screened for protection as well. How quickly people forget the horror of 9-11

rjfernalld

08-24-2006, 01:55 AM

Oh Lana...I am not a typical anything *LOL* And neither am I angry, just exercising my Constitutionally protected right to free speech, even if I disagree with you (remember the constitution?).

I have taken better, angrier, more sane retorts on this board than I dare say you may be capable of. Liberal? Hmmmm...what part of my saying I was an independent didn't you understand? I am neither liber or republican, my dear...I agree with some of both extremes, I disagree with some of the extreems...I am ...say it with me now...an independent. And please remember that just because you are older than many of us, does not in any way make you more wise, nor does it give you the right to be so unkind to so many who have at least striven to answer your constant complaint that you are bored. We have tried to make you less so...at least give us that.
Ta Ta...have a nice life lana. I see no point continuing an attempt at discussion with such a closed minded woman.