Making attacks personal

[Bob Brinton (151.203.152.166)]

I would suggest to all that we try to avoid being personally insulting and deal more in the exchange of actual ideas and beliefs and what the Word says. I also would suggest that when you are personally attacked, that you try not to take it as being personal. The more strongly and lengthily we react to each other, the less we actually accomplish here (at least that is good).

[Anonymous (24.88.34.73)]

Bob,

I was one for this idea and then early on, way before my name ever was signed people would attack my family and what had happened to us as being not true.

Then when it became well known that we had things transpire that not only could be proven but that had witnesses then it was like an excuse to start running down my mental state or something else in my life.

At some point you say enough is enough.

I really never had anything to say negative about anybody on this board until I defended a friend of mine, and was attacked by another board member. When Maria could not play fair as they say, she started pushing around like a bully on the playground. It was like oh neil defends Pam he isn't my friend.

It was not like that all. Don't make remarks about people unless there is something good to say about them.

Making broad statements like people are the children of the devil, or defending some really odd idea about something that cannnot be backed up at all, that amounts to slander is sickekning.

At some point you say, enough is enough.

I am just going to quote people, and let them see their own words.

I am sure like Maria, when they realize there is a thread named afer their own quotes it will hurt. But who said them? Blame yourslef.

If you want to be a peacemaker in all of this you need to consult those who are saying the most hurtful words.

[Bob Brinton (151.203.152.166)]

Neil, A couple of years back, I spent a few months at NAMI meetings studying mental illnesses. I had recently found out that a nephew of mine is bipolar. As I studied these things, I came to the conclusion that we all suffer from forms of these things in different measure. It made me much more empathetic toward those with noticeable difficulty. A lot of what they suffer is through no fault of their own; and it's tremendously hard on them and their loved ones. I don't personally consider you to be mentally unstable. I find you warm and caring and very humorous. I enjoy you a great deal. I think that some of what happens on the board here is hard on you; and really it is on us all. We don't seek easy solutions. We seek thorough and right ones. They have to be worked at. We all need to learn to make adjustments. I think you're doing fine; and I want you here with us. The note that Keri wrote in your defense really touched me. I was glad to see you supported in that way. I'm going to be offline for about the next week; but I'll be in prayer for you and for this message board. I think what happens here is important for us. Love, Bob

[Anonymous (24.172.44.98)]

I really thank you for your post. I am glad you could write something with such a great spirit.

Again I appreciate that.

I am sure my wife will too.

Neil

[Maria T (151.196.137.80)]

Neil just as you can post threads dedicated to me, Bonnie, Roberta and others who don't agree with the way you think don't forget we can do the same to you.
Fair is fair, and thats what you are screaming about.
Your thread of Friday (above) said I would be hurt if you had a thread dediated to me? I hardly think so.
Sorry to disappoint you on that one. Nothing you do or say is going to affect who I am in Christ. I could care less if you don't like me, my personality, what I write, or whatever beef you will create today (7/26) just to keep the threads going.

I have friends here too on this forum. None of us wants this forum trashed. You say that you don't either but you keep right up with creating new threads, etc. Like the Jetson one, and others. Whats the point? Why can't people discuss the issues at hand? You seem to get a charge out of provoking people and then step back and watch others fight. I give up trying to figure you out.
Like I said yesterday I'm not going to answer you any longer. I thought perhaps my saying so was a bit hard but after reading the posts and seeing how when I was away 4 days you still would not let up harping over and over about the music thing, and twisting things out of context.

As for your wife's letter to me and Bonnie? I post no reply. I agree with Bonnie. Enough said.
Maria T.

[Anonymous (12.77.48.131)]

Maria, you never give up. Even on this thread you have to get your kicks into Neil. Lady, what is your problem? You post the same post over and over again on different threads and NEIL is the one trashing this forum?
Do yourself (and more importantly us!) a favor and go to a few NAMI meetings.

[Maria T (151.196.137.80)]

Ahh but on other threads, "12" you trash me. Follow your own counsel and shut your own mouth. Go to a few NAMI meetings yourself. Neil addressed over 100 posts to me in the last week so mind your business and shut up. I have a right to answer ALL of them if I damn well please, and right now, thats what pleases me. I no longer care about what you have to say about it either. Can't the baby fight his own battles yet?

Maria

[Anonymous (24.88.32.43)]

Maria hold your head up high.

When Scott R called this morning I kind of knew what he was thinking.

Have a great day.

Neil

[Anonymous (151.196.137.80)]

I don't need to hold my head up high, Neil.
Hope Pastor R was some kind of help to you. Take that in whatever context you will because you will judge me the wrong way for saying it anyhow.

Have a great day yourself Neil.

Maria

[Anonymous (24.88.32.43)]

Hey was just saying hello http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

Neil

[Anonymous (12.77.48.222)]

You're the baby who needs people in her corner just to make it through the day, liar. You know it. And you are mad as hell that Neil took a side against you in an issue where you were wrong. I'm the reason you are so against him. It's me you want, not him. So here I am baby, come get me... What's the matter, Maria, is there a little bit of bad blood because you had a crush on my husband when we started dating and he didn't give you a second look?
I know more about you than you think I do, sweetheart.

[Maria T (141.157.106.142)]

Reposting from "Fair Play" thread:



Maria T (151.196.137.80)
Monday, July 26, 2004 - 11:43 am Neil You have your taste in music, I have mine and so does everybody else. Just because I made a statement saying that a lot of those songwriters songs were used in satanic rituals does not mean that I said those musicians were in hell or going to hell. I said they were used of their father the devil -- because their style of music and words to SOME of their songs do not glorify the Lord.

You have taken this to the extreme.
All last week you posted over 100 posts slamming me in regards to this. I have a right to express my convictions on this forum like everyone else does. Sometimes Neil you joke about weird things ok? One time you post about people taking up bandwith space and then you post the singers of your bands on your music list page. Wasn't that a waste of bandwith also? To me it was.

All the arguments on all the threads matter nothing to God. Absolutely nothing. So go ahead and declare yourself the winner, Neil. What does it really matter anyhow. You played your game, you had your fun, you twisted what I've said and others, and then your friends back you up instead of helping you get the help you need. If tearing me down abusively like you have done, (along with Bonnie and Roberta) if this feeds your ego and your manhood so be it.

Its sad that you want to ruin this forum. Actually its sad that you and your friends already have ruined it. There's nothing further to say. And your first post on this thread apologizing to me? That was no apology Neil it was just a further stab in the back because of what you said with it.
People that have you for a friend don't need enemies. So have your nice day and your nice chats with Pastor Robinson and don't expect much from me in the way of comments or edification towards you from now on.

Take your frustrations to God. Or to Pastor Robinson, I'm sure he will "side with you" while you were on the phone with him because he's a friend to ALL. Do you expect him to now call me and slap my hiney for what I've said to poor little old Neil? Don't hold your breath. He'll take things to God in prayer Neil. Thats his heart towards people.

Maria



Anonymous (24.88.32.43)
Monday, July 26, 2004 - 11:49 am Maria your the one who said "There father the devil"

What did you mean by that?

Do you understand what that means?

Do you know what you are impying when you write that.

Scott will find this entertaining.

Neil



Anonymous (24.88.32.43)
Monday, July 26, 2004 - 11:52 am If Scott was to spank you. He sure have one hell of a lot of target.

How much target do you think he will need?

I hope he gets a good laugh out of you calling me names and me back.

I am beging to feel like the Psalmist here.

"How long to sing this song..."

Neil



Anonymous (12.77.54.89)
Monday, July 26, 2004 - 11:54 am You're the baby who needs people in her corner just to make it through the day, liar. You know it. And you are mad as hell that Neil took a side against you in an issue where you were wrong. I'm the reason you are so against him. It's me you want, not him. So here I am baby, come get me... What's the matter, Maria, is there a little bit of bad blood because you had a crush on my husband when we started dating and he didn't give you a second look?
I know more about you than you think I do, sweetheart.



Anonymous (24.88.32.43)
Monday, July 26, 2004 - 11:55 am Ok Maria get the point? This could go on forever.

Your quotes are enough to have fun with for decades Maria. Just let it go.

I can quote you and have a field day. Your mean spirit is unreal.

Lord have mercy on all of us for going to this level.

Neil



Maria (70.16.16.149)
Monday, July 26, 2004 - 01:25 pm Pam, darling, it was Tracy Harvey that had the crush on your husband Simon, not me. She infact was engaged to him wasn't she when you met him?

I never met Simon until AFTER you married him, I was already dating/engaged to someone else OUTSIDE of GGWO. Much safer than trying to date anybody in this church the way people butt into your relationships and spread ugly lies around GGWO.
By the way, you're "hubby" did "nothing" for me Pam. Dream on. At least I didn't have to lower my standards to get someone that was with someone else!!

Go ahead Pam, make my day. You can say and post whatever you like. Doesn't matter to me one bit. You need to get off slandering me? Go for it. Proves the rumors that you were the "bitch" people called you around GGWO. Not me. You know, the "friends" you had at Fellowship Hall that weren't really your friends? Like Henk Moraal? You teased and flirted with him almost breaking up his marriage to Karen!! You who used to cry and whine on their shouldars about your first marriage, etc. and when you were off work they mocked you and made fun of you as well. How would I have known that Pam? I never knew you very well either, which you yourself said. Being in the wrong place at the wrong time!! And to think I stood up for you, and told those nasty women to shut up!! Lot of good it did me, you resent me for the stuff they said about you!! So, Pam, what is it going to be? The usual "GGWO" treatment? You learned it well too sweetie pie. Don't think I give a hoot about what is said about me in the back offices because I don't live for those people and I don't live for you either.

And don't think you're the only one who has "dirt" on people. Start your mudfight girlfriend, I can stand up to you anyday, anytime. If this is so worth exposing your true colors for the rest of the people here to see once again, then go for it.
I truly don't care. I don't care about you one bit. At one point I did and I tried to help you out. You can call me a brownnoser, ass-kisser, a Pastor Robinson groupie, a Pastor Stevens' spy, or whatever you want. Nothing you do or say is going to change what is in my heart. You would never be able to even see whats in my heart Pam, you are so full of bitterness and rage maybe my agitating you is going to do you a favor and let you get rid of some of it.

You want war? You're nuts. I told you months ago I wouldn't acknowledge your posts. You're so good at trying to point out where I'm a hypocrite? Look in the mirror, takes one to know one. At least I wore out the carpet getting on my knees before God because I knew I used to be a hypocrite. You have yet to go there Pam. Have a nice trip. Slander, malign and do whatever you have to do to make your little self better. Use me as your target. Don't expect me to answer you back. I only did it this time to show you I truly do not care what you do or say to me...what lies you post here, what relationships of mine you try to undermine here on the forum. You say I have no character in Christ just because I can flesh out like you. When the shoe is on the other foot you can't handle it.

Have a ball honey. I'll be reading and laughing at you. Perhaps I may shed a tear for you like I did before when I used to get so enraged at people for the hateful things they said about you behind your back. You stupid foolish child. I'm the one who went to Pastor Robinson to reach out to you. Go ahead and bite the hand that helped you or tried to help.

Maria T



Anonymous (70.16.16.149)
Monday, July 26, 2004 - 01:36 pm Have your fun, Neil.
Say whatever you like to Pastor R. I'm sure he needs a chuckle now and then. By the way, its almost 1:30 p.m. and he hasn't called me yet about you!! You posted 2 hours ago that you talked to him.

I don't care one bit Neil about what you say to him in regards to me. He's not stupid, he reads the forum, he already knows you have "issues" and "problems" like the whole rest of the world that reads factnet knows also. You certainly don't need me rehearsing what Bonnie and Roberta have said already. Just because I agree with them is my perogattive. So go ahead. Make sure you fill Pastor R's ears well. Don't forget Pastor Marr now too. In fact you should call everybody on staff at GGWO and let them know ALL there is to know about me. Truth is, I'm not taking your crap any longer and neither are Bonnie or Roberta. You abuse people Neil and you are no longer going to get away with abusing us. Make your phone calls. Print your 1000 threads dedicated to me. I could care less.

I don't care if you keep up your crap till hell freezes!! I already told you I don't want a war with you ok? You say you do? Have fun arguing with yourself!!! I hve more important things to do with my time than to waste it over you and Pam.
I won't cast my pearls before swine again.

Maria

By the way, Neil, I'll be out of town again tonight for a few days so lets see how much fun you can have one sided arguing!! I already told you I am not going to fight with you. Nor Pam either. Its not worth wasting time and energy.
Since everyone is so critical of my going away "a lot" - its a personal family thing that doesn't concern the nosey buggers on this forum that have no life. Sorry to disapoint you, it wasn't like I was sneaking off to be with a my lover. Can't give you anything good to gossip about now, can I.

[Anonymous (63.27.25.253)]

Who gives a ****!

[Anonymous (209.23.222.165)]

These message postings are confusing and juvenile in many cases and I am sorry to say I am highly disappointed in what most of you are discussing. Furthermore, Calvary Chapel in Baltimore is wonderful and should be considered by wavering Greater Gracians as a step out of the legalistic stone age.

[Anonymous (149.174.164.83)]

Wavering Greater Gracians?

I think that was a rock band.

Neil???

[Anonymous (209.23.222.165)]

No I'm brand new "209" I suppose. Former WGG
I really should copyright that. haha

[Roberta (141.154.144.33)]

"as a step out of the legalistic stone age."

In what way are they less legalistic...sincere question as I know next to nothing about Calvary Chapel.

[Anonymous (69.242.21.100)]

just go and find out don't be so lazy laying around the old house

[Roberta (141.154.144.33)]

Anon 69, that remark was uncalled for. I am amazed that you actually consider yourself a Christian. Your words written here do not testify to the fact.

[Maria T (70.16.5.247)]

To "63" who posted 8/2 @ 8:36 p.m.

Saying "who gives a ****"

You made my day with that remark, you are 100 percent right. These "wars" or whatever people want to call them aren't worth it, because in the end, the bottom line is that neither one of us that were at each others throats were seeing each other in Christ. And, you're right. Who does "give a ****" (to quote you) -- because the one who doesn't is the most important one, the Lord. I'm as guilty as anybody else is here for not responding appropriately in a spirit of humility before the Lord. When we ALL get to heaven none of these personality issues will matter -- not to us, and certainly not to God. Until then, I'm going to purpose each day just to simply do the best i can to walk right before Him, just as everyone else here tries to do also.

Thanks for the chuckle, God used it more than you'll ever know.

Maria T

[Izzysoul (209.6.151.215)]

Hi Roberta: Did you see that your friend Pastor Dave Curra posted on thread 3. I know you were asking about him so I didn't know if you saw it.
His wife posted there too.
Hope you are feeling well.

In Christ Iz

[Roberta (141.154.144.33)]

Yes, Iz...He emailed us and it is so good to hear from them. We were all friend, they and my husband and I when we went to SSB in Lenox.

I am glad to report I am not feeling worse today, and that is always a good report...*s* Thank you for your prayers, Iz. They help so much!

[Anonymous (68.55.92.82)]

Roberta
You sound like a GG, so I'll explain "less legalistic" to you. Attempting to control personal aspects of an individual's life in a congregation through self-indoctrinated sermons that are not biblically based is a deceptive from of legalism. Calvary Chapel is against that, as am I. I am currently an LCBC member which is similar to CC. Praise God for freedom from spiritual bondage.

[Anonymous (68.55.92.82)]

To 63.27.25.253
I know who you are you sick pervert. People like you give Christians a bad name. Nuff said.

[Anonymous (63.27.6.32)]

Nuff Said,

Who gives a ****!

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

What is "LCBC"?

[Roberta (141.154.144.33)]

68, I understand fully the general terms "less legalistic" rather well. I am not GG, have been out of GG a long time. I was asking for specifics about the more liberal vs. legalistic teachings of Calvary Chapel compared to GG.

[Anonymous (152.163.253.102)]

Liberal? Depends on your definition of liberal? Calvary Chapel is a bible driven church. Most don't refer to it as liberal.

[Roberta (141.154.144.33)]

*sigh*...the question is..how "less legalistic" is it from the "legalistic" teachings of GG

This is ridiculous....why won't people answer questions from someone who might be interested in Calvary Chapel? I can look up the doctinal statement on line, but what I am most interested in is the perceptions from former GG people who now attend the CC ...what does the term "less legalistic" mean in that context?

[Anonymous (69.242.21.100)]

sinners call people that follow God wholeheartedly legalistic

[Anonymous (209.23.222.165)]

Roberta and 64.12.117.20,
LCBC is Lancaster County Bible Church in Manheim PA and if you don't mind the drive or live close to the MD line it is an incredible, Bible-believing outreach. We're about 4200 strong and have amazing bible studies geared toward specific groups like Young Married Couples, Young Families, Singles, etc. Worship is fantastic and spirit filled. We have more friends there that we can truly fellowship with, unlike the hypocritical psychos at Greater Grace. But if you are from GG you probably did not realize that there are OTHER spirit-filled churches in this big old universe.

[Anonymous (209.6.151.215)]

Dear 209 If you had read the previous posts you would know that 1. Roberta is bedridden, 2. She has not attended GG for many years. If sarcasm and lack of compassion are what You are learning perhaps you need a new look into the Bible.

[Anonymous (209.23.222.165)]

No I am not familiar with previous posts, I have no idea who any of these people are, and per your info I suggest the invalidity of YOUR remark. Are you a current or former GG?

[Anonymous (209.6.151.215)]

Very former. The post about Roberta not being a member is three or four posts before the one you made. Just making an observation. God Bless, Thanks.

[Anonymous (209.23.222.165)]

God Bless!! Former- good for you!

All apologies to Roberta.

[Roberta (141.154.144.33)]

No apology necessary...it gets confusing here when you're new. CC interests me as many former GG members seem to prefer it is all. I hadn't heard of the place till it was mentioned here. And I tend to be curious about everything...*s*

[Anonymous (141.157.76.146)]

"209" can you post the directions to your church in Lancaster? I have friends up there that are looking for a church. Thanks.

[Anonymous (209.6.151.215)]

Thanks 209 you have integrity and kindness. My apologies to you.

[Anonymous (63.27.79.5)]

Why some subtopics are being deleted?
Who's doing that?
Is anybody controling this Board?

[Anon Brief (205.188.117.20)]

All boards have the capacity to be controlled and are controlled to some level. For which threads are you looking?

[Anonymous (63.27.19.162)]

WHO is controlling the content of this forum?

[Anon Brief (205.188.117.20)]

No idea. Administrative email goes to "Ghost in the Machine".

[Anonymous (209.23.222.165)]

Hey other 209- much appreciated thanks, and 141
Directions to LCBC are difficult to give- where are they coming from? Well no matter where you are you would take RTE 30E or W to Columbia/Marietta exit (not sure of #) Keep going toward MT.JOY / Manheim and it's off of Mt Joy RD. Directions are available online as well at lcbconline.org, as I would not want them to get lost. Its a very large church in the middle of Amish country- surrounded by cornfields. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif Nice break from B'more. They have a Starbucks inside the atrium too. Just another perk. Services are Sat. @6:30pm, and Sun. @9:00am & 10:45am.

[Maria T (141.157.99.234)]

Thanks, 209. I'll pass it on to my friend. They don't live that far from Rt. 30 and love living up near Amish country. I'm sure your church will be a blessing to them.

God Bless & again, Thanks.

Maria T

[Anonymous (69.242.21.100)]

$tarBUCK$ cofFEE.

[Anonymous (68.82.183.197)]

do something Satan doesn't want you to do tonight....PRAY