Marriage Seminar 06

[forte]

from the website:

“Guiding fictions can really do harm in a marriage. What is the purpose of my marriage? Is it happiness? Fulfillment? To have a good family? When there is leadership from the husband, then the family is a team and it cannot be turned against itself and it cannot be turned against God.”
- P. Schaller


“Marriages and families can bring a flood of troubles our way. In these situations, we need hope. Hope never promises an instant solution, just the confident expectation that there will be an eventual one.”
- P. Love


“It can be so easy for husbands and wives to use carnal weapons on each other. What we need to learn is to leave certain things out of our communications. Family comparisons, out-of-context Bible verses, poorly timed discussions all can complicate and stir tensions in an all ready volatile circumstance.”
- P. Lange

What the heck is a "guiding fiction"
How about john love's view on marriage, huh?
and Lange talking about "out of context bible verses". Isn't that how GG was built?
idiots

[sidethorn]

Love's view sounds kind of hopeless. His view about solutions is that they may not come until you're already dead and in eternity. I heard him do a service where He claims God does not always deliver all believers from their caves of affliction. He preached that God sovereignly chooses to leave some believers in those caves and gives them just enough "grace" to put up with it all without going completely insane, etc. This teaching doesn't leave much room for additional confidence than people generally have knowing we have problems in this life because we live in a fallen world and that in eternity, everything will be solved. He might as well have done no message at all that day. Psalms 84:11 and Psalms 34:7, 9, 10, 17, and 19 refutes his and GGWO's position on troubles by stating that God will deliver His people from ALL their troubles and that none of them have to be permanent. Doesn't mean instant solutions every time, but solutions that come a lot sooner than GGWO generally believes. Sometimes God does provide instant solutions which John Love's statement leaves no room for. For a stronger marriage, John Love and GGWO should be avoided!!!

As for Lange's remarks, he should be stating that if one wants to avoid out of context Bible verses, then they should leave GGWO altogether!!! But he isn't because this is GGWO, the "ministry", the centerpiece of modern Christianity!!! What a load of crap!!!! GGWO was build on out of context Bible verses, twisted messages invented by men, and big controlling egos!!! As for the poorly timed discussions, one can often find them at a GGWO rap or service!!! GGWO also fails to leave certain things out of communications too, like when they slander people who leave or question them with all those lies!!! What a fine example of hypocrisy GGWO continues to be!!! For a strong marriage, the example set by GGWO and its idiotic insiders is best avoided!!!!

[orangetwopay]

let's not overanalyze things folks. you could pull very similar quotes from every marriage seminar around the world.

[anon_brief]

As Master Thespian played by Jon Lovitz used to say, "It's IRONY!"

[david_munson]

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Irregardless of what comes out of GGWO,marriage is two people becoming one person while maintaining their personal relationship with God on an individual basis in such a way as to compliment each others walk.

Married 29 years.
dave
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[david_munson]

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Guiding fictions=
Any marriage council or doctrines that emminate from the pulpits of GGWO.

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[david_munson]

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Example,
GGWO councils that a person should leave their spouse if they have left GGWO.
This is not Godly council but is division of a family ,which is "guiding fiction."


Dave
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[sidethorn]

One of the many ways that GGWO is the divider!!!

[vincer]

I wouldnt pay 35 bucks a plate to hear those wackos give marital advice. anytime they have crap for the adults to do they leave the children with questionable childcare and divide families. has anyone in ggwo heard of FAMILY NIGHT? it is where the husband stays HOME with the family instead of going to some pitiful college class at ggwo or working for ggwo

[sidethorn]

I wouldn't even give them 35 cents to hear these nutjobs give marital advice or messages on any other topic. Any so called ministry that advises a spouse to dump the other because they left "the ministry" (GGWO) or questioned or voiced concerns about "the ministry" has no business preaching any message about marriage. GGWO obviously does not respect the institution of marriage as God designed it. GGWO insiders are a lot more concerned that you come to three services a week to fill your mind with their "precise doctrine" and that you live under their control. People splitting up doesn't seem to concern them very much. Of course they will try to cause breakups when one spouse esteems GGWO while the other leaves it. GGWO is about control and brainwashing so there goes the Family time. No, they think we're all supposed to live under our GGWO pastor-teacher's preaching at the expense of everything else including time together at home as a family. That what GGWO thinks serving God is. Live under the control of 'delegated authority' under the pastor teacher. They can't control families as well that are at home, so no wonder they won't teach about family time. But they'll teach plenty about coming to EVERY service, attending MBCS, working in the church and SUBMITTING completely to the pastor teacher. They'd rather have you spending long hours working for the church or getting indoctrinated with GGWO psychobabble at MBCS. Anything to keep you where they can watch you and control you!!! Everything else is expendable there.

[orangetwopay]

stevens wheels out to give his perspectives on marriage...

http://liquidwaves.blogspot.com/2006/10/dok-tor-stevenssss-keys-ta-marry-age.html

[cordell]

<font color="0000ff">Irregardless</font>

There is no such word.

[dragged_thru_mud]

Here is the solution:

http://www.wildfacts.com/shoes/graphics/TN435_0193M.jpg

(Buy a pair &amp; run as fast as you can away from GGWO)

[greaterdisgrace]

HMMM pastors giving marriage advice while they are boffin the wife of the couple they are counseling.... yep, here's my 35 bucks.

[cordell]

I would pay the $35 bucks just to sit in the big middle of them and pi$$ them off.

[cordell]

I would pay the $35 bucks just to sit in the big middle of them and pi$$ them off.

[gone_to_pa]

If they would have me, I'd be more than happy to sit front middle just to watch them squirm. What are they asking for $35.00 for?? To put in the next " somebodies done me wrong account" Sorry, I already chipped in on the last one.
INSANITY = doing the exact thing twice and expecting different results. Shalom GTP

[david_munson]

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"Irregardless

There is no such word."
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Someone caught that huh?

What,
you used to proof read?http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/biggrin.gif

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[cordell]

No, worse. I used to teach high school.

[rjfernalld]

**fainting**

[gone_to_pa]

**belching**

[cordell]

**flatulating**

[cordell]

Actually rachelengland is quite the FN celebrity. We should be honored by her presence here on the GGWO site. Here's a little sample of her fare elsewhere:

<font color="0000ff">rachelengland (rachelengland)
Advanced Member
Username: rachelengland

Post Number: 923
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 69.128.222.206
Posted on Thursday, December 15, 2005 - 12:46 pm:

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well I'm concerned your family is being picked upon-am i right about that and you know i hate fighting in the church ol- don't you it really sets a bad example- you need to tell that to old watchman and truth hunter-I'm quite slow in the office today so maybe i can look more-but do you want to give me the short version of the story-you can speak your mind with me- i'm switzerland neutral-i love the right-the left and anyone in between I'll call you dowen the name of my first born son lol.....

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so whoever we are we can of course be confident of rachelengland's love for us--one and all, right and left, up and down, with or without pants in the most English sense of the term, right ol' rachel? (whoever would have thought that marsala would be such a poor substitute for cream sherry anyway?)

[david_munson]

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I bet you ride a Vespa,LOL.

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[vincer]

***HURLING

[arguendo]

Irregardless - should be a word; damn better than "moreover"

[cordell]

IR-regardless is a double negative, rendering it meaningless. Nevertheless--(which is a stupid but legitimate word)--I agree with your assessment of "moreover". Another one which is overused in many 'circles' is "over-arching". (Let's see, what word can I use to show what a smarta$$ I am, and be bloody boring at the same time).

[anon_brief]

over-arching: supersizing a Double Quarter Pounder with Cheese meal

[cordell]

Now that makes the word 'meal' inadequate.

[shat_happens]

The Real Truth about GGWO Marriage Seminar 06

http://liquidwaves.blogspot.com/2006/11/truth-about-this-years-git-tahgether.html#comments

[orangetwopay]

i wonder if carl is using this technique to remain youthful and active in his old age?

http://hometown.aol.com/nishigaki3/

[cordell]

Author receives invitations to speak on 70 US talk shows!

"Next on the Grace Hour we're going to be talking to Hiroyuki Nishigaki who's going to explain how to good-bye depression..."