Help for those who are hurt

[Anonymous (24.172.44.98)]

Please place information in this forum discusion on help for individuals or families that are hurt or are seeking out assistance.

[Neil Carrick (24.172.44.98)]

I have contacted a Counseling Group that is in Maryland. The group is already being used by some of the folks who need help with some past hurts. Some on this forum can actually profess that are a great organizationto work with.

The group also has worked with some of the counselors at GGWO & MBCS over the years. So no matter what side of the fence you are on the group is well recieved. You can discuss your desire to get counseling and I will be very confidential in dealing with any matter. I cannot promise but I think the leadership of the church will be able to support and encourage this process, hopefully in a public manner like Grace Hour. I hope to have a conversation with the Elders about this soon.

Regardless of what the church decides to do the counseling group is willing to work with those involved and especially who have been hurt. I will try to set some times up for effort like group counseling very quickly.

If you want to be involved in confidential, or group counseling with an opportunity to heal please contact me:

neil@1works.net

Information on how I will work this group on behalf of those who need help and counsel will be more available as the next week goes comes.

Neil Carrick
neil@1works.net

[Neil Carrick (24.172.44.98)]

Thanks for those who are supporting efforts to help people.

I really appreciate it!

Neil Carrick

[Anonymous (24.172.44.98)]

Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 03:25 pm
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I worked in the Bible College and know whom Neil is speaking about, the group is called Safe Harbor.

their website is:
www.safeharbor1.com

Lutherville # 1-410-515-3070
White Marsh # 1-410-893-4600

Erik Sundquist, Clinical Director

[Elena Chet (64.136.26.225)]

It took me a few days to read over the postings on the site. I'v been praying for the people involved, and of course for the church. Listen, there are no perfect churches. And GGWO is definately not a perfect place (I am a part of it, so that should pretty much do it :-)

This is NOT the point. I am not here to discuss any of the accusations brought up. I am here to ask you - please stop this mess...

The heart of God is never in the fault-digging. It's in restoring...

It seems to me that most people posting here have been hurt. And that was satan's doing. Please, before you go on any further, let God heal you first... When we speak out of our wounds (unless we are speaking and crying into God's ear), nothing good will come out of it but bitterness and more wounds. PLEASE stop hurting each other. It doesn't make any sence, and it's the enemy's instrument of wearing down the saints.

What's wrong with Christ's command "love one another, and by that the world would know that you are my disciples..." How about the spirit of meakness? Unity? Has Christ divided lately?

Sad statement, but some of my Muslim friends visited this site. They were disgusted. Here is their reaction: "You, Christians, say that Islam is an agressive religion. But at least we don't kill each other. Why is it that you who proclame loving God are so quick and willing to cut each other's throats? Is THAT the church you are telling us about? What kind of God do you have?" - Sad, isn't it...

It doesn't matter if people are wrong or right. They stand and fall before God, and stand they will. We are wrong by bringing up their faults regardless if we have the facts or not.

If we bring up other people's dirty clothes, even if we are right, we are WRONG... And help us God if we continue in this way, because now we are at fault and in need of repentance...

Remember, love covers multitude of sin? Remember the commendmant to love each other? If you can't love them as your church, love them as your friends. If you can't love them as your friends, love them as your enemies. BUT LOVE THEM!!!!

Satan hates the church and tries to bring it down. Please do not volunteer for him. PLEASE!!!
I have ministered and been on staff in a couple of GGWO churches, and I've seen them go through trials. And you know, God doesn't really need our help to deal with his leaders. He hits them hard without our assistance if they attempt to lead people astray. Take comfort in this. It is God's church, so let God do it...

How about 2 Chronicles 7:14:
"If my people who are called by my name, will humble themselves, and pray, and sick My face, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin, and I will heal their land."

I want to challenge you. Do you really care about the church? Do you really want to help hurting people? Do you? Then why not humble ourselves, and pray, and see God's mighty hand move?

As of today, May 23, 2004, I will start fasting for the situation. If anyone cares to join me, be my guest.

Here is my e-mail: LenaChet@yahoo.com. You know who I am and you are welcome to look me up in church if you like - most of the time I can be found in the translation area. I am not quitting, and we will see Gods hand in action.

OK. Enough said. God bless you all. My prayer that we learn how to be real friends in time of need - pulling together instead of pulling someone down. Loving people out of their problems instead of pressing them face down into the dirt.

With prayers and respect,
Lena.

[Anonymous (4.139.90.239)]

Thank you Mr. Carrick for the offer of help.
Some of the psychological pathology found on this board is astonishing.

[SJ (152.163.253.102)]

And you are a case in point, 4.139.90.239

[Anonymous (4.139.3.179)]

According to Miss Deanna Stoddard's Human Behavior class at MBC&S characteristics of "Defense Mechanisms" are:

a. Not consciously chosen
b Designed to protect certain emotions & thoughts
c. SELF-DECEPTIVE blind spots
d. Used by everyone since our experience is not perfect.

Various Defense Mechanisms are:

a. Repression: A subconscious or conscious choice is made to ignore ANY unacceptable issue which are too painful from emerging in the conscious mind.

b.Projection: Attributing one's own impulses and wishes onto someone else.

c. Isolation: Emotions which are unacceptable are cut off from the conscious thought.

d.Intellecutalization: Avoidance inferious feelings in an unconscious conflict by meeting these feelings with excessive intellectualization.

e. Rationalization: Justifies unacceptable attitudes, beliefs and behaviors by the intervention of false reasons.

f. Displacement: A person transfers emotion for original source object to more acceptable substitute.

g. Regression: Designed to cope with conflict, an individual may revert back to an earlier stage of development to deal with the stress of the conflict.

h Undoing: An act or verbal communication which is unconscious, in order to cover up and nullify a previous mistake.

i. Denial: The ability to deny the existence of something that's disturbing.


Need I say more fellow Greater Gracers?

[Anonymous (141.157.75.224)]

We hope to all use one Thread again for everything. This is too confusing. Please use only Thread 9.

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

To Elena Chet
Yes it is satan at work but what you need to know is. That satan is at work in GGWO not outside tring to defame. Yes those who repent will be forgiven but some of the leadership is wolfes in sheeps clothing

[talkintruth (205.188.117.20)]

Just wanted to throw this out there.....I know that people on this board are spread out far and wide, but there are at least some who are here in Baltimore.

Maybe those of us who are in the Baltimore area could set up a prayer team to have available for those in the area who may come out of the GGWO ministry and need people to minister to them through prayer.

I realize that everyone prays for each other on this forum. There are also churches all over praying. I heard from another friend last night. I just know that in the lowest times of my life, nothing has meant more than to have someone available who would just say, "Can I sit down and pray with you?" Just a thought since the lonliness, hurt, betrayal, denial, and other stages of the grieving process are so real. The release is real too. Just a thought.....
God Bless,
TT

[Anonymous (152.163.253.102)]

Great idea , TT.

[Bob Brinton (151.203.187.180)]

I personally believe that the Lord wants us to gather together in groups regionally. Not to attack or berate TBS/GGWO, but to encourage eachother and to seek the Lord together in prayer. Good stuff happens here, but personal contact is a logical next step. If we can come together with respect for one another's spiritual uniqueness instead of trying to find doctrinal agreement, it could be helpful to those who can't seem to fit into churches anymore. I want us all to be in the process of learning how to go on with God and love others. I'm not at all interested in sitting in the middle of my old spiritual hurts. Love, Bob

[lee (65.96.56.161)]

neither am I interested in just wallowing in the past. There has to be something beyond factnet, but what? Does anyone know of people actually leaving?

[Anonymous (149.174.164.83)]

David Henke of Watchman Fellowship is willing to help organize supportive groups in any stage of spiritual recovery. His organization attests from experience that dissident/support groups is vital in recovery.

His email address for further information is:
dhenke@watchman.org

[RJ (141.154.186.91)]

Perhaps a few forays into the past for a time is necessary to help lift the veil from the abuses at GGWO. It is a problem for many who have spoken to me that the lies and abuses continue. Is it part of the pathology of abuse victims to find moving on impossible until the abuser is somehow dealt with? I have no answers.

There are many programs, chat programs that fascilitates people talking in real time. Perhaps because we are dispersed all over the country and world, a website with a chat interface might be the next step. Whoever sets up the program can set the rulz, accept or deny applications for membership etc. There are a number of groups of people who gather together on line...with boards such as this, utilizing dedicated subject threads, chats etc.

Just an idea.

Roberta

[Anonymous (149.174.164.83)]

I know of quite a few that have left since finding this forum. I know of many others in the process of leaving. Their eyes have been opened to the truth but have not made the final step to walk away completely. Many of them are communicating privately and the leadership is unaware of the many making decisions to leave.

[Anonymous (149.174.164.83)]

RJ, Have you posted an email address? I would love to communicate with you off the board.

Cara

[Bob Brinton (151.203.187.180)]

Roberta, I agree that stuff does have to come out, and I can say things about stuff I have forgiven and dealt with, if that helps another. I'm less concerned about bringing down the spiritual abusers (that's God's job) than I am about helping people learn to reject further abuse and yet function properly with other believers. Some people just go off into other abusive relationships, as if they need that. Also, I know your physical condition makes it difficult to get out, but I believe the physical presence of others is therepeutic in itself. Perhaps we can come to you? And I don't think large gatherings of people are necessary. Even a few who empathise make a big difference. Love, Bob

[talkintruth (205.188.117.20)]

I'm not sure about the specifics of people who have left. I just know that some are leaving, and they might find their way to this board. Dare I suggest another thread (yikes) that might be a place to post info. on prayer teams in different areas/regions?

I got an email from a friend last night (she has never gone to GGWO.) Her father is a retired pastor in the area (also from a different church.) He has met people over the years who have left GG and has talked with/counseled some. His words about GGWO is that it is off the charts. In talking to her, it made me think about people who have left and others who might be leaving. Just in reading this board you can tell that people are in different places in dealing with their pain. There could be some "walking wounded" who could really use that personal prayer support.

Dealing with spiritual warfare really is warfare, and can be exhausting. Prayer support is so vital to keep the engines running. Bob - I agree about respecting that people are in different places with this. People might have info. on healthy churches in the area but shouldn't force it.
TT

[RJ (141.154.186.91)]

Cara,

My email is srfern@verizon.net

I'd love to heqar from you.

Roberta

[RJ (141.154.186.91)]

It is true Bob that physically I am unable to be out much these days and my immune system is so bad I have to wear a filter mask to see my doctor. My husband would not be comfortable with a gathering here. His feelings about GGWO are...well, complicated and I respect his need to be out of the "oragnized religion thing" altogether at this point. His wounds are deep, and though he has had therapy, Chet Farmer was the only person from the past he'd talk to. Scott is having a great fellowship with God but wants nothing to do with this board or anything else. Not sure that I blame him.

I do think people coming together is wonderful and I hope it can happen. Bob, thanks for your beautiful heart.

Roberta

[Bob Brinton (151.203.187.180)]

Roberta, I can understand and respect Scott's hesitance to trust. A lot of people are in that place. But if and when he might be open to it; there are those of us who are here and won't judge him. My brother David is another who hesitates to trust; and hey, we've all learned to be careful and selective. As the Spirit leads, I'll pray for both of you. Also; my wife Mary feels uncomfortable about my getting involved with this board. She's wrong about this one. This is a chance to encourage and rebuild. The Lord has higher ends than we've yet imagined. Let's expect great things. Love, Bob

[RJ (141.154.144.33)]

" She's wrong about this one. This is a chance to encourage and rebuild."

I have come to believe that Mary is right on about this one, Bob. Give her my love, will you?

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