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[david_munson]

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In answer to the implication being made by Mr.Buckley,

Deuteronomy 19:15 One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.
(this has been done)
Matthew 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
(This too has been done)
Matthew 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
(This is being done now)

Do you not yet understand Mr.Buckley?

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[orangetwopay]

holy cow, does jimbo have a doktorate from MBC&amp;BS?

...does anyone see how this stuff is an exponent of the topical style preaching of GG? get an idea, find "support" for it in the bible, and then teach it as if it came directly from the mouth of God. you've got a "special" and "awesome" word from God then, don't ya?

[listener]

Then, having attempted to establish a principle using a specific Biblical event, bring in verses that appear (out of context) to be applied correctly, but on actual evaluation, clearly are not applicable to the proposed principle.

In between verses, scatter in non-Biblical statements that imply some relation to Scripture, but which are not actually derived from any of the Scriptures referenced.

[hadasa]

Carl Stevens = Charlton Heston

ye korahites

[cordell]

Wow. He's been saving that up for a while, don't ya think?

Should make FN more fun though.

[hadasa]

yeah, legally speaking, he doesnt leave ole JimB much wiggle room; I think JimB is just about forced to seek an esquire now

[hadasa]

yeah, legally speaking, he doesnt leave ole JimB much wiggle room; I think JimB is just about forced to seek an esquire now

[jim_buckley]

daved

"I am not positive, Jim,
but I think that you
[my brother in the Lord Jesus Christ]
may have aught against me.]"

1) I don't even know you.

2) For your edification: we are in the Age of Grace, we won't enter into the Kingdom Age until Christ returns to Earth and Reigns.

3) It would be helpful for your spiritual growth to operate and understand the scriptures in their correct dispensations.


"Jim,
You seem to have ought against many,
if not all, of the persons who post on FACTNet."

The key word is "seems".

For your edification: study the Greek words dekeo (1380 in Strong's)and hegeomai (2233) which distinguishes between the wrong way of thinking and the right way of thinking.

"you once were a member of,
and that you are no longer even associated with."

I am and will always be a member of The Body of Christ! I am neither under The Law nor under Kingdom Law. I can see why you are confused, but daily intake of The Word of God communicated by an authorized spokesman (Pastor/Teacher) will gradually clear up this confusion.

"If only a member of GGWO in good standing,
would chose to post [like you have] on FACTNet,
and openly discuss problem areas,
that exist between GGWO Christians
and the Christians who post on FACTNet."

There is nothing to discuss. I'm not aware of any active members of GGWO on Factnet.com, therefore, ex-members and non-members have no voice in the GGWO assemblies.

[jim_buckley]

hadasa

"yeah, legally speaking, he doesnt leave ole JimB much wiggle room"

That is exactly what the Law does: leaves no wiggle room.

On the other hand under Grace there is much Liberty. 2Co 3:17

"I think JimB is just about forced to seek an esquire now"

How about an Advocate? 1Jo 2:1

[hadasa]

uh JimB, that was actually a touch of sarcasm towards daved's rant; so, uh, yeah, you can represent yourself.

but more importantly, I don't know that it's clear to you that a basic reason why this forum exists is that CHS and leaders in GGWO once upon a time set themselves up as an infallible (unquestionable) Authority; implicitly and explicitly; That's theologically just cwazy and made for some extreme legalism &amp; licentiousness.

Yeah I remember Mr. Stevens basically equating his Pastorship Authority to Mosaic Authority (My local Pastor also effectually did this with statements like "As far as I can tell, every message I've ever preached was 100% led by the holy spirit") And he got that from the precedent of the Liquid Waves of Love thing; Mosaic Authority teachings; Nee's Spiritual Authority - twisted or not. etc. &amp; etc.

Serious Problems historically in ye ole TBS/GGWO.

[hadasa]

uh JimB, that was actually a touch of sarcasm towards daved's rant; so, uh, yeah, you can represent yourself.

but more importantly, I don't know that it's clear to you that a basic reason why this forum exists is that CHS and leaders in GGWO once upon a time set themselves up as an infallible (unquestionable) Authority; implicitly and explicitly; That's theologically just cwazy and made for some extreme legalism &amp; licentiousness.

Yeah I remember Mr. Stevens basically equating his Pastorship Authority to Mosaic Authority (My local Pastor also effectually did this with statements like "As far as I can tell, every message I've ever preached was 100% led by the holy spirit") And he got that from the precedent of the Liquid Waves of Love thing; Mosaic Authority teachings; Nee's Spiritual Authority - twisted or not. etc. &amp; etc.

Serious Problems historically in ye ole TBS/GGWO.

[sidethorn]

Carl Stevens self-appointed himself as an apostle and the standard for all other Christians in these days to live up to. He also gathered himself a bunch of high-minded insiders to help him promote Carl's version of Christianity as the best of the best. These guys preached like their every word was straight from God and who was anyone else to dare question them. Scriptures were twisted by these men on a massive scale to serve these mens' self interests and allow them to control people with no accountability. This is the imfamous doctrine of rebound and covering at work. GGWO pastors have repeatedly slandered others from their pulpits, claimed 'repentance' and 'covering', and tell others that they can never mention their sin again even if those pastors fully intend to slander more people in the future. This leaves no room for exposing wolves in sheep's clothing from devouring unsuspecting people and taking advantage of them. These monsters thrive on silence and they know it!! No wonder they preach against people exposing things!! The pastoral sins can be anything really, not just slandering people who disagree with them. It can include hideous sins like child molestation too. Exposing the harmful pastors among us is vital, it can save a life!!! If I ever catch a pastor molesting a child or anyone, the authorities will be hearing about it after I deal with them physically first. I don't give a rats a$$ what GGWO teaching or Jim Buckley have to say about staying silent because of some kind of 'covering'. This wicked doctrine from GGWO about covering that has thoroughly infected Jim Buckley's brain is basically a criminal cover-up!! Forget about covering as GGWO teaches. Let the molesters, charlatans, and other con men among us get exposed before more people get hurt!!!!

[cordell]

For those of us who are not the theologian that you are jiMMYBuckK, 'splain dis, please:

<font color="0000ff"> " I am neither under The Law nor under Kingdom Law. "</font>

For the layman, 'splain the difference.

[jim_buckley]

sidethorn

"This is the imfamous doctrine of rebound and covering at work."

What is your Doctrine of rebound and covering?

[whatsup]

I think I remember that one....the pastor gets to sin (sleep with different women, gossip, slander, etc) and no one can say anything...they must cover him, and he never repents to anyone but of course he "rebounds" privately with God and then bounds off to sin again and then rebounds...then bounds to sin, rebounds....and since he is covered it is all ok

[jim_buckley]

cordell

"For the layman, 'splain the difference."

The Law = God's commandments, judgements, and ordinances given to the nation Israel from Moses (Ex 19:3)to Pentecost (Acts 2), though in a sense it ended at the cross.

Kingdom Law = How Christ as supreme ruler of the earth as King of Kings and Lord of Lords will govern the nations during the millennial reign. Which is defined in part in The Sermon on the Mount.

[david_munson]

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Mr.Buckley says,
"I can see why you are confused, but daily intake of The Word of God communicated by an authorized spokesman (Pastor/Teacher) will gradually clear up this confusion."

Authorized spokesman huh?
It is a certainty that the so called "authorized spokesman" at TBS/GGWO named Carl Stevens did more to confuse the laity than any one else ever could with his manipulation,doctrinal error and lies against the body.

You may choose to defend such B.S. but I will sound the shofar to warn every one I can.
It's a command to do so.

Jeremiah 22:22 The wind shall eat up all thy pastors, and thy lovers shall go into captivity: surely then shalt thou be ashamed and confounded for all thy wickedness.

Jeremiah 23:1 Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.
:2 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD.

Not only have they not visited them,they choose instead to slander and malign.

The Holy Spirit is our pastor teacher ,
not some wolf with an agenda.

Get a clue Mr.Buckley before more people are deceived into thinking that some man has the say over every aspect of their lives.

The pastor is only a conductor that helps keep things in order.
The Holy Spirit ministers to the body through the body when the church is in it's proper order.
The pastor has nothing above any other member in the body.

But
you do not discern the body nor do you intend to protect her.
Instead,you put one man above all other members in the body.
This is division perpetrated by false doctrine.

Come and reason with the body that visits here.
You will soon loose the confusion that you are plagued with.

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[jim_buckley]

david_munson

"The Holy Spirit ministers to the body through the body when the church is in it's proper order."

I'm sorry, along with my confusion I have a bad case of ignorance. Where exactly do I find the scriptures to qualify that statement? Are you still hung up on the "Body" mentality? Maybe your not as free as you think you are.

[sidethorn]

Jim Buckley

You are the captive. GGWO has your mind!!! So much so that you would cover up for a predator of a pastor to abide by what you think is Biblical covering. FYI. When a Christian truly repents of a sin, God puts that in His sea of forgetfulness and will not bring it up at the Believer's Judgement Seat in the end. However, that does not excuse the believer from the laws of sowing and reaping or accountability to civil government. That is God's order whether you want to believe that or not. God instituted civil government for the protection of people. That means if you do the crime, you do the time Jimmybuck!!!! Get used to it. A crooked pastor can claim 'repentance' all he wants in a courtroom, but if he's found guilty, he's still going to do his time in the big house!!! That is part of God's order. Covering up for a criminal is also a crime and that is God's idea. So for an example if you think its okay to coverup for a pastor who just boinked your neighbor's ten year old daughter because he claims he repented of it, see how fast you end up in the big house along with that pastor if you all get caught by the ccps. That is God's order. God doesn't excuse anyone from accountability and the laws of sowing and reaping JB. Recieving Christ by faith and repentance gets one saved and forgiven of all sin as far as God is concerned. Their sins are covered and washed away by the blood of Christ. But God will not set aside civil government, courts, and police departments for people who get out of line, including Christians. Carl and his insiders invented an entire twist on covering and rebound to escape all personal accountability and responsibility for their actions. That false teaching is precisely what you've been preaching to us here. We don't buy it and we never will!! True rebound is restoration of fellowship between a believer and God upon true repentance and confession of a sin. It is not the cowardly escapism from accountability and personal responsibility for one's actions that you and Carl Stevens advocate. There are still consequences for ones actions that one has to live with in this life which could include a long stay in the big house. Nobody gets 'covering' from that!! Its time you and the whole GGWO leadership grow up and accept this.

[jim_buckley]

sidethorn

Your singing the same old boring song. This thread is about the Public Lie. Try and stick with the program, your obsession is showing.

[sidethorn]

Talk about obsessions Jim. You are the champion of obsessions. You've been obsessing for weeks about this stupid idea of 'covering' to avoid personal responsibility and accountability. If exposing GGWO and its lies are boring to you, why read my posts and respond to them in such an infantile matter??? We've been sticking to the program for months, you've been missing the program. Jim, your childish obsessions are showing along with your total lack of understanding of the Bible.

[jim_buckley]

sidethorn

902 posts, do you ever feel a little redundant?

Is part of your program: attack and accuse? I only ask because you haven't addressed "The Public Lie" but chose to attack and accuse me personally. "Never attack the message always the messenger", right?

[cordell]

jiMMYBucK:
Does this apply to you?:

<font color="0000ff">But sexual immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints.</font>

How 'bout this:

<font color="0000ff">Therefore, having put away falsehood, let each one of you speak the truth with his neighbor, for we are members one of another.</font>

does that apply to you? Are you under that? What about this?:

<font color="0000ff">Let the thief no longer steal, but rather let him labor, doing honest work with his own hands, so that he may have something to share with anyone in need.</font>

Do these scriptures apply to you?:

<font color="0000ff">Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord...Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her?</font>

Finally, O jiMMYBucK, does this apply to you?:

<font color="0000ff">Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. Honor your father and mother (this is the first commandment with a promise), that it may go well with you and that you may live long in the land.</font>

Please 'splain how it is that any of these apply to you.

[sidethorn]

Jim

You just don't get it, do you??? Factnet is about exposing GGWO and its unrepentant leadership to keep more people from being led astray and used by it. Redundancy is all part of the cult exposing business. Since different readers read different threads instead of all of them, why not put some of the same points on multiple threads??? Are you sure I have only 902 posts Jim?? The counter has been altered several times, the actual count is nearing the 1000 mark. Not that that makes me or anyone special. Some posters here have far more posts than Sidethorn. So you think we're so redundant?? Have you read all my 900+ posts Jim?? Have you read all the posts of other great posters like Dave Munson, Hodeuon, and the many others (in my heart I'm mentioning everyone but space limitations get in the way)???? If you did, you would find Sidethorn and other posters are not as redundant as you may think.

The facts of the matter are that Carl Stevens and his inner circle have been chastened by other believers for false teaching, inappropriate use of church funds, manipulation and exploitation of brothers and sisters of the body of Christ, the complete refusal to submit to the body of Christ and God Himself and be accountable, the wreckless slandering of people disliked by the leadership to turn friends and loved ones against them. That's just for starters. This crap is still going on Jim!!! Then you have the nerve to come on Factnet and condemn us for exposing GGWO as the cult that it is. Now you put up all this Public Lie stuff insinuating that we're all participating in a public lie sin against GGWO and God would judge us for it. Then you cry and complain like a little baby when I gave you a needed spanking for all this. If you're thinking, we're attacking your message, you're right. Expect more and more if you continue to shovel more of your crap on Factnet. You can consider the rest as discipline, not hate. I don't hate you Jim, I hate your message and you're advocating of coverups for corrupt wolves in sheep's clothing. If you can't take the heat Jim, stay off Factnet!!!

[david_munson]

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Mr.Buckley
"david_munson

"The Holy Spirit ministers to the body through the body when the church is in it's proper order."

I'm sorry, along with my confusion I have a bad case of ignorance. Where exactly do I find the scriptures to qualify that statement? Are you still hung up on the "Body" mentality? Maybe your not as free as you think you are."
---
LOL,you're funny.
Here's a few scriptures for you.
1 Corinthians 14:29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
:30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
:31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.

Here's your "authorized" people.
1 Corinthians 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
:8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
:9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

To every man severally as He will.
Gee,I wonder why the Lord would give such gifts to the members of His body if He didn't intend for them to use them when they got together?
As a body.

Jim,
it would seem that you are lacking freedom.

I look for Christ's body in every place I go and I find members everywhere.
Not just at GGWO.

Discern Jim,discern.

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[kupski]

Jim
I think the perfect excuse in Greater Disgrace Theology, is to make sure that the person of hierarchy is NEVER attacked ....that way you ensure that they are covered in their " Wickedness" that everyone around swallows the b.s.

Its sad you keep making a line of delineation between " commoners " and the leadership.

If these men were made immeditatly accountable from the start, Most of these issues would of never surfaced, but then again this is a learned behavior.

I beg you man. go to another church for about three months and you will be shocked at the mere fact of accountablity.
better yet, try this......It might help you

http://www.celebraterecovery.com/SmallGroups/codependant.shtml

[hodeuon]

“I can see why you are confused, but daily intake of The Word of God communicated by an authorized spokesman (Pastor/Teacher) will gradually clear up this confusion.”

This statement certainly appears to be at odds with the Reformation principles that all believers should be reading the word of God on their own, and that through the illumination of the Holy Spirit, individual believers are capable of understanding God’s word.

Do you think that God authorizes each pastor and each teacher directly? Or is there a hierarchy?

Hodeuon

[jim_buckley]

david_munson

Have you gone Pentecostal with those verses?

I can recommend a good book on the gifts of The Holy Spirit for your edification.

[jim_buckley]

hodeuon

"This statement certainly appears to be at odds with the Reformation principles"

I don't know what the reformed churches teach since we have much more light of the truth today than what they offered.

I'm glad you used the words "certainly appears to be" because your perception is not what is written. If I used the word "only" you may have a point, I just didn't chose to write an exhaustive treatise on Growing in Grace and Knowledge.

"Do you think that God authorizes each pastor and each teacher directly? Or is there a hierarchy?"

Aren't they called by God, by His selection?

[cordell]

<font color="0000ff">I don't know what the reformed churches teach since we have much more light of the truth today than what they offered.</font>

Analyze dis:

A. "I don't know what the reformed churches teach"

B. "We have much more light of the truth today than what they offered"

1. jiMMYbuCK confesses that he doesn't know what the Reformed churches teach.

2. Whatever it is that they teach (which he doesn't know) He DOES know that HIS light of truth is MORE than what they offered.

How in the hell do you know that, jiminybucketpompousa$$ if you don't know what they teach?

[cordell]

<font color="0000ff">"Do you think that God authorizes each pastor and each teacher directly? Or is there a hierarchy?"

Aren't they called by God, by His selection?</font>

Aren't they confirmed in their calling by HUMAN beings--elders--by the laying on of hands??? Aren't they also called into account by HUMAN beings--anyone who finds them sinning who can produce the required number of witnesses?

Isn't it interesting that yiminyBUCKet ignores my challenge to him above concerning the application of those scriptures from the epistle to the epistle to the Ephesians (one of the prison epistles that these EXTREME hyperdispies like yimmy and leegriffith still think is applicable to the church in our day).

[cordell]

Because yimMINYbUCK and his ilk don't think they're subject to the moral Law of God they invent NEW doctrines:

The Doctrine of the Public Lie: new ****e I don't get to do so I can be holier than you.

The Doctrine of Cross-Bearing: new ****e I have to do in order to look like I'm holier than you.

[david_munson]

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JB,"david_munson
Have you gone Pentecostal with those verses?"
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Oh, so you recognise how the church was operating under the direction of the Holy Spirit?
Good.
Maybe you can make some headway into true Christianity.

GGWO practices Nicolaitanism.
Control of the laity.

God hates that.

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[guess_who_is_coming_to_dinner]

Jim B.,
As I read (suffered through) your regurgitated drivel this morning, it reminded me of when I was on a camping trip and used a CHS 'doctrine booklet' ( I think it was the 'doctrine of doctrine')for toilet paper. You know, it really chafed my arse. However, my heart is much more chafed today as I read your esoteric, gnostic, mystic, pietistic musings. If your musings were not so tragic it would be downright humorous.

Why do you continue to view yourself as the subject matter expert (SME) on Christ and His mind when you cannot even think critically or discern truth if it bayoneted in the skull? Pull your head out of your spiritual arse you stubborn jarhead. Be strong and think. Your pompous condescending attitude is so familiar.

[lana]

Jim B. When Carl was fornacating with two women at once, bilking Betsy,covering up for Steves adultry, paying off Ryan hundreds of thousands of members money, did you see any open repentance? If not, it was all covered up. Many knew it.
Public confession from those in such authority was the only way to be restored and forgiven. If I stoled 500 dollors from someone and covered it up, I wouldn't rebound under a covering. I would have to give it back and beg forgiveness. Thats restoration.

[cordell]

If CHS was in the missionary position how did that affect positional truth?

[redsnapper]

No wonder JIM BUCKLEY crawled away from factnet last month. The questions became too large for his boxed in tidy little doctrines that he gets from Rick Knapp every week.

Plus he probably had to make sure that Astrid was being the 'godly wife' by being submissive to him without question. That takes a lot of work I remember to maintain a greater grace type of marriage.
Once the rebuttals and counter questions begin JIM BUCKLEY will slink away from factnet and soak up some more Rick Knapp doctrines to come back here and post word for word. Doesnt require too much thinking on his part , but having a cult mindset never did.

Notice the tone of his responses; if you dont agree with him and his neat little 'docrines' your being 'unchristian' even to the pooint that he acts as if he is being persecuted by all these 'ungodly factnetters'http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif

Yep, Jim doesn't seem capable of having a normal conversation without regurgitating a lot of memorized doctrines. You can take the guy out of the cult but can't always take the cult out of the guy.
JIM BUCKLEY are you still a deacon or pastor or whatever the title is at Knapps church?
(I Bet he cant answer this one directly either without spitting out memorized 'docrines')

Also, as before LEE GRIFFITH is due to crawl out from under his rock at anytime now to say in so many words 'Jim said it, I believe it, that settles it !!

These two are so predictable, like the pharisees of old.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif

[out]

Dear Jim, Are you aware of all the vile things CHS spread about Pastor Knapp after he left? Why would you think CHS's sin against your pastor doesn't require the biblical route of Matt.18? I am not speaking in context to FN but church order. FN is a by-product of what happens when a pastor does not repent for sins of the tongue against another man of God. And please do not accuse me of gossip because of I have more than one first hand account where Carl ranted on about Pastor Knapp after I defended him. I have been to Rick's church and I have many mutual friends of yours also. They do not hold the same view as you concerning CHS and GG.

Again, I am not addressing FN but your view of defending a man who has sinned against your pastor. CHS is under discpline and the by-product is what you find on FN. Stop policing other believers. I don't believe the Colonel would approve of you messing with God's discpline of this man and ministry.

[cordell]

I thought Thieme was an admiral or something.

Knapp going the way of Thieme is one of the saddest events I can imagine.

[jim_buckley]

out

"Are you aware of all the vile things CHS spread about Pastor Knapp after he left?"

No, and it is no concern of mine. If (and it may or may not be, 3rd class condition) one man knows another man after the flesh and communicates it, I will not hear The Shepherd's voice and will not follow it. The object of the spiritual life is to focus on Christ and press on, not allowing distractions to hinder us. Why should I get hung up on: "did you hear what so-in-so said about so-in-so?". I've been out of grade school for a long time. That will not add one iota to my spiritual growth, but it will stunt my growth and I will be "yet carnal, a babe in Christ.

"FN is a by-product of what happens when a pastor does not repent for sins of the tongue against another man of God."

The word repent is thrown around Factnet like candy at a parade. What do you mean by repent? Sack cloth and ashes? Does anybody here really understand repentance from a Finished Work perspective? What would you have a sinner do to repent from their sins? Definition please?

"And please do not accuse me of gossip because of I have more than one first hand account where Carl ranted on"

Could it be you are listening to the wrong voices?

"They do not hold the same view as you concerning CHS and GG."

If (3rd class condition) some hold views contrary to Bible Doctrine they did not learn these views from the pulpit of their local Pastor/Teacher.

"CHS is under discipline"

How do you know this? Has Jesus confided in you of this matter? Again, if (3rd class condition)this is true then CHS needs our prayers and not accusations and attacks.

[jim_buckley]

cordell

"Knapp going the way of Thieme is one of the saddest events I can imagine."

Even sadder is one who departs from "Finished Work Truth" an embraces Calvinism.

[whatsup]

Neil ready for war....JB back preaching....wasn't the full moon LAST week?

[david_munson]

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Mr. Buckley,
Carl Stevens gets prayed for by people here and no it's not for his death.

You come here with presumption against any who would do as the Bible tells us ,when it says to warn the flock of wolves and false teachers ,as though God would have us stumble along believing error and that's fine with Him.
It isn't.

You are lost to the concept that the body has watchmen and women that are assigned to watch over her and protect against liars and deceivers.

You show no concern for the members that "pastors" have scattered and refuse to visit while all the time they spread lies about those who left and continually malign them.

You speak but you know nothing as you ought.

And by the way,
no where in scripture does it say "one pastor/ teacher" for life.
It doesn't even imply one pastor/teacher.
It is in the plural not the singular.
(I know that and I'm no scholar)

You have things mixed up and out of order.
You speak of "pastors" with a tone of worship towards them instead of holding them up as members in particular.Equals in Christ which is what they are.

Put away the pedestal mentality and get back to the true balance and proper perspective.
Christians don't keep silent about damaging error and manipulation if they are walking in the Spirit.

Why aren't you addressing the outright lies and hypocrisy that emanate from the pulpits of GGWO?
Are you afraid to tell the truth when it benefits and protects the body?

Or do you have another agenda?

Dave

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[out]

Whatever Jim.

You don't follow your own bible doctrine. You disqualify yourself everytime you write on FN. You are an accuser of the brethren.

Out

[cordell]

<font color="0000ff">Even sadder is one who departs from "Finished Work Truth" an embraces Calvinism.</font>

That is the stupidest self-contradictory statement I have ever seen. Calvinism IS REAL finished work truth. You, yiMMINYbucK, wouldn't know either if it bit you in the a$$.

[cordell]

yimMINYbuCK: <font color="0000ff">No, and it is no concern of mine.</font>

yimMINYBUck sticks fingers in ears and goes, "LALALALALALALALA! I can't hear you!"

[cordell]

YIMminyBUck: <font color="0000ff">"CHS is under discipline"

How do you know this? Has Jesus confided in you of this matter?</font>

Discipline, by its very nature in the church, is implemented by HUMANS. JESUS has already confided in us how that is done in the gospels, and Paul has elaborated on this in the epistles. Discipline in the church may begin locally and extend past that locality, see Acts 15.

[cordell]

<font color="0000ff">If (3rd class condition) some hold views contrary to Bible Doctrine they did not learn these views from the pulpit of their local Pastor/Teacher.</font>

So...what YImmINYbuCK is here to tell us is that local Pastor/Teachers are fekkin' infallible, incapable of EVER teaching error.

[jim_buckley]

cordell

With four consecutive posts over a period of twenty minutes you lead someone to believe you have something gnawing at your conscience.

[jim_buckley]

david_munson

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn!

Remember, Paul rode a horse to Damascus.

[jim_buckley]

out

"You disqualify yourself everytime you write on FN"

How can this be when The Father Himself has qualified me. Col 1:12

"You are an accuser of the brethren."

I think I'll believe God's Word over yours, He says I'm complete in Christ and accepted in the Beloved. Col 2:12, Eph 1:6.

Friend your argument is with the Word of God. The flesh will never accept grace by faith, it must always preform for it's own justification. But discernment will come from a steady diet of Bible Doctrine based on Finished Work Truth. Tapes and mp3's are available if your are not in an area for face to face teaching.

[cordell]

yimINYbUCk, I sleep just fine. Your statements needed separating simply because of their inanity, stupidity and distance from any real relativity to actual biblical doctrine.

[cordell]

YimMINYbucK will never read this excellent treatise on the Finished Work of Christ. (http://www.gnpcb.org/product/1581340036) That means it's likely to be a pretty good source for understanding the doctrine from a biblical perspective!

[out]

Friend, I have no problem with the Word of God. I have mp3's aplenty and attend an excellent church. I have the gift of discernment. My point is: are you not coming on FN and accusing your fellow believers? Is that not accusing the brethren? You are not God but you join a message board and make all kind of assumptions, judgements on fellow believers and you have no idea who you are even accusing. It's wrong Jim. As I stated before "The Colonel would not approve."

[jim_buckley]

out

"I have no problem with the Word of God. I have mp3's aplenty and attend an excellent church."

Why are you here? As a new member with only nine posts you must be seeking something. Are you looking to increase your knowledge of Christ or to grow in grace?

Is discernment a gift or is it acquired through the daily intake of The Word of God?

Your reverse psychology is not only naturally minded but just plain lame.

out, come on out, be a man. Why hide your identity?

[jim_buckley]

cordell

"YimMINYbucK will never read this excellent treatise on the Finished Work of Christ."

Your are correct sir!

"Your statements needed separating simply because of their inanity, stupidity and distance from any real relativity to actual biblical doctrine."

Twenty minutes to think up little cutie-pie remarks, are you slipping?

[cordell]

<font color="0000ff">"out, come on out, be a man. Why hide your identity?"</font>

This is FactNet turds for brains, and folks can remain anonymous if they like. It is their privilege and you can take a flyin' leap if you don't like it. You don't have any idea who lurks here or the reasons why someone may not want the entire world to know their identity--that's part of the deal of being on this forum. If you don't like it, why don't you go attempt self-copulation.

And--while I'm at it--I take as much time as I like in between posts because I, unlike many, am a multitasker. So kiss my roseyred.

[cordell]

<font color="0000ff">Your are correct sir!</font> (sic)

Spellcheck will not help you. But perhaps you could chant this for assistance:

wee todd did
eye yam
sofa king
wee todd did.

[jim_buckley]

cordell

"This is FactNet turds for brains, and folks can remain anonymous if they like. It is their privilege and you can take a flyin' leap if you don't like it. You don't have any idea who lurks here or the reasons why someone may not want the entire world to know their identity--that's part of the deal of being on this forum. If you don't like it, why don't you go attempt self-copulation.

And--while I'm at it--I take as much time as I like in between posts because I, unlike many, am a multitasker. So kiss my roseyred."

Oops! Did I hit a nerve? Sorry Bro, far be it from me to offend a weaker vessel.

[cordell]

The only vessel that's weak around here is the one on your shoulders holding that miniscule amount of gray matter with which you're apparently underburdened.

[forte]

"wee todd did
eye yam
sofa king
wee todd did."

Lol. So great!

[david_munson]

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Mr.Buckley,
why are you really here?

It certain;y isn't because you give a Sh*t about those who post here.
Your smug superiority complex does you no justice that's for sure and your lack of proper contextual biblical application only serves to bolster the GGWO deceptive doctrines practices since that is what you are defending.

You infer that I am persecuting the church with your misplaced scripture about Paul.
I infer that you are for enabling wolves and abusers of the flock and my inferance carries more weight with it.
The very scriptures you misuse to "cover"(hide/conceal) teachers of error and manipulation back it up.

Don't be Balaam's transportation.

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[sidethorn]

Buckley surely isn't here to protect the members of the body of Christ from being abused, mislead, and led astray by corrupt, self serving, leaders that have their own agendas. Buckley would rather cover up for them!!

[hadasa]

I don't know sidethorn with all of GGWO's errors, people like you, munson, Neil, cordell, just don't ring so true either

[hadasa]

I don't know sidethorn with all of GGWO's errors, people like you, munson, Neil, cordell, just don't ring so true either

[cordell]

chirp...chirp...chirp...

[david_munson]

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Ain't dat tweet?



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[david_munson]

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Ain't dat tweet?



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[out]

"You don't have to brow beat people into listening to doctrine". The reason being 'we were made to receive divinely disclosed truth, knowledge' Col. 3:9-11 along with that 'the believer is ALL READY for the truth' Eph. 4:24."
R. Knapp

It would seem that you are presuming way too much regarding the spiritual condition of the posters on this forum. You have presumed against me often. I would not trust you with my name or my story, Jim. You lack spiritual application. Doctrine which is only in one's head turns doctrine into a weapon. Spiritually applied doctrine liberates and transforms, not only the individual but the lives around him.

I offer one word of advice, Jim. Get the Colonel's series on child abuse, listen to it and let it permeate your spirit and then come back to the forum.

Out

[sidethorn]

I wouldn't entrust my real name or any area of my life to Jim Buckley at all. Jim knows next to nothing about the true meaning of many of the Scriptures. His posts on Factnet prove that. Anyone who would advocate covering up for a preacher who continues to pose a threat to the physical or spiritual safety of their community needs to completely overhaul their theology. Another good thing for Jim B. to do is to read all the threads on Factnet concerning the physical and spiritual abuse of kids and then completely examine his own spiritual walk. It's one thing to have a bunch of head knowledge with Scriptures that makes one proud and legalistic, its another thing to have a truly working heart knowledge of the Bible that will liberate and make one really usable for God's kingdom.

[whatsup]

I think he should become a Jehovah's Witness and go door to door preaching. He is definitely one of the 144,00 going to heaven

[cordell]

I think he should go to the planet Kolob and have spirit children with his spirit wives to make sure that all the little human babies down here on earth have souls when they're born...

[cordell]

<font color="0000ff">On KOLOB, <u>the main activity is mating</u>. This is because the spirit world of KOLOB exists to supply souls for newborn earthlings. When a soul is needed for a fertilized human ovum, a previously dispatched spirit from KOLOB travels to earth at speeds faster than light. Faster than light travel is easily achieved for Kolobian spirits because spirits weigh nothing (in fact they weigh less than nothing because spirits are mostly composed of tachyons, which, as science has convincingly shown, always must travel faster than light).

It is a stream of these supraluminal spirits from the planet KOLOB that supplies the souls of earthlings’ fertilized ova, Mormon and gentile alike. About 39,000 babies are born on Earth every minute, right? So figure it out yourself. Souls arrive speedily to lend the vital force to our otherwise useless shells. It is with special spirit, that Mormon wives, who are called "Precious Vessels", deliver their tiny extra-terrestrial visitors. Mormon fathers are especially eager to trigger this process, beginning at KOLOB, in a galaxy far, far away, and ending at the end of a birth canal.</font>

You see, it really is all about sex. Mormons and Muslims have this in common in their view of 'heaven'. The Mormons even have a song (http://www.nowscape.com/mormon/kolob-hi.htm) about it!

[greaterdisgrace]

Hey Mr Buckley.. I loved the cop-out "not knowing any man after the flesh" Tell me, does that cover the children who were raped under the pastors of GGWO?
Do you have a quaint little verse to make that all disapear? Do you have a little quote to make the children guilty because GGWo covered up what happened to them and elevated the men responsible?
Oh wait..perhaps your hateful holier than thou attitude is because you're one of the abusers yourself?
I hope you're in line on the fateful day when the abusers have to face these children before God. Lets see how smug you are then.

Imagine the number of people GGWO has driven AWAY from GOD.

[cordell]

<font color="0000ff">About 39,000 babies are born on Earth every minute, right?</font>

That's a whole lotta whoopie-makin' out on Kolob! You gotta have more than just 72 virgins, I betcha.

[sidethorn]

In Buckley's theology along with GGWO's, the pervert's sins are covered forever once they "repented" whether or not they really repented. We can't ever bring it up again because we can't "know any man after the flesh". Meanwhile the pervert is free to molest the next child, then "repent" to get himself "covered" and repeat the cycle all over again. For the molested child, there is no covering. No, they have to live with the trauma and destroyed emotions forever unless they can find miraculous healing from God. (Thank God some kids are!!!) But these molested kids and their parents can't bring up anything about these crimes because these disgusting perverts got themselves "covered". This "covering" teaching that Buckley has been trying to shove down our throats is diabolical crap straight from the devil himself. Its designed to let perverts, con men, and crooks take advantage of more and more people and avoid having to face the music for their actions. What cowards these so called men really are!!!! People like Jim Buckley, Carl Stevens, and Tom Schaller make me want to bend over and puke!!! They are an offensive stumbling block to many and have given them a lot of wrong ideas about God and His Son Jesus. I know some people that have already stumbled and have misconceptions about God because of "men" like these. In the end, what will these cowardly "men" say to God to explain their actions and advocating covering up for perverts that destroyed young lives??? There won't be any pastor-teacher presenting them to God or advocating for them. They're going to be there all by themselves before God to give an account for themselves!!! God will show them all the people they drove away from Himself by their hypocrisy, self righteousness, arrogance, and wreckless actions. What will these "men" who think they're the standard of Christianity do then??? What will they say to God???

[hodeuon]

If we can take their words at face value, they don't plan on having to say anything to God. Carl's doctrine is that God *forgets* confessed sin. As in, cannot remember it any more.

I would argue that "I will remember their sins no more" is viewing the situation from the human viewpoint. That God does not charge believers with sin because Christ bore that sin for us. It is forgotten in that God never brings it up against us. But I think He knows what He has paid for. He is still omniscient, right? Unchangeable, too, for that matter.

This is a really tough question: If you confess and go out and sin the same sin and confess and go out and sin the same sin, are you really repentant? For sure I am not going to buy Carl's teaching that you can make a simple decision and an addiction magically goes away. But following Carl logic, if you confess it each time, nobody's allowed to bring up the fact that this is a repetitive pattern.

And then there's the other question. Was this faulty doctrine constructed, and then sin exploited it? Or were the sins there, and the doctrine was fabricated to accommodate them?

Hodeuon

[cordell]

Wait! I can see the LIQUID WAVES OF LOVE PROMISING AN ANOINTING ON EVERY MESSAGE (http://www.worthleypond.com/)

[lee]

Hodeuon

I think Carl manufactured his doctrines because of desperateness to cover up his sins and keep his status and power. Toward the end of my stay there, I saw a pathetic man working very hard to keep all the secrets and lies organized. I had a mixture of sadness for his state and anger for what he'd got away with for so long. Kinda like the big guys that run companies into the ground and take from people till their coffers are full and the workers are left with little or nothing.

Cordell, those photos are beautiful. I always had a visual image of Worthley Pond as being a boggy silt laden place where Carl pulled off the side of the road and had an unusual visitation that most of us would never attain to.

Glad my eyes are open!

[sidethorn]

Carl was definately trying to cover things up and so were a lot of people working under him. GGWO surely is an 'ENRON' of sorts in the religeous world. Take and take from the people and fatten the wallets of the unaccountable inner circle. In the end, the people are taken for a very long ride!! Carl and his insiders have been twisting teaching about coverings and authority in order to control people and avoid exposure for their own actions. These guys thrive in a world of secrecy, so no wonder they invented this twist on this "repent", rebound, and get covered thing. These guys don't want to be exposed so they "repent" and claim they're covered and that its a sin for anyone to expose their corruption, even if they don't have any intentions of repenting at all. It is true that if a believer truly repents of a sin, God will put it in the Sea of His Forgetfulness and will never bring that sin up again for all eternity. Praise God forevermore!!! We all have sins we've repented of and are no longer issues for anyone to talk about anymore. They're in the past and are gone. That would be the case if GGWO truly reformed, purged itself of its false teaching, and cleaned up its leadership. Sadly that is not the case, so the exposure of GGWO must go on despite their leadership's claims that they're "covered". Maybe that reform will happen in the future, that would be great!!! But let GGWO prove themselves to be a truly cleaned up church instead of a sick personality cult that repeatedly takes advantage of people!!! Let the burden of proof be on GGWO!!

As to your last question Hodeuon, both possibilities are true, viscious cycle style. The problem just kept compounding itself until we got the mess we have now. I still suspect there was more of the problem of sin being there and doctrine being twisted to accomodate it. Glad we're all out of that mess!!

[hillbillygirl]

Guess,

I just crawled out from under my rock to say that I laughed so heard at this post, I did a number 1 in my wittle pants, LOLLOL Do I have your permission to cut and paste it somewhere I know it's needed desperatley, yet different subject than yimMinybuck though?????

Why do you continue to view yourself as the subject matter expert (SME) on Christ and His mind when you cannot even think critically or discern truth if it bayoneted in the skull? Pull your head out of your spiritual arse you stubborn jarhead. Be strong and think. Your pompous condescending attitude is so familiar.

GTP, Gone to PA, have to use the wifes name, FN isn't letting me in. tom

[whatsup]

GTP, if you are going to continue to read Factnet, perhaps you should consider wearing Depends

[gone_to_pa]

Where have you been man, I already do!!! LOL

GTP

[gone_to_pa]

Where have you been man, I already do!!! LOL

GTP

[david_munson]

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I thought that was a requirement.


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[cordell]

Not me. I pee out in the great wide open.



I get out of jail in about 5 more days...

[david_munson]

<font color="000000"><font face="arial,helvetica"></font>
Thanks for the warning,LOL.
Just kidding.
Still I couldn't let that one get by.

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[guess_who_is_coming_to_dinner]

Tom,

I have been out of the loop for awhile...You may cut and paste as freely and often as you need to. I am glad that you enjoyed it!

[gone_to_pa]

Thank-you so much,

Cordell, I found myself last night letting it blow in the cool night air; [ yea right it was freezing ] that's to say I only envy you in the summer, but fall and winter in gettysburg can be brutal.. All this talk makes me have to go make a number two. catch ya later.

Guess, I mean I was literally crying laughing it just hit me like that. Then someone from another web-site who doesn't like me came and cut, copied and pasted my entire post to show how mean Dave and I have been to yimMinybuck. They don't have a clue for real.

[gone_to_pa]

Thank-you so much,

Cordell, I found myself last night letting it blow in the cool night air; [ yea right it was freezing ] that's to say I only envy you in the summer, but fall and winter in Gettysburg can be brutal.. All this talk makes me have to go make a number duos . catch ya later.

Guess, I mean I was literally crying laughing it just hit me like that. Then someone from another web-site who doesn't like me came and cut, copied and pasted my entire post to show how mean Dave and I have been to yimMinybuck. They don't have a clue for real.