HAPPY REFORMATION DAY FOLKS and happy halloween too

[orangetwopay]

yes people, today in 1517 our grand old father martin luther hammered his 95 arguments to a large wooden door on wittenburg cathedral. rock on martin!

and today we also celebrate halloween, all saints day, do we not? we do it in many ways: funny costumes, scary movies, going to cheezy "harvest parties" because we're all uppity about witchcraft. yes, my friends, we each join in in our own special ways.

well, today, the LiquidWaves crew is joining in by submitting for your approval the very first official PAHSTAH CAHL H STEVENS "JACK@$$-O-LANTERN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

if this doesn't light your pants nothing will.

http://liquidwaves.blogspot.com/2006/10/happy-halloweenreformation-day_31.html

from all of us at LW!

[cordell]

You guys never cease to amaze me.

[anon_brief]

Actually, All Saints Day (commemoratio omnium fidelium defunctorum) is November 1st.

Halloween is "All Hallows Eve", a particular favourite of those of Celtic origin.

All Souls Day is November 2nd. In Mexico it's called the Day of the Dead or Día de los Muertos.

[sister_mary]

I think GGWO is not the same movement that it was in the 70'ies, when I was a short time there and experienced at Taasjaervi Course Center at Sipoo, Finland the "spiritual baptism", it means being baptised in the "Body".

Then suddenly the true Spirit of Jesus and the scriptures from the Bible revealed me, that this baptism was from a falseangel (demon) and I wanted to get rid of it. I really had same experiences that Stevens had: warm and even sexual "waves" covered me that an invisible spirit caused, and I felt a short time lovely, and experienced even my spirit rising from the body (levitation). I left the movement because I myself heard from the tape Pastor Stevens preache that he has two angels anointing him with "LIQUID WAVES" and that anybody who will get against this Body or his teaching authority will "not survive"! So I left the Helsinki congregation and immediately got high temperature and my lungs were very sore and the principalities rushed upon me and I had to pray for years to get free from the "liquid waves"! I understand that I was involved in Stevens-centered shamanism or cabbalistic influence.

At last the Baptist Church elders at Tampere in midsummer 1995 cast the curse away from me and the spirit that was pressing upon me (I nearly became mentally ill, but never consulted a shrink). At last I got rest in Jesus Christ and today, when I pray, I feel joy in my heart.

One guy made a MA-paper at Joensuu University about my case and I hope that you may understand that I did not hate this sect in any way but told how I got involved into "LIQUID WAVES" and got rid of it! And it hurted me! Also the lie that Stevens was a doctor hurted: how he could lie to his pupils?

I listened and watched yesterday night GGWO:s net-TV sermons and thought that they have now got rid from that doctrine to become "baptised in the Body by liquid waves", so I suggest to all, who have disaffiliated from the movement, to forgive them all and pray for them. I myself have forgiven Thomas Schaller and his wife, forgive the Helsinki part of the body and forgive those who by "blessing me by prayers = cursed me" made me having serious spiritual struggles for years to get on the rock of true grace that is in Jesus Christ.

I do not condemn Bible Speaks movement and wish GGWO all the best: keep what is good, evangelize the world for Christ, repent and start your days in true fellowship in Jesus! He is Love, the Way, Truth and Life. Let us hang on Him. I love you all. No one of us will survive in this flesh, but praise God we will be transformed into the image of Jesus Christ and His likeness.

I must say that more serious problems are happening now in a Swedish sect (Pentecostal origin) called Knutby Congregation. Please pray for them. Their God-image needs quick remedy:

http://www.rickross.com/groups/brideof_christ.html

[sister_mary]

I really had at the seventies and the beginning of 80'ies same experiences that Stevens had: warm and even sexual "waves" covered me that an invisible spirit caused, and I felt a short time lovely, and experienced even my spirit rising from the body (levitation). I left the movement because I myself heard from the tape Pastor Stevens preache that he has two angels anointing him with "LIQUID WAVES" and that anybody who will get against this Body or his teaching authority will "not survive"! So I left the local congregation and immediately got high temperature and my lungs were very sore and the principalities rushed upon me and I had to pray for years to get free from the "liquid waves"! I understand that I was involved in Stevens-centered shamanism or cabbalistic influence.

At last the Baptist Church elders at one town at midsummer 1995 cast the curse away from me and the spirit that was pressing upon me (I nearly became mentally ill, but never consulted a shrink). At last I got rest in Jesus Christ and today, when I pray, I feel joy in my heart.

I listened and watched yesterday night GGWO:s net-TV sermons and thought that they have now got rid from that doctrine to become "baptised in the Body by liquid waves", so I suggest to all, who have disaffiliated from the movement, to forgive them all and pray for them.

I do not condemn Bible Speaks movement and wish GGWO all the best: keep what is good, evangelize the world for Christ, repent and start your days in true fellowship in Jesus! He is Love, the Way, Truth and Life. Let us hang on Him. I love you all. No one of us will survive in this flesh, but praise God we will be transformed into the image of Jesus Christ and His likeness.

I must say that more serious problems are happening now in a Swedish sect (Pentecostal origin) called Knutby Congregation. Please pray for them. Their God-image needs quick remedy:

http://www.rickross.com/groups/brideof_christ.html

[sister_mary]

I see that my message has come three times, well, you see, that I am serious with this. It is not nice to be demon-possessed by "LIQUID WAVES". Maybe in many other cults people experience same feelings in trance, I have read about these experiences happen widely in various religions and sects and the experiences lead astray: it looks good, it feels good, it speaks Bible-language and godly words but after you testi it, it become poison!

Poor Åsa, maybe she if the Bride of LIQUID WAVES! Thank God the demon of LIQUID WAVES is now interested in Her!

[sister_mary]

I think the spirit of LIQUID WAVES will love Åsa, she has nice dark hair and looks fabulous. Maybe the spirit of LIQUID WAVES is bored in Stevens and has left him as a empty shell, sick and having pain. Maybe this teaches him to start get rid of LIQUID WAVES!

lOOK the picture about the formation of the sect in Knutby:

http://knutby.webspace4free.biz/

[sister_mary]

http://paranormal.about.com/library/bl_exorcism_video.htm

tells about Russian exorcism. When the Baptist pastors prayed for me, nothing else happened to me but the next night I saw myself as a tiny boat floating on the calm ocean and the weather was clear. I think these pastors in Tampere (they had also visiting pastors from Russian Baptist Union) really knew how to break the chain of the evil spirit of LIQUID WAVES. I became mentally and spiritually healed from this awsome feeling and sight where I saw day and night a statue of FIRE going around me and attacking me with LIQUID WAVES and sometimes severely disturbing me. Now that has ceased but I have moved into a flat where is a GHOST who wants to sleep in my bed from midnight to 4 in the morning, so I wake up every night and put my matress into the living room and sleep on the floor and then I hear from my bed strange noise, when the GHOST turns while it changes movement. But it does not disturb me in any other way...

HAPPY HALLOWEEN! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/proud.gif

[sister_mary]

I must tell you something: I was drinking my coffee and reading my story and a BLACKBIRD (a crow) flew in front of my window and gazed me all the time I was reading and then it flew away and said: "GRAAH GGRAAH!"

Remember: a crow is a very intelligent bird. Even Noah sent out from the ark a crow, tells the Bible.

Thanks for reading my childish folklore. It has been wonderful to share time with you. Don¨t take everything seriously. Start to live, JESUS is LOVE and I WANT TO BE BAPTISED again in the true HOLY SPIRIT and get drunk from HIM.

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

[orangetwopay]

somebody's been listening to queensryche one too many times...

and no, there is no crow in the biblical flood narrative. you are thinking of the epic of gilgamesh deluge story (a dove, a sparrow, and a crow were released in that story).

either way, sounds like we have something like this going on: http://liquidwaves.blogspot.com/2004/10/there-have-been-reports-of-twopay.html

[cordell]

From Genesis 8:

<font color="0000ff">After forty days Noah opened the window he had made in the ark 7 and sent out a raven, and it kept flying back and forth until the water had dried up from the earth. 8 Then he sent out a dove to see if the water had receded from the surface of the ground.</font>

The Cornell Lab of Ornithology says:

<font color="0000ff">The largest of the songbirds, the Common Raven is one of the most widespread species in the world, found across North America and Eurasia, southward into Central America and northern Africa. <u>Perhaps the smartest of all birds</u>, the raven can survive in Arctic, temperate, and desert environments.

Description
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<u>Very large crow</u>.
All glossy black.</font>

OK.

At the Tower of London (http://www.historic-uk.com/DestinationsUK/TowerRavens.htm):

<font color="0000ff">The ravens consume 6oz. of raw meat and bird formula biscuits <u>soaked in blood</u> each day. They are very partial to an egg each once a week plus the occasional rabbit which is given to them whole as the fur is good for them! They also enjoy scraps from the mess kitchen at the Tower - they particularly like fried bread!</font>

[whatsup]

sister mary, I don't know what stuff you're on, but it seems to be pretty potent...way more than whatever the other nuts on here take....maybe because you're in Finland...that pesty FDA doesn't let a lot of the good stuff over here

[sister_mary]

Thanks whatsup and cordell for your response. Finland is not a pesty country but a very lovely country and looks much like Canada at winter and summer. I was a radiant virgin when I first got involved with Bible Speaks in the late seventies and after half year my friends said that I was "like a broken candle" after leaving Thomas Schallers team. After that I have studied at the university and graduated. Yes the crow is mentioned in the story about Utnapishtims flood-story and that is far more older story than the story in the Bible. The scholars say the Bible is formed around 300 after Christ by Roman Catholic syndicate and before that the Bible was only oral tradition. And Jewish oral tradition. We believe in Jewish tradition, even Jesus did not question it. Many books were left out from the Bible, for example the Gospels of Mary Magdalene,

http://reluctant-messenger.com/gospel-magdalene.htm ,

Judas Iskariot

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/lostgospel/_pdf/GospelofJudas.pdf

and the Gospel of Thomas. Well, the latter may interest one particular Thomas too...

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/thomas.html

also interesting thoughts are written in the book of Enoch that tells that God had "200 sons" that were mightyful angels and they fell in love with human women and wanted to get children with them and it succeeded, even Goliath was one of their descendants. Well we must ask, how the descendants of fallen angels in human body survived over the giant flood, if God destroyed them and the human race except Noah and his family? Maybe some of Noahs sons wives were not so faithful to their husbands and someone was pregnant to an angel... that it how Goliaths story is reasonable. Why it is so important, that a seed of a human angel has remained on the earth? Because Antichrist cannot be from the origin of man, but from the origin of Satan, just as Jesus was from the origin of God. I believe today Antichrist is somewhere alive as a descendant of a fallen angel and even Roman Catholic efforts to destroy witchcraft and the descendants of fallen angels did not succeed in the Middle Ages and later.



http://reluctant-messenger.com/1enoch01-60.htm

The bird I saw yesterday at my window looked like this, so I am not sure was it a crow or a raven. Ravens the European Union has put into the protection list:

http://www.cartinafinland.fi/kuvapankki/browse.php?a=search&amp;word=kaarne#

Well, last night I had to move again on the floor about 3 in the morning...

This morning I thought that I have the authority to use my bedroom and drove the evil spirit away, before me I don't know who lived in this flat but there is a coin from East-Europe on the self of the kitchen. It is typical that an occultist leaves some items to leave a disturbing spirit in the previous flat...

I lighted three candles in my room and felt ok. I think I am very glad that it did not turn totally mad after I was involved with LIQUID WAVES. You see, phsycedelic experiences, if they are caused by drugs of religion, never are wiped out from your memory, they stay lifetime. I am now studying Neuro Linguistig Programmin (NLP) to get rid of the memories of Bible Speaks and LIQUID WAVES.

God bless you all!

[sister_mary]

Find a new strategy to get rid from ugly memories :

http://www.nlpinfo.com/

[sister_mary]

Here are wonderful pests from Finland: Hallelujah! The Real Rock is Hard!

http://www.lordi.fi/main.site?action=app/gallery/random&amp;dir_id=7

PS. These singers are not Satan-worshippers, they are only entertainers and bring forth our lowest fears about evil and how to deal with it! I recommend NLP to all, who see something devilish in CHS...

[orangetwopay]

LOL this is rich hahahhahahaha

[sister_mary]

I think I have changed my idol from CHC to Mr. Lordi. I love him, I worship him, I idolize him, I turn on when I see him and I feel free, because He has helped me get rid from my demon and devil fears for ever!!!

http://www.monsterdiscohell.com/multimedia/promo/lordi_01.jpg

and His female singer: SHE'S A QUEEN!

http://www.monsterdiscohell.com/multimedia/promo/awa_05.jpg

[orangetwopay]

i think lordi made paster haggard to it!

http://liquidwaves.blogspot.com/2006/11/lordi-provides-meth.html

[sister_mary]

Orangetwopay, I think there is no taste in your picture you recommend in post number 528, I believe you have not the permission to make those kind of pictures at all from Stevens or Lordi, please quit doing so and remove the nasty pictures about them, it just shows that you need NLP or a brainwash out of your bitterness! Why can't you forgive, because even I have forgiven Stevens and his lambs? What does it help you?

Paul, an apostle,teaches in Gal. 1: 1- "(not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)
2. And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:
3. Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
4. Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
5. To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
6. I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7. Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed."

Please help yourself by starting thinking new prosperous and pure things.

Even GGWO confess in their sermon, that we all are sinners: look the sermon "We all have sinned"
http://www.ggwo.org/tv/

We are out from the Body of Stevens but not out of Christ and his true Body. So start to seek more beautiful things insteading spreading bitterness, please!!!

What about Lordis poem Hard Rock Hallelujah? What is its message to you?

http://www.monsterdiscohell.com/tekstit/sanat/lordi%20-%20the%20arockalypse%20-%2007%20-%20hard%20rock%20hallelujah.txt





Mr. Lordi was married this year with his wife in Lutherian church, so he is not interested in Stevens stuff of LIQUID WAVES but HARD ROCK WAVES or VIVID SOUND WAVES here is his poem Hard Rock Hallelujah

[whatsup]

On second thought, "sister mary" is most likely not burnt out on drugs, and most likely not even a woman......just some guy having his fun on here

[cordell]

Sister Mary, did you go to South Berwick USA in the 70s? Does your real first name begin with the letter "I"? Did you know Jukka Borg?

[sister_mary]

I do not remember Jukka, but he is still preaching in Helsinki congregation :
http://www.raamattupuhuu.fi/fi/saarnat/

here is a picture of Jukka playing the guitar:

http://www.raamattupuhuu.fi/fi/arkisto/jutut.php?id=3&amp;title=Miehet%20rentoutuivat%20miest en%20seminaarissa

Well, I must tell something about myself. I am a woman, just ordinary and have one adult son now. When I went to the university I nearly lost my faith but the Lord renewed me and started a prcess of healing my soul and I had to understand that if I want to be cured, I must forgive to all who have hurted me someway and stop being bitter. Now I think I have learned my lesson, still I am having a creative mind and also a traumatic childhood. So maybe my hopes from Bible Speaks and CHS were overestimated in the seventies, and that is why I nearly got myself in pshycological chaos.

But today, when I think what happened to Pastor Carl Stevens in the woods, where he saw two angels anointing him, that it was not a real happening but his deepest soulish desire which materialized and his imagination formed the angels having form around him. And the feeling of LIQUID WAVES were just hormonical stress of a young man in moisture and shadowy woods where the sun shone on hime through the trees and he felt on his skin the wonderful touch of the radiant sun and imagined the angels anointing him. And the suggestion became deeper and deeper and in this suggestion his imagination hallusinated the voice of God promising to get always messages from the throne. So CHS came out of the woods enlightened by his very own illusion and started to transfer this illusion to others and really succeeded well, even I felt the illusion and got deceived and in deep suggestion I felt the LIQUID WAVES from the forest. Many people have experienced same kind in forests. A forest is a hiding place, a prayer place, a place of peace, where only animals live and urban human experience forest a little fearful, beautiful and even dangerous. In the forest can also evil spirits hide as folklore tells. So the folklore of Stevens illusion in the forest grabbed and trapped us all. So the psychology explains this phenomenon. Thats all. We are still special and wonderful though we get astray. I believe that God loves even CHS and wants to get things right with him and all that have gone astray with this illusion. God loves even Lordi-singer. He is human and has strong illusions of evil and demonstrates his illusion through songs and masks and costumes. Pray for them that they find the truth.

I am working as a part-time teacher with teenagers. They listen heavy music, wear hip hop clothes or heavy metal shirts and black chains. They color their hair mostly with black. They wear Kalevala jewelery or gothic chains. I am not afraid of them. I love them. Last week they asked me to sing a christian song to them. They listened carefully. One girl went outside the door and cried behind the door. Next day they were HARD ROCK spinning again! Well, I let them think freely. I know, if Jesus is in my, his love will call them one day to salvation and they will throw away their heavy metal shirts, black hip hop hats and satanic symbols. And they start to go to church in youth meetings and find joy in Christ's radiant presence. I have a dream. I know it will become one day true. That dream is to drive in heaven a white Cadillac..., because I have never driven such car before...

[cordell]

Yeah, but is your name Irma? Were you in the US in the 70s?

[sister_mary]

I am just Sister, because it is safer so...

You see...my situation may be like this:
http://www.zewebanim.com/images/Looneytunes/coyote-wallpaper.jpg

[cordell]

OK, I certainly respect your privacy, and am an advocate of it.

I was in SB in the 70s when the first Finns arrived. I thought one of them might have been you. This lady was raised on a farm, and I thought the name of the town was Tampere. I know Jorma Immonen, Risto and Liisa Kraama and many others from Finland who hit the states in the 70s.

[louise_connolly]

How about the thought that Carl Stevens made up his liquid waves of love story to use as part of his spiel to reel in zealous young people under the guise of serving Jesus in an evangelical church? It is not a matter of forgiving or not forgiving GGWO. It is a matter of exposing a bunch of phonies as the mind control cult they are now and have always been since the day Carl got bagged shagging the deacon's wife and had to move to South Berwick.

[iris]

It's full moon in Finland now.

[orangetwopay]

some fool kids came and threw down my carl <font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font>-oh-lantern!!! look here to see the evidence!

http://liquidwaves.blogspot.com/2006/11/carls-pumpkin-smashed.html

perhaps it's an omen?

[cordell]

Carl, not being creative enough to 'make up' anything, plagiarized the entire thing from Charles Grandison Finney's account of over a century before. Carl was always the great plagiarist including every aspect of his sermon delivery which he plagiarized from Bob Jones Sr., Oliver B. Green, Jack Hyles and Robert Thieme. He used to mock them and copy them. That is why he so enjoyed and encouraged Chet Farmer's talented antics in mimicry. Only with Carl he took credit for it all. He even copied his scripture memorization techniques from Jack Van Impe--only too bad Carl couldn't play the accordian. And if you check Carl's scripture citations during his sermons--many of them have absolutely bugger-all to do with whatever it is he's trying to convince you.

[johncollins]

I found a quote online the other day. Guess who it's attributed to?

The Lord showed me that He would put people together here, in New England, in a most unique and unusual evangelistic method that would be used to reach thousands. We have seen this come to pass in 'Telephone Time.'"

[sidethorn]

Or could it be a most unique and unusual con game of a "man" to reach thousands and manipulate them out of their time, money and abitity to think for themselves??? Could it be that this "man" would plagiarize enough truths of others and mix in his own false teachings and twists on things to lead those people astray to serve himself in the name of serving God????

[sister_mary]

Does the LIQUID WAVES sound like these samples?
http://freesound.iua.upf.edu/packsViewSingle.php?id=8

[littlesister]

Scarry thing, is I remember when he said that not only about Telephone Time, but the move to South Berwick. Course he said it more than once.

[sister_mary]

I am sorry to note, that CHS experience of liquid waves is a pure plagiation.

See "Liquid Fire Within Me":

Language, Self and Society in Transcendentalism and early Evangelicalism, 1820-1860

--------------------------------------------


By Ian Frederick Finseth

M.A. Thesis in English, University of Virginia, August 1995.
http://xroads.virginia.edu/~MA95/finseth/thesis.html

What about this??? Chapter "The Experience of Conversion" on note 45 is a mention about liquid waves...
http://xroads.virginia.edu/~MA95/finseth/convert.html

[cordell]

Sister Mary, sweetheart, you need to search FN a little more diligently. And other sites concerning GGWO:
See the end of part 3 here. (http://www.carlstevens.org/subpage15.html)

[johncollins]

That Telephone Time quote I posted on this thread yesterday? I can so easily hear CHS saying those exact words. Probably DID hear him say those exact words back in the day.

I posted that in the context of Cordell's post about "borrowed" experiences. That excerpt was actually from a quote attributed to Clinton White (http://www.telusplanet.net/thegoodnews/worldchurch.htm) -- the original Telephone Time owner / host!

(I'm not commenting on the rest of that web page; just search for Clinton White on that page to read the whole quote.)

[sister_mary]

Thanks Cordell and others, I think you guys cleared me now. This was a long way to truth. But the Bible says that the truth sets us free. I see you have a valuable job in FACTNet counselling people, who have leaved Bible Speaks or GGWO to find solid ground under their feet. Thank you again. God be with you untill we meet with Him that we love!