Is FWM really independent of GGWO

[anon_brief]

If it is, then why was a GGWO school bus parked in the lot at 2315 Belair Road in Fallston (the new home of FWM) at 6:30 pm today?

[cordell]

Because it's all in the family.

[johncollins]

Didn't John Love say on the radio that people were going to the Billy Graham crusade in order to proselytize for gg? Maybe they sent the school bus just before the the FWM Thursday evening service so they could do the same in Fallston? http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif

[daved]

Just curious, several years ago all of the Sandy Cove elders of GGWO stated that one of their primary Goals was to reconcilliate Pastor Paul Stevens to GGWO.

Is Finished Work Ministries Pastor Paul Stevens' Church, or does FWM refer to another ministry?

Has Pastor Paul Stevens been reconciled with GGWO in Baltimore?

Daved

[boss_martian]

Perhaps this signals a categorical and precise return to the geographical will of GGWO by the IAGM, of course by making full use of the A and B channels.

What did all the Paul Stevens Fan Club members post?

"He's humble and broken and just wants to forget about the past."

"He's been getting counseling and he's all better now."

"Of course he doesn't believe that speaking against GGWO will cause death or cancer."

Rock, rock on...........

[boss_martian]

Perhaps this signals a categorical and precise return to the geographical will of GGWO by the IAGM, of course by making full use of the A and B channels.

What did all the Paul Stevens Fan Club members post?

"He's humble and broken and just wants to forget about the past."

"He's been getting counseling and he's all better now."

"Of course he doesn't believe that speaking against GGWO will cause death or cancer."

Rock, rock on...........

[dancer]

OK Phil I am confused. Which channel is first and why.

I also insist everybody review the following for inspiration.

http://echosphere.net/star_trek_insp/star_trek_insp.html

[lmao]

In my opinion Boss, it is misleading to use quotation marks in this type of discussion unless someone actually said those things.

[gone_to_pa]

Boss, misleading???/

He is one of the elite few that speaks straight-up truth and if he uses quotations, then someone said it. YOU better believe it.!! Speak on your Bossness LOL

Your brother /GTP

[lmao]

So if no one said these things exactly as they were quoted, you prove my point.

[david_munson]

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Those quotes can be found.
They are in essence on another thread and are not misqoutes.
It was said and that is exactly how I understood them.

You got it Boss.

Yo bro Dave

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[lmao]

If they can be found, find them. I tried. I can't.

I hope I am wrong.

[redsnapper]

Before someone lambasts Bossmartian for showing the unforgiving traits of that red planet he hails from consider this........
Paul Stevens just took the blueprint from Toopay Daddy and is attempting to employ it for his own benefit on a much smaller scale , with a few changes of course to look spiritually correct.

Of course Paul had to distance himself from that Godawful doctrine about having the same pastor teacher for life, but in contradiction to this Paul wants you to "love honor and cherish your pastor" as he signed the IGAM statement.
That sure sounds like a long term commitment Paul is requiring of members of his church to pledge to. Whats next? Tape recorded vows to his church like Carl used to employ?

Look on FWM website. Notice his 'schedule of events'. Paul works like about 10 hours a week.
But receives a salary from FWM. This is similar to the same schedule Paul worked at GGWO in Baltimore when he made plenty of time for pickup basketball/ fantasy sports on his laptop, free vacations in the guise ministry paid "mission trips to Europe" a couple times every year, in addition to jaunts Florida and Las Vegas each year. And oh yeah, marriage counseling/ cheating on Barbara.Ooops my bad!. Maybe thats why Paul NEVER spoke out against some of the wife beating pals in his circle like pastor Ed wagner or Tom Donnelly among others abusers.
Paul is still 'living off the collection plate' as Jim Kennedy so aptly stated.

Check on the FWM website for FAQ or 'frequently asked questions' &amp; there are NONE!
Is this an indication that Paul still cant handle any confrontitaive questions. Who is Paul really accountable to? That pretend Board of Elders that includes like 3 or 4 guys with distinct reputations for NEVER questioning their 'pastah teechah'

And why did Paul flee to Fallston?
To 'get away from all the blacks' as he was heard to say among freinds in years past, along with some of his choice black jokes.that paul...hes such a hoot! Black people, foreign students,non atheletes and those not of the inner circle were always the butt of Paul's disdain and jokes.

Suuure Paul is 'humble and broken and just wants to forget about the past' because he never did the stand up thing in the first place, like stepping down away from the pulpit for a year or so. He treated it like a job he didn't want to lose instead of having the balls like most men and women on factnet did when they left 'da ministry'

Look at the photos section of his website (FWM)
where are the couple hundred of people I heard about that followed Paul to Fallston? It looks more like a whopping total of 40 people tops.

Paul expected to succeed his ranting Toopay Daddy when Carl resigned but Carl was not ready to. Paul thought he would give dad a nudge towards the door by telling Dad he was concerened about his(Carls) oxycontin addiction.
That backfired for even Paul. Dad turned on him like Paul had stood by and watched daddy/carl viciously turn on so many others before him. Paul may have assumed daddy/carl would not treat him the same. After all daddy/carl used a half mill. of ministry cash to pay off Pauls lawsuit. Daddy/carl also never required Paul to step down or get outside counseling.
Paul is just repackaging Carls techniques and trying to adapt it to the year 2006 without changing more than he has to.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lame.gif

[david_munson]

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Hey Red,
sometimes ya just gotta be blunt with the truth.
Eccl.3.
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[isabella]

I'm not new here, but....

What in hell is FMW......????

Is it like the IAGM/GGWO/TBS/GWM...or what?

Thanks for answering.

Isabella

[isabella]

I'm not new here, but....

What in hell is FMW..????

Is it like the GM/GGWO/TBS/GGM/GIWO/GWMO......or what?

Thanks for answering.

Isabella

[daved]

Isabella asks:

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<font color="ff0000">I'm not new here, but....

What in hell is FMW..????</font>

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FWM is Pastor Paul Steven's ministry.

Finished Work Ministries:

http://www.fwministries.org/modules.php?op=modload&amp;name=Sections&amp;file=index&amp;re q=printpage&amp;artid=22

Daved

[isabella]

Thank you for the info....

FMW is the same as GM/GGWO/TBS/GGM/GIWO/GWMO..

Same old thing....

a cult is a cult is a cult...

it's only one, but it's still one...

P.S. <font size="-2">how's he (Paul) doing?</font>

[louise_connolly]

Excellent post redsnapper!

You reminded us all how these men and some women who left GGWO since an internet board exposed the place for the cult it has always been went right on pretending they were pastors and teachers without skipping a beat because they too are charlatans just like Carl. It is all they know. It is their livlihood. Taking advantage of people in the name of Jesus has been their vocations for so long now they can't fathom doing anything else. Ofcourse, if folks would stop following these phonies by attending their churches and schools they would have to get real jobs.

[daved]

http://www.fwministries.org/modules.php?op=modload&amp;name=Sections&amp;file=index&amp;re q=listarticles&amp;secid=9

At the link above, you will find the text below:

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<font color="ff0000">This Section is: About FWM.
Following are the articles published under this section.</font>


<font color="0000ff">Board of Elders
Board of Trustees
Introducing Finished Work Ministries
The vision of FWM
History of Finished Work Ministries</font>
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[lmao]

I assume that the FWM website is still under construction and will soon be easier to navigate. I also think that what they have published so far is great. The history page defines the cultic doctrines of gg pretty well and it clearly speaks against gg with no fear of cancer.


Will there be an "About the Pastor" page that gives a bio of Paul? I do know that his bio is well known to his congregation which is more than we can say about chs for many years. Whether we agree with it or not, at least the congregation has made an informed decision. Any seeking person curious enough to visit FWM's website will see the former connection to gg and are free to Google and find Factnet and find other information on the Internet and make an informed decision for themselves about FWM if they desire.

Who is he hurting? He has hurt plenty of people in the past and has admitted it. Some he blames on the teaching he was under and some he takes personal responsibility for. The point is that if he is preaching a clean Christian message and living a clean Christian life and not manipulating and controlling people, there is no harm in his church. Am I missing something?

That stated, if he truly wants to build a mainstream ministry of more than just former ggers, he will need to build an education and resume beyond gg.

[david_munson]

<font color="000000"><font face="arial,helvetica"></font>Maybe a few years in Dallas Theological Seminary would be helpful.
At least he'd get an accredited education there.

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[minutus]

Dallas might be a little far for Paul. Here's a few GOOD schools that are closer to his "geographical will."

http://seminary.bethel.edu/soe/
http://www.gcts.edu/charlotte/index.php
http://www.rts.edu/site/about/campuses/washington_dc/index.aspx
http://www.bible.edu/

[isabella]

I need to apologize to the Redsnapper. Redsnapper, I did not read your post last time I checked in. I was on my way to bed and my only thought was to post something, so someone would say hi to me. No one did. Tonight, when I checked in, I started at the last post and read the entries, going backwards….now I come upon your post and I regret passing it by last week and posting idiotic nonsense.

So well-written…so clear. It expresses exactly…the way it is…the way it was…’world without end’….Thanks very much.
Isabella

[greaterdisgrace]

Hi Isabella! Welcome back.

FWM, and Mr. Paul himself have an opportunity right in front of them to right some wrongs. It will be interesting to see if he follows daddy.

I don't know the details, but you can bet your arse I will when I call Mr. Stevens tomorrow. From what I understand so far is that Mr Stevens is counseling the person that could bring down Delaware's house of cards.

If he counsels this family to come forward and admit there was a cover up in at least 1 of the child molestation accusations, it would be the begining of the end. He wouldnt even have to make an admission of guilt.

Quite frankly he was done a disservice by GG covering it up. He could have gotten treatment 5 yrs ago. He could have had the opportunity to plead not guilty. His family wouldn't have had to live in the shadows of this crime.

So, what will Paul do? Send them off to Florida, out of sight out of mind? Will he do the right thing and report what he was told, or encourage the family to come forward?

Is Mr. twisted In Delaware shatting his pants yet?

Oh. PS apparently I wasnt suppose to know any of this and it wasnt suppose to go on fact F that I don't live under Greater Grace rules.

[greaterdisgrace]

Hi Isabella! Welcome back.

FWM, and Mr. Paul himself have an opportunity right in front of them to right some wrongs. It will be interesting to see if he follows daddy.

I don't know the details, but you can bet your arse I will when I call Mr. Stevens tomorrow. From what I understand so far is that Mr Stevens is counseling the person that could bring down Delaware's house of cards.

If he counsels this family to come forward and admit there was a cover up in at least 1 of the child molestation accusations, it would be the begining of the end. He wouldnt even have to make an admission of guilt.

Quite frankly he was done a disservice by GG covering it up. He could have gotten treatment 5 yrs ago. He could have had the opportunity to plead not guilty. His family wouldn't have had to live in the shadows of this crime.

So, what will Paul do? Send them off to Florida, out of sight out of mind? Will he do the right thing and report what he was told, or encourage the family to come forward?

Is Mr. twisted In Delaware shatting his pants yet?

Oh. PS apparently I wasnt suppose to know any of this and it wasnt suppose to go on fact F that I don't live under Greater Grace rules.

[sofree]

Poetic Justice - my own ears heard over and over again Wisot slandering Paul Stevens. He despises him and made it known. Hopefully, Paul Stevens knows this by now. I would hope he wouldn't keep the lid on things out of loyalty to Wisot/GG.

[boss_martian]

Hi Isabella!

Lmao, if you do some digging, you will find the words I've used in quotes. Maria T was (and maybe still is) a big supporter of Paul. She, and a couple of anonymous posters would constantly say those things about Paul. He's broken, he's humble, he just wants to move on, he's getting counseling, etc. This stuff may be archived. I may not have gotten the exact words right, but I think those that have been on this board for a long time (esteemed gentlemen and gentlewomen Louise Connolly, GTP, David Munson, Isabella) will remember.

If Paul really does know things that can bring this cult down, he could be a hero. If he wants to be......

[cordell]

Don't hold your fekkin' breath...