In what year did GGWO become a preciseness ministry [Archive]

bjerwin

10-04-2006, 11:30 AM

daved,
I don't know you I don't think, but darlin, you are way off in left field. Do you really believe the lovely Lord that sent His Son to die, who loves the world so very much, would really believe the way you do? You are so bound up in this, you are so blinded by this doctrine that you are missing God, the essence, the very loveliness of the Lord God and His plan.

Come back to earth daved. My Lord doesn't care what I call Him.... only that I CALL and believe in HIM.

I know you feel you have specific doctrine that you get out of the Word, but darlin... what about the other million verses that so illuminate each other, that tell the real story...

I'm sure you are a wonderful Christian. I just wish you were not so hung up on one little doctrine, that I do NOT believe you have God's mind on, and leaving behind your TRUE ministry for Him.

I don't mean to hurt you, actually I am sure you are not by this as you seem to be 1 dimentional in your belief in Jesus. Ask the Holy Spirit to reveal God to you.... the infinite diminensional God.

daved

10-04-2006, 12:38 PM

For what's its worth.

Pastor Carl Stevens
and
Pastor Tom Schaller
and
Pastor Paul Stevens before he left
and
Pastor Steve Stevens before he left
and
Pastor John Leonard
and
Pastor Marr
and
Doctor Lewis before he left
etc. etc. etc.
all believed that it was extremely important to call the "LORD" [with 4 capital letters] by the name "Yahweh"

And they all believed it was importent to call the "Lord" [with only a capital "L"] by the name "Jesus"

This is a GGWO issue not a Daved issue.

Pastor Carl Stevens advises every member of FACTNet that they will have no excuse at the Bema Seat for not calling God by the name "Yahweh"

TO BE REDUNDANT

This is a Pastor Carl Stevens/GGWO issue,
this is not a Daved issue.

I am a messenger only,
I am not the source of this teaching.

If you are unhappy with the "Yahweh" issue,
it indicates that you are unhappy with what Pastor Carl Stevens and the other GGWO Pastors are presently teaching.

Please consider calling the Grace Hour, and express your opinions on this issue.

Daved

whatsup

10-04-2006, 01:27 PM

Well there was a group hug for JB....how about a big group SCREAM for daved

daved

10-04-2006, 01:59 PM

whatsup,

Where do you stand?

Do you support Pastor Carl Stevens' teaching that if you [i.e. whatsup] do not believe that God's name is "Yahweh", when you find your self at the Judgement seat of Christ, you will have no excuse, because the GGWO "preciseness ministry" has told you dogmatically that God's name is "Yahweh"

If you should disagree with GGWO's "preciseness ministry" on this issue, would you consider giving "the Grace Hour" a call, and expressing your opinions.

daved

forte

10-04-2006, 02:35 PM

Hi Daved,

You know what? I was reading this thread, your posts, and remembering all of the posting you have done on this issue. And while on that train of thought, I remember having conversations with you about your specific topic.
But at this point I wonder if you would consider that it doesn't matter what ANY GG pastor thinks about the Lord's name.
If this is your way of discrediting them, I understand, but realize they discredit themselves everytime they open their mouths. Am I making sense here? Perhaps someone could put it in clearer view.
I don't care what anybody calls the Lord as long as they call on Him. I think that THAT is what is truly important.

God bless you brother,

Forte

hodeuon

10-04-2006, 02:35 PM

But, Daved, it's *not* a GGWO issue. On this point, GGWO agrees with mainstream evangelicalism.

I think you do raise an issue that goes right to the heart of the matter with GGWO, though, and that is how can a ministry that prides itself on preciseness change its position on an issue like this so casually?

Hodeuon

orangetwopay

10-04-2006, 02:49 PM

daved inanely wrote:

"If you are unhappy with the "Yahweh" issue,
it indicates that you are unhappy with what Pastor Carl Stevens and the other GGWO Pastors are presently teaching."

DUDE, WE'RE ON FACTNET!!!! HOW MANY PEOPLE HERE ***ARE*** HAPPY WITH CARL STEVENS OR GGWO IN GENERAL? NONE!!!! NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR MASTURBATORY HISTRIONICS ABOUT THIS ISSUE! STEVENS AND HIS ILK DESTROYED LIVES AND CAUSED A GREAT DEAL OF SPIRITUAL DAMAGE, ACTIVELY RE-INTERPRETING THE WORD OF GOD FOR THEIR OWN ENDS. THE YAHWEH THING ***IS ONLY ONE EXAMPLE*** AND WHILE I APPRECIATE THAT IT MATTERS TO YOU

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kupski

10-04-2006, 03:12 PM

OMG ! LOL
TOO FUNNY

daved

10-04-2006, 03:59 PM

Hi forte,

forte writes:

>>>
Hi Daved,

snip/snip

But at this point I wonder if you would consider that it doesn't matter what ANY GG pastor thinks about the Lord's name.

If this is your way of discrediting them, I understand...

snip/snip
>>>

Forte,

WHERE DID YOU GET THAT IDEA????

I AM NOT DISCREDITING ANY CHRISTIAN WHO CALLS THE Lord [with a single capital "L"] BY THE NAME JESUS!!!

The Douay-Rheims [Challoner] revision of 1749-1752 and the KJV revision of 1769 appear to have created a standard English translation of Christ's name [i.e. Jesus] that has been accepted by all English speaking Christians.

There is a consensus in English Christian Bibles
that the "Lord" [with a single capital "L"] refers to "Jesus".

There is also a consensus in English Christian Bibles that "LORD" [with 4 capitals] refers to God's Old Testament name,
but after that there is no consensus as to how "LORD" is pronounced.

THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES BEING CONFUSED HERE BY MORE THAN ONE READER OF FACTNET!

I have no complaint about English speaking Christians calling the "Lord" by the name "Jesus".

Forte, you are the second person today, who doesn't appear to be aware that the "Lord"'s name [with one capital letter] and the "LORD"'s name [with 4 capital letters] are not the same name in most English Bibles.

Daved

david_munson

10-04-2006, 04:09 PM

Isaiah 44:5 One shall say, I am the LORD'S; and another shall call himself by the name of Jacob; and another shall subscribe with his hand unto the LORD, and surname himself by the name of Israel.

The Lord's name is "Holy."
Psalms 99:3 Let them praise thy great and terrible name; for it is holy.

See?

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forte

10-04-2006, 04:13 PM

ahem...what I MEANT was...
never mind.
So now your beef is Lord vs. LORD?
What next Daved?
Is God going to care if we speak or pray in capitals?

I'm assuming that your true name isn't Daved and yet you answer our posts to you. Why do you recognize that we are speaking to you if this is not how you say or spell your true name.

I'm just trying to make a point. I'm not attacking you, personally.

daved

10-04-2006, 04:54 PM

Hi Hodeuon,

You wrote,

>>>
But, Daved, it's *not* a GGWO issue.
On this point, GGWO agrees with mainstream evangelicalism.
>>>

Hodeuon,

Are you saying that the average mainstream evangelical Christian believes that God's Old Testament name is "Yahweh"?

Are you saying that the majority of mainstream, evangelical Protestant Christians who use Christian Bibles that translate God's Old Testament name as "LORD", actually believe and teach from the pulpit that God's name is "Yahweh".

Where is the evidence?

Are Bible Believing Baptists [who use the KJV],
teaching in the pulpit that God's name is "Yahweh"??????

hodeuon,

What percentage of Protestant Christians do you believe there are,
that actually believe that God's name is "Yahweh"?

Are you telling me that the majority of Protestant Christians agree with GGWO, that God's name is "Yahweh"???

I lurk and post on two different discussion boards in which Hebrew scholars post their views, and I doubt if 20% of the Hebrew scholars who post on these boards believe that God's name is "Yahweh", and at least some of these scholars are deeply involved in searching for the original pronunciation of God,s name.

Many of these scholars out and out reject what might be considered the standard proofs for the name "Yahweh" that are found in modern encyclopedias

hodeoun,

I definitely would be pleased if you could provide me with legitimate proof, that a large percentage of so-called "mainstream Protestant Christianity" believes, as does GGWO, that God's name is "Yahweh".

However if this be true, why aren't Protestant Christian Bibles being published in which "Yahweh" is found in the Old Testament.

Certainly about one Billion Roman Catholic Christians have access to the New Jerusalem Bible, which uses "Yahweh" 100 % of the time, but
if Martin Luther was alive today, wouldn't he be protesting The New Jerusalem Bible because the name "Yahweh" is not found in the Hebrew Scriptures?

Daved

daved

10-04-2006, 05:08 PM

forte said:

>>>
ahem...what I MEANT was...
never mind.
So now your beef is Lord vs. LORD?
What next Daved?
Is God going to care if we speak or pray in capitals?
>>>

forte,

I truely can't believe your answer.

When you see "LORD" in the Old Testament of the particular English Christian Bible you use, do you read "LORD" as Jesus?????

You don't differentiate between the Old Testament translation "LORD" [e.g. YHWH] and the New Testament title "Lord" which Jesus received from God? [Acts 2:36]

Acts 2:36 KJV
Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Daved

forte

10-04-2006, 05:25 PM

bt wht ds gg hve 2 d wth any f ths? Lrd r LRD r YHWH?
hnstly dv. dnt u hve nythng bttr 2 d tdy?

jst kddng.

daved

10-04-2006, 06:27 PM

Orangetwopaqy wrote:

>>>
daved inanely wrote:

"If you are unhappy with the "Yahweh" issue,
it indicates that you are unhappy with what Pastor Carl Stevens and the other GGWO Pastors are presently teaching."

DUDE, WE'RE ON FACTNET!!!! HOW MANY PEOPLE HERE ***ARE*** HAPPY WITH CARL STEVENS OR GGWO IN GENERAL? NONE!!!!
>>>

I was merely trying to get some brave member of this FACTNet:GGWO Discussion Board to notice that if they dislike my so-called obsessive posts on "Yahweh", is it quite likely that they also dislike Pastor Carl Stevens obsessive preaching on the name "Yahweh".

However no member of this FACTNet:GGWO discussion board, that I know of, has ever criticized Pastor Carl Stevens for what appears to be his obsessive teaching on the name "Yahweh"

With the exception of me, can anyone name one person who posts on FACTNet:GGWO who has ever acknowledged that they are unhappy with what Pastor Carl Stevens and the other GGWO Pastors are presently teaching about "Yahweh"

Is it possible that the majority of the members of this discussion board actually agree with Pastor Carl Stevens' dogmatic teaching about God's name being "Yahweh", but don't want to admit it openly?

Maybe the GGWO "Yahweh" issue is the only GGWO issue on this FACTNet:GGWO discussion board that no one, except me, has any opinions [pro or con] about?

Daved

shat_happens

10-04-2006, 07:21 PM

Well folks, I think we are all beating a dead horse here, first is the issue itself being posted for the 10,000th time, and second everyone •••••••• about it.

Perhaps Daved and Neil could get together and investigate it silly. You know, maybe tip back a few 40’s, reminisce about being abused, play old 80’s love songs and have one hell of a night!

hadasa

10-04-2006, 07:36 PM

Daved to answer your questions from your last post:

I think people were a little preoccupied with all the marking and trivial things like the effectual 'infallibility' posture of GGWO, fundamental error on pastoral authority and coverings and how if we leave the ministry a tractor will run over us - basically being theologically hyjacked.

Daved, either you like to be annoying or you have savant tendecies (which I am not sure of the origin) or you have a very unbalanced view of what matters or at least the appropriate proportion of attention to give to things.

I don't dislike you, because I don't know enough about you; but you need some help if you really think your Yahweh thing matters as much as the dedication you have shown to it - this has been your main issues for years has it not, the GGWO wikipedia thing, etc.

The first three posts on that Cordell/Yahweh thread should have helped you to see the ridiculous nature of your crusade.

seek help, it's a problem, You have a problem Daved. even if you are trying to be annoying; you've stayed on the same track for years.

Go ahead try to talk about something different for say 3 months; can you do it; I have my doubts

SEEK HELP

(Message edited by hadasa on October 04, 2006)

forte

10-04-2006, 07:55 PM

sorry folks,

Daved I can only recall Carl obsessively preaching that God's name wasn't jehovah, that jehovah meant "cellah dwellah". That's all I can remember about the subject. Even at that I don't think he started on that rant until the late 80's. And in retrospect I'm not so sure he preached obsessively about anything except all the wrong doctrines to cover his *ss so he could do anything he wanted and live any way he wanted without anyone asking about it.

I guess you could say that as much as I appreciate (?) all the work you've put into this, I and probably most of the factnetters just don't give it much thought.

hodeuon

10-04-2006, 08:03 PM

“Are you saying that the average mainstream evangelical Christian believes that God's Old Testament name is "Yahweh"?”

Yes, among those that have an opinion on the matter.

“Are you saying that the majority of mainstream, evangelical Protestant Christians who use Christian Bibles that translate God's Old Testament name as "LORD", actually believe and teach from the pulpit that God's name is "Yahweh".”

Yes.

“Are Bible Believing Baptists [who use the KJV], teaching in the pulpit that God's name is "Yahweh"??????”

Yes. And the Bible believing Baptists who don’t use the KJV agree with them. I think you may run into a minority who basically believe that it is the KJV rather than the original Greek that is inspired, and those will presumably teach that God’s name is “Jehovah” simply because it’s in older KJVs.

“What percentage of Protestant Christians do you believe there are,
that actually believe that God's name is "Yahweh"?”

In seminary circles I believe it is near 100%. I don’t think the average Christian has really looked into whether there is a difference between saying “Yahweh” or “Jehovah”.

“Are you telling me that the majority of Protestant Christians agree with GGWO, that God's name is "Yahweh"???”

Yes.

“I lurk and post on two different discussion boards in which Hebrew scholars post their views, and I doubt if 20% of the Hebrew scholars who post on these boards believe that God's name is "Yahweh", and at least some of these scholars are deeply involved in searching for the original pronunciation of God,s name.”

I think at this point it would be helpful to name these Hebrew scholars and see what their credentials are.

“I definitely would be pleased if you could provide me with legitimate proof, that a large percentage of so-called "mainstream Protestant Christianity" believes, as does GGWO, that God's name is "Yahweh".”

I’m really tempted to suggest that you pick ten Protestant churches out of the phone book and conduct an informal poll.

“However if this be true, why aren't Protestant Christian Bibles being published in which "Yahweh" is found in the Old Testament.”

Because the standard practice has become to represent God’s name with LORD.

“Certainly about one Billion Roman Catholic Christians have access to the New Jerusalem Bible, which uses "Yahweh" 100 % of the time, but if Martin Luther was alive today, wouldn't he be protesting The New Jerusalem Bible because the name "Yahweh" is not found in the Hebrew Scriptures?”

No. I believe that the only protest that Martin Luther would have against the New Jerusalem Bible would be that it reflects the Roman Catholic Church’s decision to treat the Apocrypha as having the same level of canonicity as the Old and New Testaments.

Hodeuon

hodeuon

10-04-2006, 08:17 PM

"Daved I can only recall Carl obsessively preaching that God's name wasn't jehovah, that jehovah meant "cellah dwellah"."

I think Carl used the phrase "cellar dweller" to describe what "ghost" meant when he was indicating a reference for "Holy Spirit" over "Holy Ghost".

Carl stated that the name "Jehovah" was meaningless because it was pieced together from two different words. Regardless of whether you think "Yahweh" or "Jehovah" is a better representation of God's name, Carl is wrong. The meaning of words comes from their context not from their etymology. D. A. Carson addresses the error from etymology as the very first issue in his book "Exegetical Fallacies".

What does "Jehovah" mean? From my perspective you are taking the consonant from "I Am" and the vowels from "Lord". And that's how you are using it, too. It could be argued that you are simply abbreviating "Lord LORD" (Adonai Yahweh) - which seems awkward in English but occurs over 100 times in the Old Testament, being especially common in Ezekiel.

And I think that Carl's imprecision on the Name of God (and his accompanying flip-flop) is indicative of his approach to Biblical scholarship in general. Carl cites names of scholars who support the spelling/pronunciation "Yahweh" but he hasn't done the work himself. Which by itself is fine; we have experts because no one can do everything himself. But Carl passed himself off as having truth that you wouldn't hear elsewhere when he was not all that well-informed about some truths that we do have.

Hodeuon

hadasa

10-04-2006, 08:18 PM

there

Yahweh good
Jehovah bad

Darned if CHS wasnt wrong about some things, so that's what this forum was all about, no CHS wasn't precise.......i'll be...

all better now daved

hadasa

10-04-2006, 08:20 PM

there

Yahweh good
Jehovah bad

Darned if CHS wasnt wrong about some things, so that's what this forum was all about, no CHS wasn't precise.......i'll be...

all better now daved

forte

10-04-2006, 08:29 PM

YES! That's right Hodeuon. I was totally off course there. Thank you for clearing that up.

hadasa

10-04-2006, 08:55 PM

can give a guy one more bottle or you can help him face the reality of his problem

uh, i don't know if some of you realize this or not; but someone who sticks on the same exact point for years;

SOMETHINGS WRONG!!!!!!

So you theological/exegetical/historical genuis's; I slightly suspect that even if you answer all of these Yahweh quibbles; the dudes still gonna walk away with his problem, unless, he see's his problem and gets help.

my attempt at common sense and reason; here I stand, I can do no other

hadasa

10-04-2006, 08:57 PM

can give a guy one more bottle or you can help him face the reality of his problem

uh, i don't know if some of you realize this or not; but someone who sticks on the same exact point for years;

SOMETHINGS WRONG!!!!!!

So you theological/exegetical/historical genuis's; I slightly suspect that even if you answer all of these Yahweh quibbles; the dudes still gonna walk away with his problem, unless, he see's his problem and gets help.

my attempt at common sense and reason; here I stand, I can do no other

hadasa

10-04-2006, 09:30 PM

And I'm not saying something like a phychiatrist(sp?), maybe I'm saying just admit that your obsessed, realize it's a waste of time and energy and robbing you of a more fruitful life and seek the counsel/wisdom of someone that can help; even if it's prayer, I mean daved, can you admit that there is something wrong with your obsession or can't you; that's the first step.

(Message edited by hadasa on October 04, 2006)

david_munson

10-04-2006, 09:31 PM

Hodeuon,
I remember Carl's "celler dweller" sermon's.
You are right in stating that he said that and your assesment of his "theology" is quite accurate.

Daved,
You opned with,
"The title of this thread is:
In what year did GGWO become a "preciseness ministry"?"

We'll let you know when it happens.

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david_munson

10-04-2006, 09:39 PM

I'd like to buy a vowel.

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Stinkin bracket--->}

ariel

10-04-2006, 10:34 PM

DAVED
said With the exception of me, can anyone name one person who posts on FACTNet:GGWO who has ever acknowledged that they are unhappy with what Pastor Carl Stevens and the other GGWO Pastors are presently teaching about "Yahweh

YOU ARE NOT ALONE DAVED

I too have wondered hour upon hour about the name of Rahway and how it came to be. Heres the link I found helpful http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahway_State_Prison

After all DAVED, like you, I too believe Carl Stevens belongs in RAHWAY.

More importantly and
a little more closer to home though DAVED, please clear something up for me.....
If your name is pronounced DAVID in the king james version , why do you spell it DAVED?

Is Carl Stevens alone privy to the correct pronounciation of your name ?

Last but waaaaay not least ....
Does the name DAVED rhyme with SAVED?

Or is it pronounced DAVE- ED ???
(kind of of like Special Ed ?? )

Please clear this up for me.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/kiss.gif

Ariel

forte

10-04-2006, 10:48 PM

I think in the original language it's actually Dave-dee.

cordell

10-05-2006, 01:47 AM

and I was happy just to talk about Howard Johnson's Frozen Macaroni and Cheese...and the Jets

Daved, how is Jesus excluded from or included in the name of YHWH?

You seem to be making a distinction.

lmao

10-05-2006, 01:47 AM

He has signed his posts before. It's Dave D.

If I can take this discussion outside the Bible, it is possible that since God is who he is that the only reason he has given Himself a name at all is for our benefit and He appreciates it most when we recognize Him for who He is rather than what His name is.

It's been well established that chs is not the student of the Bible he claims to be. He has spoken authoritatively on many subjects that he knows little about.

cordell

10-05-2006, 03:01 AM

As I remember correctly, Daved made it clear that his name is Dave Donnelly.

He's actually right that CHS has taken a turn on the issue of the divine name.

But then we need to remember that CHS has a 'thang' with nomenclature and terminology.

Personally, I have no problem with the archaic term "Holy Ghost" or with "Holy Spirit". If you are from Holland your term for that person of the Trinity is Heilige Geest--that term is akin to Holy Ghost.

Remember the problems CHS had with the term "Reverend"? He wouldn't tolerate that term. But then on the other hand, he wallowed in titular grandeur over the term "Pastor" (having dabbled unsuccessfully with "Apostle" and "Prophet"). In Scripture "Pastor" is not a title at all--it describes what a person does in caring for and feeding the flock of God.

The divine name is important, not so much as how it is pronounced but because of Who it reveals. The divine name reveals not just a single person of the Trinity but each of them equally. See Is.11:2 for example for the Holy Spirit and Jeremiah 23:6 can only refer to the Lord Jesus.

whatsup

10-05-2006, 03:36 AM

Daved, I do not support Carl Stevens teaching on anything...I have questioned everything I have ever learned in that place. As for standing at the judgement seat of Christ, the only thing that will matter is whether you have the blood of Christ covering you, not whether you have His name straight. And no, I will not be calling Grace Hour either, because I do not care about their opinions and they do not care about mine, and I wouldn't waste my time.
As for you, you have obsessive compulsive disorder which is a genuine mental illness, and you should seek treatment and get some medication. I say that with all seriousness.
That, daved, is where I stand

david_munson

10-05-2006, 04:50 AM

Aren't there actually many names used to describe God in scripture?

Elohim,
Adonia,
Father,
Son,
Holy Spirit,
Jesus,
Holy One,
Living God,
the Most High,
the Lord our God,
Ancient of days,
Saviour,
Lion of Judah,,,,etc,,,.

I don't think we can pronounce His actual name with the human tongue because it's so Holy.
I think (IMHO) that He gives us descriptions through names that reveal His character and attributes.

More than that though,I believe that He esteems His word above even His name.
Why?
Because His Word is what we have that allows us to see Him with the faith that He gives out to each of us and helps us.
Building upon the relationship we have with Him.

And,,,,,
His Word became flesh.

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cordell

10-05-2006, 05:19 AM

Actually, I think it might be a good bit of fun to do a tag team phone up to ol' Tahmmy on the Grace Hour and ask all kinds of goofy questions.

"Pahstah Schallah, if you are not in Chicago and you are not in New York and you are not in Houston you must be somewhere else right?"

"uhhh...uhhh...by God's grace I yam where I yam...and we're going forward...uhhhh"

"Well, Pahstah Schallah, if you are somewhere else how can you be 'there'? And if you are not 'there' how can you be in the perfect geographical will of God?"

cordell

10-05-2006, 05:22 AM

When I was in Holland in 1987, Schaller gave the guys a talk on how and when to talk dirty to your woman...

Wonder where he learned that?

orangetwopay

10-05-2006, 05:30 AM

WHOA WHOA WHOA!!

please transcribe or paraphrase my good man! this is fodder for the LW crew!

guess_who_is_coming_to_dinner

10-05-2006, 05:48 AM

Why OTP, now we know why Schaller grunts so much in his speech. This must be his 'categorically precise, biblically relevant,doctrine of foreplay'?

Perhaps, our dear friend Jimmy Buck could post this grand doctrine for us.

He could exposit the 'highest form of copulation preparation'...words from Pope Tommy's mouth.

I can hear his introduction now,. Uuuh tonight I am going to teach you about Dirty Words...words from my little bemas, the doctrine of copulation preparation. This is fresh and practical. SNIP SNIP....Dirty words, are words from my little bemas, they are dirty words, words to inspire, words to transform, they are words from my little bemas...
Dirty words: uuuh you know baby, baby, uuuh, you know you are a dirty little %$#@@ Dirty words,uhhh, aaahh, these are words from my little bemas...
Dirty words: uuuh, uuuh darlin' you are such a dirty little $%#@#%, these are dirty words, words from my little bemas
Dirty words: I will always %^&$#@ you, these are dirty words, words from my little bemas.
Dirty words: babe you know you like it when I uhh, errrr @#$$ you, these are dirty words, words from my little bemas...

Habemas Tommmy

(Message edited by guess who is coming to dinner on October 05, 2006)

gerald

10-05-2006, 01:01 PM

The problem with "precise doctrine"

GGWO stumbles over the nitty-gritty. They insist on precise doctrine in secondary areas that are still uncertain (but will be seen clearly in the future, see 1.Cor 13:12), yet on the other hand they "omit the weightier matters" (Mt 23:23), such as friendship, loyalty, ...

And sometimes they even change their secondary doctrines.

Mt 23:24: "Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.."

cordell

10-05-2006, 01:41 PM

The context of the 'rap' was:

"What do you do if your wife seems to be holding out, not desiring to do the horizontal conga?" (my paraphrase for the more gentle reader)

"Start talkin' dirty to her. C'mon, baby, let's @$&K. You're makin' me hot!"

--or something to that effect. If I am not mistaken (and this was nearly twenty years ago) there was also the mention of "watching a sexy movie together."

He must have just discovered the Song of Solomon at the time--or something. He must have got a real "rhemer".

(Message edited by cordell on October 05, 2006)

cordell

10-05-2006, 01:53 PM

"C'mon baby, I want you to make noises (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9031448992718452269&q=%22monica+se les%22&hl=en) like Monica Seles when she's winning on the tennis court." (listen to the link above without watching the video and you'll get the point)

(Message edited by cordell on October 05, 2006)

david_munson

10-05-2006, 04:53 PM

Did he mention anything about wearing a maids uniform?

For him that is.

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cordell

10-05-2006, 05:22 PM

I know Schaller is weird, but no, he did not ask me or any of the other guys to play dress up.

david_munson

10-05-2006, 10:10 PM

What,
no covering?http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif

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cordell

10-06-2006, 05:19 PM

C'mon LW guys! I wanna see some creativity with Tommy going uhhh uuhhhh and Monica Seles's noises!

david_munson

10-06-2006, 06:33 PM

Talk about painting a picture.

You're givin me da willies.

(shudder)

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hodeuon

10-06-2006, 09:00 PM

In what year did GGWO become a "preciseness ministry"?

My guess is that it goes back to the beginning. Anyone know for sure?

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cordell

10-07-2006, 01:13 AM

the whole 'preciseness' thing began when CHS's little booklet "The Doctrine of Doctrine" came out in the late 70s or early 80s.

what the heck does that have to do with making monica seles noises and Tahmmy Boy telling us to talk dirty to our women?

what's wrong with you Hody, can't you stay on subject???

david_munson

10-07-2006, 01:34 AM

I was just reading a book about incest,murder,adultery,violence,hatred,war,and destruction.

It's called "the Bible."

Of course it had other topics covering most everything including salvation but I just thought I'd mention that.
http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/proud.gif

Ayuh.

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guess_who_is_coming_to_dinner

10-07-2006, 01:34 AM

Hode's treehouse is a safe place

cordell

10-07-2006, 04:39 AM

and the LW crew have turned into a buncha slackers pretending to have real jobs...

shat_happens

10-07-2006, 04:51 AM

We are reliving our abuse over and over!

http://liquidwaves.blogspot.com/2006/10/this-just-brings-back-memories.html#comments