Your Recollections of Banned Music in GGWO

[orangetwopay]

we all know that GGWO hates most forms of music while venerating one of the most horrific - country gospel. i know there have to be many many stories of people here doing one or more of the following:

1) having a breaking/burning party with your records/CDs/tapes.
2) hiding your favorite led zeppelin albums when people in the church happened to be around.
3) finding yourself unwillingly purchasing church-approved music from bob soprano or some other tool.
4) having to repurchase the good music you destroyed once you came back to your senses.

i'm sure there are more variations... so what are your stories. come on, you lenox-era bible-schoolers - tell us your tales of going from jimi hendrix to dueling banjos!

[rocketman]

Okay, okay.. but this is South Berwick Days...

I'd just moved into the dorm in third floor, the old infirmary, and had no real storage facility. And I had ohh.... about 15-20 albums. Hendrix, Doors - Morrison Hotel, Ummagumma by Pink Floyd, Stones and Beatles,.. Janis... ahhh.. and figured well.. these I won't be needing.. so I had a tag sale out in the parking lot. There was a bunch of other stuff I was selling, but this one kid whose family was in the ministry, he must have been 15 or so, bought all the albums for, like $10 or something.

Problem is.. when he got them home his mother broke every one of them... I couldn't have been more bummed... what a waste...

However, my present wife has every album, 8-track, cassette, and CD she's ever bought. She throws nothing out.. and we have all the players to run them as well. So I'm catching up on all the bands I missed for between 1972 and like 1985.

[shat_happens]

Yeah What exactly is with Carls Dirty Lust For Yodeling?

http://liquidwaves.blogspot.com/2006/08/what-exactly-is-carls-dirty-obsession.html#comments

[sidethorn]

That rock music just soothes the soul!!!!

Glad I never bought those lies Carl Stevens was preaching about rock music. More legalistic crap!! Anyone remember Carl's rants about rock music around July, 1997 or so??? I heard he did a whole series condemning rock music right down to the musical beat of it. I've heard preachers claim that the beat of rock music is evil and attracts demons because its similar to the rythyms used by ancient pagans when they were trying to conjure up spirits (demons). This theory is a load of crap and CHS was spreading some of this himself. No, I kept all my rock music and have been adding to my collection ever since. I've been playing rock music in my car for many years and not once did I ever see or hear a demon, or see a UFO, or see anyone foam at the mouth, or hear anyone scream in some freaky voice, etc .etc etc. These legalists don't know what they're talking about!!! Wasn't about to give up all that great music for them or for an arrogant freak with a bad toupee!!!! Long live rock!!!!

[huisjen]

Yep. Rock is evil. 'Cause that beat comes from deep in the jungles of Mississippi.

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif

Actually, considering Carl's age relative to the birth and origin of Rock and Roll, this probably has a strong racism tie-in.

Dan

(Message edited by huisjen on August 28, 2006)

[orangetwopay]

huisjen, i can buy that, at least to a degree.

but i was also warned about CLASSICAL music, if you can believe it. if it was too melancholy, or too intense, or didn't have the right inspiration, i was told to be careful because it might "give me a weird spirit."

[forte]

That's because carl doesn't like classical music. He can't stand it. Let's face it, anything that wasn't to his liking was "off".

[forte]

That's because carl doesn't like classical music. He can't stand it. Let's face it, anything that isn't to his liking is "off".

[cordell]

Carl did not like classical music because Tschaikovsky was a queer.

I heard this from his own mouth years ago--that classical music encouraged homer-saxuality.

[orangetwopay]

so what you are saying, cordell, is that quite a bit of carl's hokey thinking came out of one or more of the following:

1) homophobia
2) lack of masculinity/fear of lacking testicular fortitude
3) lack of hair/fear of loosing folicular integrity
4) an odd voice, which he could use to identify with moses or paul (both of whom i've heard GG pastors describe as having possibily shrill or annoying voices)
5) a strange attraction to the music of liberace and an overcompensation against same

feel free to embellish...

[cordell]

We never could get Carl to understand that "SDG" thing at the conclusion of ALL of Bach's compositions...

[cordell]

We never could get Carl to understand that "SDG" thing at the conclusion of ALL of Bach's compositions...and we never could explain how "who dun whut to whoelse's woman steppin' in which behind the barn while drinkin' moonshine and gittin' drunk so bad that momma had to fetch us in the pick-up on the day after she got outta prison" was just as bad or worse than sex, drugs and rock 'n roll.

[escaped]

minor key stuff too was a no..no.

but he went classical when in Lenox because of the lenox townies and because of Finland's souls coming in that were classical experts and so he had them play for couple years

[rjfernalld]

I remember the service where he fell asleep while some of the musicians were on stage playing a beautiful classicall piece. *LOL*

[hey_you]

Minor keys were definitely banned. I remember that a song someone did had a cool banjo or mandolin part in it. The powers that would be wouldn't have it. Also, jazz was very much frowned upon. No one was able to do any kind of jazz song, until the high school started their jazz band. It must have had to have been sanctioned before it was allowed. I remember sitting a Grace Hour session hearing the host explained that the term "Rock and Roll" came from the phrase "sex in the backseat of a car". How humorous and rediculous.
I watched a service online once and saw them doing more "up to date" worship songs. However, the style was completely changed. No distortion was ever allowed with any of the guitars. The songs sound so droning with just drums, bass, and piano. Distortion adds a nice flavor to some songs. Just a few thoughts after reading this post.
Also, I remember my parents asking me to break all of my cd's and burn all my tapes of "secular" music; Hootie and the Blowfish, Dave Matthews Band, Bush, Weezer, etc..

[johncollins]

Many Christian musicians (not only at gg) introduce their set with a disclaimer that "we're not here to entertain you..." and then state some overtly religious reasons they're performing.

Why do they feel compelled to do that? The performers and listeners may have no qualms about doing lots of things for entertainment (reading, music, sports, gardening, etc.) If a Christian is admonished to glorify God in ALL they do, why do some contend it's sinful to be entertained by religious music?

In his new book This Is Your Brain on Music: The Science of a Human Obsession (http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/biblio?show=Hardcover:New:0525949690:17.46), a neuroscientist (and former rock producer) documents that "Music activates the same parts of the brain and causes the same neurochemical cocktail as a lot of other pleasurable activities like orgasms or eating chocolate -- or if you're a gambler winning a bet or using drugs if you're a drug user."
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[cordell]

So hey_you, is the black singing guy Hootie? Which one is Hootie?

[shat_happens]

Here is Hootie!! LOLhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cffi7vkQZcI

Just like christian Rock, it's all "from the pit o' hell!" Just like carl ministry and his bad twopay!

[dragged_thru_mud]

Does anyone remember the movement that claimed that Rock music played backwards featured Satanic messages?

[david_munson]

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I remember that,
they called it "backwards masking."
Funny if you think about it.

I don't remember who came up with the idea though.
There might have been some shrooms involved when some preacher was listening to a good tune from Zep or Pink Floyd.

Hey,
anythings possible.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/biggrin.gif

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[whatsup]

Yes there were some tapes out, I think they were called "ROCK A BYE BABY"...they taught the backwards masking and actually played some songs backwards as examples. I remember "Hotel California" was one of the songs they used to show all the satanic references, not backwards, but right in the words of the song

[shat_happens]

Like this stuff...very cool! http://jeffmilner.com/backmasking.htm

[louise_connolly]

I could barely decipher ‘Satan’ on “Stairway to Heaven”. The rest I only heard mumbo jumbo.

Rocketman, don’t forget Pearl Jam as you catch up.

Forte, what you said is so true! Whatever Carl the country bumpkin did not like was off. Many of us just blindly acquiesced and lots of times contrary to our better judgment.

Rather than repeat myself, here is my Rock 'n Roll loss of music albums story:
http://www.factnet.org/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=3&amp;post=171833#POST171833

[shat_happens]

Here is some Carl BackMaskage for ya all!

http://liquidwaves.blogspot.com/2006/09/carl-backmasked.html#comments

[huisjen]

Cordell, there is no Hootie. It's just the name of the band. Your question makes as much sense as asking which one is Jefferson Airplane, or the line from Pink Floyd's "Have a Cigar":

The band is just fantastic, that is really what I think.
Oh by the way, which one's Pink?

When I was in college I had a turntable and a copy of stairway to heaven on vinyl. The only clear line when it was played backwards was "I wish it would snow." Forwards the line is "wants to be sure." Clearly this must be a reverence to cocaine or skiing or something.

Dan

[whatsup]

which one was Diana Ross?

[cordell]

OK smartarse, I know which one's Fleetwood and which one's Mac!

(Actually, I did know that the black singing guy was a blowfish)

[cordell]

I don't know guys, I think there is some pretty convincing evidence (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6j475XI1Xg) that certain kinds of music can be dangerous! Myahii, Myahuu, Myahaa, Myahahaa!

[minutus]

Jazz, classical, rock, Christian groups - it's taken me a long time to get caught up after 12 years in the Mother Ship.

Which one is Jefferson?

[minutus]

Speaking of Pink Floyd, here's a song for those in the Mother Ship:

Welcome my son, welcome to the machine.
Where have you been? its alright I know where you've been.
You've been in the Plaza, dulling your mind, becoming a clone and raising up drones.
You like my toupee, it lures all the babes,
And you don't like real school, and you know you're only a tool,
So welcome to the machine.

Welcome my son, welcome to the machine.
What did you dream? its alright I told you what to dream.
You dreamed of a pulpit star, deserve the best because of who you are,
Your loyalty will get you far. You love to drive the best of cars.
So welcome to the machine.

[cordell]

Is there really a new cult (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi3gyp8fEQA) based on this song? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSUBVHIDHPE) We are all likely to be affected (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoI0AUAcBJ8) and it's all this guy's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdt1DxGrQv4) doing. You've been warned.

And here is substantive proof that this numanuma stuff is from the DEVIL! (http://numanuts.blogspot.com/2006/05/satanic-numa.html)


In my humble opinion, most of these numanuma remakes are amateurish compared to some of the stuff from our friends at Liquid Waves...Is there a CarlNuma out there in the making?

(Message edited by cordell on September 10, 2006)

[orangetwopay]

lol, thanks cordell (actually i think one of the LW crew is working on a NUMA NUMA CARL number)

but we all know that carl loves yodeling... but does he like THIS yodeling?

http://liquidwaves.blogspot.com/2006/09/carl-likes-yodeling-but-not-like-this.html

[sidethorn]

Thanks OTP. I haven't heard this one in years. Man these guys rock and yodel too. Great song to jam on the air guitar to as well!!!

[huisjen]

I think you (Cordell) mean MacVie. Take your pick. Eventually there were two with that name.

Dan

[anova]

I borrowed a record from the Lenox library. It was a sacred oratorio for orchestra and chorus written by Edward Elgar entitled: The Apostles. On the cover of the album was a painting of Jesus.
I brought it into the snack bar and sat down with one of Carl's secretaries. She looked it over with deep suspicion bordering on disgust and pronounced, "That's weeeeeeird!"



Good thing I didn't bring in one of my Bonzo Dog Band records.

[cordell]

Don't try to take me to rock n roll school huisjen, I am just playin' with ya. Christine's name was Perfect before she married MacVie (and then divorced). IMHO, she's a better vocalist than Stevie Nicks. It all began in the UK as Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac...

(Don't I remember wiping your snotty nose in the front building of S.Berwick? And which one of you lot did I lug up those stairs asleep to toss you onto your bunks?)

[kupski]

I still deal with SEVERAL pastors and X pastors who have this mentality that ONLY the bluggrass or country western is Holy ......

dont come to Florida Y'all
its messed up here.

[cordell]

Some states have their own holy places (http://www.texasrebelradio.com/). Have a listen.

[bjerwin]

I hope that wasn't the secretary that you married dear Anova? LOL.

I'm just glad I discovered Fleetwood Mack 5 years ago and the Eagles. Wow the music we missed!!!

Anova, it is time for you and your lovely wife to visit us down here!!!!

[bruder5]

Perhaps Cordell will remember this but by 1973 Larry Norman's album "Just visiting this planet" was being "marked". Rememeber this line from Wish we'd all been ready?

Two men walking up a hill
One disappears
and one's left standing still
I wish we'd all been ready.

listening to Love Song, Children of the Day and The Resurrection Band got lost. David McAdam was writing some good stuff but it only made the stage occasionally. Sylvia Ashby sang in the hallways and raised the idea that 224 Maine Street may actually be a waiting room in hell. I do remember Ron Kelly singing "the king is coming" and Bob Olivadoti singing "there but for the grace of God...." which as it turns out is very weird but has an almost sacred memory attached. Sort of a narrative home.

[cordell]

Bruder:
From the same era, I think?:


<font color="0000ff">"I want the People to know That He saved my soul,
But I still like to listen to the radio,
They say Rock 'n Roll is wrong ,
They'll give me one more chance.
I feel so good I want to get up &amp; dance.
I know what's right , I know what's wrong,
I don't confuse it.
All I'm really trying to say Is ,

Why should the devil have all the good
music?

I've been filled, I feel okay ,

Jesus is the rock and He rolled my blues
away.

They say to cut my hair, they're driving me insane.

I grew it out long to
make room for my brain.</font>

Shoulda left it long, right?

[cordell]

BTW, read the following 2nd bio (http://www.larrynorman.com/bio.html) on Larry Norman. He is not well, and is selling off all his mementos to raise money for his medical bills.

[orangetwopay]

i wonder if the GGWO "G-Unit" would like this song going out on a sunday morning.... (image only... click it to hear the tune)

http://liquidwaves.blogspot.com/2006/09/ya-ya-grill-ya-ya-ya-grill.html

[orangetwopay]

regarding long hair.... mine is down to my lumbar region. long hair takes committment baby. rock on!

[herkeybird]

(Don't I remember wiping your snotty nose in the front building of S.Berwick? And which one of you lot did I lug up those stairs asleep to toss you onto your bunks?)

C'mon, Jim, slamming someone for who they were 30 years ago is never a reasonable response, and all the more so in a group like this. You're showing your less attractive side.

Besides, as some of us learned from very personal experience, older does not equal smarter or better educated.

[cordell]

I have in the past 40 years wiped a lot of snotty noses and tossed lots of sleeping kids onto bunks, and Herky, did not ever look upon that action as a slam--just an activity by one who is older for one who is much younger. You were kids 30 years ago. And to put it a different way, I was secretly listening in that same front building (on my one most prized possession--a shortwave AM/FM radio w/single earphone!) to the stuff some are trying to lecture me on when you were kids. OK? Agreed, older does not always equal smarter or better educated--but it does equal a longer memory--should one retain the faculties.

I would happily match the 4 of you on Rock N Roll Jeopardy anyday. You may have heard ? and the Mysterions and Bubblepuppy, but I can remember what they look like. You may,i.e., own a copy of and know all the words to the songs on "Are You Experienced"--you may have seen every existing film of the guy--but I saw Hendrix live in '68 at the Municipal Auditorium in San Antonio--when after a helluva performance of 'Wild Thing' (some of it played with his teeth) he set his guitar on fire on stage...far as I know, there are no repeat performances going. You may indeed be smarter, and better educated--but I was there and can remember it well. thankyouthankyouverymuch.

[cordell]

Here's a little trivia for you Huisjens:

What was your Mom's favorite menu item at Chute's bakery?

(imagine clockticky gameshow music here)

[kupski]

Here ya go. A bud of mine just sent this to me and I cant stop laughing...this is a funny funny song. Hits home. I think everyone of us can Identify to it.
LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-TjYzAQUo8

[sidethorn]

Thanks a whole lot for this song Kupski. This one really hits home. Reminds me of times I had to choose between God and selfish GGWO pastors and their own desires. They wanted my heart, but they will never have it. I'm not for sale to them or anyone else. Guess thats a big reason I've been ousted and marked from GGWO. Its so much better to be out and free of all their interferance. GGWO is an example of what can happen in a church where the pastors refuse to have God in charge and have their hearts sold out for Christ. Instead they serve their own desires and agendas. Instead of having the life of God there, they have a dead religeon of dos and don'ts with the performance mentality, egos, arrogance, and dead works. Worse yet, Carl demanded that he and his insiders be peoples' intermediaries between them and Christ as he brainwashed them into complete blind loyalty and obedience to the GGWO leadership. Of course whatever Carl liked was deemed acceptable and holy. Whatever Carl didn't like was deemed evil and unacceptable. Of course music was no exeption to this. So we have all those many forms of banned music at GGWO, just because Carl doesn't like it. There's so many different kinds of great music to enjoy. Such a shame Carl and his inner circle would rather opt to miss out on it and cling to their narrow minded existance.

[cordell]

One guy who didn't sell out (http://www.worship.com/steve_camp_107_theses.htm) is Steve Camp. His blog (http://stevenjcamp.blogspot.com/) on a variety of issues.

[huisjen]

Mom's favorite menu item? Who knows... This being Maine it was probably made of grease and white flour. Dad has better taste in food.

Regarding Jimi in concert: Well, I've had carnations dropped on me and a quarter million others by an Otis Spunkmeyer DC3 while the Dead jammed in Golden Gate Park Polo Fields. That show also included Bobby McFerrin singing The Star Spangled Banner ala Hendrix, and almost everyone else who made rock music professionally and lived in SF. I've heard Richard Thompson perform guitar with only David Thompson (no relation) on stand up bass for back-up. I've heard the wind whistle through the regrowth and patchy snow around Mt. St. Hellens on a spring day. I wouldn't trade your life for mine.

Dan

[cordell]

Grease and white flour is pretty damn close:

Here it is! (http://www.nonassweets.com/Creme%20Horn.JPG)

Don't worry, be happy and Fairport Convention gone Cropedy, too.

[orangetwopay]

"just a roll, just a roll.... just a roll on yer drum..."


i was (and still am) always partial to jethro tull though....


and for ****es n jiggles: http://liquidwaves.blogspot.com/2006/09/spittle-runs-down-beard-awesome.html

DON'T LET YER SPITTLE RUN DOWN YER BEARD!!

[kupski]

Heres a couple songs some of you might of missed in your time.
The Who
were pretty cool and wrote some great songs.

Tommy:
Welcome to the Camp,
I guess you all know why we're here.
My name is Tommy
and I became aware this year

If you want to follow me,
you've got to play pinball.
And put in your earplugs
put on your eyeshades
you know where to put the cork

Hey you getting drunk, so sorry!
I've got you sussed.
Hey you smoking Mother Nature!
This is a bust!
Hey hung up old Mr. Normal,
Don't try to gain my trust!
'Cause you ain't gonna follow me any of those ways
Although you think you must

Guests:
We're not gonna take it
We're not gonna take it
We're not gonna take it
We're not gonna take it

We're not gonna take it
Never did and never will
We're not gonna take it
Gonna break it, gonna shake it,
let's forget it better still

Tommy: Now you can't hear me,
your ears are truly sealed.
You can't speak either,
your mouth is filled.
You can't see nothing,
and pinball completes the scene.
Here comes Uncle Ernie to guide you to
Your very own machine.

Guests:
We're not gonna take it
We're not gonna take it
We're not gonna take it
We're not gonna take it

We're not gonna take it
Never did and never will
Don't want no religion
And as far as we can tell
We ain't gonna take you
Never did and never will
We're not gonna take you
We forsake you
Gonna rape you
Let's forget you better still.

Tommy:
See me.
Feel me.
Touch me.
Heal me.


or how about this one

I'M FREE-I'm free,
And freedom tastes of reality,
I'm free-I'm free,
AN' I'm waiting for you to follow me.

If I told you what it takes
to reach the highest high,
You'd laugh and say 'nothing's that simple'
But you've been told many times before
Messiahs pointed to the door
And no one had the guts to leave the temple!

I'm free-I'm free
And freedom tastes of reality

I'm free-I'm free
And I'm waiting for you to follow me.

Chorus:

How can we follow?
How can we follow?

[johncollins]

I recently bought a DVD of Tommy as recorded back in 1989. Part of a 3 disc set. Who fans -- I highly recommend it.

The two remaining band members (Daltry and Townshend) are on tour right now -- and play Baltimore (http://virginfest.com/) this Saturday... Set lists from earlier concerts on this tour don't list "We're not gonna take it," but they are performing "Won't Get Fooled Again" (http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/3/13436.html?1136084631#POST198018).

[kupski]

There ya go ! " Won't get "Greater Graced" again !

[louise_connolly]

The two remaining members of ‘The Who’ came through the Boston area but I couldn't bring myself to go. I saw the play, ‘Tommy’, when it was on Broadway. I absolutely loved it. Of course, I also absolutely loved seeing Monty Python's ‘Spamalot’ on Broadway. It is odd to grow older and watch what we thought so rebellious become the establishment. A play of Bob Dylan's music is in previews on Broadway right now.

A couple of months ago I went through a toll booth in Portland, ME with "Won't Get Fooled Again" blasting on the CD. The toll booth guy said he loved the Who. You know what? He looked familiar like maybe someone from TBS when I was there.