Is this FACTNet GGWO Discussion Board quilty of posting Public Lies

[daved]

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Is this FACTNet: GGWO Discussion Board guilty of posting "Public Lies"?
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http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/3/24643.html?1159542948
At the above link, Jim Buckley lists two catagories of "Public Lies",
as shown below:

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E. Two categories of the public lie exist.

1. The public lie to discredit establishment doctrine in politics and temporal leadership. For example, socialism is the public lie, free enterprize is the establishment truth.

2. <u>The public lie to discredit the teaching of Bible doctrine and those who communicate it.</u>
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Does evidence exist that indicates that posters on this FACTNet: GGWO Discussion Board are quilty of posting Catagory 2 type "Public Lies"

Are any posters on this board, myself included,
<font color="119911">"trying to discredit the teaching of <u>Bible doctrine</u> and those who communicate it"?</font>

Of course Ex President Clinton might say:
"It all depends on what the meaning of "Bible Doctrine" is!

The above "can of worms" has been posted by Daved

[sidethorn]

Exposing a con artist, manipulator, and a cult leader that passes himself off as a Bible preacher does NOT qualify as a category 2 public lie in itself. In light of this the Factnet posters overall are NOT guilty of committing the category 2 public lie. The teaching of the Bible has not been discredited by Factnet posters, quite the opposite. The Bible teaching was discredited by the false teaching and hypocrisy of GGWO, and repaired in part by Factnet posters. GGWO insiders have openly run down other members of the body of Christ thus making the GGWO leadership guilty of the Category 2 public lie. Overall, GGWO is the public lie violator not the Factnet posters.

[jim_buckley]

sidethorn

"Exposing a con artist, manipulator, and a cult leader that passes himself off as a Bible preacher does NOT qualify as a category 2 public lie in itself."

Friend, this is where you make your mistake. God the Father doesn't see CHS or any believer this way no matter what their sin of choice is.

He only sees him in His Son "whom He is WELL PLEASED". CHS is seen by God as a son, justified, a gift from the Father to the Son, glorified, accepted in the beloved and complete in Christ to name a few. Any sin a believer may commit has been dealt with on the Cross. We are new creations in Christ and by Grace through the Finished Work of Christ each believer is seated in heavenly places in Christ with God. This is called Divine Viewpoint or how God thinks. If you think God still punishes people for their sins then Christ died in vain. He will discipline us to get us back into fellowship with Him, but He will never punish us for a sin that He punished Christ for. You can squawk all you want about some one's sins or even your own, but it remains finished: all sins are covered by the blood of Christ. You're beating a dead horse my friend and you will accomplish nothing except maybe an emotional breakdown. You're going against everything Christ has done.

Get to know Divine View point and you will have a different perspective, actually you will have the mind of Christ.

[hodeuon]

So what happened with Ananias and Sapphira?

[cordell]

<font color="0000ff">Friend, this is where you make your mistake. God the Father doesn't see CHS or any believer this way no matter what their sin of choice is.</font>

1. Jim Buckley is omniscient. He knows what God knows and how God sees. He ignores Christ's command to know professors by their fruit.

2. Jim Buckley is a heart-knower, which makes him equal with God. He KNOWS that CHS is a believer.

[sidethorn]

Jim, if you can't see that I've been talking about discipline of God instead of all out punishment for sins that was dealt with at the cross all these weeks, then you're even more blind to reality than I first thought. When someone gets saved, of course every sin they will ever commit is washed away by Jesus blood at the Cross. However, that does not excuse one from personal accountability and responsibility for one's actions. Neither does it excuse one from discipline from God or the long arm of the law. The law of sowing and reaping also someone everyone has to live by as well. This is precisely what Carl Stevens and his bunch have been trying to avoid using their false teaching and other games. That's what their doctrine of rebound and covering is for.

Jim, you've also completely misconstrued my posts and you still need to do a complete reality check. I never, ever said that any sins of a believer weren't forgiven at the cross or that God doesn't look at a believer as a sheep washed completely clean by Jesus blood. But God will dish out discipline when a Christian gets out of line, particularly when that Christian is a pastor with some false teaching in his sermons. Teachers (pastors) are held to a higher standard. When anyone whether Christian or not starts up a cult that misleads and exploits people, God does dish out severe discipline on them. That includes public exposure of them by people including Factnet posters. That is discipline, not a public lie. As far as CHS is concerned, I hope he's saved but I'm not assured he is. If not, I hope he gets saved before its too late. I don't know where he's' at on that one and neither do you Jim. In the end Jim, God still commanded all of us to expose those unfruitful deeds of darkness in Ephesians 5:11. Now what are you going to do Jim?? Start obeying God's command in Ephesians 5:11 or continue to advocate covering up for wolves in sheeps clothing that look like pastors??

[david_munson]

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Hodeuon,
you cut like a knife.
Or should I say a two edged sword?

Nice point.
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Sidethorn,
maybe Mr.Buckley will learn from what you are saying.(let's hope)


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[sidethorn]

Dave

I hope he does too!!! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

[lana]

I love these discussions today. To truly To repent is a willingness to lose everything. "I count all things but loss for the excellency of Jesus Christ"
This covers all sins great or small. With this "mind of Christ" in us we die daily. He Showed us the way in His suffering. He didn't hide behind a "covering"

[orangetwopay]

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rock ion lannnnnnnerr yer an nspriation to us alllllll beeatch

[cordell]

a little too much holy-sauce there eh OTP?

[orangetwopay]

if you only knew, brother...
it was sort of like this: http://liquidwaves.blogspot.com/2006/09/spittle-runs-down-beard-awesome.html

[cordell]

That photo of Schaller makes him look a bit like a Mormon prophet.

[kupski]

LOL