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cordell
09-30-2006, 03:58 AM
The really big lie that Jim Buckley and his ilk would have us believe is that the moral law does not apply to us as believers in the so-called 'Church Age' or 'dispensation'.

The point is that Jim Buckley and all the other dispensationalists who agree with him assign all of the Old Testament and much of the New Testament to be primarily applicable to some other age whether it be past or future.

In order to be pious and 'Christ-like' they invent new doctrines that have their origin in the 'higher life' movement of the late 19th century.

The fact of the matter is, however, that we are all still subject to the content of the Decalogue as the apostle Paul plainly makes clear in most of his epistles. This law is summarized by Christ when he commands us to love God and our neighbor. He is not inventing a new doctrine--he is REITERATING the Ten Commandments.

They are for us and they are for now. They are supposedly written on our hearts as the result of regeneration.

What we have in this modern representation of Buckley's sort of dispensationalism is a concoction of gnosticism, pietism, chiliasm and most predominantly--antinomianism.

Christianity becomes some sort of esoteric and mystical religion rather than regenerative faith in the person of Christ. In other words, Jim Buckley and others like him are preaching another Jesus. This Jesus is vaporous and inhuman. He is unapproachable and desires for us to know 'methods' and 'impersonal love' rather than the simplicity of the gospel of the kingdom and of grace--this is by the way a single gospel.

In addition, Jim Buckley and other dispensationalists wrongly divide the people of God. There is only one people--not an earthly and a heavenly. There is one body, not two. They love to talk of 'replacement' theology rather than seeing that the Christian church is rather 'fulfillment' theology which is the truth taught by the New Testament--God has made of the two, Jews and Gentiles, One New Man. He has made us heirs together of the promises and children of Abraham.

Wait for the pretribulational rapture bus if you want--when you do that you prove that you are here for no reason at all and have no connecting point with your world and no responsibility for it. You take God's commands to take dominion over the earth in both testaments and run them into the dirt. To you caring for the earth, it's creatures and humans is like shining the brass on the Titanic. Yet God has called his Creation good and has called us to reproduce in his image.

This theology of Buckley's has nothing at all to do with real historic Christianity--it's a true replacement theology--a replacement for the apostolic and holy faith of our fathers.

cordell
09-30-2006, 02:47 PM
How's this for plain and simple (yes, I'm afraid it's a rerun) Scripture teaches TWO things--yep, that's it just TWO things:

1. What we must believe concerning God.

2. What God requires of us.

In the second category there are TWO areas:

1. What God requires of us in the Law.

2. What God requires of us in the Gospel.

First thing to learn about God:

He gets to be God and you don't. (as in "In the beginning GOD CREATED...)

david_munson
09-30-2006, 03:27 PM
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"First thing to learn about God:

He gets to be God and you don't."
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cordell
09-30-2006, 04:29 PM
Read all you like of Buckley's Public Lie and his Cross-bearing--they are easily categorized as behaviorially constraining or alternatively restraining doctrines couched in language rich with quoted scripture yet as our friend LMAO has pointed out, devoid of any contextual application.

Long ago the Roman Catholic Church established a doctrine of "works of supererogation" which were meritorious works in excess of what was required by Scripture. Our hyperpious and hyperdispensationalist friends will on the one hand--as Buckley does with CHS--say that it is all of grace, positional truth, etc. ad nauseam, yet on the other hand the rest of us in the rank and file must obey all these 'doctrines' revealed by 'God's appointed messengers' in excess of the requirements of Scripture. Same song, new singer.

Our dispie friends will protest at the similarity, saying they are nowhere near the RC doctrine, but the roots are clear--as when anyone departs from the real and true gospel there is always a false and aberrant one to follow. So what do our friends invent? A two-level Christianity of 'believer' status and 'disciple' status. A 'believer' gets all those 39 initial bennies but the 'disciple' has to jump through all those phony hoops that the hyperpious higher life crap doctrines require of them.

cordell
09-30-2006, 04:32 PM
Read all you like of Buckley's Public Lie and his Cross-bearing--they are easily categorized as behaviorially constraining or alternatively restraining doctrines couched in language rich with quoted scripture yet as our friend LMAO has pointed out, devoid of any contextual application.

Long ago the Roman Catholic Church established a doctrine of "works of supererogation" which were meritorious works in excess of what was required by Scripture. Our hyperpious and hyperdispensationalist friends will on the one hand--as Buckley does with CHS--say that it is all of grace, positional truth, etc. ad nauseam, yet on the other hand the rest of us in the rank and file must obey all these 'doctrines' revealed by 'God's appointed messengers' in excess of the requirements of Scripture. Same song, new singer.

Our dispie friends will protest at the similarity, saying they are nowhere near the RC doctrine, but the roots are clear--as when anyone departs from the real and true gospel there is always a false and aberrant one to follow. So what do our friends invent? A two-level Christianity of 'believer' status and 'disciple' status. A 'believer' gets all those 39 initial bennies but the 'disciple' has to jump through all those phony hoops that the hyperpious higher life crap doctrines require of them.

cordell
09-30-2006, 04:43 PM
Interestingly, Buckley claims to have 'more light' than the Reformation churches--the teachings of which he is admittedly and willfully ignorant. Here is some of that 'dimmer light' from one of the Reformation churches:

<font color="0000ff">Voluntary works—besides, over and above God’s commandments—which they call works of supererogation, cannot be taught without arrogancy and impiety. For by them men do declare that they do not only render unto God as much as they are bound to do, but that they do more for his sake than of bounden duty is required; whereas Christ saith plainly: When you have done all that is commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants.</font>

Now that is grace, full and unfiltered.

Read that for your edification.

The Apocalypse tells us that Christ condemned the doctrine of the Nicolaitans. While the exact contents of the doctrine are not all clear, the name speaks of power over the laity. Buckley's overly high and untouchable view of the clergy betrays that he holds to this doctrine as well.

cordell
09-30-2006, 05:12 PM
Here is a brief intro to an article by Kim Riddlebarger (for your edification, of course):

<font color="0000ff">In the evangelical world in which I was raised, it was the minister’s job to ensure that everyone in his congregation was “living in victory.” What this meant was that those who were truly committed to Jesus Christ and had made him Lord over every area of their lives would not be content to remain “carnal Christians.” If you were truly committed to Jesus, you would strive with everything in you to move into the “victorious life” described by the Apostle Paul in Romans 8. In that passage, the Apostle Paul supposedly speaks of victorious Christians as people who had made the determination to walk according to the Spirit and to no longer walk after the flesh (Rom. 8:1, kjv). Those hearty souls who managed to completely dedicate themselves to Christ could attain that lofty goal spoken of by Paul as “more than a conqueror” (cf. Rom. 8:37). To demonstrate that we were striving to attain victory, there were the familiar behavioral taboos. And you certainly did not want to be “left behind,” forced to endure the seven-year tribulation and risk coming face to face with the minions of the Antichrist.</font>

Read the entire article here. (http://www.modernreformation.org/kr06rom7.htm) For your edification, of course.

lana
09-30-2006, 08:12 PM
Cordell, You are speaking so well. They who haven't embraced humility because of pride, have substitued a "counterfeit", another gospel. Its like the sun is the source of all light, but they are the moon, who uses the lights reflection to avoid the real Cross.