Board moderation solution amp vote

[wwr (200.117.192.80)]

There is a solution for the moderation question since people seem to be so divided. Those people who would prefer a moderated (NOT CENSORED!!!) format can set up another forum, and those who prefer this impossible to sort mess can stay here.

Please do not post on this thread other than to say "YES" to the idea of a new forum for those who want to use it (doesn't mean this one will be eliminated) or "NO" to say you would not post to a moderated forum if someone decides to set one up.

[Jack Leonard (65.96.56.161)]

no

[pop (80.74.212.213)]

Only if I do it. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif yes

[Anonymous (149.174.164.83)]

NO

[Cordell Walker (66.90.181.249)]

NO

[talkintruth (152.163.253.102)]

No

[Anonymous (64.12.116.66)]

No!!

[Jack & Chris Brown (141.157.92.42)]

No

[JD Skeet (149.174.164.83)]

WWR:

Ah, so it starts here. You write your opinion above, but try to control the manner in which everyone else replies.

No, I will not subject my posts to any other censor but myself. Moderators are censors, there is nothing else that they can be. My vote does not mean that I prefer "this mess" as you call it. It means I prefer free speech to censorship and it means I am not prone to letting others call the shots for me.

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

I have been have censored/silenced long enough in this church. NO!!!

[SJ (64.12.116.66)]

NO

Some posting here, some posting there......

Just keep dividing everyone

[Anonymous (68.82.183.197)]

I agree with Sj there has been enough division already.

D.A

[EF (152.163.253.102)]

NO

[Sam Spade (200.39.208.241)]

I guess I'm the lone wolf voting yes, if only to keep the teenage twits off since mommy appears too be working late to keep them dressed in $300 Nike sneakers.

[Anonymous (68.82.183.197)]

the teenagers are pretty smart these days Sam, trust me they'll find away on any board.


DA

[Sam Spade (200.39.208.235)]

Which is why we need moderators, D.A. :0

[RTS (216.37.250.180)]

NO

[Anonymous (24.88.43.233)]

Those hurt and those who want to help would be better served by something other than Factnet.

I have come to the conclusion that this has created more hurt.

I hope the Leonards and the Brown are willing to stick their necks out and help beyond the board and email like efforts.

I have been.

If fact I will put my money where my mouth is..

Neil

PS If you don't believe go ask Keri and others in my family.

I hope those who have tried to help including those I just mention understand I am frustrated that nothing is going to happen until we get beyond this board.

[just thinking (4.245.74.246)]

no

[Anonymous (4.155.30.27)]

NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

MW

[Anonymous (68.33.184.79)]

Neil. please leave us alone...It was nice while you were not posting...thanks

[SJ (205.188.117.20)]

Neil,
I appreciate your posts and also your heart. What you have gone through and are going through adds much insight and is valuable to this board. God bless you and your family

SJ

[Isabella (207.7.201.36)]

NO!

[Louise Connolly (24.128.24.65)]

No

[RJ (141.154.186.91)]

No...Skip,you should have known the answer would be no except for good old SS...*grin*

Roberta

[Anonymous (4.139.90.188)]

Nice try GGWO...NO WAY! I've had it with your manipulation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


SO GET LOST!

[Jack leonard (65.96.56.161)]

Neil, you are right in a way. FactNet is a meeting place for all kinds of people, but we can't do in-depth counseling, prayer, reconciliation and so on here. For that reason, several people have left email addresses and you can be reassured that posters are talking outside of FactNet. We have also offered numerous books and counseling services for those interested.

FactNet meets other needs as well. This is the most comprehensive and easily accessible reference on TBS/GGWO ever available! In addition, there is real healing in just telling one's story, hearing others who have gone through similar things, making contact with old friends, making new friends, and enjoying the liberty of free speech, open confession, and using Holy Spirit gifts of discernment to decide for oneself what is worthy and what is dross. We don't have to have someone tell what to read and what not to read!

For those reasons, I say again, NO to a moderated board!
Jack

[Anonymous (4.139.90.188)]

As far as your moderation board idea is concerned; an Argentine expression says it all:

"Anda a la Re-puta que te pario, Trolo de mierda!"

Chau!

[muskyrose (64.12.117.20)]

I also would have to say no to a moderated board. People need to feel they can express themselves freely here no matter what that is.
and yes sometimes we do have to read what is not being said because of the fear factor already present. A moderated board would serve no purpose but to those who wish to silence those who disagree.

>>>>>>>>-----Bonnie

[Anonymous (24.88.43.233)]

Actually you missed my point.

It is time to move to helping hurting people via an institution.

I don't think that most of us here have the abilities to do it.

It will take an institution with finacial resources.

Like I said I am willing to put my money into the effort.

I don't think others will.

I know of some real groups that will help and frankly this board is a success two months ago and growing into a huge failure now.

There is to much here to fix bia some good and willing people.

I am part of many groups including some of the largest denominations in the world. I do church consulting and if you have half a brain you would know this much is true.

[Bob Brinton (151.203.178.113)]

NO.

[RJ (141.154.186.91)]

"frankly this board is a success two months ago and growing into a huge failure now."

People talking openly about GGWO past and present can in no way be considered a failure. There were times when I dispaired I would ever be able to voice my outrage, my fears, my hopes for people I once loved, my questions etc. For me and countless others, just the fact this board exists at all is a miracle.

It doesn't matter one iota that we have also drawn the defenders, the hateful and disruptive to this place. They takes nothing away from the intake of hope in each breath that pehaps this insanity called GGWO might be stopped from injuring one person...bodily, financially, spiritually...No effort is a failure just because it has it's detractors. On the contrary...we have hit a nerve. This board had it existed years ago would have made me stop and think about things. THAT makes it worth it.

We must continue I agree to evolve from this starting point. But God bless this starting point, God bless every single poster, reader and person who may take a peek out of curiosity.

We'll evolve from her, be assured. But..despise not the day of small beginnings. Baby steps, be they tiny, eventually will get the baby where he needs to go.

Roberta

[Anonymous (24.88.43.233)]

Roberta,

I can promise you in my wifes case not a single soul called her or responded.

Zero.

Our pain is years old.

Is that a high success rate?

It will take more than tiny steps. It will take intentional steps to connect to an institution those who have been hurt.

My family had discussions with a major group 2 years ago about what we went through who have posted things about GGWO for years.

That experaince has made me regret ever seeking out help.

To be stepped on while your are being beat up on is pretty tough.

In His Peace,

Neil Carrick

neil@1works.net

[Anonymous (4.139.15.103)]

24.88 or Neil or whomever you may be...

Was the statement "if you have half a brain you would know this much is true" necessary?
Additionally, please don't use the present tense "have" in the same sentence as the past tense "would" That's "had" not "have." But I digress...

WHY do you feel so compeled to fix this situation? We are all adults on this forum and the leadership at GGWO are grown men too; NOT helpless innocents.

How dare you presume that you might know what is best for others on this board. Quite frankly, your dramatic exit and return have demonstrated just how unstable you really are.
Please, PLEASE get yourself some counseling and concentrate on you and your family's healing process BEFORE worrying about others.
There are plenty represented here who are further along in the healing process and can "carry the gauntlet" so to speak. These intelligent people are Spirit led and capable of prayerful intercession and interjection if necessary. Yet they do NOT nor will NOT interfere with others process of healing. [Just like Jesus!]

Hoping you'll give some consideration to what's been shared.

[RJ (141.154.186.91)]

Neil, with all due respect, this might be the time to seek professional help for you and your wife, so that you can better cope with your present situation. To all who have asked me about someone neutral to talk to I have recommended a Christian therapist or a secular therapist. I doubt a satisfactory result of your situation with GGWP can materialize until you work through the many personal issues you seem to have. Believe me we all have them.

My husband and I both discovered in the years after we exited the ministry that we both have clinical depression and were also carrying deep pain from the experience with TBS. Nothing could be resolved with the pain from the church until we faced the possibility that out problems might have an underlying issue. Thankfully we both sought and received help.

I think the unfortunate use of the word "unstable" by another poster might better be articulated as "confused". You are in a serious situation and if it is overwhelming to be posting on the board here, perhaps taking a break from reading here might help.

I offer these suggestions gently and with much regard for your pain and circumstance.I will continue to pray that you find resolution and peace.

Roberta

[Cara (205.188.117.20)]

Neil, I have given you this same advice both here on the forum and privately. It is you who must act and save your marriage and your wife. Seek more than just a lawyer, seek counseling. I offered you Erik's group a long time ago.

I believe David Henke conveyed this also. You have beaten and abused by Gg, you have not recovered from your abuse. That was evident when you started posting here and stated that you and Keri were having difficulties in your marriage as the story from 6 years ago was unfolding once again. You are not equipped to lead this. Not for any reason other than you need to recover first. We all love you and Keri, your heart is kind and good but you both need healing. Please seek it.

Cara

[Anonymous (207.44.132.115)]

Beating up on Neil now that makes a lot of sense from the do gooders here.


None of yuou here want to help him or for that matter his wife or anyhbody else here. It is more lies.

None of the groups you mentioned by anybody is equiped to help Neil or anybody.

It seems you are hear for other reasons. That has become self evident.

[Anonymous (207.44.132.115)]

BTW Erics group is not capable of dealing with people outside of Maryland.

Go read his site and go speak to him on the phone.

I think you will find that there isn't a single group that is interested in helping here with the attacks like the last few on Neil.

Turn on your own, makes real practical sense. None of the last few posts make sense. If Neil is hurt or abused in the manner you suggest the last few things yoou have said or cutting into wounds. I hope I have not Neil by saying what I have.

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

[Anonymous (4.139.18.129)]

Attack?

No 207 this is an attack..."Why don't you go fu__ yourself!" etc, etc, etc...

On the contrary, others have gently suggested that Neil Carrick should place the burden of this tormenting responsiblity down until he has experienced more healing. His posts make it very apparent that he continues to be wounded and would benefit from some professional intervention to help him sort things out!

Quit stirring things up with your divisive comments; this poor man and his family have been through enough without your "two cents" so SHUT UP!

As a matter of fact; think an attack of your divisive spirit is appropriate so...why don't you just get off this board *******!

[Anonymous (207.44.134.33)]

Wow,

whats with the tone of here?

This really helps people like Neil. NOT!

Sounds like you need an intervention, no maybe an emema....

Love ya Sir.....


Fini

[Anonymous (207.44.134.33)]

Get um. Get um good.

Thats funny.

I mean get them, get them good.

[Anonymous (66.98.226.42)]

Thats was not funny!
http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif
http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/sad.gif

;)

[Anonymous (24.88.32.43)]

clearing the garbage to the bottom.

[Anonymous (24.88.32.43)]

I wrote Factnet for us.

The can ban my ip number if they ban the others.

I hope than ban all the numbers of the person flooding.

Neil

[Anonymous (141.154.144.33)]

you've flooded this board for weeks neil,no one likes it.

[Anonymous (24.88.32.43)]

141.154.144.33

I didn't generalize about people going to hell either.

[Anonymous (24.88.32.43)]

.

[Anonymous (68.82.183.197)]

do something Satan doesn't want you to do tonight....PRAY

[Anonymous (141.154.144.33)]

Anon 68...do something we want you to do....stop screwing up the board and go pray