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joshua morin (68.33.87.202)
07-16-2004, 06:36 AM
you people who post anonymous are little sissys you have no balls and you cry to much so be a man or woman and type your name, no ones after you for your comments (perhaps they should) so suck it up and take one for the team your on,

joshua morin (68.33.87.202)
07-16-2004, 06:43 AM
how any onecan just accuse at will slander and lie with no proof or reason is cause for me to puke, show your colors , do it, free your self, joshua morin

j m (68.33.87.202)
07-16-2004, 06:45 AM
and i dont wanna hear im afraid of what the church will do to me , if your realy that afraid dont cross the street.

Maria T (141.157.107.45)
07-16-2004, 06:56 AM
Joshua,
I have learned from posting here regularly that there are some people who can't post their names at this time. Many people are hurting here that are posting and are afraid to post their names. They came here as a place for them to be able to vent their frustrations, ask questions, and get some kind of answers to those questions.

Its the ones that trash people's characters and really post ugly viscious posts that I still challenge on that issue because I see 2 kinds of people posting here...those posting that just want to "payback" the ministry, Pastor Stevens, the elders, etc. They don't care who they hurt either, they agitate others purposely to cause discord on the forum. They don't want to be healed but can't see how great their need for it really is.

Others are wanting healing and reconcilliation -- to the Lord, but not necessarily to GGWO and perhaps never to GGWO. These folks are in various stages of healing, they post anonymously because their trust has been smashed, they feel betrayed and violated, and they are angry but trying to work through that anger and go on with their walks with God.

I still believe people should not fear man, loss of friends and/or position at GGWO, and not be afraid or ashamed to use their names. Despite my feelings on this subject, I can understand the reasons some shared with me privately as to why they won't, and those confidences I won't break.

Maria T

joshua morin (68.33.87.202)
07-16-2004, 07:02 AM
ok hear this, if you are on gods team , dont be afraid. if some one threatens u contact me , no one in that church can deal with me, besides they dont give a ****, i mean for real all the **** i posted and not evan a postcrd dont freak out its cool ,,,, no ones comin to get you. execpt for the guy RIGHT BEHIND YOU, lol joshua morin

joshua morin (68.33.87.202)
07-16-2004, 07:05 AM
my god doesnt care who you are he will bless you accordingly so stand up

Roberta (141.154.144.33)
07-16-2004, 08:21 AM
Hi Joshua...I'm not afraid either...

Bob Brinton (151.203.165.28)
07-16-2004, 08:41 AM
Fear is just another four letter word. But there are many reasons people post anonymously, and some of them are legitimate. Some relationships with relatives or friends could be damaged if posters used their names. And many people still 'in the camp' post some really vicious things anonymously. It's easy to throw rocks when no one knows who you are. Bob

Lori Argenzio (141.157.87.63)
07-16-2004, 12:58 PM
I keep hearing the same thing over and over again, I can't post my name or leave the church because of my friends or family. I mean hello do you not have a mind of your own, do you consult your family and friends for every single move you make in life, ex. when to shower, what to eat, what to wear??? I mean come on it's getting old already. Be an indiviual with your own mind and decisions, stop making choices in life to satisfy others. You need to stop and think how this is affecting your life and those around you that you can not even make a simple decision as posting your name or leaving a church that you feel is bad. If anyone finds offesive in what I said here, sorry, but it's my opinion, and I learned early in life to make decisions on my own, to be a leader not a follower.

Lori- Never afraid or ashamed to post my name and say how I feel, it is my right as a person, try it some time it feels good to not be afraid.

Fear will eat you up if you let it.

There is nothing to fear except fear itself.

Anonymous (64.211.41.114)
07-16-2004, 01:11 PM
Okay, maybe I should explain myself. I post "Anonymous" because that's my real name. First name that is.

Anonymous (12.183.1.152)
07-16-2004, 01:15 PM
Hey Josh,hows your heart? heard you had a little time in the hospital.Hope all is o.k.Please correct me if I recieved wrong info. A friend

Lori Argenzio (141.157.87.63)
07-16-2004, 01:17 PM
Ha Ha, so funny,(NOT!) are you a comedian? If so you should quit while you're ahead.

Lori Argenzio (141.157.87.63)
07-16-2004, 01:28 PM
Josh, what's up man? Some are not obeying the name of this thread. I think you need to come in and handle this. lol

Anonymous (80.74.210.5)
07-16-2004, 02:04 PM
Soon there are seven dead men! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/sad.gif

margo (205.188.117.20)
07-16-2004, 02:06 PM
aw hell we all gotta go sometime.

Lori Argenzio (141.157.87.63)
07-16-2004, 02:06 PM
Dude you really need to chill out, no one is afraid of your little insinuated threats.

Lori Argenzio (141.157.87.63)
07-16-2004, 02:13 PM
and now who is # 7 since you said pastor was
# 6, I sure hope you are not making threats here.

Anonymous (12.183.1.152)
07-16-2004, 02:56 PM
Margo,just saw your picture on photo gallery,damn girl your hot.Im not kidding,all that wit and beauty too.Are you married? Boyfriends?

Anonymous (69.242.21.100)
07-16-2004, 03:06 PM
when dealing with a CULT you should post anonomously ,also it our right to do so.seeing the PARANOIA and the WEAPONS in that ministry ,they pose a danger to people a danger to children etc.plus with some of the threats from the leadership.

margo (205.188.117.20)
07-16-2004, 03:18 PM
im divorced 12.183... i have a boyfriend. thank you for your kind compliment *blush*

Anonymous (12.183.1.152)
07-16-2004, 03:28 PM
if your looking or going to be looking,or want another one,let me know.My parents taught me how to share when i was small.Absoultly no insecurities here.Let me take you out to dinner,while your other boyfriend takes care of brushing the horse and feeding the pomeranians.

NANCY CURRA ANON (172.146.62.147)
07-16-2004, 03:39 PM
you know what I have known you kids since you were very young but I have been a faithful member of GG since 87 and I have posted my name and have been trashed and marked and emailed, so please get off your high horses about people who are legimately confused and hurt like me. You havent' even been in church all these years most of you. It is kind of hysterical to me that those of you who have not sat in my church for all these years would dare to tell those of us directly involved with the crap that you don't know about, have not been called into offices and have not taken a stand like I have would have the unadulterated gall to slander those who post anonymously. If I had it to do again I would have been one of those anonymous posters. So unless you have sat where I sat please be quiet. thankyou. You really struck a nerve with me on this one because I know you all personally. Give me a break!

Nancy Curra (172.146.62.147)
07-16-2004, 04:02 PM
And by the way dear hearts I love the Lord with all my heart, am sick near to death and unafraid. I follow Christ not a man, hear this clear, not a man. when the man goes off Biblical truth then I must used the critical thinking skills with God and the Bible that this same man taught me years ago. In ABD, in raps and church ... were you there???? funny I didn't see you. grrrr i just woke up and swore I wouldn't come back here. I must be nuts to listen to this garbage both here and in church. For your information it is sick and disgusting when the Holy Spirit of God wants to speak through a person and that person veers off into a dirty filthy vile joke from the pulpit.

SECONDLY it does not honor God for Bible college students to walk around dressed inappropriately WHEN they are in the college, what they choose to do on their own time is up to them BUT not in the college.

THIRDLY, the church is not a concert hall. Showtunes "Christian" songs and inappropriate dress on the stage in a church service is completely disgusting, ushers in NO anointing and doesnt' prepare a proper heart.

FOURTHLY, whenever we have questions and we want to get them answered we are side stepped and danced around and made to think our walk with God is off.

FIFTHLY when a message and there have been many lately does NOT line up with the Word of God we are not to receive that message as "thus sayeth the Lord" because you know what? God doesn't say it in the Word.

AND now because I post what I personally know to be true and I am not anony you watch how much I get slammed for this by those of you who don't haven't sat where I sit.

so there you go unanonymous wishing she could be anonymous.

Anancimous (172.146.62.147)
07-16-2004, 04:17 PM
and BTW try and kick my ass lmao i sit on it 24/7 Joshua . give my love to mom and sisters. ty

same ISP (172.146.62.147)
07-16-2004, 04:22 PM
and one more thing Do you think Factnet draws addictive personalities. o wait that post was about gg. guess it must be both. And btw most of humanity is addicted to something. o geez what a riot

YeahYeahYeah (172.146.62.147)
07-16-2004, 04:24 PM
O AND ONE MORE THING this is in no way directed to my darling daughter who is brave and strong and smart and thinks on her own. unfortunatly it has not been until now that she knew all that was going on with me and gg and the whole nine yards.

Anonymous (172.146.62.147)
07-16-2004, 04:28 PM
that was cause i talked to her anonymously

Anonymous (68.34.98.94)
07-16-2004, 04:56 PM
Joshua Morin
I can post anonymously if I want to and I don't have to explain why to you or anyone else. Are you the newest General of Factnet now?

Lori Argenzio (141.157.87.63)
07-16-2004, 05:00 PM
Mom I love you,

The reason why allot of the children of parents who went to gg post here with our opinions is because most of us were forced to go to this church by each and every one of our parents including me. So there was allot we had to deal with that most probally do not even relize, and the reason we post what we do for the most part allot of us were smart and left before we got trashed anymore then we already had been, I do feel bad for you and those who are confussed and hurt and at the same time we are all different and most of us kids grew tough skin and just basically saw through all the garbage when we did have to attend, you see allot of the times the kids eyes are opened way ahead of the parents eyes, and that's why we left the whole scene of gg.

Hey Josh Love ya hun http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

Lori Argenzio (141.157.87.63)
07-16-2004, 05:09 PM
And for the record Mom I really wish I knew everything you had been going through along time ago, I would have always been there to back you up. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

And 68 Please chill out this thread was made for those who are not afraid to post their names Josh never said you owed him an explanation, he is simply saying that if you have facts why not state your name because it is kind of pointless to come on here when people post anon when saying this is a fact. How can you back up a fact with anon name? It just doesn't make any sence. Also slandering or bashing other people, basically Josh is saying hey if you have the nerve to go after someone post your name and in my words only a coward bashes and slanders without posting their real name, it's easy to hide behind your pc and act like your're all big and bad, but it takes balls to back it up with a name, a real name that belongs to you (to avoid the jokes like my first name is anon, silly boy)
And 68 if you did not like the name of this thread then don't waste your time typing in here, and take a breath everything will be just fine. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

Anonymous (68.34.98.94)
07-16-2004, 05:37 PM
Um, did you read the first two posts of this thread?He outright insults those who don't want to post their name.

Nancy (172.146.62.147)
07-16-2004, 06:05 PM
she is right you know, we can avoid threads we don't like, people do have the right to make any thread they want. So for that I appologize to Josh and Lori who I love. but I did want them to understand what happens to us when we post our name. They know me very well, Lori is my daughter and Josh is one of her friends and someone she grew up with and the son and brother of dear friends of mine. so 68 if we don't like the name of the thread best for us to simply avoid it.

Anonymous (68.34.98.94)
07-16-2004, 06:23 PM
Or we can respond to it like I chose to do.

Lori Argenzio (141.157.87.63)
07-16-2004, 06:28 PM
Yep you sure can, but you will not hear from me after this post. I said my piece and I am done, it's obvious to me you just intend to stay on this thread to fight it out with Josh, so good luck with that...lol

Anonymous (68.34.67.195)
07-16-2004, 06:59 PM
Just for the record. I post anonymously mainly for this reason - I hope my life is a testimony for the fact that you can leave ggwo and still be a committed Christian with a fruitful life. I have not been negative or badmouthed ggwo to any of my friends in hopes that they will continue to be my friend and see how it is possible to have a great life outside of ggwo. If they knew I was posting on factnet the friendship would be over.

I do understand that they are not "truly" my friends if they turned against me. I look at it like this - if I can still be a part of their lives and be a great "exit" testimony, then I will have a better chance of helping them make their exit. They can't accuse me of being infected by factnet because they have no idea I am here. It's the same approach I always believed was important for other hot topics like abortion. I am not going to stand in a picket line in front of an abortion clinic and get all sorts of people upset at me. Instead, I will hope to have God lead individuals to me who I can affect one heart at a time.

Just some food for thought. I do also apprectiate all those who have given their names.

Anonymous (69.242.21.100)
07-16-2004, 07:03 PM
amen

Lori Argenzio (141.157.87.63)
07-16-2004, 07:06 PM
Nicely said 6834 http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

joshua morin (68.33.87.202)
07-17-2004, 02:22 AM
hi lori thanks for the back up. some times i dont know why i try to make heads or tails of some of these "anonyies". hey i just made a lower classification of posters, any one who posts anonymously ill call em anonyies. there like people that dont matter , thus any thing they say doesnt matter. sounds good to me.what do you guys think? joshua morin

joshua morin (68.33.87.202)
07-17-2004, 02:30 AM
oh and i didnt forget about the threat posted about being the 7th dead man. if its my time ill take it as it comes but you have quite a nerve to type that OOOHHH WAIT STOP THE PRESS YOUR AN ANONYIE AND YOU DONT MATTER. thanks and have a nice day. joshua morin

Anonymous (12.183.1.157)
07-17-2004, 06:21 AM
Hey josh,I take that you are o.k. or you didnt get my post concerning your heart condition.I wont bring it up again,I know how quick you are to answer issues that concern you.Again I hope all is well with you. Just concerned. Take care and say hello to mom your sis L. and do you still have contact with the guy that rides the circus bike? the one with the BIG front wheel.

Anonymous (80.74.211.187)
07-17-2004, 08:49 AM
yes josh, we are damaged goods.

Anonymous (205.188.117.20)
07-17-2004, 04:24 PM
I would like to address a few things on here. Lori and Nancy why dont you use the telephone to tell each other how much you love each other, everyday, it gets a little sickening,WE ALL KNOW, already.It's wonderful but we all dont need to see it constantly. Roberta, why do you not tell us all that you are not from GG and have not been there, that you are from Mass. and your job seems to be bringing down Carl and the church. WHEN was the last time you spoke to him????? You write as though you see it all, ......NOT.Your vindictiveness of Carl,??? could it be you were once an admirer that was ignored?? I think thou doth protest a little too much.Maybe before you try to SAVE everyone else you should get a little help dealing with your hidden anger, I believe you do not know where it comes from yourself, It amazes me that you gave nothing to do with this church but are one of its strongest antaganist, why??Please answer these: you said Carl never made time for you?? You posted you havent seen him in many years, Lenox days.Yoy barely knew him then (posted), I hardly believe your hatred is from your relationship , or lack of,with him. I think you need some very good counciling to erase your hatered so you can be the Christian that you want to be. I think you could find another hobby other than bringing down Carl and the church. Love in Christ.

NancyILoveYouLoriCurra (172.136.241.82)
07-17-2004, 04:56 PM
205 because I am on dial up in a hospital bed. staying on the net keeps me busy, distracts from the pain, not that I owe you an explanation but since you needed to know. I write in my live journal their, chat with friends and play games. I am in this bed 22 hours a day thus whenever I see Lori around I tell her I love her. Sorry if that offended you.

You seem to be really knowledgable about people's hearts, motives and intentions. I thought we were meeting you up in the air? Did I misread that verse. sigh

And 205 we are not demanding that you read our posts, hon you have free will to ignore us, try it, you'll get rid of misdirected pent up feelings.

Also is pastor stevens your pastor? i noticed you called him carl.

And in defense of Roberta who I don't always agree with, she has a free God given right to write whatever she wants and you know what ???? This will shock you.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO READ our posts...oops sorry for the caps, I don't know how to do the bold and italic tags here.

Cara (152.163.253.102)
07-17-2004, 04:59 PM
Carl is doing a good job of bringing himself down.

Do you understand that your post is the classic example of a cult member defending his/her cult?

All motivation for speaking is based in hate and anger is what you stated above.

You attack Roberta because she has been out of GG for so long? You state the ones that did nothing are the ones attacking? Did you think before you wrote that? In what economy are you relating to? God's economy? The one that about "giving the cup of cold water in His name" economy? You don't know Roberta, you have never walked in her shoes, you have not witnessed her life unto God. You do not know if she, in principle, has not given thousands of cups of cold water through her ministry and yet you label her vindictive and full of anger. Yet I see someone who serves others selflessly. I see righteous outrage for the suffering of others. Where is yours? Where is yours for the heresy coming from the pulpit? Where is your outrage for families that have been split apart because of lies spoken from that man's mouth? Where is your outrage that men like Ed Lutz is forced to leave GG for demanding integrity from the men he served two decades with?

I am ashamed that I ever attended a church that preached grace but behaved as you just did on this forum. Where is your outrage for sin, for others? You trash godly women and defend the ungodly, deceitful men. You share the sin, you are an obvious product of a destructive church.

Nancy (172.136.241.82)
07-17-2004, 05:09 PM
Cara again I must say how thankful I am that you are here. As for 205 he's not worth our typing skills. He is obviously a robot, troll or staffer in defense of what he fears.

Probably just as confused as many or wouldn't even be here because being here he violates all the doctrines he was taught in gg if indeed he is in gg.

He is an interesting one. Can't quite figure out where he is at. o well nuf typing wasted on that.

God bless you Cara keep it up. You are one of my personal cheerleaders to cause me not to back down for the sake of others.

Anonymous (216.183.184.253)
07-17-2004, 07:36 PM
Nancy,

Thank you for your post of Friday 7/16 at 10:39 am.

Lori Argenzio (141.157.124.30)
07-17-2004, 07:41 PM
Oh lookie lookie its mr 205 once again, boy for someone who doesn't agree with this forum or accept the fact that people have opinions-facts, and the right to speak their mind, you sure are here allot, Why not go get yourself a little hobby. I will tell my mother I love her whereever and whenever I want, you don't like it? Who the hell cares I was not put on this earth to please you, so deal with it or leave, you do not have to sit here and read this forum yet you choose to and you choose to pick out things you can pick on, I guess this is your one and only hobby besides for backing up your dear carl, dude listen your words do not offend me or scare me your actually quite funny to think that people will actually listen to you..lol...what a joke.

Oh by the way 205 this is for you since you seem to make me and a few others the center of your world...

I LOVE YOU MOM I LOVE YOU MOM I LOVE YOU MOM

hope you enjoyed your reading today 205....try taking time today to find yourself a hobby ok.

Anonymous (64.12.117.20)
07-17-2004, 08:57 PM
Lori, I hope you don't think anyone listens to you. You have proven that you have no heart for anyone who disagrees with you.

Anonymous (64.12.117.20)
07-17-2004, 08:59 PM
I think people are anonymous on the board because of the meanness of the posters here. not the GGWO people but the people who have left.

Roberta (141.154.144.33)
07-17-2004, 09:21 PM
So....GGWO posters aren't mean? Hmmmmm

A GGWO pastor spent weeks being nasty and mean to me because he "thought", without proof, that I had written a malicious letter to his son. Rather than ask me outright, he trashed my reputation, made numerous malicious false accusations before I finally forced him to confront me.

He was wrong and gave a half hearted apology.

Meanness? Only the ex-members? Are you an ex member? If not then be careful, for your meanness is very obvious, little troll.

Anonymous (205.188.117.20)
07-17-2004, 09:44 PM
Yes I am an Ex Member. But if I wasn't, you always call for people to come here and answer your questions. Then you respond to everyone the same way, by calling them names if they disagree with your opinion. And Roberta, how long will it take you to get over the supposed half-hearted apology. Will you hold on to that for another 30 years?

Lori Argenzio (141.157.124.30)
07-17-2004, 10:10 PM
To 6412
I only give back what I receive, treat others as you wish to be treated, some people here were mean and nasty to me, so I just give them a taste of their own medicine, it's only fair.

Roberta (141.154.144.33)
07-17-2004, 10:41 PM
Nothing wrong with asking questions or asking for a direct answer.I fully expect people to differ with my opinon, 205 (why not say who you are, anyway?). Frankly opinions are just that, opinions and everyone has a right to have them, and everyone has a right to disagree. Including me and those who disagree with me...it is you I call names as you are an irritant,little gnat.

Your characterization of me as someone who is angry, full of hate and someone who wants revenge is proof that you don't know me at all. Anyone who does know me, knows that isn't the truth. I have been away from the ministry a long time, true, but I have many friends who were also hurt, left and have gone one with their lives like I have. I have many friends still within the ministry over these years. It has been painful to watch them continue to be decieved by Carl, but I do not make their choices for them and never tried to dissuade them from attending. They would tell you as much.

I wasn't concerned so much about what the ministry was or was not doing until recently seeing a video of Carl preaching. I was astonished to say the least. He was so changed, and the preaching was so disjointed and weird. Then by chance I found Factnet and spoke to people about what was happening. Then I became very very concerned for the friends I have still attending.

When people began emailing me asking or help as they were leaving and didn''t know what to do, or think...well, I became all the more alarmed. Reading about Alan and Margaret who is my friend, hearing about Paul and ....well on and on it goes.

You will not appreciate this explanation, I understand that. You seem hell bent on hating me, and actually I am so ok with that. You don't really seem to like anyone who speaks out which is why I am not convinced at all that you are an ex member. Be that as it may, I don't much care who you are or aren't. Your manner suggests that you may be just a troll, irritant what ever...that's ok too.

About that semi-apology...The pastor in question is accountable for his actions every bit as much as anyone else. He represents GGWO...and if his treatment of me is any indication, he is a perfect representative for them. The half baked apology is just one more indication of the corruption and callous nature of the ministry itself, and something I will continue to point to as tangible proof of same

Perhaps Nancy has a point about you. *LOL*

Fly away little gnat..."flick"

Anonymous (205.188.117.20)
07-17-2004, 10:53 PM
Roberta,
One person does not represent GGWO, pastor or not. GG is made up of many individuals who would all act and respond differently in a situation.
Just because he is in GG does not mean everyone else in it can be blamed for his bad behavior. I don't think we should see GG as one collective unit, but we should deal with the individuals in it and address only them for their behavior. Pastor Stevens, Pastor Paul, and every believer and missionary should answer for their own lives and actions.
P.S. I am not the "irritating little gnat" that you addressed, although I have the same IP number

Anonymous (69.242.21.100)
07-17-2004, 11:02 PM
oh no now roberta's gonna waste space with large posts here now ...

Roberta (141.154.144.33)
07-17-2004, 11:17 PM
205 and 69

I did deal with him as an individual. But I did and do find his behavior indicitive of many who "claim" to be members of GGWO. If you are a member of the Armed Forces for example your actons reflect upon the service in general although you yourself may be accountable. The same holds true for the pastorate at GGWO and other churches.

And 69...I have never considered what you have had to say as a waste of space though I have seldom agreed with you. *hug*

Nancy (172.138.232.218)
07-17-2004, 11:54 PM
205 and 69

You are not sitting where we sit, you don't know us. We have legitimate reasons for being here and if you do too then that is fine. But always looking to get a reaction from people or to hurt them has made it obviouse to me you are just trolls with either nothing better to do or are on staff.

So just as I have the ability to hit delete I also have a spiritual mute button which I will now take my liberty in Christ to use and will not respond to another post of either of you.

You are not here to help the hurting or to make things right. I will pray for you and love you with God's love.

I hope my daughter and Roberta and Cara will follow suit because maybe then you will just disappear. As far as I am concerned you are gone.

I love you Lori, Roberta and Cara, Jack and Chris, and each one who wants to contribute to peace, exposure of corruption and healing. Thankyou for being here and thankyou for encouraging me in the Lord.

nancy (172.138.232.218)
07-17-2004, 11:55 PM
o and Josh and Erin and Leah, love u bunches http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

Anonymous (69.242.21.100)
07-18-2004, 03:52 AM
stop wasting space

Anonymous (141.154.144.33)
07-18-2004, 04:07 AM
stop trying to be clever

Anonymous (205.188.117.20)
07-18-2004, 04:08 AM
Stop telling people to stop

Lori Argenzio (141.157.124.30)
07-18-2004, 04:13 AM
Amen..

Izziesoul (209.6.151.215)
07-18-2004, 04:57 AM
Roberta: I was wondering since you seem to have your heart in a ministry for the kids. These kids that have been in the ministry and have now left, how do their parents explain to them that they had been deceived? I mean both the parents and kids. Do they turn away from the Lord?
I think that is my biggest fear for them is that they will lose their faith in God and in going to a church.
Also, do you think there is someone in the ministry that could "repair" the damage done to everyone and re-establish (or maybe even establish) credibility to GG?
Do most people that leave try to find another church?
Thanks for listening. Iz

Roberta (141.154.144.33)
07-18-2004, 07:20 AM
It has to be difficult for parents. I have no children of my own, but when we left, my friend's son ...they were and are all still in the ministry...asked us why we didn't go tochurch there anymore. I asked his mother for permission to say the truth, as much of the truth for the kid's age. She agreed, knowing I would say nothing slanderous or hurtful.

I told her son that Scott and I had prayed to God because we had a lot of questions about the church and we weren't happy there. We told him...I think he was 4 at the time...that we had a disagreement with the pastor and had decided to stop going there. He was a very special kid to us, and we loved him very much.

He asked us if we still loved God. We told him yes. He wanted to know did God live in other churches and we said yes. He asked if the pastor was a bad guy, we told him no. Scott told him we just disagreed with some things and after praying we thought it was ok with God if we stopped going there.

He asked us if we would be mad at him if he still went there. We said, no silly...we'll love you no matter where he went. We asked him if he'd still love us, and he giggled and said..no sillies, I'll always love you. He still does and he's a teenager now.

He knows more of our story now since he himself has had trouble with the teen ministry and I don't think he attends GGWO although his parents still do. He has been though a lot of changes spiritually, but he's a great kid and I think he'll be okay in the end.

" do you think there is someone in the ministry that could "repair" the damage done to everyone and re-establish (or maybe even establish) credibility to GG? "

I don't know the answer to this. I am not sure what I think except to say I think the corruption at the top needs to be stopped. I pray for Casrl Stevens that he get's some help with whatever physical and mental problems he is obviously experiencing. For me personally, I think the men that surround him are the chief problem now and there needs to be a change. The present state of affairs is dangerous and unhealthy to say the least.

Do others find another church?

Yes I do think most that leave find other good churches. The transition may be difficult, but there are so many good churches in America...I suspect that most find another place to worship if they want one. Some may find a time of healing or therapy might be in order first though.

Not sure how helpful my answer is to you, but you and yours are in my prayers.

Blessings
Roberta

Anonymous (64.12.117.20)
07-19-2004, 04:44 PM
that is very spiritual of you to say that we are sissies and have no balls for not posting our names. gee, what does my ball size have to do with anything. are you a friend of carl s. the nephew? you are not only brain washed, but brain dead. too bad i guess you are weak minded and can't think for yourself or your own balls. lol

Izziesoul (209.6.151.215)
07-19-2004, 05:28 PM
Thank you Roberta. I have no children either but they are always in my heart.
I often took my nieces to service with me. They are all so precious.
I think it is wonderful that you have dedicated your gifts to helping them.
I worry about the kids in the church, I really do.

JF (66.90.181.249)
07-19-2004, 05:32 PM
Izzie you have mail.

Anon IPs (192.250.112.194)
08-03-2004, 12:50 PM
205.188.117.20 Mitchall Clarke COOLSCOOB315@aol.com 3700 West Nolte Road St. Cloud Florida; Chrissy Slaske cdslaske@aol.com 5616 W. Montana St. Milwaukee WI 53219;

Anonymous (70.16.5.247)
08-03-2004, 05:41 PM
And your point, "192"???????//

Just because "205" has one of the 4 AOL IP numbers available to AOL dialup users doesn't give you the right to divulge his ID~~~or hers (speaking of Chrissy) either.

How would you like it done to you????????????

Anonymous (68.82.183.197)
08-10-2004, 03:27 AM
do something Satan doesn't want you to do tonight....PRAY