Time to sue

[chris (chris)]

Neil:

It's so good to hear from you again on Factnet. You and Keri, of all people, deserve restitution. We think of you often and our prayers are with you during this time.

Chris and Jack

[ncarrick (ncarrick)]

Thanks Chris & Jack.

Just this week my wife has been told that based upon the ideas of GGWO Christianity my wife is abandoning her children by going with me on a mission trip to Romania. That because I do not sit under "one Pastor Teacher" I am unqualified to make such a trip.

I asked the question does it ever end. No it won't ever. Money will not fix this. But it will help some of the bills that we are going to have to live with for the rest of our lives because of the damage done.

[maria_t (maria_t)]

Dear Neil
I am so sorry to read your Letter of Intent to Sue the GGWO church. I am sorry that yours and Keri's experiences there were utterly horrible and herendous. The damages done to your marriage, your family, your personal relationships with people, your children are damages that should have never happened to both of you.

I will keep you in my prayers also. You are right, money will not "fix" this either. Only the Lord can "fix" these things.

Maria

[ncarrick (ncarrick)]

Maria,

Thank you. I agree that money will not fix this but I think what is best for my family is for us to be able to have the things we would have had if the church would not have become so involved in trying to break us apart.

I lost a job with a good ministry organization, and a lost for all practical purposes 2 years for Keri and I.

If the church was serious about reconcilation repentance S Monroe would have called me and apologized.

Tom Schaller who has a daughter married to my wifes brother could return my phone calls over the last 3 months.

When my inlaws have contact with my family they would not say such mean things about my wife and defend it with the ideas of Carl Stevens.

I have returned back to ministry as something of an administrator knowing that because if what took place at GGWO I may never be able to go back into the pulpit full time. It is almost like a cop being put at a desk job because he defended himself against a serial murderer.

The Lord has been gracious to us. I see years of counseling and going to my grave with regrets about trusting some people to stand up and be my friend like they claim to be.

How strange it is to see those who once sat on staff and agreed with the efforts to hurt my family wish that they could take it all back now.

Bit of warning to those who attack those who may have been hurt for a life time. Just because you are hurt in all this, maybe even suffered from dperession, or been scared does not mean that you are not capable of dong great things in ministry. Many great leaders in Christinity suffered much more than some of us, and did much more than those who claim we are not some how worthy of the task at hand.

This cause is to lift up the name of Christ, so that all might believe. Not of our own might but by his.

In His Peace,

Neil

[ncarrick (ncarrick)]

Hey our mutual friend could settle this with a much smaller check, and a public act of repentance on behalf of the church.

I feel for my inlaws. They seem to be confusing the well being of their connection to GGWO (which isn't even real) and there love of the daughter.

How could a father mother suggest that a mother is abandoning her children because she goes on a mission trip to help some of the poorest of the poor in an orphanage, a few schools and some churches?

I think it makes no sense.

You can have a check Maria if I get a penny.

Hey it saddens me that our friend could be the force to make a real change byt taking of his gloves and starting this in motion instead of being the lip service of the unknowns or the impossible(s).

How long ago this all start?

Funny the person who was accused of having an affair with me by staff members is sitting in our living room talking to Keri.When she needed help from the church she got none. It has hurt her relationship with Christianity. But she didn't let the pain overwhelm her. She picked up and moved back home, like so many other people I know.

God is not mocked.

Neil

[boss_martian (boss_martian)]

Good luck to you and your family Neil. No, the money won't fix the hurt inflicted on you, but you know what? Especially if successful, it WILL strike a blow against these evil bastards. Because this is the ONLY way they will listen. You (the victim) has to resort to sueing for them to even begin to listen. I hope this suit is the first of many.

[yogi (yogi)]

Neil,

Thank you for having the courage to go "on record"! Perhaps this will be a tool to bring about necessary reforms. PLEASE try not to settle out of court if possible...this ALL needs to go on record!

La Paz Creadora, [Peace to You]

Yogi

[rjfernalld (rjfernalld)]

I will keep this in my prayers Neil. Bless you.

[ncarrick (ncarrick)]

Yogi & Others,

Thanks for your kind words.

I would love for this to stay public. I will post the name of my counsel on line with their phone number and address.

Neil

[heather (heather)]

ncarrick way to go!!!! I am from newark and filed a very similar suit today!! some of the wording is almost identical. I will keep you in prayer. Know that God is in this. Unlike you I dont have a lawyer mainly because there is no way I could afford one. Not only was I not paid, GG left me with almost $4000.00 in medical bills. I have hope that God is going to be my counsel through this. much love to you and your family and may you be blessed above and beyond this Christmas.
badnblond01@aol.com

[isabella (isabella)]

You go Neil! Now you're talking!
I am so glad you have come out from under the cloud. We will be watching. I prayed for you way back then, when you were talking about 'reconciliation'. I knew that you were easy-prey for them and as always, they went in for the kill. Keep on going, Neil, but don't spend your life on this CULT. Thank God you have your wife and children. If it were up to them, they would have destroyed you and your loved ones. Hire your lawyer, give him your depositions and let him do the rest. Enjoy your family and the things God has given you. Use your tallents and have peace.
Love, Isabella

[jeannie (jeannie)]

Neil,

As I stated privately, I love you to pieces;you and your family deserve restitution. Thankfully God restored your family IN SPITE OF GG, as He did mine also. My prayers go out to all the families that did not survive intact after their involvement in GG.

[ncarrick (ncarrick)]

Thanks again folks. I agree with many of you.

I will be glad to ask my lawyer to help others.

I wish no harm to GGWO but they need to consider others,especially if they believe the book they will do right by us who were hurt.

neil

[bob_brinton (bob_brinton)]

Hi Neil; It's good to see you back here. This line of approach was pretty effective in making GG move from Lenox. They lost a lot of people then, and more in the wake of it. Stevens is less influential now; and just moving somewhere else and starting over again might not be so easy. There could be a flood of suits; which might be even more effective than one big collective one. They'll have to start teaching law in their school. What's that? They already are?

[minutus (minutus)]

Neil,

I don't know much at all about what happened with you and your family and probably most of the other newbies here don't as well. Could you give us a synopsis?

Thanks,

Dave Carson

[ncarrick (ncarrick)]

Dave that would be a book.

But I will try to put it all together and post it later today.

One of the major things was during a seperation with my wife a former friend, in fact the Pastor who sat beside me for 1 year at GGWO while I was on staff encouraged my wife to divorce me and went so far to encourage her to do things that would do emotional harm to me like keep me from my children. He told it would be best to follow through and make sure I didn't see my children for at least a year or myabe three years.

a couple of years before that I was accused by Pastor Baker, Daniel lewis and others of having an affair with an employee. They later found out that she was in fact involved with a GGCA school teacher.

More later,

Neil

[lee (lee)]

Neil, welcome back bro! I hope and pray that this decison you and Keri have made will help you and others to finally put an end to this miserable experience. Godspeed!

I could always understand why you wanted to put this behind you.....sometimes, as I've learned, that God simply doesn't want us to put it behind.......at least not yet.

[dr_r (dr_r)]

Neil,

I applaud your initiative in filing this claim against GGWO! I believe, as I have stated many times, that Something had to be done! I am so sorry, and my heart goes out to you and your family, for the pain you have suffered over the years. I know that, with God's guidance, you will be vindicated!
I too have suffered at the hands of some unscrupuluos church people in times past, and God HAS ALWAYS come to my rescue and vindicated me!
I will keep you in prayer and hope that this is resolved for God's Glory!
Thanks for posting and God Bless!
Dr R

[isabella (isabella)]

I think Dr. R, sounds a lot like Scott Robinson, but then, every troll sounds like him. He's such a scoundral!

Who ate his heart!?

[yogi (yogi)]

Carl Stevens did "with fava beans!"

Yogi

[yogi (yogi)]

Ps. Think Carl would like "silence" a few former "lambs" found here on FACTNet, eh!

Yogi again

[ncarrick (ncarrick)]

Hey I was thinking that Pastor Marr was going to call me but he never did.

Must be really busy. It was really funny Maria or somebody said something about how to much to ask for. A friend of mine whois a lawyer said that based upon the pain and suffering and the established actions of the staff i should ask for 1 million and work my way up for the amount of time I have had to deal with this.

A few months ago I was in an incredible depression about what my wifes family had done to both Keri and Myself.

Scott Robinson was the person who was the last talked to while I was suicidal. I believe he is sincere but I think he knows that much of this is a result of what was done to by people at his church.

If I was a Pastor of a church and found out that one of my staff people had gone after somebody the way people went after our marriage I do just about anything to make right this wrong.

If I ever get so depressed that I off myself I want the people who have seen this from a distance and even close at hand remember that people actually were encouraging my wife to do things that they thought would possibly lead to my suicide.

I am glad to be out of Baltimore but I think the feelings I live with are not going away. they are not wounds, they are scars.

I won't forget walking throught chapel and a person who I thought was a good friend making a motion like a person shooting a gun in there head and then laughing at me.

When my wife and I moved down here after all this we came here with a beat up old car a Pastor of another church had given me, and $400. We lived in hotels and the day before we left my inlaws tried to get us to stay in Baltimore with the use of Pastor Stevens.

We got called before him before a service. he said "I have no witness for you going to Carolina" I explained I had a job, and family and friends that were at least willing to try and help me. I found it interesting that I was standing in a room with all these Pastors, all these people who had money supporting the ministry and not a person offered to help Keri and I. Keri and I gave sacrificially to GGWO while I was staff. the first year we were married I made 10K. The second 20k. I usually worked 60-80 hours a week.

Maybe Beth Schaller, Pastor Schaller, and Sheldon Monroe was right. Maybe I would have been better off killing myself 4 years ago. But somehow I had faith that God was get me out of the nightmare.

I am somewhat out of it. But to say that I have recovered is a joke. I can be honest with myself.I know my limitations now.

I admit I often wake up with echoes in my head of listening to Pastor Monroe telling me that I need to loose my family. I hear people on staff laughing as I walk down the halls after I come to get my stuff that my wife left at the church.

I see security gaurds threatning me because I want to see my children after 3 months. I want to hold my daughter who I have never seen, not held.

More some other day.

[rjfernalld (rjfernalld)]

"Maybe Beth Schaller, Pastor Schaller, and Sheldon Monroe was right. Maybe I would have been better off killing myself 4 years ago."

They told you that you'd be better off killing yourself????????????????

OMG That's terrible.

[ncarrick (ncarrick)]

After I become realy depressed my roomate called beths house where my wife and kids was at. Beth was screaming at my roomate with my wife in her living and my children present saying.

"Let the Son of a Bith ****ing killing himself" He is an imature little MF and he be better of dead" "Tell him to ****ing do it"

My roomate tried to get Pastor Schaller to come to find me. He said he was to busy that night after service to talk to me.

S. Monroe went looking for me. He later told people it might have been better if I had died that night. especially for the ministry and for my wife.

I was laying in a hotel where I managed to hide myself after taking about 100 pills and drinking a lot.

I put myself into a hospital the next day shaking really badly.My roomate taking me and frankly it makes no sense the lines of BS I got from Pastors at GGWo over the next 10 days while I was at the hospital.

My wife had told me if I went to the hsopital she would come see me. Sheldon Monroe, My father in law and others from the church lied to Keri and told her I left the hospital. I was there for 10 days. As I said on earlier occasions the doctors from the hospital called Pastors on staff and spoke to them while I was there. This is a matter of medical records of who and when the spoke to people. More so what those people said to them. None were very interested in what happened to me, except maybe Scott Robinson who had been ordered to stay out of this affair.

They lied to keri up till the day I was put into jail pretty mcuh from the lies of Beth Schaller and Gary Odahara and two staff members.

They did pretty much everything they could to get me to off myself.

After I was out of jail one of security gaurds took me outside and told me I would indeed be better off dead than leave the ministry.

[rjfernalld (rjfernalld)]

Neil. I am so sorry they did this to you...I had no idea it had been like this for you. You will be in my prayers.

Roberta

[ncarrick (ncarrick)]

I am a little shocked the whole world didn't know.

Staff people did some interesting things during this period.Inlcuding telling the majority of the church about my depression and making fun of my suicide attempt.

Neil

[gostly (gostly)]

I think Hell is waiting for everyone involved, I can not believe what they have done to you. Repentence for this action is unlikely because they believe they have done nothing wrong. I still can not understand how they justify their actions. They give inuendo and try to influence people to do crazy stuff. What is wrong with those people? Pray and ask God to remove these Satanists from your path. You can find joy and Love again. You can find peace and solace in the Holy Spirit. Death is never the answer and can create a legacy for your children that is unhealthy. Life is worth living and dont give those horrible people the satisfaction of what they want. ncarrick, I will add you to my daily prayers to the One who can give peace. God Loves you be strong.

[gostly (gostly)]

P.S. take them to the cleaners, they need real reality in their life not the GG reality!

[lee (lee)]

As some of us have experienced first hand, and as Roberta has posted on the sexual abuse thread, abusers never admit to abusing. They believe they are innocent. They gather around themselves, people who will 'help' them. They will deny deny deny......Neil, I think the only way to go is to do what you are doing now. Abusers need to hear clearly and explicitly to STOP.
We're standing with you Neil.

[rjfernalld (rjfernalld)]

I agree with Lee, Neil...we are with you on this.

[isabella (isabella)]

Neil,
You know what happened..don't back down..
As told to you before, give your deposition, tell your lawyer what has happened and let the legal system take its toll. Do not get caught up in the ways of this CULT! Relax and give it up and enjoy your family; your wife and especially your children. Don't become bitter or unloving... you can stil be 'who you are', without giving them (Stevens, Robinson, Lewis..etc.) an inch. DON'T GIVE THEM AN INCH, NEIL, just relax and watch the results. Love always wins. ALWAYS WINS...
Love, Isabella

[ncarrick (ncarrick)]

I hope you guys are right. When I get depressed the first major blow in mind is my self worth.

The first thought that comes to my mind is how I lead to believe I am not worthy of love.

It is sad that I have evolved this way that somehow I understood how much is worth and respect and now I cannnot sometimes control my urge to die and the people who I lifted up would have love to see me die.

[maria_t (maria_t)]

Neil I had no idea as to how much you have really suffered at the hands of the leadership at GGWO. Butting into your personal affairs, staff pastors counseling your wife to leave you...they are "agents" of the church Neil. Just like Pastor Paul was sued by Alan Lang, you have the right to file a suit also. The damages you incurred are just as bad or worse as to what Alan went through.

I am glad you didn't take their advice and kill yourself. Too bad you weren't able to tape record someone saying that to you, even though it probably wouldn't be admissable in court because it would have been done without the person's permission...

I wouldn't give any of those MF'ers that want to see you die the satisfaction of having it happen.
You hang onto the Lord with all your might Neil. He won't let you down. He will recompense. They will pay. God is a Righteous God, they are headed for deep trouble.

Boy do the elders have a lot of messes to clean up. That is, if the "changes" they say coming down the road are sincere. I guess we will have to wait to see that one happen.

You aren't the first person that GGWO needs to publically apologize to. Everyone here posting including me deserves a public apology from the pulpit. I'll be getting mine with $$$ also. Dan Lewis was an "agent" of the church when he maligned my character and destroyed my reputation amongst those in the body. I am praying about getting a lawyer, which I am sure is going to shock some reading this, but I am going to take some kind of legal action as God leads. I'm not just posting a bag of hot air either. Its going to take time which I have plenty of. Its also going to cause some GGWO current members some great discomfort, because a few told me that even though they were privy to that kind of thing being said about me and my roommate, they won't testify. Well they will when my attorney sends them a subpoena. They won't have a choice. Just like I had no choice but to suffer as a victim at the hands of that corrupt leadership.

Scott Robinson won't be able to lie his way out of this one. He's 2nd on the list next to Danny boy.

Maria

[maria_t (maria_t)]

My only regret is that I can't have Michael Marr represent me. At least not as long as he is still at GGWO. He's a barracuda of an attorney. For those who have asked me what my intentions are regarding him since the Elder's Declaration, I have no reason to discontinue having him as my attorney for my car accident case. I highly esteem his legal capabilities and I know he will do right by me before the Lord.

My apologies too, Pastor Marr, that my intent to file a lawsuit against the ministry was something that has transpired rather recently, and as a personal friend I didn't share that with you. I am sorry you have to read it firsthand on Factnet.

I have been praying about this for over two months, and recently I was "counselled" in regards to "taking" action. I haven't been one to ever take man's counsel to heart. It is the counsel of the Holy Spirit that I want to have.

It isn't the money that is the issue with me. Money is money, we all could use extra bucks. What fool would deny that!! It is the permanent, unchangable FILTHY DISGUSTING way people view Nancy and I and have viewed us over the last 8 years.

Mental Mind screwing by very skilled manipulators. They are not INNOCENT in any way.
They knew exactly what they were doing,
one person's motive behind it stemmed out of jealous and insecurity. The other one (leadership) took it further than that, and it was a very vulgar and deliberately spoken
character assassination of both mine and Nancy's. That much the Holy Spirit did show me.
They knew exactly what they were saying when they said it and to whom it was spoken to.

They got their laughs, jollies, kicks out of it or whatever you want to call it....at Nancy and my expense. Its not a reputation that is easily forgotten or erased in people's minds. Remember the former posts about how the staff always mocked me/us behind the scenes?

Its post time folks. The race starts at 1:30 p.m.

This is God's revenge. Not mine personally.

So Neil, never give up!!! God is your defense.

Maria


(Message edited by Maria_t on December 21, 2004)

[isabella (isabella)]

Maria, Didn't JF (Jim Fawcette) say he could suggest a lawyer? Why not ask him? If enough people hit these guys with lawsuits, they won't have time to indoctrinate the many who come to them. You go girl, and, even though you may not get any $$, at least you can slow them down from doing these same things to someone else. If you cannot get a referral, call a lawyer out of the yellow pages. Tell them to read the posts on here or on www.carlstevens.org (http://www.carlstevens.org), they may see a few $$ signs for themselves, or maybe a little PR. Don't forget there are many watching..Baltimore Sun, Pheonix, Boston Globe..etc. A lawyer loves to get some publicity for his/her cause. It's worth a lot. Hope you are feeling well enough to carry on.
Isabella

[willnotstanddown (willnotstanddown)]

Neil, Don't let anyone mock how you feel. There are many of us with he same feelings. This is the letter I wrote when I left my teaching Job at GG as well as the church. I just wanted to go quietly. The funny thing is..My Pastor, My shepherd never even called me after receiving this letter. He was too busy maligning me in case I was going to tell what I knew. I think there is something very wrong when people leave a church a sanctuary feeling like this. I know in Newark De there were many of us. The Pastor I wrote this too I truly loved and respected and I thought he knew my heart, but when they started to slander me I guess he forgot all about this letter and gave into their maligning. 5 months latter they still harass me, but one thing changed..I am so far from the person who wrote that letter. God pulled me out of it and made me stronger than ever. I was able to file a suit against them last week that the State took a step further and filed on both the state and federal level. A report was also filed with the IRS on the same day that will include Baltimore for various reasons. I have contacted child protective agencies and the Attorney generals office in the consumer protection dept ( the building fund) and the dept of education due students having to make up grades due to non accrediting and falsifying records and transcripts. Im going to leave my name off of this post for obvious reasons but it wont be hard to figure out i've posted here before. This is just the begining. God just keeps opening doors for us.



Dear Pastor****
This is probably the hardest letter I will ever write. You have done so much for me and for my family. You gave me a chance when I know most people wouldn’t have. Last night when you and Diane came to my house I had mixed feelings. You both mean so much to me and I would never ever want to do anything to fail you, but at the same time I knew I couldn’t be what you needed me to be. I got up this morning, again on my face to God begging him to make it better; asking him how could something I love so much make me feel like this. I thought if I could just get myself to the meeting it would all come back to me like it always did. Well, you started to talk about your friend and his suicide and I wondered how many people in that room would guess how many times a day I was thinking about it too. As we talked about details I became overwhelmed with them. It was all I could do to sit there until the meeting let out. I just came home and locked myself in the house where I entertained the same thoughts. Now I had let *** down, you down, the kids down, my own kids down. Its all just too much for me. I don’t really know what will become of*** and I. I’ve never felt so broken hearted. You have to know how much you all mean to me, but I just can’t teach right now. I would also ask that somehow you could let others know I just want to be left alone for now. I can’t answer anyone’s questions because I don’t have the answers myself. I am so sorry to have let you down but I have to do what is right for me at this time.

Sincerely,
******

[rjfernalld (rjfernalld)]

willnotstanddown

God bless you! I am very moved by what you wrote to Neil, and that you have gone forward with your legal fight. Please know you and your cause will be prayed for every single day by myself and so many others who are with you all the way!! God will strengthen you I know, but if you need special prayer, encouragement or reassurance that the part of the Body of Christ that these awful people have battered and bruised once too often is squarely behind you...you just let us know! We will do all we can to help.

I don't have any clue as to your identity, and I don't need to to be proud to call you my friend and my sibling in Christ.

God Bless you and your loved ones, especially this Christmas. I know He is ready to bless your efforts. Rest in Him this season.

In Him
Roberta

[anon_brief (anon_brief)]

Willnotstanddown, stay strong. We support you.

[boss_martian (boss_martian)]

Willnotstanddown, Maria, Neil,

Lots of love and strength to you. I'm praying for you during these hard times, but I am so gladdened that there are some people that will stand by their principles. I know it has been hard for all of you, but Maria, you have come a long way, sister woman in the last six months or so. Keep on keepin' on!

Carl and the others are unentreatable. Lawsuits are the only thing that will get their attention. BRING IT!

[ncarrick (ncarrick)]

I wanted to let people know that keri and I now believe at least 2 other people will add their names to the action against GGWO.This includes two people who were accused of having an affair at GGWO.

I am seriously considering bringing the action also against those leaders who were directly involve and dropping any action against any of those who will help us.

For instance at this point I have no reason to believe that Pastor Paul will be anything other than cooperative in what he knows about the actions of GGWO during these events. I would however bet that Dr. Lewis would not be such a willing paticpant however I would iamgine that could change.

One has to remember that now we have multiple parties who say that GGWO made attempts to hurt us by lies and all of those people are in the same corner.

Neil

[anon_brief (anon_brief)]

Be strong, Neil.

As Bob said, many of us pray for you regularly.

[ncarrick (ncarrick)]

I don't think I have a choice with a family and so many people counting on me.

I have a lot of work to do, and if I don't do the right thing now it would be hard to get it done.

I am involved in three projects that I need to be focused on.

If I am not they simply won't get done. They involve helping children in places like Romania and frankly i want to see them done. It gives me great joy and to some degree helps the healing process.

I had hoped that some folks at GGWO would come to their senses months ago. I have lost faith that will ever happen.

[bjerwin (bjerwin)]

Neil, I am a claims adjuster in a personal injury firm in Florida. Have you found an attorney that will take your case? Is there a "cause of action" according to Federal or State Law? Obviously this is a civil tort, so I would suggest if you haven't already, find an attorney that will represent you, and find out what kind of upfront money, if any, they will require from you to pay for investigation costs and/or professional fees, etc. An attorney will decide if you have a cause of action that is recognized in Maryland or in Federal law and agree that the recovery is worth him putting in alot of time and money into your case. In doing the job I do, my firms have had to turn down representations for many seemingly worthwhile claims, because there was no cause of action to support a recovery, or if there was a cause of action, it would be too costly to prove same. If an attorney truly believes in your case, he will require no up-front cost money and will agree to a contingency fee. If not, think hard on going forward... There are attorneys out there who will take your money and then say goodbye. The injury you do not need is to be hurt by TBS/GG and then taken by a disreputable attorney. Good luck.

[ncarrick (ncarrick)]

Well the main concern i have now is I have a lawyer who has agreed to take the case. But it is in SC and we will have to make the claim in Maryland.

The Lawyer I have here is ready to file the motions to do it, but we are limited to what we can do in Maryland until we find counsel in Maryland.

The other parties live in 2 other states so it would only make sense to find a lawyer in Maryland to handle these cases.

My Lawyer here believes we can file the motions and see what happens. One of the reasons I decided to send GGWO a letter of intent was in the hopes they would simply respond and settle.

If I have to hire lawyers in 2 states they are not going to want to walk with with small pieces of the pie.

[bjerwin (bjerwin)]

You would hope that that would happen, that they would see the reasonableness of your letter of intent and respond accordingly; however, it usually doesn't work that way. When we have a personal injury claim in another state, we do as you say, we find counsel in that state and give the case to them to handle the negligence and liability matters according to that State's laws. We would then handle the damages and split the fee, all on contingency. That way, you have an attorney that is truly as convinced as you are as to your case. It would seem in my humble experience, that this case would require alot of money in costs for "investigation", and like I said before the cause of action is most important, because without that the case gets thrown out, no matter how dastardly it sounds. Neil, you sound like a truly lovely man and deserve the best... I will pray that you will find a good attorney in Maryland that will give you good counsel on the laws of Maryland and/or federal law if that is applicable... You are a dear... keep you head up... your family deserves all you give them in love and sweetness. Peace, bro.

[anon_brief (anon_brief)]

Neil, perhaps you should contact Jim Faucett. He may be able to refer you to an attorney in Maryland.

[ncarrick (ncarrick)]

Thanks Everybody.

Just in case somebody wants to help find counsel in Maryland you can email me at neil@1works.net

My Lawyer in SC has been practicing for almost 40 years. he is a good ole southern boy who is a sweetheart for doing the right thing. I am sure most lawyers wouldn't mind working with him.

Neil

[maria_t (maria_t)]

Neil don't give up whatever you do.
Many are praying

Keep yourself built up in the Lord and seek His direction, He will never fail you.

Maria

[free_to_be_off (free_to_be_off)]

Neil,

Have you considered Arguendo's counsel? She's an attorney who is VERY familiar with the practices of CHS and TBS. Perhaps she is licensed in the state of Maryland. If not, she may know of an expert in this particular field who is. Whatever your decision PLEASE DO NOT SETTLE OUT OF COURT! These things need to be documented for public consumption so the word can get out about this cult's evil practices! Who knows, maybe the media will become interested and publicize this "church's" "issues" once again. *sigh"http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lame.gif

FTBO

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[ncarrick (ncarrick)]

Thanks All,

FTBO where do I find contact information. I found two possible leads for counsel in Maryland this morning.

I started contacting former staff members a couple of days ago.

Lord knows I tried to do this in a way that would have given GGWO a chance to settle this and bring peace to a lot of people.

Neil

[boss_martian (boss_martian)]

GO NEIL!!!!!

[ncarrick (ncarrick)]

Boss,

Left word with two firms that were given to me. I wrote Pastor Marr one more letter saying basically make this right and you can avoid a lot of headache for the church in the legal process.

I am not expecting him or for that matter the church to do anything but i would imagine when the depositions saying that per the request of the Senior Pastor a staff person went to me and did everything he could to get me to do something including starting a near fist fight with two Pastors, my wife, and two friends present he may rethink what can happen.

So many true stories with so many witnesses.

I'd love to have a regular human being on the jury of my trial. It would be pretty easy to convince that much of what happened to me was downright evil and wrong under the law.

[bjerwin (bjerwin)]

Again, just a word of wisdom. The laws of the land do not always coincide with the laws of ethics. We do have a lawyer that cites in here often who is very knowledgeable and wise. Not sure if she is licensed or ever worked in Maryland.

One thing I do not want to see, Neil. You have been hurt once badly. I have seen people trounced by the court system when their attorneys when forward on principle rather than the "law of the land". While that will make the victim feel good while answering interrogatories and having their deposition taken, to have the whole case either thrown out by summary judgment or the defense being allowed to erase much of your testimony based on the "law of the land", ends up raping the victim all over again (i.e. OJ criminal case). It is not pleasant to explain to a "pure in heart victim" that the law doesn't support most people's ideas of fairness.

The most lovely thing though, Neil, is how so many friends support you and you have so many prayers for you and your family. God speed little bro!!!

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[rjfernalld (rjfernalld)]

The legal system also works FOR people too Neil...ask Betsy Dovydenas and Alan Lang. You do what you believe is right to do.

[ncarrick (ncarrick)]

To be fair I want to make the point that i said 2 legal groups we are speaking two. I am asking the people who have been involved in actions against GGWO what they believe is best.

nuff said

[free_to_be_off (free_to_be_off)]

Does anyone out there know how arguendo can be reached by Neil Carrick? If so, please post on this thread.

FTBO

[anon_brief (anon_brief)]

FTBO, it is unlikely that Arguendo would become personally involved; however, there are some resources available to me.

Neil (or you) may email me at anonbrief@yahoo.com.

[maria_t (maria_t)]

Neil,
What's happening with your case did you find any Maryland attorney's yet to help you out?

please keep us posted.

Maria

[rjfernalld (rjfernalld)]

More importantly, Neil...how are you feeling? Hope everything is okay with you and that the new year brings you what it is you seek.

[dancer]

Guess what? Strange Christmas Present.

Legal Friend has decided to pursue GGWO. He lives in Seattle and started researching the torte laws in Maryland. He thinks there may be a way around the time limitations that are in Maryland Code.

For all those who have wanted to be part of something in terms of a legal action I'd appreciate if you wtite how you feel your rights wre abused, money was stolen or how you were abused.

I never could find a lawyer to file a complaint till now against GGWO. How Ironic that I would get this Christmas present. I am sending a letter to the three reporters who have been on the GGWO story including the name of the people who are helping orchastrate the civil complaint.

If you watched 60 minutes tonight you saw this guy who was 14 in a concentation camp his name was one of 2 out of hundreds that was crossed out to be sent to a place where he would have died. Straight line through his name. I felt a little shocked to see how life can be that way. He had no knowledge until some 60 years after what transpired to save him from death.

I had all but given up. Out of the blue when considering some of the legal battles I been through I thought of my friend.

Hey Gary, Nicole, and Stephen sorry it took so long to pull this one off. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

Hey Fee sorry it took 4 years. BTW people other than us posters do read, and when people call me a liar and like and then somebody checks out what I say I really don't have to do much but give them a telephone number, such is the case here, no pun intended.

I say Gary will have a bigger Christmas present for many of us than even I imagined.

[lmao]

I think the only reason Betsy was able to sue tbs was that she and her family were able to pay what ever it took to get through the process.

It will take several million dollars and several years to successfully sue gg. Good luck.

[dancer]

Pro Bono. Not kidding. His name is Kurtis Leonard. I think it will take a lot to go after GGWO like you said. I thought for 2 years it would be a walk. It will not.