Delaware going to get ugly

[dancer]

I want to apologize before something bad happens.

In the next few days I am going to have to throw people into a private fight because of threats against me.

I am going to use first and last names, copies of emails, and simlar. greaterdisgrace your going to get furious at me, and so are some other people but a person who likes to threaten or as she says promise people to hurt or pay them back some justice is already happening.

Getting ready for a bad fight. I am glad I didn't start it. I wish I had trusted my thoughts on how a person could be so vengefull.

Neil

[orangetwopay]

i know i speak for the whole factnet posting community when i say loudly and proudly: WE AWAIT THE LATEST FLAME-WAR!

http://liquidwaves.blogspot.com/2006/10/we-await-latest-event_11.html

[dancer]

OK I saw this coming months ago when somebody I trusted lost it over me not taking kindly to being spoken to like a child.

I remembered how a person who had been caught up in this scandel warned me how this person could be into threats when things did not go there way. As the person says "promises".

Now much of what good has happened in Delaware will be thrown away because of one persons insistance to have a fight. Not interested in anything short of a fight.

Well this time I figure if they won't take anything short of a fight than I might as well jump in both feet. I kind of like avoiding fights but frankly I see how in a matter of hours this person will enjoy NOT being peaceful and not stop themself from including more and more people, and just add to the fight.

Might as well add every sould we can to the fight, and make them endure the nasty affects of all out war.

By the way for the record I said to them about one million times don't fight this way, you just make it worse for others, and thats not fair. Everything to involving people's families to their business, their proffessional lives so you can exhort some justice or exposure.

I been called everything in the book and frankly calling me more things is almost anti climatic at this point. I just hate that families with kids get added to the list because a few people nver ever know how to let go of a fight.

By the way noticed I have yet to say a real human beings name yet? It will become a real contest of who did what to whom because one person wants to prove something. How sad. Like all these real people don't need more of this crap.

[whatsup]

time to adjust the meds again

[orangetwopay]

whatsup... do you mean these?

http://liquidwaves.blogspot.com/2006/10/official-ggwo-rx.html

[shat_happens]

This is like PPV, i have my chips and dip and beer already for the Fight of the Ages...

"LETS GIT IT OOWWWN!"

http://liquidwaves.blogspot.com/2006/10/weighing-in-at-buck-0h-five.html#comments

[cordell]

<font size="+2"><font color="ff0000">AEROSOL!</font></font>

[dancer]

WOW,
With or Without you Neil, the truth WILL SURFACE..PROBLEM IS MOST OF IT INVOLVES y-o-u.

start talkin blabber-mouth...
it works every time!!

[greaterdisgrace]

Do what you have to do Neil...This is Gods battle, not ours. Don't allow one person to define who you are. Remember...It doesnt matter what names someone calls you, It matters what you answer to.

I feel like a freakin mushroom because I am totally in the dark and someone is crapping on me. I wouldnt put too much stock in what you were told. The truth has already surfaced. God is bigger than GGWO and thier time has come. The ranting and threats are from satan, so tell him to get behind you and kiss your arse.

Do not judge Delaware by 1 person. There are plenty of us who have worked out butts off long before anyone else came on the scene. So if you feel you have to "out" me on some sort of way or post something about me, go for it.

[dancer]

Hint greaterdisgrace whose house did I stay at and same person just posted thedancer post from her house using comcast in delaware?

Not going to crap on you greaterdisgrace. But somebody else sure will leave you in the fight. LEAVE you in is what she has always done. Never knows how to stop. Threats, threats, etc. Everybody is a sexual predator, theif, and GGWO copy cat according to her. As usual wait a while the person will do something public. I am not in Delaware that is for sure, and I sure didn't post the above post, and I sure can follow the ip to emails, posts and even their home phone service.

If I go to your house and leave my keys, and you walk into my house using my keys and steal something from me, you can't come back and say well you left the keys at my house.

Our common friend is posting as my name, and when she gets •••••• she will do ANYTHING. And do anything.

If you comprimise a password using a cache on your home computer its still using somebody else's password and user name.

I am sure many within the GGWO fight will enjoy us fighting amoung ourselves. Maybe I am more stealth than most thought. Funny this is where GGWO folks predicted we would go. We will turn on ourselves fast as heck.

Days away from the Delaware story and we get to enjoy this show. What a trip. One person decided to fight with me. After seeing this fight and its contents it makes me question the desires of certain people. Never was about reconcilation, never about faith, never about justice, never about people and Christ. Its about getting even, vengence and open ended threats (oh excuse me promises as others were promised if they didn't stand behind certain people with information.

My eyes are tired of this trip. Never any consideration for the lives of other people, never consider somebodies family, kids and life. Just pile on some pain.

Same ole, same old fight.

[sofree]

actually that post above did come from Lincoln University where P.M. lives. If she is posting from Neil's account, what else will she do/has she done to get her way? Isn't that the same thing Wisot would do? I have said it before - stay FAR away from her.

[sofree]

and another thing - Neil - why are you playing both sides? It is one thing being ticked off at PM, but to be on the phone with Wisot for hours about her is a little shady if you ask me. Why would you even be discussing personal things about ex-members to Wisot? He is playing you. You are playing us.

[dancer]

How can I play anything. What gain do I get in any of this? It bugs the heck out of me that anybody is really misinformed enough to think I get something out of this. I just loose.

Dave Munson and Tom Mitchell gave some advice about going on with my life months ago. My agenda now is to see this through where God wanted me to.

I am almost there. I don't really care if somebody thinks this is a ego trip or like.

I don't have three lawyers because of things I have done (I filed civil complaints in two states, I have three to get things taken away from me when I allowed them to slip away because of my stupidity in believing a few people who never wanted reconciliation or even hope for my family.

It was an efort to protect a sick man who even now the same men have given up on.

Play somebody? for what? money? protection? peace? I learned the hard way the more I ignore this existance the better off my life is.

There is something going on right now. I figure God has me in this for about 2 more weeks.

God has to be the mark here, not anybody or anything.

[dancer]

How can I play anything. What gain do I get in any of this? It bugs the heck out of me that anybody is really misinformed enough to think I get something out of this. I just loose.

Dave Munson and Tom Mitchell gave some advice about going on with my life months ago. My agenda now is to see this through where God wanted me to.

I am almost there. I don't really care if somebody thinks this is a ego trip or like.

I don't have three lawyers because of things I have done (I filed civil complaints in two states, I have three to get things taken away from me when I allowed them to slip away because of my stupidity in believing a few people who never wanted reconciliation or even hope for my family.

It was an efort to protect a sick man who even now the same men have given up on.

Play somebody? for what? money? protection? peace? I learned the hard way the more I ignore this existance the better off my life is.

There is something going on right now. I figure God has me in this for about 2 more weeks.

God has to be the mark here, not anybody or anything.

[sofree]

The subtle threats via email. That is the playing I am talking about.

[orangetwopay]

i don't know about threats, subtle or otherwise, but the idea just makes me think of "a mighty hunter before the Lord."

http://liquidwaves.blogspot.com/2006/10/mighty-hunter-before-lord.html

[dancer]

To be honest if I am guilty of playing into the emotions of somebody else, guilty I am. For me to turn around and do something even somewhat similar was wrong. Sorry if that is what it amounted too.

Hard for me to act on my anger for more than 24 hours. I have found it makes more sense to also learn to admit I am wrong even when I sure don't hold ALL of the blame. Have a funny feeling somebody or a few people feel like they never ever did anything wrong. To live in this world and think you did nothing wrong ever is just dumb. I screw up everyday and as far as me scrolling to fast. hmmm.

Have a great weekend guys. I managed to get through the friday 13th a week before my 41st.

"my opinion means nothing"

walls come...

[shat_happens]

Neil, it's alright, every one makes mistakes.

Here is a book that might help you out!

http://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/096267625X/ref=s9_asin_title_3/104-8820820-4529505

[whatsup]

Neil, you are really out there, and you take a lot of ridicule on here...from myself included (sometimes just cant resist)....BUT I would like to say that I do think you have a heart after God and that really is what counts in the end

[cordell]

Buying the "My Husband Betty..." book with the above mentioned title appears to be a great deal.

[gone_to_pa]

Neil,

Go for what you know. Need any help you know where to find me.

Your brother GTP/TOM

[vincer]

a man gets up in from of his church and tells the church they need a 35,000 flashing sign to tell the time and the weather, plus to broadcast the events at the church and specials at the store.
35,000 people. is that nuts?

[vincer]

a man gets up in from of his church and tells the church they need a 35,000 dollar flashing sign to tell the time and the weather, plus to broadcast the events at the church and specials at the store.
35,000 bucks people. is that nuts?

[vincer]

a man gets up in from of his church and tells the church they need a 35,000 dollar flashing sign to tell the time and the weather, plus to broadcast the events at the church and specials at the store.
35,000 bucks people. is that nuts?

[vincer]

a man gets up in from of his church and tells the church they need a 35,000 dollar flashing sign to tell the time and the weather, plus to broadcast the events at the church and specials at the store.
35,000 bucks people. is that nuts?

[lmao]

vincer,
your grammer and spelling remind me of dancer. is that nuts?

[cordell]

and he seems not to be able to post something only one time...

[shat_happens]

Here, i found something that might help you out in life Neil. This should come in handy on those cold nights alone!

http://www.amazon.com/Inflatable-Party-Sheep-Loftus-International/dp/B00064NZ0M/sr=8-4/qid=1161595685/ref=pd_bbs_4/102-7610634-0057710?ie=UTF8&amp;s=miscellaneous

[sidethorn]

Vincer,

Thats really nuts. That money could be better spent on helping hurting people trying to make ends meet. This is yet another example of how a lot of American Christianity has become big business where the focus is too much on money instead of God and His people. I wouldn't give a cent to any special flashing sign fund in a church like that.

[cordell]

Living where I do, I can tell you that John Hagee's Cornerstone Church sign will do all sorts of tricks, like announcing the arrival of guest speaker Benny Hinn or promoting ol' John's latest offering--"Jerusalem Countdown" (get yours today!)

[sidethorn]

The advertising gimmicks go on and on!!!

[sofree]

Vincer - the sign is actually an America's Most Wanted sign. They can randomly display all the crooks in the church. Wisot's is the biggest mugshot.

Vincer isn't Dancer/Neil

[kupski]

In defense of Neil. Everyone in here uses the addage " Let God deal with this" and that is so passe, almost to the essence somewhat of the g.g.w.o. " lets just ignore this and it will go away " attitude.

The Prophets in the old testament were not really welcomed by the Jews because they always brought a rebuke, but still those prophets honnored God and did what they had to do. So my question is which one of us really knows whether Neil is wrong or not by going forward and reporting? I mean do you know for sure that God isnt using the guy to unravel the dysfunction that is going on ?

I am not sure myself but I dont like banging the guy about it. If were really such great graced out people, let him do what he needs to do ?

[dancer]

Story breaking. It does appear on a few fronts. I do not know what to make of the Delaware situation. The in fighting saddens me and has really made it impossible for me to be very involved, I think the bs that has happened between parties, false allegations, and like has created an environment of nothing getting done in DE. I been beaten on this idea that I need to seperate issues here. Sorry I have but so much time. I am in the middle of some major legal battles, and this time I am the one who made the stride to get them moving. I have 3 good lawyers involved in the cases I am involved in, and MSNBC and three media groups are involved on a story that I am working on that really has nothing to do with GGWO other than my own personal life and some of the events of the last 2 years with my ex wife and the Schaller family, and GGWO.

By the way I did not see most of the post since October 14th.

I will copy the media story here when it happens. Like always I will take grief on no story happening. Wait it will and this one shall be pretty good. But nothing to be the end all of GGWO. That is unrealistic.

[shat_happens]

"In defense of Neil. Everyone in here uses the addage " Let God deal with this" and that is so passe, almost to the essence somewhat of the g.g.w.o. " lets just ignore this and it will go away " attitude."

That only works if God is truly using us, when we shoehorn ourselves into God’s plan, and it’s not our place, we are just as guilty as the party in question doing the wrong. If you feel lead, go for it, but the point of that term is that we must acknowledge that God is still in control, even when it seems like He’s not.

[greaterdisgrace]

Hey little man, you don't need a $35,000 sign.
The signs are all around you...

People flee your church in droves..thats a sign

Your school enrollment cuts in half overnight..that is a sign

The school closes for good..yep smart one, another sign

The Attorney General, the State police, The IRS all know you by name..That my friend in a sign.

The media is breathing down your neck...that is a sign.

People march in protest on your property and make you look like a twit....That damn sure is a sign.

Your wife now has to shop in K-mart instead of Lord and Taylor.. woooah thats a sign,

Mr Twisted, please stop stealing the people's money, open your eyes and see the signs

[greaterdisgrace]

Hey little man, you don't need a $35,000 sign.
The signs are all around you...

People flee your church in droves..thats a sign

Your school enrollment cuts in half overnight..that is a sign

The school closes for good..yep smart one, another sign

The Attorney General, the State police, The IRS all know you by name..That my friend in a sign.

The media is breathing down your neck...that is a sign.

People march in protest on your property and make you look like a twit....That damn sure is a sign.

Your wife now has to shop in K-mart instead of Lord and Taylor.. woooah thats a sign,

Mr Twisted, please stop stealing the people's money, open your eyes and see the signs

[dancer]

To Clarify:A few people know directly what is going with me and legal stuff but some people took things I said off of here as though I am somehow swinging money around for lawyers.

I have about $1000 into lawyers at this point and I that amount cover the next 2 months or so of hearings that involve my family, the adoption I am involved with, and two civil actions. It is 3 firms not lawyers. 2 of the firms are doing the cases pro-bono, yes they do involve matters with GGWO but not the church directly in Baltimore. One of these firms’ practices in a few states, and another practices in Maryland, DE, PA, DC, and Virginia.

People who are involved directly in these matters know some of the details but basically I am ridding myself of letting every person know the details of my life, and to be frank there is a lot of disinformation going between parties. Note I am the one saying it. So check my words and my efforts, and then do the same to those who become involved. The intentions will be clear from my side. Others it will be an attitude of perfection and having never done wrong. Boy I make mistakes and frankly I think you have to be intelligent enough to admit it now and then. A little humility goes a long way. I have plans on coming to Baltimore for a court hearing involving a rather interesting family matter that has to do with GGWO history and my history, but not my ex-wife or similar. I am sure the events will make some shock waves in the whole GGWO world. There firm I asked to take on my case in Maryland deals with protecting mothers ironically, and is a non profit. They indirectly won a case for Keri and I back in 2001.

The civil case with me involves Elders that were at Baltimore in 2003-2004. This too is being done as a pro-bono case.The only cases where I have put up money are local stuff involving things to do with my finances and child support. Basically I am broke from 2 years of debt. I couldn’t pay for a lawyer if I wanted to. I am thankful that some friends and other people related to the issues related to the circumstances of my concerns with my family vs. GGWO have helped me find a few good guys who want to help. If anything I want to say that I am proud of Keri to some degree but I wish we could find a way to do things better for our children. I do not blame her for the decisions that were made in the last 2 years. While the press may put it that way (even in the future) my only concern is that I believe she should have spoken to me about the kids.

I am sure people want a zillion details but frankly I have said too much here. However in the past people always said that newspaper stories were not going to happen, civil actions were never going to happen, and tv reports were never going to happen. Well like the Baltimore Sun, Berkshire Eagle, and other stories it will happen.

I have some interesting friends of my side, and frankly some people will freak when they learned how I got people to cross the line ALREADY and even months ago (past tense).
Yes I am talking stealth but like the Berkshire Eagle story with in a few days I will be posting the names of people to speak to. Then everybody can say I am trying to force things with the same old stuff. Oh well so be it. Least the words hit the net and tv.

People like Tom M will know things, in fact people like him will some dramatic and specific details. He has no agenda. And neither do some of the people who write here. This will play out about the best of my efforts. Why because I handed it off to people who do this for a living. One of the groups involved is very media savy and other than giving some minor information you will not see specific names posted on the matters regarding the civil matters. Others will do that. Heck it will be on TV. If anybody else asks why I got so many lawyers involved the answer is simple. I am taking back what was mine. I should have done so 5 years ago.

[dancer]

I wanted to give somebody some news. As well. Cookies are times stamped. Assume the worst about somebody and you might wake realizing that you have betrayed somebody in your own home. Hard drives and police have good tools to figure out when things happened. You can tell when clocks are rolled back on computers and you can tell if there has been a virus on a computer a certain date via registry information. Simply changing a few files will not produce something you can hide. You have to 00000000000000000000000000 out a hard drive in order to hide things. I have not zero out a hard drive since I worked for a finacial institution let alone a house computer. I have no need too. People assuming the worst sometimes makes for interesting proof of what their agenda is. I want to live free of people who want to harm people, hurt people, belittle people, and hurt people in their family life. I do not get on here and name people or do things to do something to hurt somebody and their family. I regret at times my fight with GGWO has become personal. It should not have. Not a single Pastors child should be held out to live a nightmare because of their parents mistakes or a person who was hurt desire to see some justice done in their own way. Rich Mullins use to joke. Vengence is mine say the Lord, but I want to be about my fathers business. Meaning pay back some things done to him that were wrong. If I had a dime for everytime somebody turned on me because I did something wrong, or thought I did I would never have to work. When I wake up from these fights the only thing I know for sure is that I never claimed to be good or right, justified or rightous. My spelling is terrible and read on you will find I make plenty of mistakes.

My heart has never failed me in this. Never. Just my hope that it would end one day. How many degree of seperation do I need for that? Jim you may make a joke now.