Is Roberta Mean Spirited

[Anonymous (24.88.43.233)]

What does Roberta really want?

Does she want to destroy the ministries of GGWO.

Does she feel like she can help people who have been hurt? Few, Many, Most, or ALL

Is it fair to call a person a liar, be conmfronted that you yourself lied in doing so, and excuse it because you feel like you have a greater cause. In other words do two wrongs make a right?

Does she have the right to judge people she has never met?

What are her intentions? Not her vague pronouncements?

Has DSS checked out her claims?

She says I don't know her heart, but she acts like she knowns the hearts of others. Isn't this hypocritical thinking?

Does she speak in mean spirited ways to people who are hurt?

More later..

[Anonymous (69.242.21.100)]

some of the claims of the people here angry with ggwo are "old" claims from the distant past.some of them have said they haven't been at ggwo in several years ,the question is why haven't they moved on ?

[Lori Argenzio (70.16.7.34)]

<FONT COLOR="aa00aa">Maybe because the factnet issue came out, and more and more people that are going through it now are coming out, and perhaps it brought up old memories of past ex-goers that just want to share what they have gone through, why should it matter if they haven't moved on yet?</FONT>

[Anonymous (24.88.43.233)]

Lor I agree with you. But instread of wanting change they want to hurt all. Including parents of children.

Why?

[Lori Argenzio (70.16.7.34)]

<FONT COLOR="aa00aa">I don't know</FONT>

[Izziesoul (209.6.151.215)]

Anon 24.88 I would like to ask you when hasn't change that was necessary hurt people? Sometimes you have to experience hurt in order to be set free. That is just a fact. Don't you think that some of our greatest personal trials and those of our country have come from wrongs that were made right by people who had the courage to stand up against all the odds? Sometimes God brings us through the fire in order to be uplifted and stronger.
After all Roberta has been through I don't doubt that she is hurt but I don't see how she couldn't be. From her posts I have truly felt she has wanted to see people heal, and have their eyes opened to lies that could ultimately affect their walk with God. What could be more important than that?. And as of late, she has definately wanted what is best for Carl Stevens. I think that is the heart of someone who truly is after the heart of Jesus. That is just how I see it. In Christ Always Iz

[Anonymous (24.88.43.233)]

Well Roberta is any of your plans to hurt anybody at GGWO? Copst anybody their jobs, their livelyhood, etc.

Or do you have some suggestion I overlooked.

I have never seen a sincere apology for what you said to me.

[Musky Rose (152.163.253.102)]

Neil, neil, neil, neil, Your doing it again. You are out of control. First you attack Maria for posting her opinion that disagrees with yours so you punnish her by starting all kinds of disquisting threads demeaning her. Now I ask you is that showing her YOUR Christian LOVE? I think not! It isn't revealing LOVE of any type what so ever. As a matter of fact it isn't revealing Christ at all. You cant ever RATIONALIZE it away. WHAT it IS, is BLATENT HARRASSMENT &amp; ABUSE. It is VERBAL ABUSE. GET IT ABUSE! It is a form of ABUSE and it needs to stop.

NOW you found you couldn't rile Maria so what have you done? Oh, you have turned your attention on Roberta. (are we sensing a pattern here?) Another WOMAN who is strong and OUTSPOKEN. WHO happens TO THINK for herself and who often DISAGREES with you. NOW, what are you doing? Once again you are creating threads that are ABUSIVE and HARRASSING of this woman. Let me REPEAT THAT, YOU ARE BEING ABUSIVE TO THIS WOMAN. Got it ABUSE. You are NOT expressing your opinion. You are being ABUSIVE. You are HARASSING &amp; ABUSIVE.

I Could go into the reasons as to why why I suspect you are doing this but I am sure you would take offense if I refer to anything regarding your mental capacity so I shall refrain from doing do. In any case This must end. You are doing no one any good by railing, stalking, and pretending to be a caring "Christian" brother.

You know the verse that says, "by their fruit you shall know them?" Well, I think your fruit is not very good at the moment and if you don't stop it will turn rotten very fast.

So, now is it my turn to be demeaned and stalked?
Because if it is, Have at it Bub. I really don't care. I KNOW WHAT I SEE AND I SEE YOU VERY CLEARLY.

>>>>>>>>>>>---Bonnie

[Cara (64.12.117.20)]

My Oh My.. I have been away a couple of days with other priorities. Reading over these latest posts, I have this observation: Many of us disagree on some points, some of us agree on all points and a few disagree with everyone on all points. But that said, there is still with Christian witness evident here. The principles of our faith practiced. We are all walking the same walk so there is a flow. Because of that flow, it is obvious when someone amongst us is not in the flow. It is like a school of fishes all swimming in one direction and along comes a lone fish and barrels in the school, going the exact opposite way. Bam! Fish scatter, confusion reigns and it takes awhile for the flow to be restored. As a little fish in the flow, I cannot know the motivation of that lone fish swimming in the wrong direction, none of us can. But it obviously to all, our lone fish is not in the flow. I have no solution and no malice in this observation. I really love the lone fish but I wish he could see what we all observe. I wish he would consider the benefits of the flow.

Cara

[lee (65.96.56.161)]

You said it beautifully Cara.....and Bonnie.

I don't want to see anyone else driven or scared away from here. I for one appreciate reading what others write. I learn from all of you. I treasure getting to know you all this way. I hope we can preserve this and make the way possible for others to join. I hope they will feel welcome to speak whatever is on their hearts and mind without fear of reprisal.

[Roberta (141.154.144.33)]

Thanks Izzie.

[lee (65.96.56.161)]

Izzie, I just read your post to Roberta and I give it a hearty amen.

I don't know Roberta to be mean spirited at all. She represents to me someone that would bend over backwards to help. She would go the distance. She seems to be someone that is like a palm tree in the middle of a storm. They are so flexible they can be blown to the ground and still come back upright.

She's also someone that will fight like a bulldog for the distressed and hurting. What an advocate. I appreciate her voice here.

I don't always know what to say to those with an agenda to discredit or those that are unstable. Hopefully together, we can keep the postings in the right spirit and can sway those that would want to come here to fight a meaningless unprofitable battle. We certainly have weathered alot since the beginning!

I think we all enjoy the debates and challenges, the disagreements....we can all learn but the other stuff just has to go. Agree??

[Anon B (64.12.117.20)]

I appreciate you being here, Roberta.

[Anonymous (24.88.34.73)]

How is telling lies and making false open ended accusations about abuse Godly.

When she makes mistakes she doesn't repent she blames GGWO.

If she says something that is actually off and she finds out she blames somebody else and taken no responsibility.

How is that of the spirit of God?

[Roberta (141.154.144.33)]

Thanks Anon B...

[Anonymous (24.172.44.98)]

Its ok to tell lies as long your own a certain side?

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

You are right, Neil. None of the so-called child abuse Roberta brings up OVER and OVER and OVER has been substantiated. And she keeps posting to the supposed victims to contact her....it's as if she is seeking out victims of her imagined abuses.
Reality is that the entire situation is exaggerated and blown out of proportion.
No one challenges these accusations for proof or facts. Neil is the first one to challenge it and of course he gets attacked for it

[Roberta (141.154.144.33)]

Thanks Lee.

[Cara (205.188.117.20)]

Well, I have not spoken of the abuses I know of. Because I did not bring them to this forum doesn't mean they don't exist. I know of many body members that have spoken of firsthand accounts of sexual child molestation, sexual child abuse, sexual assault on children. I know of four firsthand accounts of either child molestation and sexual assault on a minor. These all occurred back during Lenox days. I have only recently heard about them from now adult children. They do not want to talk about them, or make public what happened to them. But it did happen. So please stop trying to minimize Roberta's heart for the abused. She is a spirit-led, tender souled lady. She identifies with the victim and if anyone knows anything about abuse. It is difficult for us to identify with the vicims, it is ugly and it costs us too much. Time and time again you find that the majority identify with the abuser. It is easier on the soul to believe that the ulginess of abuse is not happening. But it does.

[Anonymous (24.31.209.78)]

Cara,

If it is real than this is not the place to be discussing it. In front of a DSS officer is the place or to one of the agencies that handles this. You are suggesting ny yopur thread it is ok to ignore the law, and ignore the desires of people.

How would you like if one of your children awas abaused, came here, and was lied to about something?

Why do you suggest it hasn't been down?

To make open ended accusations is not biblical by any means.

I think it is sad that peoples desire is to destroy not help.

If you or Roberta are serious why don't you avoid dragging kids and discussions about children here.

It makes the whole argument questionable.

Its like what is your real intention to do this?

If it was to warn people, why don't you do with something that can be backed up? If its not real than don't bring it up.

If its real and the person doesn't want it discussed to the authorities be of good counsel and encourage the person to get help and stay off the front line.

Its like throwing a wounded soldier to the front line and saying, don't worry it will be anonymous. Have fun bleeding.

That kind of treatment for anybody is mean. I don't care if they are adults now, they need to be taken out of the lime light if that is there desire. And neither Cara or Roberta needs to serve as proxy for them.

It makes everything questionable.

I know more real stories than either 2 of you. I was a grace hour counselor for years and frankly I know names, people, and even who got arrested. I won't get on here and throw there lives into chaos to proove a point.

That is why these things get posted. To hurt others who have already been hurt to reinforce the idea of how evil some ministry is.

Well if your help is this kind of help, I think I stick with the church. At least they won't get on a board and call you things after you been hurt, and belittle you family.

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

No, they just do it from the stage.

[Anonymous (24.31.209.78)]

To Maria T and Bonnie and whoever is writing this bologna about Neil and my family I certainly don't appreciate it. Who do you think you are? You claim to be Christians who know the truth. Truth from whose point of view? Yours? If that's the case than it is merely an opinion. The last time I checked the Word of God is the truth.Are you GOD? Do you know Neil's heart? If Neil writes something you are offended by you certainly do not turn the other cheek, in fact you choose to write something that is not only hateful but elevates you in your flesh. You get upset when he says something about you back but expect him not to be upset when you were the one who started the conversation. That sounds fair doesn't it. Everthing that I have just read that you have posted is at its best slanderous.You don't build up Neil in truth and in love you tear him down which elevates yourself and puts you on a pedestool.That is not God's love,grace or mercy.It is also not motivated from the Holy Spirit. In fact it seems to be the opposite. Your opinions of people what you choose to write about them the subjects you bring up are certainly not lined up with what the Bible says the way a christian should behave. DO you know better than God? Did you die on the cross for everyones sins? Do you know the end from the beginning? What gives you the right to post your opinions on this page. God buried everyones sins in the deepest sea according to the Bible who are you to bring things up? You know one day we will all stand before God and we will not be able to use our emotions as an excuse for why we mistreated people when we knew the truth. I married Neil because I fell in love with the compassion he had for people. HE has never wanted to do anything but help people and when he does they turn around use him and walk all over him.I left because he was trying to do for other people when we had very little ourselves. I got tired of seeing him help people when I knew they were just using him. The only reason he even posts here is because he cares about people. He wants Greater Grace Church to do what is right which is repent before the congregation and have them seek help for those people who actually want it and want to be reconciled back with the Church. And for those of you who thinks he spends excessive time on factnet how would you know unless you are on there as much time as well. DO you even know who I am ? What I go through is not anyone's business it is between me and God. My marriage is none of your business whether or not I get along with Neil is none of your business.I love him and that is all that matters.The Bible says that sAtan comes to kill,steal and destroy. DO not let Satan be victorious do not let him use you to accomplish his goals. You need to go get down on your knees and repent for posting such slanderous things about my husband and my family. God's mercies are new every morning . God is faithful even when we are not. MY family and I are not suffering. Everything anybody goes through has been ordained by God from the beginning of time. People who call themselves Christians need to really think about what they are saying when they post here and think about consequences to decisions they make before they make them. The BIble is in black and white.There is no gray either the things you do and the choices you make are for God's kingdom or for Satans. Love in Christ,and prayers for those who have been hurt and are hurting. God is the answer what is your question. Keri Carrick

[Anonymous (24.31.209.78)]

Thankls Cara! Shows how much you care for Neil! Jeannie you seem to be willing to be nice to some who hurt and then when they are not on your side, you forget about their hurt. What do you call that?

[Anonymous (24.31.209.78)]

To Maria T and Bonnie and whoever is writing this bologna about Neil and my family I certainly don't appreciate it. Who do you think you are? You claim to be Christians who know the truth. Truth from whose point of view? Yours? If that's the case than it is merely an opinion. The last time I checked the Word of God is the truth.Are you GOD? Do you know Neil's heart? If Neil writes something you are offended by you certainly do not turn the other cheek, in fact you choose to write something that is not only hateful but elevates you in your flesh. You get upset when he says something about you back but expect him not to be upset when you were the one who started the conversation. That sounds fair doesn't it. Everthing that I have just read that you have posted is at its best slanderous.You don't build up Neil in truth and in love you tear him down which elevates yourself and puts you on a pedestool.That is not God's love,grace or mercy.It is also not motivated from the Holy Spirit. In fact it seems to be the opposite. Your opinions of people what you choose to write about them the subjects you bring up are certainly not lined up with what the Bible says the way a christian should behave. DO you know better than God? Did you die on the cross for everyones sins? Do you know the end from the beginning? What gives you the right to post your opinions on this page. God buried everyones sins in the deepest sea according to the Bible who are you to bring things up? You know one day we will all stand before God and we will not be able to use our emotions as an excuse for why we mistreated people when we knew the truth. I married Neil because I fell in love with the compassion he had for people. HE has never wanted to do anything but help people and when he does they turn around use him and walk all over him.I left because he was trying to do for other people when we had very little ourselves. I got tired of seeing him help people when I knew they were just using him. The only reason he even posts here is because he cares about people. He wants Greater Grace Church to do what is right which is repent before the congregation and have them seek help for those people who actually want it and want to be reconciled back with the Church. And for those of you who thinks he spends excessive time on factnet how would you know unless you are on there as much time as well. DO you even know who I am ? What I go through is not anyone's business it is between me and God. My marriage is none of your business whether or not I get along with Neil is none of your business.I love him and that is all that matters.The Bible says that sAtan comes to kill,steal and destroy. DO not let Satan be victorious do not let him use you to accomplish his goals. You need to go get down on your knees and repent for posting such slanderous things about my husband and my family. God's mercies are new every morning . God is faithful even when we are not. MY family and I are not suffering. Everything anybody goes through has been ordained by God from the beginning of time. People who call themselves Christians need to really think about what they are saying when they post here and think about consequences to decisions they make before they make them. The BIble is in black and white.There is no gray either the things you do and the choices you make are for God's kingdom or for Satans. Love in Christ,and prayers for those who have been hurt and are hurting. God is the answer what is your question. Keri Carrick

[Anonymous (24.88.34.73)]

Bump@

[Anonymous (68.33.60.157)]

;)

[Anonymous (68.33.60.157)]

Anonymous (205.188.117.20)
Saturday, July 31, 2004 - 09:59 pm
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"the Roberta Show is getting old"

Couldn't agree more, but she still keeps performing her bad routines. How about a real exit with no more encores, Roberta?

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

68.33 why don't you just give it a rest and leave Roberta alone for a change. Pick on someone else. Better yet, why not just go to the Lord in prayer instead of tearing down your fellow sister.

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Amen.