Barbara Stevens Where Are You

[Anonymous (4.139.15.102)]

How much longer can you withhold the truth?
This is an "AWESOME" opportunity for you to speak the truth!
No wonder you have migrane headaches my dear!!

We are waiting...

[Anonymous (4.139.90.239)]

Does anyone out there know how I might reach Elizabeth Dovydenas?
Quite frankly I feel as if I've been raped by this old man and his organization and need her empathy and understanding right now.

Thanks

[Cordell Walker (66.90.181.249)]

Elizabeth Dovydenas and her husband Jonas still reside in Lenox MA. They still own the old campus as far as I know and have turned it into a center for the arts.

[Anonymous (4.139.3.179)]

Thanks kind Cordell!

Sincerely,

4.139.90.239

[Anonymous (4.139.12.20)]

Gee i wonder if the topic of this board is what ****ed pastor stevens off?

[Anonymous (4.139.12.20)]

Barbara don't be afraid to do the right thing.

The right thing is NOT covering your husbands gross abuse of his flock's trust and loyalty.

Please, PLEASE speak out on the issues. You alone can silence the many tongues. These tongues bitter and justifying belong to people who have been disillusioned by your husband's lack of personal responsibility. Don't you see this?

I know you are hurting more than any of us!

Please, your truth is so needed right now! At least encourage your husband to do the right thing and confess the error of his ways!

His dream is slipping through his fingers if he doesn't step up to the plate soon!

[Anonymous (141.157.75.224)]

We hope to all use only one Thread again for everything. This is too confusing. Please use only Thread 9.

[pop (80.74.210.203)]

Who cares.

[Anonymous (4.139.33.121)]

80 You may be onto something!

[Anonymous (4.139.33.121)]

Mrs. Stevens, you are an attractive individual. However, have you ever considered a makeover in New York City? In my opinion there is NOTHING uglier than a middle-aged woman walking around with long hair! It drags one's face down and conjures images of wanting to stay young. Well hon, you look absolutely absurd, ridiculous and undignified with that mop. I'm sure your husband wants you to look like the likes of Loretta Lynn or some other "Prarie Sweetheart." But I'm afraid the desired effect has resulted in the look of a "teenie-bopper" wanna-be! Atleast wear the hair up!

P.S. Please buy yourself some nice channel suits!God knows you can probably afford them.
I'm afraid at times you dress like my teenage daughter.

P.S.S Also PLEASE quite chewing gum in church. You and many other women at GGWO appear to be chewing their cuds!


P.S.S.S. Please consider my suggestions; after all, you are a "trend setter" to women "body members" at GGWO.

[SJ (152.163.253.102)]

4.139.33.121,

Sometimes you are very cruel...is that really necessary??

[Anonymous (4.139.33.206)]

Hey, I thought this board was for releasing our tears, fears and anger. Perhaps this is my way of grieving.

Cruelty was not the intent; however, constructive criticism was.

Admit it, if you are a woman you can't tell me that you haven't thought the same thing at times.

Mini skirts and long hair are inappropriate for women beyond a certain age.

[Anonymous (65.96.153.178)]

4:139

It is a truth in life that Rejected people reject people, and hurt people hurt people. What is your excuse and does it justify such distain? Your tongue is a fire. Why don't you honestly just say what happened to you and how you were offended rather than emotionally lashing out and lowering yourself to such a degrading level and attacking someone who has nothing to do with the resolution of your pain.

[Anonymous (4.139.33.206)]

Think what you will; but the last time I checked we live in a country where First Ammendment rights still exist!

[Anonymous (4.139.33.206)]

Oh and by the way 65; I didn't WRITE these memos with my tongue!

[pop (80.74.210.161)]

I should send my photos to 4.193 to get good advises.
Maybe the next pastor has a wife that you like?

[Anonymous (4.139.33.221)]

To Pastor's Scibelli's & Schaeller's wifes, PLEASE USE THIS BOARD,FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE SPEAK UP!
Tell the true.

[Anonymous (80.74.211.60)]

Do they know why she is no coming to the church?

[Anonymous (4.139.12.183)]

80.74.211.60 or anyone else for that matter:

Did Barbara Stevens attend GGWO this evening?

[Anonymous (152.163.253.102)]

4.139,
Why are you so obsessed with Barbara Stevens?
Get a life!!

[Anonymous (4.139.12.183)]

Sounds like your life is as full as mine; since your reading what I've written.

Think about it!

[Pam P. (12.77.54.178)]

Leave Barbara alone. She is a nice lady. If you don't like her hair, don't look at it. Grow up and get a life.

[Anonymous (4.139.12.183)]

Dear Pam,

Your suggestion of not looking at her hair brought a smile. Good for you standing up for one who is apparently an old friend. If someone as feisty as you is her friend I'm sure she is a nice lady.
Your loyalty to her is commendable. However, don't you agree that perhaps she could encourage her husband to do the right thing; to take some personal responsibility for this mess.

I don't mean to be redundant, but your unimaginative response of "get a life" leaves me no alternative accept ask that you consider what I told 152.163.253.102, your life is as full as mine since you are reading what I've written also.

Respectfully-

4.139

P.S. By the way, my compliments to you on how you dealt with Maria T.

[Anonymous (4.139.12.183)]

P.S.S.

I make no apology for my "poisonous quill." Perhaps it will provoke some people of their complacency and release me of the helpless that I am feeling after my GGWO experience!

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

4.139.12.183,

You are a living example of James 3:6-9.(if you still own a bible,look it up)

Your tongue is definitely set on fire by hell and full of deadly poison

[Anonymous (4.139.12.183)]

I guess it takes one to know one-

Think it over before you continue your judgemental statements of me!

My Bible reads that God judges the heart and since you don't know mine I would suggest you keep your thoughts between you and our Creator.

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

4.139,
It's not too hard to see your heart. "Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh"
And we have all seen the kinds of things your mouth speaks

[Anonymous (4.139.12.183)]

Dear 205. aka JD,

Before I go to sleep I'd like to say God Bless you.

You do get around boy!

Your's, like it or not, in Christ-

4.139

[Anonymous (4.139.12.183)]

I keep tellin' ya- My fingers type!

Once again God bless and good night!

4.139

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

BTW, I am not JD. You have no idea who I am. Not one of your guesses tonite has been right

[Anonymous (4.139.12.183)]

Okay! My anonymous brother or sister in Christ!
Thanks for your concern and for sharing on the board.

Good night and God bless you! I to consider and pray about your concerns my sibling in Christ!

[Pam P. (12.77.49.13)]

To Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 11:59 pm
Barbara really isn't a friend to me. I barely know her. I just think it is very unkind to comment on her appearance. I must admit, though, there have been many things I have read and laughed about on this board that I shouldn't have.
Thanks for your compliment. Maria will always have the last word no matter what I say. Seemingly she cannot receive; she only gets offended. I don't know why I expected anything different.
Pam Purvis

[anonymous (152.163.253.102)]

Hey, Barbara showed up at a banquet once with a great new hairstyle. She ditched the 80's curls and had a beautifully updated style. Pastor Stevens HATED it!! He made her change it back right afterward. If he's so controlling over this huge body of thousands of people, just imagine what it must be like to be his wife. Take it easy, would ya!

[Pam P. (198.200.181.206)]

It's no secret that Pastor Stevens is a huge fan of long hair.
Pam

[Pam P. (198.200.181.206)]

on women only!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pam

[Anonymous (152.163.253.102)]

To: Barbara Stevens;

Come on Barbara, your becoming Tammy Wynette in the Hilary Clinton sense of the word. Your a kind person but your silence condoning his behaviors is pretty creepy for a Pastors wife.

[Anonymous (152.163.253.102)]

Does any one remember the movie from the 70's called "The Stepford Wives" ?
There is a remake coming out very soon but does not seem to be as sadly comical as the first one.
P.Stevens has always required the same type conformity from women in the weirdest sense that this movie portrayed.

[Anonymous (4.139.90.80)]

Barbie?

[Anonymous (67.208.13.4)]

As someone implied, Barbara's headaches are likely a symptom of her stress caused by the domineering relationship of living with Pastor Stevens. You don't need to be a physician to figure that one out.
But it is submission to your husband in the extreme. Her 74 year old husband wants her to dress and wear her hair as if she is a 21 year old bible school student.
She is becoming more like Tammy Faye Baker as time goes on.
Barbara, stop it already !

[Anonymous (4.139.18.209)]

Ken?

[Anonymous (68.82.183.197)]

>>Does any one remember the movie from the 70's called "The Stepford Wives" ?
There is a remake coming out very soon but does not seem to be as sadly comical as the first one.
P.Stevens has always required the same type conformity from women in the weirdest sense that this movie portrayed. >>>

You are really reaching there

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Barbara has been a mess for years. Leave her alone. She and Pastor have the same problem. I don't need to spell it out.

[Anonymous (4.139.27.250)]

D-R-U...

[Anonymous (4.139.27.250)]

B-A-D H-A-I-R

[Anonymous (64.12.116.66)]

4.139.

G-R-O-W U-P!

[Anonymous (4.139.27.250)]

W-H-E-R-E I-S Y-O-U-R S-E-N-S-E O-F H-U-M-O-R

[Anonymous (64.12.116.66)]

not where yours is

[Anonymous (149.174.164.83)]

The sequel is coming out soon for The Stepford Wives. That ought to be interesting. She looks like a bad drag queen. I do have a sense of humor! Now let's move on. I have a headache now or is it........

[Anonymous (141.157.101.91)]

You ladies mock and poke fun at Barbara yet you haven't spent even 15 minutes in her company have you?????????????

Perhaps if you did you would be more moved with the compassion of Jesus Christ.

Sad thing is, you attack her and the precious lady isn't even here to defend herself.

I do have one question of you so perfect ladies in here.......If Jesus is the potter and we are the clay, and He molds us and makes us to be more like Him, who are we to tear someone down because of the way they look? Doesn't God look on the heart? I don't think when we all get to heaven that God will be too worried about what Barbara's hair looks like then, or yours for that matter.

Shaking my head

[Anonymous (66.30.49.45)]

You said it well,Shaking.
People, please stop these yucky, unkind jabs at this poor woman!
She has had migraines since at least her single Lenox days. I remember hearing the gossip that Pastor Stevens was taking his time deciding whether to marry her or another lady. The gossip claimed that he told her she had to get victory over her headaches before he could choose her..
Maybe that's when the use of strong painkillers got a stronghold in her life...
In many ways she has been a victim of this man's weird charismatic personalty...like some of us?!
LET US HAVE COMPASSION!!!

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

It would be more credible to post examples of her poor character rather than her personal style.

[Anonymous (66.30.49.45)]

God looks at the heart not at a person's hairdo anyway. Making fun of someone's appearance is something your mothers should have trained you long ago never to do...

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Addendum: That was not to say that her character is poor. I don't know her; therefore, I would not surmise.

[Anonymous (152.163.253.102)]

To 66.30.49.45

Thank God. Afterall look at that bad rug that Pastor has worn all these years. He looks ridiculous with that thing on his head. I guess that should be another message site?

[Anonymous (69.136.228.150)]

Mock and gossip about a innocent and defenseless woman of God an touch a pastor's wife and how can sleep at night knowing that you are gutless anonymous bastards who have nothing better to do than hurt and already hurting woman because of your scandal you have created. I would love to know you all personally so I could break every one of you mouths. You just love to mock and hurt people. Barbara Stevens is a wonderful woman you has server her husband loyally, stood with me, and love me personally when I found out that I could be in a wheelchair because of a serious injury to my back. I know she prays for you all to because you need prayer. Nice Christianity attack a woman of God. Find me one day at church and say to me what you say so freely anonymously like cowards and I will personally break you in half like one of David’s men defending her honor. You might say that is not Christian, it is more Christian to defend the honor of my Pastor’s wife and the honor of a woman that has been my friend for ten years. Come find me cowardly suckers.

Pastor Teddy Awad

[Anonymous (4.139.3.175)]

First of all, the board would like to thank you for joining our "little forum."

Hopefully, you will be a trend setter and the other pastors will jump on board soon and answer a few of our questions.

Secondly, thank you for revealing the TRUE heart of the leadership at GGWO.

NO ONE WAS MOCKING BARBARA STEVENS! We were just hoping to bait someone, such as yourself, for a response or reaction; in hopes of shaking those in leadership OUT OF THEIR COMPLACENCY! Mission accomplished! Perhaps now there will be a domino effect and others will come forth too. The dam appears to be leaking...

Those infavor of the truth are wondering how you, as a former drug addict, can defend the likes of a prescription junkie?

Finally, what's with the crude street talk and ugly threats "Pastor"?

Don't you realize you may be threatening women or teenage children?

It will be interesting to observe what the "leadership" is going to you; considering the fact that you are now a "smoking gun."

[Anonymous (4.139.3.175)]

Perhaps they will be more lenient with you considering your millions! But you still substantiate our suspicions about this church!!!

[Anonymous (141.157.101.91)]

Some people need to just shut their mouths.

[Anonymous (141.157.101.91)]

Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 12:16 am
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4.139,
It's not too hard to see your heart. "Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh"
And we have all seen the kinds of things your mouth speaks

[Anonymous (149.174.164.83)]

You are right, 4.139. It certainly doesn't strenghten the cause of the GGWO apologists to have yet another pastor spewing hatred.

[Anonymous (4.139.3.175)]

Hey Pastor Teddy,

You should've used the designated "CAT FIGHT" board for your vendetta!

[Anonymous (4.139.3.175)]

Just kidding! Use whatever board you want to speak the truth! We are just grateful to know that someone from leadership has FINALLY spoken up. Maybe now we can get down to some facts and the healing can truly begin! What do you say?

[Anonymous (69.136.228.150)]

Come get me you gutless bastards(unsaved) cowards you can attack me by bring up my past of being a former drug addict and attack a woman of God and say she has a prescription drug problem. What are you sins? You are a real coward please come to me or my home and I will show you what it means to defend a woman of honor. She and her family mean so much to me and i love them unconditionally. They gave me Christ who saved my life from living in a garbage dumpster and sick in the personal choices of sin because they just loved me. By the way, I am on medical leave of absence and not in leadership at the church. I am very sick, have seven herniated disks and four bulging, and will be in a wheelchair if the degeneration does not stop. I just was so sick and disgusted that you would attack a defenseless woman and mock her pointlessly. For what purpose do you have in life, you have confused enough young believers and hurt thousands worldwide. I am a very tender and loving man and have helped thousands of young adults get their lives together just like the Stevens family has done for me. You have just hurt me so much with countless lies and you coward anonymity. If you have something to say just say it like I did and put your name on it.
Pastor Teddy Awad

[Anonymous (12.77.54.130)]

4.139, it will never happen. Read the posts - most recently by Loretta and Katie, and 141.157.101.91 - after what Teddy said she accuses YOU using a scripture about the mouth speaking the abundance of the heart! Its unreal that these people think they reflect the heart of God! What they really reflect is the same heart of what Teddy represents.

[Anonymous (149.174.164.83)]

Anon 2:06 am - I understand your anger. I would be angry, too, if things like this were being said about my friend(s). But look at how you have allowed yourself to be provoked. You and WWR have been the ONLY representative pastors on this board. What can we observers deduce from your postings?

[Anonymous (12.77.54.130)]

Teddy, I'm sorry about your back and what you have to go through but you have no right to decide who is saved and who isn't. As a pastor, your tongue should have been tamed a long time ago.
People who have posted their names here have gotten attacked by all sides. You have got to be crazy to ask anyone to post their real name.

[Anonymous (149.174.164.83)]

There are no answers to questions, only diversionary tactics. It's simple. Answer the questions that are being asked.

[Anonymous (149.174.164.83)]

Better yet. If you don't know the answers to the questions being asked - asked those who do. See what happens when you do.

[Anonymous (69.136.228.150)]

I apologize for misrepresenting Christ in any manner. I personally love Barbara and Pastor deeply and it is just enough. Please in tears, let them live in peace. I apologized if I threatened any anyone. The only way you haters listen is if you hear it in your own hateful lingo. I was saying it so the haters could just hear it load, clear, and face the facts that they are just cowards hiding behind a bulletin board to attack people whenever they do not like a person. It is just not the kindness of Christ and I would happily instruct anyone in a lesson or two. That is the only way a cowardice rat like to hear it straight to the point. I represent not the ministry or any one except my own hurt and pain filled days because of my medical ;eave of absence.
Pastor Teddy

[Anonymous (12.77.54.130)]

Too late Teddy - the real you has already come out to play.

[Anonymous (149.174.164.83)]

You seem like a nice man. I know it's probably hard for you to believe some of these things, especially about people who have treated you well. But I do believe that most of these allegations are based in truth. I have no interest in either tearning down or building up GGWO. I have interest in helping people that I care about become whole again. Many people have been hurt in the worst ways. There is deception and manipulation and lying going on. Read ALL the posts. It will take a while, but it is worth the time.

[Anonymous (69.136.228.150)]

What if that was your best friend’s wife that was being mocked and attacked?

I was not saying people are saved or not saved it just repesents that they are not because they lack the love of Christ. I love all of you and promise to pray for you and you lives, Please remember to be kind one to anyone another and if you want a lesson come find me some of you tough guys and I will show you that hurting a innocent and hurting woman is not the way to win you battles. Hate builds hate. Just keep hating. I do not hate those who have attack Pastor and Barbara, I just believe you are very cruel and have a divided heart with the lord to just hurt people that I love dearly.
Pastor teddy

Again, I represent not the church or my office the church gave me I am on medical leave of absence. Please pray for my recovery because I know some of you are truly in love with Christ. I really am sorry if anyone has hurt you from the church staff or leadership but is this the way to work things out and wound more souls.
Teddy

[Anonymous (69.136.228.150)]

Anonymous (12.77.54.130)
Sunday, May 30, 2004 - 02:33 am
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Too late Teddy - the real you has already come out to play.

Get to know me personally before you insult me like you did. You want to know the real me that lived on the mission field in Africa and got street kids of the streets hear in Maryland. You want to get to know the real me call me some time and I let you know. You have no idea who I am and what I have done in Christ. You must just love this type of hurtful games. Find me I am listed in the phone book and call me and lets have lunch I will buy you lunch just so you can really get to know me. Or just ask the hundreds of kids at the church about how much I have loved them from the trouble they lived in to where they are now living very productive Godly lives unlike yours. You can tell bitterness frozen resentment is all over you. Free your self before you bitterness cause you to get really sick. Then you will call the church for help right!

teddy

[Anonymous (149.174.164.83)]

I understand your anger. The unnecessary comments about appearance, etc just aren't appropriate. And they detract from the credibility of those posters. But the questions being asked remain. And their frustration and anger comes from not getting truthful answers. The longer the truth takes to come out, the longer the wounds will fester. Covering something that is festering will only make it rot and spread more quickly. Healing can only come from pulling back the covering and allowing light and truth to heal the wounds. Light and Truth...I think I know a guy that goes by those names...

[Anonymous (69.136.228.150)]

you are right and by his grace lot of matters will be resolved in God's timeing. i am not anger i just wept because you have no idea what pastor and his wife have done for my christianity and the love they expressed to me for the past ten years. I am sorrowful that peole have to add more hurt to hurt. just forgive and best free from frozen resentments.

[Anonymous (12.77.54.130)]

Teddy, you did call people "unsaved" - your actual quote was "gutless bastards(unsaved) cowards ." Don't try to do the usual ggwo pastor thing and backpeddle your way out of it.

[Anonymous (149.174.164.83)]

That would work if these things were merely a mis-step here or there. They aren't. It is bigger than that. I believe that God has set this into motion. The truth will come out.

[Anonymous (69.136.228.150)]

GGWO pastor thing and backpeddle your way out of it.

I am on medical leave of ABSENCE NOT As A GGWO PASTOR, LEAVE ME ALONE PLEASE I JUST WANTED TO SAY What I believe and stand for those who has stood with me. What is you obsession with me if those remarks of being unsaved affected you so much I can lead you to Christ because most people don' get offended UNLESS if the shoes fit.

Keep attacking me please I pray God would judge you dearly. I just wept because you have no idea what pastor and his wife have done for my Christianity and the love they expressed to me for the past ten years. I am sorrowful that people have to add more hurt to hurt. Just forgive and best free from frozen resentments.
TEDDY

[SJ (205.188.117.20)]

Give P.Teddy a break...everyone speaks out in anger or too hastily when they are upset. He is a pastor but he is human too. Everyone else here has defended their angry words by their pain and hurt, and he was very hurt by what he read on here

[Anonymous (69.136.228.150)]

THANK YOU SJ
TEDY

[Anonymous (64.12.116.66)]

TEDDY - Give us all a break!! Why do you defend Pastor and Barbara when you know how many people they have hurt with their prescription drug addiction, maybe it's because you have the same problem! You were fired from GGWO, not on leave of absence. You are a liar just like all the other Leaders.

[Anonymous (172.147.195.74)]

Pastor Teddy,

I have only heard of the many good things you have done for the down and hurting. Great is your reward in heaven for the lives you have personally touched and then the lives they will touch and on and on. You have been used by God greatly! I personally know the families of drug addicts that you have reached out to. Absoluutely miraculous! How thankful those families are. You have invested in many, many people. May God bless you abundantly.

Watch out for certain people on here. They remind me of that Satan character walking throughout the movie The Passion. They take glee in inflicting pain. They say horrible things and then rejoice when someone reacts. Remember, first the natural and then the spiritual. My first natural reactions also have been to take these people out but then Christ in me has victory over my flesh. I don't represent the church I go to. I am an individual believer in Christ who much appreciates the investment made in my life...and I don't have money http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

I will be praying for a total healing of your back. Don't receive anyone's natural evaluation of you. You know where you have been, how far God has brought you and who you are in Christ.

CK

[SJ (64.12.116.66)]

Great post CK!

[Anonymous (172.173.222.71)]

SJ,

It is the absolute truth. P. Teddy is a great guy who loves the Lord.

CK

[Anonymous (67.208.13.5)]

Teddy may love the Lord, but so do many of the people posting on this board more than CK will ever admit or that Teddy may not yet know.
If loving the Lord is equated with being part of the GGWO inner circle , Thank God I have been spared from that kind of love.
Teddy, you want others to get to know you and your pain which is real, but are you going to completely trample upon the pain and devestation in some of these people who disagree with you because they haven't had the same experience?

[Anonymous (172.173.222.71)]

"More than CK will ever admit"
You have no idea who I am or what I think or what I will admit.

I am not dogmatic for either "side." I choose to remain objective. I have dear friends on bothe "sides." But I am totally against the hatred and emotional outbursts that slander anyone.

I never said loving the Lord was equated with the "inner circle." The only "inner circle" I ever want to be equated with is under the shadow of His wing, in His everlasting arms and in the palm of His hand where people like you can't reach me.

CK

[Anonymous (64.12.116.66)]

So what is Barbara up to? This is not the poor Teddy board.

[Anonymous (12.77.48.94)]

So was Teddy saying he is no longer a GGWO pastor because he is out on medical leave? I though the gifts calling of God was without repentence. Teddy, do you step in and out of your pastor uniform according to your outbursts?

[Anonymous (69.136.228.150)]

I at this time do not want to be the man I used to be I am very different from when I was working for the church fourteen months ago. No, definitely I am still a Pastor and am on medical leave of absence never been fired I even last week was offered to come back by Pastor and the many others. I still have an empty office in the church that they kept for me after my medical leave. I am undergoing several procedures on my back that causes sever pain and also have had to go to several doctors for different opinions and tests. To find a resolution or I would be in a wheelchair.
My back pain is very complicated and not just isolated in one area, so some operation would benefit me like we once thought that it was isolated only in my neck area, we now know the severity of it with the more test that have been done and have a plan to work on the areas of pain biologically with needles and procedures that are very painful with different medications injected weekly.
I have often wondered what it means to have meaningful friendships and in the past many months, I have realized that they are very hard to find. I am reading a book by David Jeremiah, a preacher called “a bend in the road “. I never thought that having the chronic pain and the daily sickness would bring me to that bend in the road. When a man goes through great pain and hurt eventually like an olive oil will come when pressed. I am being pressed by God right now and just need in this time support for the growth I have had. Please understand that I sober minded now know that mistakes have been made plenty; I am in the process of getting to really know God in the mistakes.

I am not any of your enemies I just wanted to know it is disheartening to see Christian rip apart a man or woman of God like the unsaved do on a daily basis. I really care that it all gets resolved and people are reconciled to one another. Please pray for my family and me as I promise to pray for you lives. God bless you all.
Pastor Teddy

[Anonymous (69.136.228.150)]

Is not a believer still a believer even if he leaves this ministry. Doesn't grace and love extend beyond GGWO? The God I know extends the same kindness to all His children

1)definitely a believer is still a believer even if he leaves this ministry.
2 ) yes his grace extends to even the lost so would it more to one of his children outside of GGWO
Why can none correct error when it is seen in GGWO leadership without being marked as an enemy?
Go alone and honor the bible and do the bible way with out discord

About the fourteen months, I at this time do not want to be the man I used to be I am very different from when I was working for the church fourteen months ago. No, definitely I am still a Pastor and am on medical leave of absence never been fired I even last week was offered to come back by Pastor and the many others. I still have an empty office in the church that they kept for me after my medical leave. I am undergoing several procedures on my back that causes sever pain and also have had to go to several doctors for different opinions and tests. To find a resolution or I would be in a wheelchair.
My back pain is very complicated and not just isolated in one area, so some operation would benefit me like we once thought that it was isolated only in my neck area, we now know the severity of it with the more test that have been done and have a plan to work on the areas of pain biologically with needles and procedures that are very painful with different medications injected weekly.
I have often wondered what it means to have meaningful friendships and in the past many months, I have realized that they are very hard to find. I am reading a book by David Jeremiah, a preacher called “a bend in the road “. I never thought that having the chronic pain and the daily sickness would bring me to that bend in the road. When a man goes through great pain and hurt eventually like an olive oil will come when pressed. I am being pressed by God right now and just need in this time support for the growth I have had. Please understand that I sober minded now know that mistakes have been made plenty; I am in the process of getting to really know God in the mistakes. I am not any of your enemies I just wanted to know it is disheartening to see Christian rip apart a man or woman of God like the unsaved do on a daily basis. I really care that it all gets resolved and people are reconciled to one another. Please pray for my family and me as I promise to pray for you lives. God bless you all.
Pastor Teddy

[Anonymous (64.12.116.66)]

Don't they say that the TRUTH shall set you free. Tell the body what is really going on. God can free you from the bondage and suffering that you are experiencing.

[Anonymous (64.12.116.66)]

Does anybody know that other man that Barbara S was seeing while dating Pastor?

[Anonymous (64.12.116.66)]

Does anyone know the other "women" Pastor was "involved" with when he was "dating" Barbara Baum?

Scott Robinson could tell you.

[Anonymous (64.12.116.66)]

Roberta Hall?

[Anonymous (4.139.15.10)]

Isn't she now married to Pastor Mitch Powell in Tacoma, Washington?

[Anonymous (64.12.116.66)]

Yes she is

[Anonymous (64.12.116.66)]

Why does anybody care who Pastor saw while he was dating Barbara? Does it really pertain to anything vital on this forum???

What garbage are you trying to promote now??

Define "involved." It implies more than you think. Obviously Barbara Baum was Gods choice for him or they wouldn't have been married.

The Powells are happily married too. Are you trying to dig up stuff you "think" happened for ****s and giggles around here???????

YOU ARE SO STINKING PETTY!!!!

[Anonymous (64.12.116.66)]

Sorry, just answering a question

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Involved implies exactly what it means.

Yes, it it important because Pastor it defines as a phoney. A man who constantly teaches no-touch love, claims to have followed his own teaching but did not.


He not only did not follow it but made a mockery of it with his own "secret" lifestyle.

There are many that could come forward. But of course many have been paid off not to speak.

Ask Scott Robinson.

[Anonymous (64.12.116.66)]

wOW YOU KIND PEOPLE PRETTY MUCH HAVE SAID THAT PASTOR WAS {POSSIBLY} FORNICATING WITH ROBERTA HALL WHO IS NOW ROBERTA POWELL????????

SO. "205" SINCE YOU SEEM TO KNOW SO MUCH ABOUT PEOPLE'S PERSONAL LIVES, BACK IT UP. GIVE US DATES AND TIMES. WHY SHOULD WE ASK SCOTT ROBINSON ANYTHING AS OBVIOUSLY SICK AND PERVERTED AS THIS???

I DOUBT THERE IS ANY TRUTH IN ANYTHING YOU SAY, YOU JUST WANT TO SPREAD LIES, AND TO QUOTE OTHERS YOU ARE A SPINELESS MOTHER (FILLIN THE BLANK) FOR EVEN INSTIGATING SOMETHING LIKE THIS ONE HERE WITHOUT HAVING THE "BALLS" TO STATE YOUR NAME.

[Anonymous (64.12.116.66)]

Nobody said anything about "fornicating". To me, being involved with someone can just mean dating them

[Anonymous (64.12.116.66)]

SO....."205"
LETS HAVE THE LIST OF THOSE PAID OFF TO SHUT THEIR MOUTHS. PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS. I'LL BET YOU COME UP WITH NOBODY YOU JUST FEEL LIKE BLOWING YOUR BAG OF HOT AIR.

THANKS "64" FOR YOUR POST. I AGREE 100 PERCENT. HE IS A SPINELESS MOTHER" WITHOUT THE BALLS TO STATENOT ONLY HIS NAME, BUT HE LACKS OBVIOUS DATES AND TIMES OF "FACTUAL PROOF."

ROT IN HELL 205 WHERE YOU BELONG.

[Anonymous (64.12.116.66)]

"64" I AGREE, NOBODY DID SAY ANYTHING ABOUT "FORNICATING." YOU ARE RIGHT. HOWEVER, THEY DIDN'T SAY IT EITHER, THEY IMPLIED IT.

[Anonymous (149.174.164.83)]

205 is just saying the truth. I know he speaks the truth, many know that too. Get off you high horse 64, you follow a hypocrite, not God. Your pastor didn't practice what he preached. He is a liar and you have been deceived.

[Anonymous (64.12.116.66)]

"205" POSTING AT 10:20 P.M.

THIS IS THE SECRET SOCIETY IN THE BACK.....THE INNER CIRCLE.....THEY SPEAK AND SAY WHAT THEY WANT AND INSTIGATE MORE SCANDAL, SLANDER AND LIBEL WITH WHAT THEY SAY BACK THERE BEHIND PEOPLE'S BACKS, AND WRITE HERE OPENLY ON THE FORUM THINKING THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH POSTING ANONYMOUSLY. WATCH OUT YOU PEOPLE THAT THINK YOU ARE THE ONES WHO ARE GOING TO HAVE LAWSUITS AGAINST THE CHURCH. I'D BE SCARED TO DEATH THAT THE PIT YOU DIG FOR OTHERS YOU DON'T END UP FALLING IN YOURSELVES. LAST I LOOKED THAT WAS IN MY BIBLE. YOU KNOW, THE BOOK WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE LIVING OUR LIVES BY AS CHRISTIANS? SHOW ME IN THERE YOUR RIGHT TO POST CRAP LIKE THIS.

HEY IF THE SHOE FITS, WEAR IT.
YOU ACCUSE PEOPLE OF DOING THINGS?
BACK IT UP OR SHUT UP.

[Anonymous (64.12.116.66)]

TO 149

AND YOU ARE A SPINELESS MOTHER TOO. YOU SAY A BUNCH OF **** AND CAN'T SIGN YOUR NAME TO IT.
SO ARE YOU ONE OF THE ONES PAID OFF TO SHUT UP BUT NOW YOU CAN SNEAK BY AND POST ANONYMOUSLY THINKING YOU CAN SAY AND DO WHAT YOU PLEASE?

WELL, WE ALREADY KNOW WHO THE HYPOCRITE IS HERE. YOU.

I HAVE THIS OVERWHELMING URGE TO CUT AND PASTE YOUR POSTS AND "205"'S POSTS AND SEND THEM VIA EMAIL TO THE POWELLS. THEN WE WILL SEE WHOSE ASS GETS KICKED. I'D PAY TO BE A FLY ON THE WALL JUST TO SEE IT DONE.

ITS GREAT THAT LAWYER POSTED THE DEFINITION OF WHAT LIBEL IS. HA HA HA YOU GOT CAUGHT...HA HA HA...YOU'LL HAVE TO PAY OUT YOUR OWN "SHUT UP" MONEY...HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

[Anonymous (149.174.164.83)]

Secret Society???

Sounds more like the Masons and than a Christian church

Maybe Pastor's closest friends know the most

You seem very angry 64, maybe being duped makes you angry

[Anonymous (149.174.164.83)]

Go ahead 64. The Powell's know the truth also

[Anonymous (64.12.116.66)]

I just want the list of those paid off to shut up.
Since the financial records of the church are open to the public at anytime because of the 501c status of the church, lets get the names and expose these people too!!!!!! Afterall, they can say people were paid off to be quiet and make false allegations like that, lets check it out!!!
Lets see who the hypocrites were that took the money (if indeed that is the case which I doubt).

[Anonymous (64.12.116.66)]

I AIN'T ANGRY BECAUSE I AM BEING DUPED. I AM ANGRY THAT PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD (SOME) LIKE YOU WILL STOOP TO NO END TO BRING MORE SCANDEL.

BESIDES IF THE CHURCH PAID OFF PEOPLE AS YOU SAY, THEN WHY DIDN'T THE NEWSPAPER REPORTER PUT THAT IN HIS ARTICLE. SOMETHING THAT JUICY WOULDN'T HAVE SLIPPED BY ANY REPORTER. YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY? ITS A BUNCH OF CRAP, THATS WHY.

[Anonymous (12.77.47.148)]

Excuse me please...but what difference does it make who dated who 15 or so years ago?

[Anonymous (64.12.116.66)]

one last thought. You stated "The Powells already know" -- they know what!! That you people are implying that Pastor and Roberta slept with each other while they were dating??? Or do they already know what kind of faking hypocritical liars 205 and 149 are???????????

[Anonymous (64.12.116.66)]

It is very possible in a business (or organization) which deals in cash to make the books look however you want them to look. The slang term is "skimming". It means you remove the stolen portion before you count the intake as revenue, therfore reducing your income.

[Maria T (151.196.29.97)]

tO "149-174-164-83 posting @ 11:10 p.m. and also "205.188.117.20" posting at 10:20 p.m.

I don't understand why one of you (205) would dredge up something so ugly implying it was part of Pastor's PAST...and why the other one (149) would substanciate it saying Pastor's closest friends would know.

Are you one of his closest friends? I can't see how considering you would stoop to this level. Whether you insist its true or not, lets say for a minute there is truth in what you say. I'd like to know why you have kept quiet all these years about this or are we to conclude that you are one "paid off" as you state others are without any proof of course.

If a real friend covers for another"real" friend things like this (if true) would not be disclosed in an open forum. I don't know about any of you, but I wouldn't disclose the details of my being "involved" with anyone to anybody!!
Not only because its none of anybody's business to begin with, but also because I wouldn't want this done to me "by a friend."

It saddens me that people will just stoop so low, to the point where they don't care who they hurt publically on this forum, whether its lies they spread visciously, or truth, no matter how you look at it, it doesn't glorify God or edify anybody now does it???????

Maria T

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

she might look like a retro throwback from the disco era but give the girl a break. look at what shes married to. she will get a glorified body in heaven and im sure they have a complete makeover service for all of us... so we will all really look beeyooteeful!

[Anonymous (216.183.184.131)]

Roberta Hall was Pastor's "traveling secratary"
before he married Barbara Baum. They "shared" a room on more than a few occasions after they thought the rest of us were asleep.

[Anonymous (68.82.183.197)]

fact net? how about gossip net?

D.A

[KDuhamel (24.60.78.215)]

D.A.

You're "in" and I'm "out," but I feel at least we know the same God.

-Karen

[Anonymous (149.174.164.83)]

Recovery from Spiritual Abuse
How You Can Help

By Sharon Hilderbrant, M.A.

Recently, I have read two new books that describe in detail the abusive behavior of various churches and the effects of this abuse on church members. Churches That Abuse, by Ron Enroth, and Damaged Disciples (in press), by Ron and Vicki Burks, both published by Zondervan, relate stories that may be hard for some Christians to believe. Those of us who work with the victims, however, know the stories are true.

Churches on the fringe exist in every major metropolitan area as well as in small towns and isolated rural areas. Some are large, "mega-church" organizations, while some may be small house-church gatherings. Most of them look fairly normal to outsiders. That is, until abused persons begin to leave and tell of their experiences.

Getting out of the group is only the beginning of recovery. Recovery involves, according to one survivor, getting "the group out of us." The effects of abuse are long-standing. The following outlines how Christians can help the spiritually abused in their recovery.

Trust:
Most survivors will have much trouble trusting. Anyone. Especially churches. A support system is desperately needed, but survivors will have difficulty approaching. Help with material needs (housing, job, food, etc.) is usually much appreciated. Social support via invitations to events or dinner, or just a conversation about something other than church or religious issues is very much needed.

Therefore, a safe place for confidentiality, a place to be relaxed without expectations of appearances or performance, a place to connect with another caring person (or persons) without becoming too involved in private lives, is needed. A dysfunctional don’t trust rule was present in the system, by teaching, by practice, or both. Don’t push for trust. Don’t push the recovery process. Respect their boundaries.

Talk:
Survivors need to tell their story. So they will remember it themselves, and not deny any part of it. So they can be validated by others who believe them. So they can use the truth to dispel the deceptions of the past and discern deception in the future. The dysfunctional system no doubt had a don’t talk rule by practice—but probably spiritualized and cloaked in scripture as well. The don’t talk rule serves to hide a myriad of the leaders’ sins.

Emotion:
It is normal for anyone who has been victimized and abused to feel intense emotions. The longer the survivors had to endure abuse without an outlet for emotions, the longer it will take for them to experience the full range of emotions about it. Depression and anxiety are common masks for other emotions.

Too much intellectualizing may inhibit the survivor from getting in touch with his or her emotions. Fear, guilt, anger, grief, rage, sorrow—all must be felt and expressed in their own time. An overspiritualizing of emotions may have been present in the dysfunctional system, with certain emotions demanded and others condemned by a twisting of scripture. The result is a don’t feel your real feelings rule.

Truth:
Encourage survivors to talk about what happened to them. Listen. Empathize. Offer words that may describe what the person is feeling, since they may not be able to identify it themselves at first. Limit feedback and comments to supportive statements. Keep confidentiality. Be trustworthy.

Who am I?
Survivors typically do not know who they are anymore. They lost themselves in the church/cult. They need to know they are lovable. Count them as equal to yourself—not less just because they are needy. Assure them they do not have to be perfect. Accept them as they are. Encourage them. Build confidence, offer choices. Allow them to have strengths and weaknesses.

They need to know that they are not evil or possessed, not crazy, not shameful. They need to know that they are not powerless and that they can recover and grow beyond this experience. Don’t make decisions for them and don’t try to fix them. Let them know you speak for yourself. Be careful of speaking for God. Tell them recovery takes a long time—2 to 4 years, or longer.

What about the group?
It is critical that survivors know that God is not the group. Leaving the group is not equivalent to leaving God. They must hear that no group has exclusive truth, or is the elite, or is especially anointed over another for ministry of the gospel. (It is the gospel that is anointed!)

They also need to recognize that group leaders actually deceived people, used and abused people, twisted scripture, and fostered co-dependent and/or addictive behaviors (perhaps immoral behavior, too) among members. Be gentle as you interpret what was hurtful and wrong in the group. Remember, they probably have left behind some people that are still dear to their hearts and do not wish to blame them. Information about co-dependency and dysfunctional families and other institutions at this stage may be helpful in confronting denial. Save Bible reading until the individual is ready to grapple with it in small doses.

What is God really like?
Just as survivors lost themselves in the group, so did they lose reality about who God is. They need to have grace explained in depth and to examine God’s attributes carefully. The long process of recovery involves continually uncovering misrepresentations of God conveyed by the words and behavior of group leaders, parents and other authority figures.

Survivors will need to be reminded again and again of the true attributes of God and the principle of grace. Be genuine. Be personal. Explain how scripture helps you to understand God’s attributes. If you have received grace, you can speak confidently about it. Tell what you love about God.

God’s people:
To become reconciled to God requires reconciliation with God’s people. Many who begin to trust God again have much more difficulty trusting people in any church. It helps to confront the truth about God’s people with statements similar to the following:

• Leaders are not more favored by God over others in the church.
• All struggle spiritually, even leaders.
• All are in various stages of growth (no instant spirituality).
• All make mistakes, none are infallible.
• All can learn to hear God’s voice for themselves—no need to remain spiritual children who must submit to parental leaders.
• All need each other—none are needless.
• All have something to give and are valuable to God.
• All—leaders and lay persons—are called to live by the same standards.
• All need to have their own relationship with God apart from the involvement of other believers—including spouses.
• The church is not just one building or one gathering, but believers
everywhere.

[lift pastor higher (216.183.184.131)]

Teddy,
er Pastor Teddy...

What do I need to be a pastor at GGWO?

Her are some of my gifts;

I can straighten people out when Pastor tells me to, and even when he forgets.

When anyone asks me what the service was about, I can repeat "get the tape" or "it was awesome".

I understand that personal integrity in the sight of God is not as important as loyalty to pastor.

I can correct people who do not address me as "Pastor".

I can keep a close eye on visitors who look like they make a lot of money and make sure they feel welcome.

I can defend Barbara's hairdo against anyone who try's to blaspheme her or her hairdo.

I can shadow pastor around for hours because just being in his presence is... well just awesome.

I can make sure anyone who trys to ask some tricky unbelieving question of pastor at the rap
doen't get away with it, or at least with out me telling them about it.

I can cover for his "addictions".

I know that everyone outside of GGWO who are suffering are being chastised by God and those that aren't suffering are going to get theirs at the bema seat for leaving this ministry.

I know that any of pastor's sufferings are just persecution from God's enemies.

I can threaten anyone on this posting board with physical violence who gets out of line and attempts to blaspheme pastors holy name.

I can make sure the ushers poke or prod anyone who has the nerve to stay seated during one of pastors standing ovations. I don't care how old or how young they are, I say pastor deserves double honor!

I can operate spyware, and escort emotional women who don't understand how busy pastor is, out of his presence onto the sidewalk outside.

thats not all, but call me cause like you I'm ready !

[Anonymous (68.82.183.197)]

K Duhamel,

Yes we know the same God the one and only God. This board will come to pass, all that matters is God none of the gossip here has any lasting value. Hurtful and pointless maybe but not lasting. This to shall pass. I once tried to witness in a very worldly forum, I am shocked that people do not behave any better here. I wonder if anyone ever reads factnets disclaimer page. Only Jesus christ can set the captives free.

D.a

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

As ugly as it can get here, it is necessary. D.A. you may not see it this way but some here need this process of talking about their experience in TBS/GGWO. Alot of emotions are expressed here (along with gossip and attacking each other) but that also is part of the process. You negate the pain some have suffered by writing the whole thing off as gossip and not of God. Can you look beyond the petty stuff and validate the abuse many have experienced in their leaving TBS/GGWO. Karen has written her story here on this forum, she is a victim also. This forum has helped many to deal with the past wounds and return to the God you so love. This is an "open" forum which means it is not controlled and even at times it reaches some very low levels, it reflects the nature of humanity.. the good the bad and the ugly. It reflects believers reacting in anger and hurt, it reflects all the defense mechanisms know to man. But it is also helping bring some back to a healthy walk with God. People move off the board and seek counsel and move on in the healing process.

MPD


Excerpt from spiritual abuse recovery:
Talk:
Survivors need to tell their story. So they will remember it themselves, and not deny any part of it. So they can be validated by others who believe them. So they can use the truth to dispel the deceptions of the past and discern deception in the future. The dysfunctional system no doubt had a don’t talk rule by practice—but probably spiritualized and cloaked in scripture as well. The don’t talk rule serves to hide a myriad of the leaders’ sins.

Emotion:
It is normal for anyone who has been victimized and abused to feel intense emotions. The longer the survivors had to endure abuse without an outlet for emotions, the longer it will take for them to experience the full range of emotions about it. Depression and anxiety are common masks for other emotions.

[KDuhamel (24.60.78.215)]

MPD-

I have been considering the direction the board has been taking of late. Frankly, I don't know what to think. Anger and frustration I understand--even ranting and raving--but malicious gossip?

It's true, I went through a period of intense anger after leaving the ministry--and Christians judged me for it. They did not see my pain or my heart. So please believe me when I say that I don't want to judge, but is there a time to say a person has gone too far, because he/she is hurting other people?

-Karen

[Anonymous (68.82.183.197)]

Karen,

Thank you for that honest assesment and that was exactly my point. If it were about anger and frustration that would be one thing. But I notice a trend where there seems to be a victim of the week to gossip about and old things being brought up about peoples pasts that really are not relevant to anyone elses healing but more about getting even. When christians turn on Christians I do not believe it is of God. karen It doesn't matter to me that you left the ministry, just never leave God.

MPD

You are assuming I have never been hurt before, I don't want to hear the text book psycho babbel that is suppose to heal. I grew up in a very abusive situation, so I don't need you to tell me about the intense emotions either, (I am not saying that to be taken as any kind of anger towards you). I have had those intense emotions. I know that rehashing them , looking for someone to blame, wanting to get even and even blaming yourself, only prolongs the pain it does not bring forth any kind of real healing. Only Jesus Christ can do that. It was not until my focus was on him that any real healing could begin. I also have been hurt in a church, I left. I went on and so did that church. Sorry to have to break it to you people get hurt in every church.

D.A

[KDuhamel (24.60.78.215)]

D.A.-

On balance--there is more than just the kind of hurt happening here that occurs in typical churches. If you saw my posting on another board, you'll note that GGWO is listed as an aberrant church on a syllabus for a course called "Heresies, Cults & Counterfeits." Why is it that so many in the ministry are not alarmed that the Christian community considers their church aberrant? Could it be that the abuse feels normal?

-Karen

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Where there is smoke there is fire. I guess they aren't smoking joints anyway. YET I know it can be therapeutic. Forget, paranoid,?

[Anonymous (149.174.164.83)]

they prescribe that stuff now to cancer patients

[Anonymous (64.12.116.66)]

Yeah and PASTOR is a cancer

[Sam Spade (200.39.208.209)]

One trend I've noticed over my years in GGWO - those that adulated Pastor are strangely enough the same ones who end up vilifying him, to the same degree they once adulated. They want to blame him, when it was they who sinned by their man-worship.

And now they sink below the slime by attacking his wife. Thank Pr. Teddy for having the humility, even with his bad back, to stoop so low as even to address them.

[Anonymous (64.12.116.66)]

no once a cancer always a cancer. never liked the "MAN" never will. I was standing for that old fool and that bimbo retro throw back. get a life again. look at all those phony preachers on tv. He is the worst slime. he just takes money out of poor unsuspecting people. the truth shall free you. just wait you poor soul. maybe god won't judge you to harsh for your stupidity

[Colleen Grady (141.157.87.67)]

who are any of you to judge anyone? Who made you GOD!!!? The whole thing is a disgrace and just goes to show how much time people really do have on their hands. Yes i am on here reading too so i dont need you to remind me but at least i have the gutz to say who i am. May i just remind you that we do not attend church for man but for god. This whole situation should have no baring on anyone except for the key people involved. So you were wounded boo woo get over it nobodys perfect after all man is man. does it make you feel better to get on this site and verbally bash everyone and everything you can think of. I seriously dont think that this is actually giving you any gratification. And what are you accomplishing by writing on here is anything getting resolved no cause you do not dictate gods time and did you ever think that maybe this whole thing is a test for the entire congragation not just the pastor and elders of the church. Just something to think about!!!

[Colleen G (141.157.87.67)]

Excuse Me but i feel like i have entered a demonic coven you people are sick and absolutly fueled by the devil!! Trying to BAIT leaders into a responce to your rediculous babble!! P.Teddy Good for you for standing up and saying something these morons think they douped you or something. SHAME on all you idiots I cant wait to see you be judged by god when i go to heaven i bet i wont be seeing any of you there!! You do not thave the right or power to get revenge i hope you all relize that GOD and only GOD can judge you!!! I would be very afraid if i were you!!!

[Anonymous (64.12.116.66)]

"So you were wounded boo woo get over it nobodys perfect after all man is man."

So is that the heart of Jesus? I guess I missed the boo woo verses. Brings to mind an old song we use to sing in church. The name of it was Wake Up My People. Anybody ever sing it at there church. The chorus went like this.

Wake up my people.
Wake up give a shout.
Wake up my people.
Know what life's about.
Wake up to the needs of all the ones who suffer sorrow.
Wake up promise now to do your best to change tomorrow.
Wake up my people, and open slamming doors.
Wake up my people, LOVE MY PEOPLE EVERMORE.

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Colleen Grady,
Thank you so much for your words. I encourage you to keep writing here on FactNet! You probably have no idea that your “kind” words just go to prove the dissenters viewpoint on this message board. You may have a few Greater Grace nut-cases in your corner cheering you on, but rest assured you and other Greater Grace defenders are solidifying the fact that GGWO is an abusive organization.
So keep up the good work Colleen and I can’t wait to see you in heaven! (If I’m there??)

[Anonymous (80.74.208.247)]

lift pastor higher,
Thanks! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

"I never red any other than The Pastor's books and booklets and The Bible."
pastor at summer convention. He got standing OOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Anonymous (69.136.228.150)]

lift pastor higher (216.183.184.131)
You are just an idiot if you think I would do what you wrote at least that is what you are sounding like to me because I don't do that. So foolish people might worship pastor Stevens but he always in my presence has stated that that was wrong and unbiblical. He is just a Man.

Love pastor teddy

You Just love to attack people it is all over your spirit just like a critical, obnoxious baboon. You were probably abused when you were younger by an over critical father. Hate authority and hate God.

Why don't you just shove it where the sun does not shine because you don't even know me and you have the nerve to attack me. In my life, I know I have reached more people with the message of going to the hurting and downtrodden and lifting them. I have fruit that remains all over the world. Where is yours, just on this terrible web page being critical and hurting people. Great fruit to posses, idiot. I just want you to know how it feels to be abused as you just abused me.
What do you do just sit around thinking of smart ass mocking statements to attack someone you don’t even know.

All I have stated that I love pastor and his wife and it is wrong to mock Barbara.
What if that was your best friend’s wife that was being mocked and attacked?
I am a very tender and loving man and have helped thousands of young adults get their lives together just like the Stevens family has done for me. You might say that is not Christian, it is more Christian to defend the honor of my Pastor’s wife and the honor of a woman that has been my friend for ten years. Come find me cowardly sucker lift pastor higher (216.183.184.131).

I hope you would meet me and have the guts to say some of your bull**** to my face you spineless coward or just come to my house I am listed in the phone book. Even with my bad back, I would love to teach you some manners.
Love pastor teddy

This message is not for any one else and appreciated your support on the last few posts.

By the way, there is no inner circle just do what I did be around get around and stay around. You will be apart and accepted openly. You will say no but I know because I love ministering to the downtrodden and bring them in the your so call

[Maria T (66.119.34.59)]

To Pastor Teddy

4 days ago on the main thread I asked you to get ahold of me by emailing "gracekid2 at aol.com"

You said you would "talk" to anybody...well, I'm "anybody." Otherwise my phone number is on the GGWO church list.

love in Christ
Maria T

[Anonymous (68.82.183.197)]

Karen,


Saying that the Christian Community calls GGWO aberrant, is very interesting. Sounds to me like this course is the opinion of a few, not the whole Christian community. How do we know that it wasn't designed by someone with a grudge or a Satanist or even a bunch of roman Catholics? (which by the way are listed in "The kingdom of the Cults").

When I joined my first baptist church all my friends who were not born again accused me of joining a cult. It was no different, and all churches do have these problems. Having moved a lot as a child I have had to change churches numerous times, So I am speaking from experience.

Jesus in his day was considered different then the normal also


D.A

[Maria T (66.119.33.187)]

To: 216-183-184-31 who posted 6/01 @ 4:04 p.m. the following direct quote:


"Roberta Hall was Pastor's "traveling secratary"
before he married Barbara Baum. They "shared" a room on more than a few occasions after they thought the rest of us were asleep."

********
I haven't been on the board much since before the weekend, and to me, this is the worst level I've seen people stoop to out of spite and malice.

So, since JB Skeets posted what was libel on this board, maybe you should go back and re-read the post. You really crossed the line on this one. I pray Pastor personally sues you, and also Roberta Hall Powell too for you spreading such lies.

If you dare say I am wrong, prove it if you have nothing to hide. Establish it out of the mouth of more than one witness too, but you can't, your "chicken" to post your name...and of course, the names of the others present who SAW WITH THEIR OWN EYES PASTOR STEVENS IN A BED TOGETHER WITH ROBERTA HALL. YEAH RIGHT.

I dare you to Name the motels, dates, and times and room numbers...they keep records and can verify whether someone was there or not even after all these years.

Thats what so wrong about these postings. Slandering, maligning characters anonymously. You have something to say, you shouldn't hide it. God sees you whether we know who you are.
You demand proof...you better have proof when you make the statements you make.

Should we ask if you were in your room with your spouse at the time?????????

Maria T

[Maria T (66.119.33.155)]

Dear Pastor Teddy

One thing I will say because people on this forum know me enough to know that I stick up for what is right and protest greatly about what is "wrong."

Your devotion to Pastor Stevens and Barbara is wonderful. I have much love and respect for both Pastor and Barbara, they have been used of God greatly in my life over the years, as in yours too. I know things people say about them on the forum are not gospel truth. This particular thread about Barbara is disgusting and we know who started it, and why. The above response I made about "216" posting clearly shows I will address things as God leads me -- especially when they are "off" or "lies."

However, I don't have respect for your posts representing yourself as a staff pastor in our ministry. Think about what you are saying!!! You've been threatening to "kick people's asses"...daring them to "come find me at my house I'm listed in the phone book..."
Then you brag that you "have fruit all over the place..."...etc...which apple do I bite from here??? Do you get what I am saying in love to you????

I'm asking you to think about what help are you doing here on the forum by threatening people?? Do you think thats going to "shut their mouths" because you might come after them??? They aren't afraid of you!! Some of these people are very angry, bitter, resentful, and they don't care who they hurt right now. They've been hurt by people in our ministry. Wake up!!! Its not up to us as to determine the legitimacy of their wounds, thats between them and God. Its up to us to minister Gal. 6:1...to give grace and mercy...and its hard sometimes because the posts have been so ugly and hateful. God will give us discernment as to who is really in need of being ministered to here...and who is just spitefully backstabbing for no reason whatsoever.

Don't misunderstand me one bit here. I am not taking sides, "crossing over," "going against Pastor or the ministry"...just in case that thought comes to anybody's mind. I am NOT saying their posts are right, I've well stated my position quite clearly here from the start, and I've taken the bashing they've given out. But in all fairness to everybody here, I wonder when these posters are saying our church is abusive...what evidence do we give them that its not if you are exploding as you post and threatening them??? It sure wouldn't lead me to our church on Sunday!! It wouldn't show me "fruit all over the world"...and it would further their defense that something could indeed be wrong behind the scenes when a well known staff pastor posts in the fashion you have.

By the way, I love our church...but there is
DEFINATELY AN INNER CIRCLE THERE. You know it as well as I do, you're a part of it. Part of that same group whether you like people saying so or not. I know Pastor hates cliques and has stated so from the pulpit. I'm not going to tell people here I post the truth and then deny something that I've seen all the years here. Its nothing against the church so don't go blowing your temper at me now.

I just don't think threatening to kick people's "asses" for what they are writing is the most effective way to minister on this board.

Maria T

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Yeah preach it Maria T. Let p teddy finger you all night long to get you both of this board with your undyeing devotion for pastor and Barbara. Oh suck it up. The truth is staring you fools in the face and no i am not going to give my name to go to church and have you stupid asses all over me. yes i attend to help get people out. that is what i am called to do. find the great spiritual based church in timonium where you will find a true loving GOD

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

by the way GOD has left the building from GG a long time ago. there is so much discord between paul and steve. i will see you righteous so called born again christians in hell since you think i m going there for not lifting pastor higher. i like to lift him out of the building, but people would just give pastor a standing ovation. you are stupid for throwing your heads in the sand when it comes to roberta and pastor too. your blinded by his lies. i wouldn't take my cat to him for squat

[Anonymous (68.82.183.197)]

focus on God and only God

[Maria T (170.224.224.155)]

Awe geez "205" its obvious you can't discern where to find a true loving God...He's not in a building!! He is SUPPOSED to be in people's hearts..but yours has hardened so hard how can He possibly get his finger in there???

Your hatred alone for Pastor, Pastor Paul..Pastor Steve...explain to me how that lines up with you being a "Christian" yourself!!

I'm not blinded by anybody's lies. My head isn't in the sand, and I don't think that loving someone for what they've invested in your life is a wrong thing. I don't worship a man. Sorry to disappoint you, go find someone else to share your bitter heart with.

You know what I do find amusing? You. You stay in church...you claim the "Roberta and Pastor" issue is true...no proof of course...but if and I say clearly IF that was true (which I don't believe, sorry..) and you kept your head in the sand about it, you don't have a leg to stand on pointing fingers now after all these years...because to me, IF that is the real issue at hand, you were the sucker for worshipping a man in the first place. And you call me a stupid ass? LOL!!! As far as I know, my brain is in my head, not in my "ass"...therefore calling my "ass" stupid, its evident that you are or were trying possibly trying to identify with someone whose brain IS in their "ass." Sorry I can't be more helpful to you there.

You're afraid to give your name out because you're afraid of me at church...you're nuts!! You fear man?? Heck if I were you, I'd fear God!! Guess what, if you do find him in your heart again soon, he'll give you back your "brain" from out of your "ass" where it obviously is now. I just felt that your so caustic and "sarcastically" edifying statements fully deserved the same response.

Maria T

p.s. Where's the church in Timonium???? Just so I know which one that God is in the building but not in people's hearts?????

[Anonymous (64.12.116.66)]

just look up your ass to find a church. don't get smug with god not being in a building. carl is there. sometimes it takes a while for things to come out. i have been awoken and now i have spoken. are you crazy, you are all so radical when it comes to beloved pastor. i still have friends that i want freed from there. no i wouldn't tell your stupid "ass" how to get around the beltway. you are not in a space anyway to find yourself clear. what do you go to church and then get on the message board. do something useful and pray for salvation of your self and the body

[Anonymous (4.155.63.30)]

So you chicken **** *******, "205" why don't you keep your head out of your own ass and find your own stupid church driving around the beltway. Whats the matter, baby, you can dish it out but you can't take it??????

Trouble is, idiots like you think that you can run people off this forum, and well, you mindless idiot...there are more people with spunk on here than you obviously were aware of.
Just because I have monitored this board since the first and haven't posted doesn't mean I can't discern an ******* (you) from someone with a brain (moi).

So, which one of Pastor's inner circle clan are you? You stated above that you only come to church to get people out??? Boy, to me, since they have a board posting the hypocrites by name, yours should be number one!!

I'm glad you didn't tell Maria T where you go to church in Timonium. Or anyone else for that matter, if it was left up to me I'd call the pastor there and tell him ALL about you.

Why don't you just lay off of Pastor Stevens and get your ugly filthy stinking heart right with God for once. It might do you some good. You say he is slime? The slime I see is you, "205."

just for the record, Maria T is a lady and you didn't need to put that disgusting post there in regards to Pastor Teddy "fingering" her all night. You're worse than the scum of the earth talking to a lady like that. Look in the mirror if you want to see a real stupid ass!!!

P.M.

[Anonymous (151.203.74.215)]

I do not know why the possible use/abuse of prescription pain medicine is used to imply moral inferiority. Less than 1% of individuals with chronic pain become addicted. There are compassionate care forums comprised of physicians around the world who believe in the use of opiod based medications for the treatment of chronic,yet non-terminal pain. Both Pastor and Barbara have had horrific pain, Barbara due to migraines and Pastor due to back injury. Do you know that thousands of people die from instant liver failure each year due to Tylenol excess, becuase it is over the counter it is considered safe by the unwarned individual. Likewise, the NSAID or non-steroidal anti-inflamatory classification of drugs can cause serious internal bleeding and platelet disorders when used in large quantities. Pure opiods are the safest drugs to treat severe pain because they mirror our own natural endorphins very closely and there are receptors in the nervous system that recognise them and are compatible. The standard of abuse is whether or not the medication can help to restore a person to his or her life's activities. People in pain should be given mercy. Some of these medications are sent from heaven. Dependency and tolerance do not make a person an addict. That is a normal side effect from the use of these drugs. Diabetics are dependent upon insulin. If Pastor and Barbara used or are using these medications it is their business and it is not immoral. If they were on the street buying heroin it would be a different story. You would not be so quick to judge if you had unrelenting pain that intefered with every aspect of your daily life. When and if the time comes to taper off these medicines it is done under professional guidance. I know individuals who have used prescribed opiods for years and have maintained at a relatively modest dosage the whole time. They do not get high, just relief from pain. I am so sick of people getting all riled up about this stuff. Where is your integrity? I do not go to the church but I have several friends there who are human beings, with the same longings and aspirations as many of us. Quit fanning the flames of controversy over a private matter. In some countries these types of medications are over the counter. What is it that makes it so tintilating to some of you folks? Are your lives that empty or low that you must tear others down in order to feel good about yourselves? Despite weaknesses and shortcomings these are human beings for whom Our Savior died.
It astonishes me the kind of gossip going on. Why be occupied with negatives? Be a force for good, not just someone who is against something. Life is too short to point fingers. When you rupture a disc or have crippling headache I bet you would reach for those pills in the blink of an eye. No one said that to be godly you had to suffer needlessly. God Bless and Keep You All. I hope you see the validity of what I have shared.

[Anonymous (64.12.117.21)]

I agree with what you have said, but in reality I don't believe that this is a central issue for most people here - just the few that are looking to incite verbal confrontation and provoke negative behaviour in order to discredit those with issues with this ministry.

[KDuhamel (24.60.78.215)]

D.A.-

Your questions are fair. I will do my best to respond fairly as well.

First, as far as I know, no conservative Christian group considers GGWO a cult--its core doctrines are biblical. On this, I think all on the board agree. Whenever the ministry is criticized, it is because of its authority structure.

It's interesting that you mention the Catholic Church as an example of misplaced criticism. But shouldn't many of the Catholic teachings be questioned? In generations past, Catholics were taught to receive doctrine through the clergy and not to interpret it themselves, because they were not properly trained. Members held their leaders in the highest of esteem—considered them more attuned, somehow closer to God than themselves. Now, members are taught to study the Bible on their own, but old attitudes prevail. For one thing, even though the church gives lip service to the individual’s believer priesthood, the very existence of a Pope who delivers pronouncements from the Vatican with a “thus sayeth the Lord” authority undermines it.

My mother has been a Catholic her entire life. Though on occasion I have tried to gently point out the discrepancies between her beliefs and the Bible, she will not hear of it. This church is her life; she feels God’s blessing upon it (it’s a worldwide church after all and has much fruit). And I do believe God has used it. It is the place I first learned about Jesus. (And I remember a pastor mentioning in a rap many years ago in Lenox, that a surprising majority of people in the ministry at that time had been brought up as Catholics.) But should we conclude that the Catholic Church is God’s best for his people? Just because there are possibly millions of happy Catholics around the globe, are we to say that no one should point out the church’s errors?

To be honest, I don’t envision my mother ever questioning her beliefs. And though she has a heart after God, I believe she has made a decision to value an organization above knowing Him in His fullness.

Believe it or not, I am not interested in changing anyone’s mind—in the Catholic Church or the ministry. Rather, I post here because of the individual who knows something is wrong—who has felt the unbearable pain and fear that comes with hearing one thing from the Holy Spirit and another from the pulpit and does not know where to turn.

During my eight years in the ministry, I found myself increasingly disagreeing with Pastor, but would never dream of expressing that to him or anyone else. I witnessed too many occasions where Pastor would mock and deride people from the pulpit who had dared to question his views. I had an epiphany, if you would, one day with some friends after a rap. Pastor had begun emphasizing that members in the body should refrain from receiving teaching from other pastors—that if we were in this ministry, we had been placed in a kind of spiritual marriage to him. I cannot tell you how vehemently the Holy Spirit told me that this was not of Him. But my friends were parroting the doctrine and made it very clear they would not consider another perspective. Here I was—in a Christian community—and I had to hide what Christ was telling me. I realized, then, that I had to get out.

And this is the abuse I feel that body members don’t even recognize. Pastor routinely screams, demeans, and bullies people from the pulpit and in raps—but the congregation believes that it is okay. And in turn, they feel justified in speaking the same way to anyone who disagrees with Pastor. But I say this with the deepest conviction I am capable of—this is NOT the nature of our Lord.

I ask you--do you believe that it is POSSIBLE that the ministry is being criticized for legitimate issues? Have you considered it?

David Henke (dhenke@watchman.org) of the Watchman organization is a conservative, Bible-believing and Spirit-filled Christian. If you are interested in dialoguing about these issues, I know he would be more than willing to discuss them with you. And even if you disagree, at least you will know that you made your decision after considering all sides of the issues.

God bless you, D.A.

-Karen

[JD Skeet (64.12.116.66)]

Please don't feed the troll.

A troll is a someone just looking for trouble, and they get it by posting insulting and hostile comments to message boards. One gets rid of trolls like any other pest, cover your trash and ignore them.

Honestly, trolls are probably attracted to this board because of the low standards of civil discourse held by some posters and the volume of posting in general. If you ignore them, they will go away.

[Anonymous (68.82.183.197)]

Karen,

Thank you for your response. I have seen that we can discuss things without saying mean and hurtful things to one another. Or having a you must agree with me attitude. If people could discuss things in this manner instead of attacking each other then I might have a different view on this whole forum thing. For instance you didn't attack me personally for anything I said in your response you just replied with your thoughts, and nothing in my response to you now is in anger.

I have never said some people on this forum may not have legitimate concerns, or hurts. But this forum has become a place for rumors, to get started, attack other believers, by saying mean and hurtful things and It has even turned believers against believers. ( I have been attacked when I never said one vicious thing) I myself do not believe this board is of God, this is not the way Christ would want us to represent him. Even the postcards that went out to bring people to this forum were designed to plant seeds of doubt before people even knew what this was about.

The very title of this board is an attack on Barbara Steven's to get to her husband. People have said wicked and hurtful things about her. Is criticizing how this lady where's her hair really relavent to anyone being hurt and wanting healing? Is posting what every one may have done wrong in their past, something God would do?

I once tried witnessing on a non-Christian forum, the sad thing is in a lot of ways I can not tell the difference between that forum and this one now. The attitudes were the same. (Agree with me or get lost.)

It is that way here on this board now, tear someone down, be against GGWO or get off of here is the attitude. There is no real reasoning and yes, I know the attitude has come from both sides. Another reason I don't believe this is of God, It really doesn't bring someone to christ when they see believers divided and behaving this way before the world. Please don't forget anyone can wonder into any section of a message board and read and write what they want. For some this is merely a form of entertainment.

My concern is not that people may not have legitimate concerns, I am sure many do. I am sure many have good motives. My problem is how they go about venting them, with a let's just bring em all down and let God sort out this mess later, Attitude.

I do not belive GGWO, or any division of it is a cult and based on my past church experiences, believe me I thought about it long and hard before I even came through the doors of the church. I had seen some pretty horrible things over the years in churches, So the decission to leave my old church and come to Greater Grace was not made lightly. There were times when I thought better not to go to any church at all. I know that was not of God. So please believe me when I say issues were considered before I made that move. I have survived attacks since, I've seen God, work through people in ways I would never have believed before. Yes there are times when little seeds of doubt are planted and I go to God in prayer. I am human, my Pastor is also human. My praise for how God has brought me out of hurtful and abusive situations all goes to GOD for how he used Greater Grace to heal me.

My point about the Catholic church being listed in the book of cults, was to show anything that mentions Christ, sooner or later someone will label as a cult.

I was Christened Catholic, and actually you and I are in agreement with what you have said above. Somehow God led me to a Baptist church and I got saved. As an adult I went to the Baptist church , and family members and friends acted like I was in a cult there. Some just can not seperate Religion and a relationship with Jesus Christ they do not understand. My dad is a Catholic and doesn't want to hear a word of what I have to say about the bible. He doesn't want to hear about serving the Lord either, he always wants to know why volunteer when you can spend your time doing that getting paid somewhere else. My dad is a good hard working man, but he does not know the Lord. He will keep the traditions of the catholic church, but that is where his concept of having a relationship with God ends. He will even say we really don't know if there is a God or not. You don't know me or him, but please pray for him.

while everyone is so busy on this board bickering with one another, and Satan is having a field day. Has anyone read a newspaper lately other then what has been written about GGWO? does anyone care that the bible and even specific verses are being declared hate speech in Canada. If we are not careful the US is not to far behind. Does anyone know despite the attempts to stop Partial birth abortion there is a judge helping to make Planned parent hood exempt from this, so they may continue this procedure. These things to me are what we need to be concerned with, And yes praying for the church too, and the problems with ALL churches. Discussing real problems is one thing spreading gossip and speculating is quite another. ( I'm not saying you have done any of this, I am talking in general)

Karen, I am not against you or anyone else whether you are in Greater Grace or out and attending another church. As long as you stay with God that is all that matters. I hope you have a very blessed day today.

D.A

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

You are all True fools. Sorry, but carl has lost it completely with his rantings. HE is not a man of God. He gossips and blasts people who leave and does this in God's name and for his glory (carl's) ofcourse.

[Loretta J. Willits (64.12.116.66)]

To Anon 4.139 5-25-04, 11:05 p.m.:

Long hair shouldn't be worn by older women? Tell that to Mary, Martha, Mary Magdalen, etc., etc.

So why are you concerned about women's hair styles? They change from year to year according to mere fads. A woman should want to please her husband first, and if he likes her with long hair, and she doesn't mind taking care of it, what is that to ~~you~~? Why should any woman do her hair style according to the Hollywoodenheads?

Your intent was cruel and malicious.

[Loretta J. Willits (64.12.116.66)]

To Pastor Teddy, 5-30-04, 1:13 a.m.:

Hurrah for you! But don't hold your breath waiting for the anonymous cowards on these boards to look you up in person. They are too busy wallowing in their pity parties to doing anything constructive, like learning the truth about a lady they are maligning. They can safely criticize known women because they know we can never see what these criticizing cowards look like.

Classy women never criticize other women's appearances.

[Loretta J. Willits (64.12.116.66)]

Pastor Teddy, 5-30-04, 2:06 a.m.:

Consider how we ought to pity these anonymous haters. What kind of church are ~~they~~ going to that counsels their kind of hatred? Who is giving them advice about getting on with their lives? Some of have been away from GGWO 15 or more years and are ~~still~~ obsessing about it instead of keeping busy doing God's work. Sad, sad, sad.

A fellow lightning rod

[LJW (64.12.116.66)]

Anon 149, 5-30-04, 2:54 a.m.:

You say questions are asked and not answered?
That works two ways. After reading the article in the Sun I came on these boards and saw outlandish and lying accusations about my church and its leaders. Because I hadn't seen the things they were alleging, I asked again and again and again for ~~specifics~~ and times and dates. More to the point, I asked: If Pastor is the wretch you all claim him to be, why did Jesus fulfill all those promises made to Pastor all those years ago?

Because I dared question the haters, I became a target for their hate, insults, and demands I get off these boards. But I got ~~no~~ answers.

Considering how productive Pastor's ministry has been, what have you all been doing over the years since leaving Greater Grace? How have ~~you~~ been serving the Lord? Inquiring minds want to know!

[Xavier Roberts (152.163.253.102)]

Loretta,

You truly baffle me with your double standards! People who "hate" on this board have the church they attend questioned by you, yet you go on to encourage Teddy's violent response?? Maybe we should question the church you attend (GGWO by your own admission)? Oh wait, that’s what this message board is all about, questioning GGWO. In no way am I attacking your character.

There is much filth on this board, but you and many others prove what the dissenters have said about the abusive culture of GGWO. I know many people outside of GGWO who are monitoring this board and you know what? They aren't shocked that Carl Stevens is hooked on drugs or that there is corruption in the leadership, that stuff happens everyday. What they tell me is that they can't believe how rude and abusive the GGWO defenders tend to be. Even with all the filth posted here people on the outside can weed through the slander and the maligning and see the truth for themselves. You help show people the truth and I thank you for that. It’s funny, you’d think Satan, who is capable of reading the Bible and knows what has been prophesied would be able to come up with a different plan, you know? Here on FactNet there is a kind of likeness to that scenario. The dissenters predicted exactly how GGWO and their defenders would respond, yet you defenders couldn’t come up with a different plan... Sad indeed.

So, please know I am not discouraging you from posting here. By golly, keep it up dear woman!

God bless,
Xavier Roberts

[ff (68.166.67.195)]

Let God be God and man be a liar.
Gossiping is a abomination to God.
You all people are bored in life. Do something productive instead of Gossiping.

[KDuhamel (24.60.78.215)]

Loretta,

I am one of those who have been out of the ministry for many years. And no, I cannot show you a thriving ministry and say, this is my fruit. And for a time, I even lost my faith and walked in dark, desolate places. There were times I did not know what was true. But I laid prostrate before Him and cried out for His mercy--for light, for understanding. And He was faithful. Though I was weak, bruised and feint of heart--He was faithful. I have learned to abide in Him--that is all I have as a validation of my life.

-Karen

[Anonymous (216.183.184.131)]

ff;

When its about you its "gossip",
and when its about those you don't like its'
"just the facts" as I have heard carl stevens rationalize it in his raps many times.

[LJW (64.12.116.66)]

CK, 5-31, 9:31 a.m.:

The term for those on here who take glee in inflicting pain is schadenfreude (getting enjoyment from others' troubles).

Posters on here keep demanding that pastors come on to "answer questions," but when any do, they are accused of lying and told they are somehow deluded, and on and on and on.

The haters on here live to humiliate people with their lies and insults. The allegations are very broad without being specific, and when I have dared to ask questions, I have come under a barrage of attacks, as I'm sure you have seen.

If they think GGWO is so wretched, what can be said about the churches they are now attending which teach them to hate and hurt people and spend hours of their time posting their vitriolics?

[LJW (64.12.116.66)]

MPD, 6-1-04, 9:42 p.m.:

Has it occurred to you that the detractors spewing their hatred on these boards are themselves victimizing some of us?

They have told lies that I know are lies, yet if I attempt to get them to be specific and not "So-and-so is a liar and manipulator," the cowards won't specify.

I have come under their vicious attacks and allegations merely because I asked questions. Anyone who claims on here not to see the things these haters allege is in for a bombardment of insults.

We love our church and experience great joy at it, so you better believe we are going to defend it. I refuse to believe all the haters posting on these boards are merely innocent victims of a Svengali-like man. If they think it's such a wicked, unforgiveable thing to inflict pain on someone, why are they doing the same?!

I say whatever church and counseling they have gotten since leaving GGWO is failing them miserably, otherwise they'd be keeping busy working for the Lord, not on here posting hate messages about a church many have not been in literally for years.

[Anonymous (64.12.116.66)]

Mrs. Willits,

To clarify -

I have never claimed that "Pastor is a wretch" as you accuse.

I have only addressed you respectfully.

You are drawing assumptions about me by extrapolation.

I serve my Lord daily. I choose to keep my service to Him private.

Anon 149 5-30-04 2:54 a.m.

[Anonymous (64.12.116.66)]

Loretta, You keep inferring that we are some group altogether, all organized to take out GG. Most of us on this forum don't know each. People from all corners of the earth, young people and old people, saved and probably unsaved. THERE IS NO "GROUP"! It is an open forum Loretta, the concept is "open" meaning anyone from anywhere can speak what they want. They and they alone are responsible for their words, not the non-existent group. Stop blaming all the board for what a person said.

I for one, hate the mocking and maligning, but I believe in this forum because of the serious issues it addresses. It continues because individuals like you feel the need to address the petty stuff. If you really want it to stop, stop talking to the ones that bait you. You nor I can control anyone here. Ignore them and they will go away. Then please join us in serious discussions about the current situation in GGWO.

[Anonymous (64.12.116.66)]

Amen.

[LJW (64.12.116.66)]

Karen, 6-2-04, 6:38 a.m.:

Gee, is it ~~just possible~~ that the reason we aren't "alarmed" that some out there think our church is "aberrant" is because it ISN'T?

Not necessarily in this order:

I arrive early to socialize with wonderful friends I have made at GGWO.
Then there is the quieting-down time while someone prays for our country's leaders, for the trouble in the mid-East, etc., etc.,
Then announcements are made about activities like sports events, graduations and so on. Prayers are requested for those hospitalized or ill.
First-time visitors are asked to stand to be recognized.
We are then led in several songs.
There are groups or soloists who sing.
Someone tells about Pastor's latest booklet.
Someone announces the collection will take place.
The collection is made while a group or soloist performs.
The sermon is given. Sometimes more than one.
Interspersed throughout the entire service are occasions where we laugh at sweet, innocent jokes and comments.
An altar call is made.
If any respond, some come forward to be introduced.
We sing a final song and a parting blessing is given.
Many linger afterward, inside and outside the church, laughing, chatting, socializing in general.
A rap session usually follows at Fellowship Hall.

Have I left anything out? What is "aberrant" about the above?

[LJW (64.12.116.66)]

Anon. 64, 6-2-04, 1:19 p.m.:

Gee, Anon. 64, what could be more "stupid" than to attend a church where you "never liked" the pastor? Tsk, tsk!

[Anonymous (64.12.116.66)]

LJW,

Of course if you really believe that is what Gg is all about, I understand your defense now.

We are talking about issues much beyond your view of "church".

You belong to a church where there is no accountiblity in the leadership. Meaning habitual sin can occur and NO ONE can do anything about it.

You belong to a church that the leaders believe it is ok to lie, self-serving lies. That is ok to get behind God's pulpit and lie.


You belong to a church that if you ever leave to attend another church, you are considered evil, you will be slandered by the pastor himself.

You belong to a church that believes it is more important to remain in GG than save a marriage. That if you have a child that leaves the ministry you should break fellowship with them. Your own children.

You belong to a church that has seperated itself from the rest of Christianity.


You belong to a church that will discard anyone, if they cross pastor, that includes his own son Paul. You belong to a church where believers within those walls on Sunday morning are suffering because pastor has told other believers they are evil because they continue to love Pastor Paul.

You belong to church run by corrupt and dishonest men who will stop at nothing to keep their corruption covered by deceit and lies.

So Loretta, enjoy your church as you see it and keep ignoring the truth. It doesn't stop being the truth just because you choose to believe these things do not exist.

[LJW (64.12.116.66)]

Anon 205, 6-2-04, 7:26 p.m.:

Gee, Anon. 205, if that church in Timonium is so great, why don't you go there? No, you want to stay at GGWO to stir up all the trouble you can. I can't wait for you to approach me there.

No church is perfect because humans are the congregants. Sooner or later that "spiritual church" in Timonium will have its scandals, its malcontents, its liars and trouble-makers like you.

[Anonymous (64.12.116.66)]

Does anyone even read Loretta's posts anymore?

[LJW (64.12.116.66)]

Karen 6-3-04, 8:13 a.m.:

Pastor "routinely screams . . .from the pulpit"?! What a liar you are! I have ~~never~~ heard Pastor scream. He has a soft-type voice that is incapable of screaming.

When you claim absurdities like that, any wonder some of us have a problem believing anything you say?

[Anonymous (64.12.116.66)]

LJW

Pastor for thirty years has screamed from the pulpit. Karen is not a liar. Pastor has changed over the last couple years because of drug abuse, that is why he is incapable of screaming along with alot of other things he is now incapable of.

[Anonymous (24.172.35.20)]

Pastor has never screamed?

LJW there are tapes in my possesion and half the people I know with him screaming.

If anything I would imagine in his early days it was pretty cool to here CHS bounce a bible verse off the back of the wall with his pitch and his ability to recall certain verses.

Sorry your somebody who thinks that Vice Chair is somebody you just happen to recall writing "Pastor Robinson" in your notebook.

You have never heard Pastor Scream.

I say the man has some talents you have not witnessed in your trip to Moravia Park Drive.

For goodness sakes Widow LJW give the man some proper credit here.

Have you ever heard him get excited and see him slap the pulpit? Or a quick nod of his head when something stirs in him. I use to marvel at his sense of timing, and delivery. He is an ole style Baptist Pastor who given the right motivation can shake his congregation.

Maybe you are speaking about some other Carl Stevens Jr.

You need to go watch some tapes honey and see the man in his prime. He scare the devil out of lucifer if you got to him on the right night.

Maybe you are deaf, and blind.

Say what you want the man does have some real skills with words.

GET RIGHT WOMEN! WHAT R U STUPID? YOU NEED TO FIND GOD!

[LJW (64.12.116.66)]

Xavier, 6-3-04, 4:30 p.m.:

Well, Xavier, I'll tell you how "violent" I would be if I could get my hands on that illegal forger who used my name to post the ultimate vulgarity on these boards. I would forget I am a lady!

Detractors on these boards say the most rotten lies and spread malicious gossip and in many other ways deliberately provoke responses from those of us who get joy at GGWO, and then, hypocrits that you are, you feign surprise that not all the responses are polite? Pass the barf bag!

If you are afraid of a man with serious back problems, that is your problem. Poor you, I bet you are shaking in your shoes. :^D

[Anonymous (64.12.116.66)]

24, she just joined GG three years ago, she has not met the man you speak of and we all know so well. Plus he has been around alot this past year, he wasn't there Wednesday night. His most vocal defender on factnet doesn't even know him.

[Anonymous (24.172.35.20)]

I honestly think that Loretta would defend GGWO no matter what people who have put up there real stories of which can be verified she gives no credit too.

Thats just sick.

WOMoN GET RIGHT!

[lee (65.96.56.161)]

Loretta, you really made me lol!

Your pastor has screamed for many many years! I do recall him preaching that if a mother yelled at her kids , she was off.

I am offended at you calling my friend Karen a liar. I've known her for years and I've read all her posts.....she hasn't lied. Please retract that statement.

[Anonymous (64.12.116.66)]

LW will not respond to these current discussions because she going after each and every posting and she is still back at 4:30 today! Loretta you make me laugh, I mean that in kindness.

[Anonymous (64.12.116.66)]

And you are right Lee. Karen is the kindest and godly-natured poster among us. Loretta, to those of us that know Karen well, it seems like you just called Jesus himself a liar. That makes you seem very silly to the rest of us.

[Anonymous (24.172.35.20)]

I can hear Pastor screaming at LW's stupidity now.

LOL!

IMHO You must be sleeping during service. No you must be on heavy medication. No then again maybe you are dead.

Anybody who doesn't know Carl Stevens can bounce that Maine gravel pitch with the R's in places they don't belong and removed in the right places, simpy doesn't appreciate him enough.

Honor the man for God sake LW! What are you asleep, medicated or dead?

[Anonymous (64.12.116.66)]

24, LW will not be joining us until she completes her mission of attacking every single poster, she is back at 4:30 still.

And it wasn't LW who was medicated during services...

[Anonymous (24.172.35.20)]

Now, now in a congregation that size there must be a few folks medicated.

I mean after all, think about it. If you don't notice that Pastor Carl Stevens talents than you must be on something or dead.

OK I repent she is dead, she is back at 4:30 still.

DEAD, DEAD Women Get RIGHT!

[LJW (64.12.116.66)]

Anon. 64, 6-3-04, 6:21 p.m.:

Most of your posting is nothing but broooooaaaad allegations.

If I were to leave and Pastor slandered me, what would it matter? I wouldn't know about it because I'd be gone. Anyone who was still there who loved me wouldn't believe the slander anyway, if they ever heard it.

The church has "seperated [sic] itself from the rest of Christianity"???!!! How did it do that? Why would it do that? If that is the case, why have we had guest pastors from other churches give sermons at GGWO? Why did our church participate in the "One Church" held at Oriole Park the other year? Huh? Huh?

As for the church "discarding" anyone "crossing pastor [sic]" including his own son Paul, and then telling people they are "evil" if they continue to love Pastor Paul, LISTEN UP! Pastor Paul was in church Sunday. He made an announcement that the church in Aberdeen is "not another church, it's part of this church." He went on to say he is not "gone," that he is involved with GGWO and that it will "go on."

God continues to bless Greater Grace. The young people's music groups have won no less than ~~seven~~ first place trophies against much larger schools. The sports tems have also won trophies.

So you see, you are decidely wrong about GGWO separating itself from the rest of Christianity" and you most certainly are wrong about Pastor Paul being "discarded." Are you going to apologize? Hah! I won't hold my breath.

[Anonymous (64.12.116.66)]

Loretta,

I think you've proven yet again what I said in my post to you and I need not address you anymore.

To those of you who have never attended GGWO, to be fair to the other beautiful GGWO congregants, they are not all vicious and unstable like Loretta is. BUT rest assured there are plenty like her and just as unstable.

(in my best Michael Marr tone impression)
You see folks, this is the type of behavior that Carl Stevens' GGWO has fostered in people for years on end!

Xavier
(Oops, hope I didn't libel or slander Michael Marr attorney at law there!)

[talkintruth (152.163.253.102)]

Hi Loretta,
Sometimes you ask why people are still at GG or why they still care. I know you've asked the question several times or mentioned that people can't let go.

Something occurred to me today (in a different setting but still related to GGWO.) Maybe some of these people who are still there are standing in the gap -- like in Eze 22:30........Maybe some have been called to walk in those doors each week to still take in a little extra truth and light. There is a cloud over this ministry -- not everyone but some for sure -- and a cloud over many in leadership, but Jesus loves every person in there. Jesus loves Pastor Stevens. No one here debates that.

I've said before that I think we have to work very hard to go to hell because Jesus throws us so many life lines. He doesn't want any of us to end up in hell. I don't see this board as 100 million percent satanic as someone said pastor said from the altar. (Sorry I didn't look the exact quote up.) I think pastor could have said it another way. He could have said that the mercy of God is being poured out on this church so that God can break away what needs to be broken away. I think He is throwing a life line to those who are in that ministry who have a sincere heart for Him by shaking up what's corrupt. If you don't think he will stir things up to get our attention, think about old Nebuchadnezzar. (Or Nebby as he is known in our house.)

That's why I'm thinking that God has put it on some hearts to stand in the gap. He knows the limits. When it is too much, he backs that one out and brings in another. It's not because He has to, He is God. But God is ALWAYS teaching us. I think those who are standing in the gap are getting lessons in compassion, so He is using them too. He is teaching everyone. Believe me, I don't think I could go in there every week. I know I couldn't. I am humbled by those who do.

I know that I could really relate to a post that Karen made earlier. I can only speak for my own life when I look over it and say how thankful I am that at different times God had someone who was willing to stand in the gap for me. I look back and thank God so much that He has taken the time to pull me up and say, "Hey - Do we need to go around the mountain again? Been there done that now get back where you are supposed to be." Then there are times that I wallowed in the pig slop a little too long (like the lost son in Luke 15:11) I'm known to still take a dip in the slop now and then - lol There were times, that I think I had to stay there a while to remember how difficult life is when I put faith in the world or in a man/Pastor and not God's way. Don't get me wrong. I don't think God ever leaves us there to watch us suffer. There were times in my life that it just took me a little longer to find my way out. Sometimes we have to hit our knees before we can get on our feet, and it was His mercy that let me hit my knees. Without exception, someone always stood in the gap long enough for me to head back down the road to the Father. Without exception He has been there every time. Loretta, can't you read Neil's posts and see where he has stood in the gap? He's just one example. There are many others.

We can love Jesus Christ and not make him Lord. That is simply not good enough for Him. In school, the morning prayer says, "Bless pastor and all he has done for us." No, no, no. He hasn't done anything. We can love people, ask God to bless them, thank them when they help us, etc. but this is a different attitude when it comes to pastor. Loretta, P. Stevens knows that, and he allows it. I hear a lot of people talk about how many souls they have won at GGWO and how many souls Pastor Stevens has won. I think even you have talked about all the souls Pastor Stevens has won. Pastor Stevens has not won one single soul. Only Jesus can do that. If a person has ears to hear, and no one from GGWO is there to be the vessel, then God will find another. No one at GGWO has any power, and that should be a relief to them. No one has done "Great things" in that sense. All the glory goes to God for every soul that has been won on this earth. There should be no glory for anyone at GGWO...the glory goes to God alone. That's why He has some standing in the gap now.

I think that for every negative on this board there has been 10 or more that are here for the right reason. Satan doesn't care if we have a middle of the road walk with God. It is when we take one step closer to Him that he will throw everything he has at us. I think satan has thrown some things at this board, but God has already won the war so he can handle those battles.

I'm sorry to ramble on, but the battle has been especially hard lately, and I think God has just been reminding me that it's okay - He has it in hand. There are people standing in the gap, and Loretta I think some of those people are the ones you see as obsessed.

In Christ,
TT

[Anonymous (24.172.35.20)]

LW!

Get a grip!

You have no idea what Pastor Paul is going through!

You have no concept of what his heart wants to do.

How do you know he is not posting here?

How do you know that he wants desperatly to do the right thing and say the right thing but he cares about his father so mcuh that he has trouble standing up to him.

You strike me as somebody who needs lots of help.

Maybe you should go see Pastor Bilowith, I hear he is good with people like you.

Maybe he will ignore you to death or freak you out so hard that you will go to another church and get right.

You need to get RIGHT!

[LJW (64.12.116.66)]

Oh, what wicked thinking some of you are doing, implying I am DEAD?! I am far from it. And now the claims that ~~I~~ am medicated? Tell me, am I also "addicted"? Is everyone who opposes you "medicated"?

I had double-bypass surgery seven years ago, and you better believe I am "medicated," and that my doctors have told me not to NOT take my pills that control my blood pressure, cholesterol and water retention. I just saw my doctor yesterday and he said he is proud of how well I am doing.

I will tell you this, you rotten sickos, I am a lightning rod. Strike at me all you want. As long as you are picking on me you're leaving someone else alone.

[Anonymous (24.172.35.20)]

Oh LW don't worry we won't give you much more time.

Your to dead, I am sorry sick for us to pick on.

Your the sickoooooo, you just said soooo

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Unfortunately, we have all tried to reach Loretta, she is not listening. Time to start our renewed vision on moderation on this board. I think it is time to stop addressing Loretta's silly venture of defending a ministry she obviously knows nothing about. Time to ignore Loretta, pray for her but ignore.

[LJW (64.12.116.66)]

Anon 24, 6-3-04, 8:13 p.m.:

You are in serious need of reading comprehension lessons! I in no way have attacked Pastor Paul or said anything derogatory about him! I have been pointing out to those detractors who keep claiming Pastor Paul has been "banished," "discarded," or whatever, that Pastor Paul has been at Greater Grace on a regular basis. So they had their facts wrong and I was "RIGHT" to correct them. :^D

[Anonymous (64.12.116.66)]

oh PLEASE JOHN BILOWITH is such a FREAK! by the way there was a church in timonium. i wouldn't give you the address to any place nor give you the time of day. you are all running scared. pastor paul is great and steve is a moron as you people happen to use that word so often. let us not forget stinkin' too. pastor excuse me carl is always screaming but true he hasn't been able to do much in the last couple of years. one of the earlier posts was so true. some of you people won't get no matter what. i will pray for your soles. that you have enough rubber on them to meet the road as you run like hell for your souls.

[Anonymous (64.12.116.66)]

Loretta is :Loyalty to a fault;
If she had been freinds with Jeffrey Dahmer the serial killing cannabil, She would be bashing everyone here for criticizing a man with an eating disorder.
Whether or not GGWO is a cult, she is the perfect profile for those who become a member of a cult.

Check out some of those other "religious groups"
sometime on fact-net, there are a lot of creepy parralells to GGWO and Loretta

[Anonymous (64.12.116.66)]

Eating disorder! LOL Great analogy, 64!

[Anonymous (68.82.183.197)]

>>Check out some of those other "religious groups"
sometime on fact-net, there are a lot of creepy parralells to GGWO and Loretta >>>


Fact net is not Fact it is opinion take the time to read the disclaimers. Anyone can post whatever their opinion is.

[Anonymous (68.82.183.197)]

Please people if you want to discuss issues that is one thing, but please stop turning on each other. You accomplish nothing in this.

DA

[Anonymous (152.163.253.102)]

So what was the subject anyway. Barbara Stevens, where was she when Pastor had his accident. Oh that's right the kids are taking care of him. Question is where is the dutiful wife? What is going on with that? Lift Barbara Higher. lol

[Anonymous (152.163.253.102)]

The hospital felt that Barbara and Carl's household was unsafe. I guess that means that household is unsafe for BOTH of them.

[Anonymous (64.12.116.66)]

What because of all statues of Carl that they both worship. lol

[Anonymous (4.139.27.66)]

Are those "helping" and "covering" Pastor Stevens error of his ways Adult Children of Alcoholics or do they have a history of other mental health issues? Curiosity stems from the observable co-dependent behavior of the "clean up crew" after "Pastor's" car accident.

Fact is, many GGWO pastor's may be described as: having been married and divorced numerous times, former hit-men, former drug addicts, have formerly resided in mental institutions, been former Vietnam veterans who personify P.T.S.D. [post traumatic stress syndrome] and according to one source, have apparently experienced suicidal ideations.

Some may argue in response, did not God use MANY biblical examples of sinners for his greatest work? True, and in some cases at GGWO, God continues to do His work through the "jaw bone of the ass." However, we need to continue to pray for the emotional and psychological healing of those formerly and currently involved without and within GGWO.

Unfortunately, as long as there are "dysfunctional people" in this world; organizations and systems, such as, Greater Grace World Outreach will continue to seduce and manipulate the naive for self-profit.


ACOA's and others, please seek Jesus Christ's wisdom and professional help to prevent future seduction into emotionally and/or financially destructive situations.

[Anonymous (64.12.116.66)]

Good point 4.139, Just as we see abused women continue to be drawn into abusive relationships, we, as the spiritually abused need to seek help/understanding not to be abused once again.

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Precisely.

[LJW (64.12.116.66)]

Anon (64.12), 6-3-04, 11:09 p.m.:

Gee, Anon. 64.12, when you check the oratories of the fascists, communists, KKK grand poobahs, and other hate groups there are "creepy parralells [sic]" to the haters of GGWO posting on these boards. Tell a big enough lie often enough and people will believe it, right?

Anyone not swallowing the allegations spouted on these boards by the haters comes in for all kinds of insults, their intelligence is doubted, their sanity is questioned, and other sicko tactics. Like I've said before, I am a lightning rod, strike away! While you're attacking me you're leaving other people alone. :^D

Philowl@aol.com

[Loretta J. Willits (64.12.116.66)]

Talkin, 6-3-04, 8:10 p.m.

"I'm sorry to ramble on,"???? Are you? But so many of your postings ramble on and on and on.

It is arrogant of you to take a name like "Talkin Truth" as if anyone not agreeing with your rambles ~~is not~~ talking the truth. You make all these claims implying God is on your side, which makes it that He couldn't possibly be on my side, right?

You don't go to GGWO and you don't sit in the classrooms, but you ramble on and on and on as if you know what you're talking about when you can't possibly know! You are going by hearsay.

Better watch out, Talkin, that halo you've put over your head might slip down and become a noose.

[Anonymous (68.33.184.79)]

Loretta is back and needs to make up for lost time...What You Talkin 'bout Willits?!?

[Anonymous (152.163.253.102)]

Loretta,
YOU are not one to accuse anyone else of rambling on and on!!!!

[Regina (152.163.253.102)]

"Gee, Anon. 64.12, when you check the oratories of the fascists, communists, KKK grand poobahs, and other hate groups there are "creepy parralells [sic]" to the haters of GGWO posting on these boards. Tell a big enough lie often enough and people will believe it, right? "

Yes, this is very true. However, the BIG lie is from Carl Stevens himself.

The fact of the matter is that Carl Stevens has believed his lies for so long he wouldn't even be able to recognize truth if you posted it on his forehead. He is so far gone into his own lies that he will never turn to the absolute Biblical truth. Strange, the parallel between Carl Stevens and Adolph Hitler. I believe that it was Hitler himself that said that people are more willing to believe a big lie rather than the truth. Disgusting, isn't it?

Regina

[Anonymous (64.12.116.66)]

Yes, it is, Regina.

[Anonymous (67.208.13.105)]

Loretta ,

Thanks for coming back I could use the comic relief of your self proclaimed "high I.Q."
but unfortunately dear, this board is about Barbara...
Dont be jealous....

As for the rambling on accusation, take a look at most of your posts, most of the time they are the longest of the day.

[Anonymous (64.12.116.66)]

Well we all know that LW is off her rocker when she takes aim at TalkinTruth!

Go to bed woman.. You have get to good seat for the show tomorrow. By the way, that S C O T T R O B I N S O N that was preachin' on Wed. night.

Wanda C.

[Anonymous (4.139.6.215)]

64.12.116.66 aka Wanda C:

Do you sing in church?

To stay on topic - Barbara Stevens doesn't!

[Anonymous (65.96.153.178)]

"DON'T MAKE ME COME DOWN THERE! Signed God...

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Loretta they are about to have somebody watch over you since you have totally lost it like our Beloved Pastor

[talkintruth (152.163.253.102)]

Hi Loretta,
Here goes a little blame. Me lovin' Irish Daddy did pass on the gift of gab to me, alas the rambling. All kidding aside, I have been trying to cut my posts down, but sometimes I do go on too long making a point or finishing a thought.

Regarding your comment about me not sitting in a classroom....As long as I have a child that sits at a desk in GGCA, then a part of me sits in every one of their classrooms. As long as Pastor Baker wanted to accept our tuition payments every year, then I have a seat in each of my children's classrooms and a voice at the school. As parents, we do spend time around the school.We do keep a finger on the pulse of what happens when it concerns our children. All of that gives me a voice in GGCA whether P. Baker thinks it does or not.

Re: my name....just picked it because the IP numbers confuse me, and because I think that TRUTH is one word that's important to me. It was what I kept asking for all along. I have just never gotten the truth from GGWO/GGCA leadership, so I had to go research it for myself.

Regarding my halo....goodness I hope I haven't given you the impression that I feel I need one of those Loretta. I mean that. If I had ever had a halo, there were plenty of years that I would have been using it as a Frisbee - believe you me. I agree with you 100%, if I thought I needed a halo, it would turn into a noose. I think that is the case for anyone. I was just sharing some of my experiences.

God Bless you Loretta.
TT

[Anonymous (64.12.116.66)]

What is Farrah, I mean Barbara doing today besides get her old man more "pain" killers. They do make a good company. I hope they took some of that money and invested in a pharmaceutical company.

[RJ (141.154.186.91)]

I would like to say a word or two about Barbara. I knew her a little when she was engaged to Pastor Stevens, and then when she was first married to him in Lenox. She was painfully shy and nervous with the large crowds and often ducked into the bookstore to escape the rush of people...especially Wednesdays when many branch ministries came for "staff meeting"...Pastor's rap. She was sweet, almost too nice *s* and I saw people snub her and take advantage of her. I would tell her she didn't HAVE to smile in the bookstore if she didn't want to. She's always chuckle and say "thanks". I think she had few real friends at the time and was lonely.

It seemed so obvious to me she loved Pastor Stevens, but that she was nervous and ill at ease with majority of the people on campus. She was kind, funny, and determined to be the wife to him that he wanted. Must not always have been easy for her, and sometimes it showed. People also didn't feel an easy comfortability with her....so she became ever more isolated. I liked her very much, would not have chosen her path as a wife, but she seemed sincere, caring and always went out of her way to be kind to me.

Perhaps judging the woman harshly is amusing to some, but I do not think it is wise or Godly to do so. She is who she is before God and though it is true I have not seen her in the past years, the Barbara I knew needed prayer and kindness, not nasty remarks and judgment.

Roberta

[Anonymous (80.74.211.246)]

Thanks Roberta!

[Anonymous (4.139.3.144)]

I'll ask Barbara instead...

People have been debating over an apparent love triangle between: your husband, yourself and Roberta Hall-Powell.

Could you please clarify some misconceptions about this situation?

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

I stand naked before you...that is all.

[Anonymous (4.139.9.160)]

205.188.117.20:

Whatever do you mean?

[Anonymous (4.139.15.13)]

Thank you for answering Barbara. Can you please clear up this mess with some truth? PLEASE!

[Anonymous (4.139.15.13)]

Or are you infering that the "naked truth" is out for all to behold?

[Eyewitness (65.96.153.178)]

Here are some facts to consider:

1978 - Barbara Baum ( Now Mrs Carl Stevens)originally from Pennsylvania, worked at a Pharmacy in Hereford, Maryland and was addicted to "Fiorinal". She had easy access to this drug because she worked with her friend Suzanne Peters who was a pharmacist and who owned the pharmacy with her Husband Mahlon. Drug use may have involved other prescription drugs.Suzanne Peters eventually lost her Pharmacy Liscence because of Drug abuse.

Barbara attended Towson University and graduated as a social work major. She dated a then Law School student Mattie Paavlov who was Suzanne Peters brother. Barbara and Mattie had dated for many years prior to her being called to Lenox by Carl Stevens. Barbara and Mattie had planned on getting married.

Suzannes husband Mahlon, committed suicide using drugs and alchohol cocktail.

A short time later Suzanne became Mrs Ed Wagner. Ed wagner was a Pastor at GGWO. Ed Wagner was or presented himself as Carl Stevens Body Guard, and was favored by Carl and frequented many of his engagements. Some say he was Mafiosa.

Barbara met Carl Stevens at one of the meetings held at a Maryland High School and at that meeting Carl immediately expressed his interest in Her. His knickname for her was "The Blonde Bombshell". Barbara was 25 years old and Carl was 49 years old - the same age as Barbara's mother.

Carl told her that She was to be his wife a short time later after she took his invitation to visit him in Lenox. He put her up in a room at the mansion "Shermahorn". Carl persuaded a lonely and drug addicted Barbara that He would take care of her. She broke-off her relationship with Mattie and moved to Lenox to be with Carl. She had many issues that needed healing and change.Her only interest in Carl initially was as a father figure and she liked the prestige of his position. She may have wanted an escape from an addictive and self abusive lifestyle and valued the protection and the security that distance and a "Christian" environment afforded. Carl was committed to counselling and careing for her rehabilitation, and maturing into the woman he wanted her to be.

Barbara Baum was a candidate with the Willamena and Ford modeling agency. She was being primed as a high-fashion model in Europe, but due to family problems did not pursue that career, and the lifestyle of Drugs and Sex that it provided.

Carl had several women whom he was dating at the same time. They were all interested in being chosen by him. They were Roberta Hall, Barbara Baum, and Suzanne Peters-Wagner (while she was yet a widow).

They all traved in what appeared to be a lifestyle of the rich and famous. They were escorted with an enterage of beautifully dressed women - and eligeble young men in Carl's Custom van, and Lincoln Continental. They were the Jet set and "in" crowd, and it was everyones secret desire to have the opportunity to do likewise. Thus the mystique and image was born.

These women would have done anything to get a piece of him. It was the "mating game" played-out before all. Carl Could do no wrong.

These were mostly a very young and impressionable
Lot.Carl was not.

[Anonymous (64.12.116.66)]

I got the impression that Barbara liked women. It is very common in the modeling field.

[Eye Witness (65.96.153.178)]

Intersting Point. What did Carl save Barbara from or why did she feel safe with him. In all fairness many have issues that take a lifetime to address. Repression is very dangerous because something, eventually has to give. I think that's what we are seeing on many of the postings throughout this web site.

[Anonymous (152.163.253.102)]

Yes, Barbara wanted a father figure and instead she got a father of evil and deception.

[Anonymous (152.163.253.102)]

Is this another "The end jusify the means"?

[Anonymous (4.139.15.250)]

Isaiah 42:8 "I am the Lord; that is My name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Hello Barbara. The 80's are calling and they want their hairstyle back.

[Anonymous (68.38.195.85)]

please do not be harmful to barbra she is a very hurt women and sheltered, but in her youner years she had a good friend sally who has a flower shop in baltimore, they both ran into one another and tried to become friends again but sally didnt want to join the church so they didnt keep in touch, sally did say that barbra changed a lot and became shy, she used to go to gay bars and have gay friends but that ended when she came into the teacheings of sinners to hang out with. i do hope that all will be healed from hurts and pains of the people that have gotten into this communitor of cult or commonal society.

[Anonymous (4.139.6.40)]

If the allegations about Barbara and her husband's addictive pasts and present are true; they both must REALLY be struggling with keeping clean under the pressure of the present circumstances.

After all, addictive behavior is shame-based and God knows many shameful things are being brought to light...

Perhaps this is their "bottom" and they will truly seek the professional help needed to be released of their addictions; that is, if all told is true!

[Anonymous (216.183.184.131)]

To: 4.139

Professional help was always considered a taboo at GGWO or TBS. To admit seeing a psychiatrist or Psychologist was saying you could not get healed by the messages preached. In GGWO that is the equivalent of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
Most human beings when in such a condition that you describe need assistance from others to show them where to start the healing process. I also know as a first hand witness in the Health Care profession that a sick person has to be a willing participant to begin the healing process. (see the Gospels about that one) I hope I did not misunderstand what you were saying.

[Anonymous (4.139.30.220)]

Hey, we haven't heard from Pastor Teddy lately...

Maybe leadership at GGWO threatened to revoke his "potty privileges" with "Pastor" if he didn't button his mouth!

For those who don't know, "potty privileges" refers to the practice of 10 to 20 men "devotedly" following Stevens into the john.

[Anonymous (4.139.12.146)]

At least her migranes give her an excuse to say,

"NOT TONIGHT HONEY I'VE GOT A HEADACHE!"

After all, how would you like to be married to a known womanizer.

In defense of these allegations; consideration must be given to the fact that he probably can't even get it up anymore.

That is unless he's foolishly taking Viagra after 50 years of age or has had a penis implant.

Does anyone know if there is a problem with drug interaction between Oxycontin and Viagra?

[Anonymous (4.139.12.11)]

Don't you think Oxycontin, implants and Viagra are a good use for your tithes and offerings Greater Grace World Outreach congregation?

Who cares about the needs of the: poor, hungry and lost as long as your idol is all "dolled up" for service!

[Anonymous (4.139.12.11)]

"Pastor" may receive a consulting fee and salary from Steve Taylor; but who provides Stevie's cheap labor? You guessed it!

[Anonymous (67.163.201.62)]

Is it true that Stevie pays his laborers a whopping $8 an hour while he lives in luxury?

[Anonymous (152.163.253.102)]

Barbara Stevens is busy reading hair and fashion magazines from the 80's to brush up on her look for convention. She is also looking at some videotapes of Tammy Faye and is looking at getting some make up permanently tatooed on her face. Gosh does anybody remember The Return of Killer Clowns? lol

[Anonymous (68.55.83.36)]

I thought Betsy D. was dupped into giving a million dollars to GGWO. Carl profilied to her that Barbara's headaches would be healed if she gave. Why does she STILL HAVE HEADACHES? Maybe she doesn't just have a headache, but she married to one.He seems to profilie a lot.

[Anonymous (4.139.18.50)]

Maybe when the money had to be returned the headaches came back?

Nay...

However, if you DO believe this; perhaps you'd be interested in purchasing some nice "beachfront" property in Arizona at VERY reasonable price?

[Anonymous (152.163.253.102)]

Barbara Stevens is coming out with a book entitled, "I can think of 6 million ways to relieve my migranes"

[Anonymous (152.163.253.102)]

She should write a movie sequel
- how to lose a pastor in 10 days-

[Anonymous (152.163.253.102)]

Barbara Stevens needs to come clean with God and I don't mean her husband who thinks he is plus the body as a whole. She is been deceiving all for years and never did get over her addiction with prescription drugs.

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

I saw Barbara Stevens coming out of Macys and she reeked of alcohol. There is no denying it. I know that face and hair anywhere. Let's not forget the perfume. She wasn't too steady on the feet, but if you lit a match it would have been all over. Yeah she was lit! I guess this is too much and she is waiting for her pain medication. I guess I would try to numb out too if I deceived the body for all these years too. Let's not forget our migranes.

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Take a picture next time "205" because NOBODY believes you that you saw her coming out of Macy's.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

To the poster who posted at 4:09 p.m. on 6/15

Is it true that Stevie pays his laborers a whopping $8 an hour while he lives in luxury?

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so what if he does you idiot, at least it pays more than McDonalds!!!!!!!!

If you don't like your wages GO SOMEWHERE ELSE THEN!!!!

When you own your own company then you can harass decent people like Steve Taylor.

Go jump in a lake if you have nothing better to do. Put a cement block attached to your ankle. It suits you.....perhaps maybe Steve Taylor might rescue you if you holler loud enough an apology to the ugly crap you wrote about him.

GREAT BALLS OF FIRE

[GREAT BALLS OF FIRE (205.188.117.20)]

THURSDAY, 6/3 @ 8:10 P.M....."205"...WROTE

"Unfortunately, we have all tried to reach Loretta, she is not listening. Time to start our renewed vision on moderation on this board. I think it is time to stop addressing Loretta's silly venture of defending a ministry she obviously knows nothing about. Time to ignore Loretta, pray for her but ignore. "

WELL BABY, LET ME INTRODUCE MYSELF...CALL ME "GREAT BALLS OF FIRE"......I'M GOING TO TORCH YOUR FAT HINEY RIGHT NOW!!!!!

THANK YOU GOD FOR LORETTA....THANK YOU GOD SHE HAS THE COMPASSION AND PASSION TO STAND UP TO THESE BLUNDERING IDIOTS.....

OH YEAH, PRAY FOR HER, BECAUSE GOD IS USING HER AND THE TROUBLE IS, YOU GET SO STINKING CONVICTED BY WHAT SHE WRITES, YOU CAN'T KEEP HER MOUTH QUIET!! HA HA HA HA HA...A LITTLE MIDNITE HUMOR HERE FOLKS.............

TROUBLE IS, GGWO HATERS, YOUR DAYS ARE NUMBERED.

NOT CARL STEVENS DAYS....YOURS!!!!!!

YOU PEOPLE THINK YOU ARE SO STINKING SMUG, SO SMART...WAIT TILL THE WRATH OF GOD HITS YOUR BACKSIDES, IT WON'T BE ANYTHING LIKE MY TORCH....

AND ME?? I'LL BE BASKING AWAY ON A CLOUD WITH MY LORD....OH MAYBE ONCE IN AWHILE I'LL SHED A TEAR OR TWO FOR YOU.....NOT FOR THE HELP YOU DIDN'T GET WHEN IT WAS AVAILABLE TO YOU.....BUT FOR SOME OF YOU THAT ENJOY BEING SPITEFUL AND CRITICAL AND HATEFUL AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.......THE THRILL OF GOD'S SPANKING YOUR HINEY'S IS FAR MORE WORTHWHILE...SHUCKS..I MAY EVEN PRAY FOR THE REDEMPTION OF YOUR SOULS WHILE I'M AT IT.

JUST CALL ME THE "GREAT BALLS OF FIRE" PENTEEECOOSSSSSTAAAAAAALLLLLLL WHO IS FULL OF THE HHHHHOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLYYYYYYYYY GGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTTT!!!

AND I'VE GOT MORE DDDDDDDEEEEEECCCCCCCERRRRRRRRNNNNNNMEENTTTTTTT IN MEEEEEEEEEE WEEEEEEEEE PPPPPPPPINKKKKKKKKKYYYY THAN YOU HAVE IN YOUR WICKED FAT SINFUL UNGODLY HATEFUL HEARTS!!!!!!!!!!

SO GO AHEAD, AND REBUKE AND TRY TO GET RID OF MS....... WILLETS.....

Y'ALL DON'T SCARE HER, AND YA SURE DON'T SCARE ME EITHER. YOU POST YOUR LIES.......GO AHEAD....AND WE'LL JUST CONTINUE TO KICK YO BUTZ........

LA LA LA
LA LA LA
LA LA LA DEE DAH (NAME THAT TUNE.......)

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Tuesday, June 15, 2004 - 06:49 pm
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The real problems, with GGWO as I see it are:

- lack of accountability in leadership
- lack of fiscal transparency and accountability
- over-emphasis on personality and not enough on Christ.
- mistreatment of dissenters and ex-members.

The problems I see with many who leave embittered are.

-unforgiveness, even after years of having left (Time does NOT heal, forgiveness does.)
- blaming others for your own decisions.
- blaming others for your own dysfuntionalism.
- desire for vengeance. they wil not be satisfied until GGWO is a pile of ashes.

posted originally by Sam Spade

[Cordell (66.90.181.249)]

205.188
No balls
No fire

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Tis you that has no balls Cordell

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

If you did you wouldn't hide under a rock pretending to be a texas ranger