WHERE DID THEY GO Thread 3

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Please post here.

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

Where did the Holy Spirit that once lived within this ministry years ago go to ?
And why?

[Anonymous (216.127.78.98)]

And the three men I admire the most,

The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost the caught the last plane for the......

Good Bye Miss American Pie drove my Chevy

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Whatever happened to Bruce Morgan, the prophet?

And does anyone remember Constance Cumbey and the hidden secrets of the rainbow?

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

What ever became of Bruce Morgan, the prophet?

And does anyone remember Constance Cumbey and her hidden secrets of the rainbow?

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

Consatnce Cumby was hustled off of TBS Campus quietly after her visit when Stevens found he had to defer to her Celebrity status back then (1984)
Stevens never could share the spotlight.

[Bob Brinton (151.203.188.20)]

Dr. Bruce Morgan...ah, a good memory. He preached on plucking corn on the Sabbath at the Barbara Stevens Memorial Chapel. You could tangibly feel Carl Stevens' discomfort. It was open sabotage. Thank you for bringing up his name. Bob

[Anonymous (63.170.71.99)]

We used to call it, "The Barbara Stevens Temple of Doom".

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

Yes Bob, I remember that message. I also remember the "emergency response" rap that followed in the cafeteria. The "balance" was a little leaven leaveneth the whole...beware...the inference was Dr. Morgan wasn't to be trusted. I too, have good memories of Dr. Morgan.

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

Does anyone know what happened to Ed Mosher or
Gary Lemaster?

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

Does anyone know what happend to Ed Mosher or
Gary Lemaster?

[Anonymous (65.96.153.178)]

David McAdams

http://newlife.org/pastmain.htm

[Louise Connolly (24.128.24.65)]

Where is Sylvia Benner?

[SJ (152.163.253.102)]

She is married to Pastor Baker

[Louise Connolly (24.128.24.65)]

Are they in TBS/GGWO? Who is PP Baker? Is that Dan Baker?

[SJ (152.163.253.102)]

Yes, Dan Baker, he is the principal of GGCA

[RJ (141.154.186.91)]

Anyone know what happened to...

Kathy Van Doren
Mark Hoza
Kevin Driscol
Dianne Carrado
Cathy Lyons

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

I stil wonder what happend to Pastors Ed Mosher
or Gary Lemaster. Anyone?

[Christine (151.196.29.122)]

Roberta;

Cathy Lyons in here in Baltimore. She left the ministry shortly after I did, about 15 years ago.
She works at a school for the blind, and just as in the past also does many, many other things as well to help people.
I will tell her you said hello!

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Does anyone know how to get in touch with Bill or Joni Fortin?

[lee (65.96.56.161)]

I'm still looking for Dawn Gellar.

[Anonymous (207.44.134.33)]

trama center is needed for this board.

Hurry, Hurry can neil help.

[Anonymous (141.154.186.91)]

.

[joshua morin (205.188.117.20)]

im looking for kelly gibbons any one have a clue?

[Anonymous (67.163.201.62)]

To:205 anon from June 21 post
Sorry to say that Bill and Joni fortin split up about 8 years ago.
Last I heard Bill lives in Belair, Md.
remarried and no longer in GGWO.

[Christine (151.196.29.122)]

Anyone know where Jeff and Tina McComis (I think that is their last name) are?

Also, Laurie Lutchque.
Dwight Allshouse.

[Louise Connolly (151.121.50.1)]

I enjoyed looking at Joel Freeman's website. I also was happy to read all the posts clarifying his exit from TBS/GGWO. Where is his brother Steve Freeman these days?

[RJ (141.154.186.91)]

Geoph and Tina are living in Haverhill MA, and they have two truly awesome teenage daughters. They are very happy and enjoying life away from GGWO. Tina is my dear friend and we call and write each other often. I will tell her you asked for her.

Roberta

[RJ (141.154.186.91)]

The last I heard of Laurie Lutchque (this was last summer) she was still in Florida, her husband passed away and that she and her kids were doing ok.

Roberta srfern#verizon.net

[RJ (141.154.186.91)]

Lee

The last I heard about Dawn Gellar was that she was required to leave Lenox by the leaders for being wrongly accused of lesbianism. I remember being furious at the time as she was a friend and I had always admired Dawn's work on the mission field. The last time I saw her was on the Lenox campus and she looked numbed by it all. Someone said at the time she went to stay with an aunt, grandmother or something like that. This was back in 86-87, and I have not heard a word about her since then. I tried for years to find anyone who might know where I might write to her but no one knew a thing as to her whereabouts.

Roberta

[Cordell (66.90.181.249)]

Steve Freeman is getting ready to go to the Dominican Republic as a missionary from a church near Harrisburg, PA. He's doing fine.

[Anonymous (207.7.192.246)]

"being wrongly accused of lesbianism"

Roberta, the word (according to CHS) is Lez-bean.

[Anonymous (80.74.212.140)]

Mike and Marla Klika
Jon and Marketta Boyce
Fred Gordon
Bruce Graham (band)

Is Cathy van Doren married to Franck Corbiere?

[Anonymous (68.38.195.85)]

where is shela bolin,frank scarpa, keven elwell, john&pat sulivan,lisa helinga,kim helinga,

[RJ (141.154.186.91)]

Are the Van Dorens still connected to GGWO?

Roberta

[lee (65.96.56.161)]

I think if you check out the web site for Jim Morrisons church...I forget where, you'll see Arnold Van Doren is an assoc pastor there.

Where's Dawn Gellar???

[rj (141.154.186.91)]

Is Brian Williams still with GGWO?

Roberta

[pop (80.74.212.64)]

Brian Williams is the senior pastor
in Helsinki, Finland

[Bob Brinton (151.203.185.49)]

Does anyone know anything about Alan Joy?

[Cordell (66.90.181.249)]

Any new readers know where Mark Bell is?

[Anonymous (24.172.44.98)]

How about the where abouts of Scott Debow?

I spoke with him for an hour the last night he worked the board at GGWO.

I heard about the loss of his only child.

He was one of the nicest people I have ever met.

Neil Carrick

[Cordell (66.90.181.249)]

What about Terry DuBose?

[just wondering (66.30.49.45)]

Neil-

Did you know Scott Markush? I think I remember you both from South Berwick many years ago.

The last time I saw him in Baltimore, I think he said he was ill with a neurological condition. Do you know how he is now?

God bless that fellow..

[Anonymous (24.60.233.113)]

I have been reading these messages for awhile now. I am a former TBS person who left. I am sorry to read how hurt a lot of you are. When it happened to me there was no internet. My 2 cents is that you have to forgive them in order for your own personal relationship with Christ not to be affected. I think God is revealing the truth in a lot of churches and ministries right now. A "correction" if you will. Forgiveness doesn't condone the behavior but it takes out the vengence and retaliation. If you want GGWO to correct and continue then you must. Let God handle your leaders because he is the only one who really knows their hearts. Take Care

[Isabella (207.7.202.199)]

I have seek no vengence and I do not wish to retaliate. I DO want to warn as many people as possible before they get sucked in to this sick little man's 'ministry'.

I hope GGWO/TBS does NOT continue. And they are not my leaders. They are using the Grace of God to do their dirty little tricks on people. The people must be warned. They must be told what is really going on before it's too late for them.

Thank you God for using this internet site to make some "corrections".

[Anonymous (66.30.49.45)]

Anon 24 @ 9:06

As was posted on an earlier thread:

"All that is necessary for evil to triumph if for good men to do nothing." -Winston Churchhill (quoting Edmond Burke)

Lest we forget- being a Christian does not make us passive about, or uninvolved in, the plight of others just because the plight involves a church!

[Anonymous (24.88.43.233)]

Yes. Scott was a friend of mine.

Scott was an interesting guy. Haven't seen him about 3 years.

I was never in South Berwick BTW. I came into the ministry in GGWO in the mid 90's.

Scott I believe does have some neurological problem I heard.

I think John Bilowith has a form of Parkinsons Syndrome or Disease. I may be wrong on this however. I noticed he has a tremor and I thought for sure somebody had told me it was Parkinsons.

Scott had a tremor last I saw him.

My father died with Parkinsons disease. Not a pretty sight.

Neil

[Bob Brinton (151.203.144.204)]

Neil, If you came in the mid-90s, I must never have met you. That's about the time I left; and I was up in Massachusetts still. I have been praying for you. I seem to recall the author Mervyn Peake having died of Parkinsons, and it was extraordinarily tragic. He'd been a highly artistic and creative individual; and he became so helpless; not even recognizing his family. Love, Bob

[just wondering (66.30.49.45)]

Neil-

Someone who has been in Baltimore since '87 told me your name used to be Ray and thought you were the fellow that lived as a single in the building in South Berwick next to the Sharps and that you knew the Christofor girl. I wondered what happened to her...

[Bob Brinton (151.203.144.204)]

Cordell, In scanning the above, I just remembered Terry DuBose. Once Steve Quinlan was preaching and had just said something really serious, and Terry came out with one of her impossibly loud laughs. It's one of those odd memories that you cherish when they come up. I remember the look Steve gave her. Wasn't she engaged to David Latham at one point? I don't think they married. He was my roomate, along with Doug Kohring (uncertain of the last name). Doug had gone to Oral Roberts and was within one credit of graduating, but left and came to Bible Speaks. I don't think he graduated there either. I haven't any idea where David, Doug or Terry are. Bob

[lee (65.96.56.161)]

didn't Terry marry Wayne Hogarth?? Not sure just remember her and have a mental pic of the guy she married.

[Bob Brinton (151.203.144.204)]

And Wayne is the one who does the exact Stevens imitation. That seems like a very odd combination. Reminds me of a marriage in a film based on one of Jane Austin's books that my wife watches a lot. While I'm here, let me say something else. I think the Lord has a lot of really big things ready to happen very soon. The opposition is extremely strong as well. I'm not just talking about this board and Greater Grace. I believe that we need to not be too serious about the opposition. What kind of opposition can stop God? He wants us to courageously wade into the spiritual resistance and take what He shows us. Go for whatever it is on your front. Love, Bob

[Cordell (66.90.181.249)]

Terry DuBose was a very pretty girl with a raucous laugh as Bob describes. She was a stitch to be around. I remember one of those serious moments and she cracked us all by...I can't even say it here...I would if it would bring her out of the woodwork.

There were times when Quinlan was so stiff he needed a little goading with laughter.

Doug Kohring was a good friend of mine, too, Bob. Wonder what ever happened to him?

Not sure I remember David Latham. Probably would if I saw him.

[Cordell (66.90.181.249)]

Anybody know what became of Gretchen Benoit from South Berwick?

[Anonymous (4.155.0.180)]

Wayne Hogarth's wife's name is Maureen. Not sure of her maiden name.

[Anonymous (4.155.0.180)]

Scott Markush is not doing well. He is struggling very much with his condition. God bless him!!!
Bilowith does NOT have Parkinsons.

[Anonymous (66.30.49.45)]

Cordell-

Gretchen married Michael Evans, an awesome guy she met in California when she was on the team out there (in the early 80's I think) and they lived in South Berwick for the last 20+ years raising their two children. The oldest has cerebral palsy and Mike and Gretchen have devoted their lives to this precious son! There is no doubt God has seen their faithfullness all these years though I'm sure they have felt insignificant in the kingdom much of the time....

They live in Baltimore now and are still committed to GG and Pastor Stevens in every way.

God bless that amazing family!

[Cordell (66.90.181.249)]

Amen to that.

[Anonymous (24.88.43.233)]

4.155 Thanks for the information.

I have been praying for Scott for a while.

Do you know wht J Bilowth has a tremor. It is very obvious when he speaks on Sunday mornings.

I hope that both of them find health.

In Christ,

Neil

PS Scott had something up with him neurologically in 2000. I sent him to my neurologist back then.

[Anonymous (67.242.153.41)]

Neil, yes I know about Bilowith's tremor but it is not Parkinsons and supposedly not anything neurological. I was told what it was quite some time ago but I honestly cannot remember. I only remember what I am telling you.

Gretchen Evans is going to be teaching at GGCA in the fall.

[Anonymous (24.172.44.98)]

Tremors can be caused by all kinds of things.

I hope for his sake that it is not anything like Parkinsons disease. I would not wish it on my worst enemy.

I noticed Scott was in the choir this morning.

Neil Carrick

[Louise Connolly (24.128.24.65)]

After rereading the CRI report, I became curious to know are Mike Graves and John Palmer still part of TBS/GGWO?

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

John Palmer died a few years ago. His son-in-law is a staff pastor, John Bilowith.

[Cordell (66.90.181.249)]

I heard that Mike Graves was selling hot dogs in a porno movie--just like I do.

[margo (152.163.253.102)]

has anyone died of cancer of the tongue lately that we know of?

[Cordell (66.90.181.249)]

aaaacckckkk aaaacccckkk aaaacckkkkaaakkcckkk....plop

[margo (152.163.253.102)]

that sounded like cancer of the throat cordell! you must have REALLLLLLLLLLLLLY said something "off" lol

[Anonymous (4.155.90.92)]

All kidding aside, I heard a few months ago that Mike Graves is not doing well at all. Seriously. If anyone knows something different or if this is not true, please post.

[Cordell (66.90.181.249)]

Someone said that they saw him not long ago on another thread. Sighting was in the Berkshires. Said that he still had a great head of hair.

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Anyone know what happened to Steve and Linda Walsh? Or Rob Hedaman after his wife Karen Brown Hedaman passed?

[SS (24.131.172.186)]

What's Sam Spade up to these days?

Oh! I'm right here. :0

[Cordell (66.90.181.249)]

Rob Hedemann is still in Balto. from what I hear, saw him last in '95. We were good friends in SB, used to eat an entire gallon of ice cream in a single go at Paula Roberts's apartment. What ever happened to her?

[Cordell (66.90.181.249)]

Sam Spade you rascal.

[Anonymous (207.7.199.208)]

Bob Anderson, Sirpa & Children???

[SS (24.131.172.186)]

"I don't mind a reasonable amount of trouble."

Here's a link if anyone is interested in Mac Cassity's wherabouts. there is a galery of his artwork. He is quite a good painter -almost as good as the preacher he was.

http://www.sprucehillstudios.com/shsart.htm

[Anonymous (195.93.96.147)]

what happened to Peter & Delores Skipper and their family... Also Dr. Alan Bonner... Suzie Morris

[Anonymous (67.23.200.67)]

Maureen Hogarth is from Springfield. Her maiden name was Shea.

[Anonymous (68.34.121.13)]

Sam Spade yourascahole .

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

I'm amazed that no one seems to know what became of Pastors Ed Mosher or Gary Lemaster. They
were in the Bible Speaks for years.

[Sam Spade (24.131.172.186)]

"God whispers in our pleasures but shouts in our pain. Pain is His megaphone to rouse a dulled world."
-- C.S. Lewis

68.34....you are certainly a pain in my rascahole. I suppose God uses even the vile things of the world, no?

[Anonymous (68.34.121.13)]

To the pure all things are pure.....

[Anonymous (68.34.121.13)]

therefore you purely are a pain in the rascahole

[SS (24.131.172.186)]

.....but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.

[Bob Brinton (141.154.186.144)]

I wasn't there, but I heard that Ed Mosher was at Chet Farmer's funeral. Bob

[Anonymous (68.34.121.13)]

SS what is your honest opinion on the martin report ?

[SS (24.131.172.186)]

I think it should have been heeded 20 years ago. I think soon it will be water under the bridge.

Honest enough 4ya?

[margo (205.188.117.20)]

ed mosher lives in maine

[Anonymous (68.34.67.195)]

Steve and Linda Walsh are still in Baltimore. Their son is married to P. Scibelli's daughter. Rob Hedemann is in Baltimore and has been married to Maryanne for quite some time. I believe their son just married P. Wright's daughter.

[Steve Quinlan (168.103.207.103)]

A few days ago Cordell said, "There were times when Quinlan was so stiff he needed a little goading with laughter." Boy is that every right! He still does too.

[KDuhamel (24.60.78.215)]

Rev. Quinlan,

So glad you could join us!

-Karen

[Anonymous (68.34.121.13)]

HI ,STEVE !!
OMG
STEVE IS THAT YOU ???
THE STEVE QUISLING ?
WELCOME........

[margo (152.163.253.102)]

hi steve quinlan.
you may or may not remember me circa... 76-79... i used to babysit for your kids.
and i always enjoyed your pulpit time and classes
m royals

[Cara (205.188.117.20)]

Thank you for joining, I hope it is not a quick visit.

Your reasoned mind is most appreciated. You lend weight to the seriousness of the issues being addressed on the forum.


Thankful,

Cara

[Bob Brinton (151.203.163.233)]

Pastor Quinlan, I'm also thankful you've posted here. Your comments on any of the subject matter are definitely welcome.
Prior to the time you left, I heard some things; but your messages in that period seemed much more humane and personally loving. Forgive me if I took the words of others at that time and judged you improperly. I should have trusted my own instincts more. Love, Bob Brinton (David's brother)

[RJ (141.154.186.91)]

Hello Pastor Quinlan

I am sorry I never got to hear your messages and that I never got to meet you. You were gone by the time I got to TBS/SSB. I have learned from others in the past few years how you were instumental in their lives and that you were someone special I would have enjoyed.

Welcome to the board. I also would appreciate hearing anything you would have to add to the discussions here.

Roberta

[John Krainis (207.5.239.219)]

Steve Quinlan - do I ever owe you one! In 1980 I inherited some money, and marched over to Schermahorn to hand it over to TBS (yep, that was pretty gullible). Anyway, you intercepted me and counseled, "Why don't you hold on to it - you may need it". Great call! So if you ever need $20.00...

[777 (195.93.96.50)]

WOW>>>>sorry to use dirty language here..but Steve Quinlan... you were the only pastor I was almost ready to worship back in Lenox...No seriously your messages were such spiritual revelations for me at the time...and then they said you were evil or something and I hardly dared to listen to your tapes anymore...GOD BLESS YOU !

[Cara (205.188.117.20)]

Steve Quinlan made logical sense when he spoke. I could use my rational mind in his messages. It was relevant and not abstract. Thank you for revealing God's nature to me. I know the "thank you" is 25 years late in coming but it is genuine just the same!

Cara

[Bob Brinton (151.203.163.233)]

And despite Stevens' warnings, I read an awful lot of C.S.Lewis. Bob

[777 (195.93.96.50)]

AMEN TO THAT

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

I hope Steve will share with us his experience after exiting TBS. His insight would be helpful to those that are attempting to leave or have recently left.

Jack Leonard has shared so much with us. His character and integrity has benefited the forum greatly. These men were leaders, we still find great solace in their words today.

It is answered prayer to have another past leader's voice join in.

[777 (195.93.97.42)]

Yes...praying that you would be Spirit led to share your thoughts and experiences

[Isabella (207.7.198.219)]

<FONT COLOR="ff0000">YES!</FONT>

[Christine (151.196.29.122)]

Hi Pastor Quinlan;

I am another person you may not remember. I used to babysit for your kids when you were in Indiana, PA.

I am glad to hear that you are OK!!

Chris

[margo (64.12.117.20)]

does anyone know what happened to Judy Allen? i heard she got married but i dont know to who and/or whether or not she was married to someone from TBS/GG or she had left and married someone (uh oh!) on the....outside!!!

[Tweedledee (69.53.59.250)]

But when Quinn the Eskimo gets here,
Ev'rybody's gonna jump for joy.
Come all without, come all within,
You'll not see nothing like the mighty Quinn.

[Steve Quinlan (168.103.207.103)]

Tweedledee:
Not many would know that - with whom do I have the pleasure?

[Cordell (66.90.181.249)]

Mr. Q.
Semper Reformanda?

somebonus@yahoo.com

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Does anyone know what became of Phil Cote, Karen Simone, Judi Marx, or Paul O'keefe?

[Bob Brinton (141.154.144.225)]

Paul O'Keefe lives in Lee and works at the Red Lion Inn in Stockbridge. I think he still goes to the Greater Grace church on High Street in Lee, but am not certain. We ocassionally greet each other in the street. Bob

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Phil Cote was in Springfield for years with Steve Stratos. He is no longer affliated with TBS/GGWO.

[Bob Brinton (141.154.144.225)]

Is Phil still involved in some kind of ministry? Bob

[Louise Connolly (151.121.50.1)]

Hey, SJ, if you are still reading I know for sure who you are. It was a collaborative effort but you have been 100% positively identified. Now that I know, I am very sorry for being fresh to you concerning you inquiry to the Alan Lang story. You are one of the people I have always felt so very bad about over the years as we both joined the cult around the same time. My apologies to you and your family for any influence I may have had toward your decision.

God Bless!
Louise Connolly (Maguire)

[lifisasym_phony (24.62.182.91)]

John Krainis - Are you related to Paul Krainis?

[Anonymous (67.23.200.67)]

Phil Cote is alive and well and living in NH and is involved in a local church.
Karen Simone January lives in Peabody, MA.

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

Whatever ever happened to the Acton House in Lenox? Ernie and Marcie and their family. So many people passed through that house. I remember the Southworths, Nick Priest, Rick and Mary Dragos, Paul Hanson, Donna Stewart, Joan Lily, the elderly man, Bob who always sat in the back of the chapel. Where are they?

[Nancy Curra (172.144.182.54)]

How about the where abouts of Scott Debow?
Scott and Trish live near or in PA. Their daughter Jasmin who was a classmate of my son's died in a car accident. They have a son, in his teens now I believe. I saw them a while ago in White Marsh mall. They were good friends of mine and my son.

Mike and Marla Klika last known are living in ME in an affiliate GG church, still doing sound

Jon and Marketta Boyce are in Budapest

Fred Gordon is in back and forth in Florida and Baltimore and is married to Barbara, little April's mom
Bruce Graham (band) narried Laurel, the singer, he pops his head in evry once in a while, last I know he was working in an oil company

Is Cathy van Doren married to Franck Corbiere? Yes I believe that was her last name, if she is blonde and a bit heavy and a singer that's her

God bless http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

[Nancy Curra (172.144.182.54)]

If I am right in this Joni is Pat Dykty's niece? If that is so then they are in Budapest

Kathy Van Doren is in Mass, married to Frank Corbiere I think not certain if it is her, she is blonde and sings and a little heavy

Kevin Driscol last I heard he is married to an Oriental girl, Korean I think and lives in China

Hope this helps http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

[Nancy Curra (172.144.182.54)]

Bob Anderson and Sirpa were last in St Pete FL
Steve and Linda Walsh are here in Baltimore.

Scott does have a rare neuroligical disease which is quite progressive. He is staill an amazing man of God and has a great desire for God to heal him. He is a dear friend and my prayer for him has always been Thy will be done, if it is not healing then to give Scott divine contentment and peace that truly only comes from God. Of this I am certain because I too have a rare neurological disease with no cure and now I have 5 other secondary dieseases including osteiomylitis. But God has so flooded me with His peace and contentment. Do thou for him Lord do thou for him.

[Jack Leonard (65.96.56.161)]

John Krainis is Paul Krainis.
I have great memories of trips with Paul to Boston in the first years of church-planting there. For a young man, he had a great sense of humor as well as very serious devotion to Christ and, of course, he was an outstanding banjo player who made our meetings fun to attend.
Jack

[Izziesoul (209.6.151.215)]

Hi: Kathy did marry Frank. They actually had a church in I think Braintree or some B town in Mass. At least when I was with GG they did. He was Pastor there and she was running a travel agency. That Lady could sing!!!

[Anonymous (152.163.253.102)]

Yes, Pastor Frank and Kathy are still in Braintree. And they have the most adorable little 5 year old girl

[Roberta (141.154.144.33)]

Kathy was one of my friends at SSB...I bet their little girl is beautiful!

Roberta

[Bob Brinton (141.154.184.203)]

It's been a while since I asked. Does anyone know the whereabouts of Alan and Gwen Joy? My email address is available on this one if you don't want to post it here. Bob

[Sharon (69.16.68.2)]

Was wondering if anyone can tell me what happened to the Koscioliks who pastored at the Carlisle church when Ken Alpren left.

Also, what about Pastor Love, the youth pastor?

And Claire Brown? Her husband Mike died many years ago in Carlisle and then she went to Baltimore, so did Marc Bogamill. Anyone know anything about any of these folks?

What about the Fukas in Baltimore?

[Nancy Curra (172.131.200.104)]

Pr. &amp; Brenda are still in Carlisle. They visit Baltimore occasionally and were at the Conference.
Pastor Love is still the youth pastor and chaplain for the Knicks

Claire remarried a guy named Russ either from Jersey or a relative of a family here in Baltimore I forget which

The Fukas? first names? never heard of them and I know most every one that has been here since 90
is it Dave Fuka?

[Anonymous (67.249.230.186)]

Where did 4.139 go?
They were funny and clever
Come back We Miss You.

[Anonymous (152.163.253.102)]

mike and sandie fuka divorced years ago. Not sure where mike is I think some where in Balto area. sandie lives in Columbia still with her youngest daughter martha. They left ggwo a long time ago.

[Sharon (69.16.68.2)]

Thank you all who answered my query.

Nancy: I would love to contact Pastor and Brenda. I think I may even have the phone number still to the church unless they have moved. I was Pastor's secretary back in the day. He was wonderful to work for. Both were very kind.

Claire babysat my boys when they were little. I would love to contact her as well. Is there any way for me to do so. Contact me via my personal email if this is possible. Let me know....

Sharon

[Anonymous (209.6.151.215)]

RJ: Pastor and B Van Doren are at Pastor Morrison's church. Pastor Van Doren is a full fledged Pastor there. He teaches classes and is one of the people I miss the most.

[lost (68.38.195.85)]

where is mark roche and pat, dough brooks, raberta martiluchi,joana swaider, warren hemingway,dave tomb,

[Anonymous (149.174.164.83)]

Roberta Martelucci is in Baltimore, I believe. She was at convention there

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

What about Roberta's sister Beverly? Anyone?

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Beverly was also at convention. She looks like she has lost a lot of weight since I last saw her

[Anonymous (149.174.164.83)]

I knew 2 sister in Lenox named Elizabeth and
Beverly. The latter was fine for the first few
months she was there, but then started acting
strange and withdrawn. It was obvious to all that
there was something wrong. Her sister still was
OK. Another girl named Joyce had the same problem.
She was from New York. In both cases, they would
walk around with a blank stare and sometimes
smile to themselves for no reason. Does anyone
know if either Beverly or Joyce is alright now?
I don't remember their last names.
Actually, there were a few more cases like that.
but I can't remember the names, just their faces.
Anyone remember similar personality changes in
TBS? The place had a bad effect on somej people
who may have had problems to begin with. TBS
would certainly bring them to the surface, that's
for sure.

[Anonymous (67.243.131.139)]

Anne, a middle-aged woman at "homebase" suffers from auditory schizophrenia. She recently married a man named Bob from New Jersey who was institutionalized for two to three years.

[InMercyRejoice (172.134.213.98)]

Why uncover them? They are trying to get on with their lives. I just dont see the point in hurting their character. I know them both well.

[Anonymous (152.163.253.102)]

To 149,8:38 am,
There were a number of people at GG that had mental health problems, as there are in any large organization and even smaller ones. Especially churches, because special needs people can come to them to find acceptance and love that they can't in many other places. But to imply that their problems were caused or brought to the surface by the ministry is really something beyond the realm of what you are qualified to say.
Your posts would have more credibility if you would stick to the facts instead of your own theories about things

[Nancy C (172.134.213.98)]

Pr Ray &amp; Brenda are listed, still in Carlisle and I am sure the church is listed, also you can call the Baltimore switchboard and they have the church number in Carlisle, email me

Claire I have to see when I get back in church which will be a few weeks as I have been in long term care for a bone infection. I will try to find out for you, make a few phone calls and will let you know, will leave my email just click

Dave Tomb was overseas and then back and forth in Baltimore

Warren divorce his wife Kristi *sp ck* Irene H. daughter and pops his head in yearly or so.

His family is doing fine...Pr. C &amp; his wife, Pat, who is Warren's mom

Doug Brooks is in Hungary teaching last I knew

His sister is in Baltimore, happily married with a couple of precious children, as well as his dad, Pr. Brooks, and his mom, All are doing very well

Roberta is still here in Baltimore, Bev is a teacher in GGCA

Anne is from Swansee and Bob from NJ church, both are fine and happily married to each other

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

152, I posted my question to the where are they now thread because I knew these girls in Lenox 26 years ago and just wondered if anyone knows if
they came out of it ok. It was not done to expose
them, diagnose them or any other reason.
I know that most churches have people with emotional problems because they can find acceptance there.
BUT, Pastor Stevens once gave a big message in
Lenox about how people should stop bringing people
with a lot of emotional problems out to Lenox
because security was having to deal with them
wondering around the campus late at night acting
strange with their "weird eyes" (his exact words).
HOWEVER, when you put out books like the Phychology of Scitzophrenia saying how a guy in
New York's family spent $22,000 dollars on
therapists who couldn't cure him but one weekend
around the body in Lenox did the trick, who could
blame anyone from a branch for sending someone
with that problem out there? I knew of a woman
from the Boston area who sent her son to Lenox
for that reason. He had a lot of problems with
people in the dorm and of course she was mad at
the ministry because of it.
In that way, a church like TBS can hurt someone
who has no business attending a bible college.
TBS should have been more careful about their claims. If Lenox claimed that tons of people were cured from alcholism just from moving to Lenox and being around the body, they shouldn't be surprised if the place is crawling with alcoholics within a few months, just as the blind
were following Jesus.
That is what I meant by my previous post.

[Anonymous (67.243.135.48)]

That's right 64... and Bob from New Jersey is a perfect example of this...not only was he institutionalized for two to three years; but he was divorced twice because his two wives left him due to alcoholism and sexual addiction. Who knows he may still be involved with pornography on the internet. Poor innocent Anne! Guess her instability blinded her to his issues. But ya know they say "God brings a comparable helpmeet" so maybe this is a perfect couple!

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

67,
You seem to know an awful lot about the personal details of people's lives, pastors and otherwise

[Anonymous (67.249.224.60)]

That's cuz I'm "knit in the body"...

[Roberta (141.154.144.33)]

I was thinking the same thing, 64

[Anonymous (67.249.224.60)]

...oops I dropped a stitch! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

No, actually I think you said you left

[Anonymous (67.249.224.60)]

Guess I don't adhere to the Doctrine of Covering!

...or any other Stevens doctrinal nonsense for that matter!

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

You must have been in a counseling position or at least on staff to know so much about so many

[Anonymous (67.249.224.60)]

Yes, thank God I am OUT of GGWO and their subversive, enslaving, guilt inducing, time robbing ways!

My Bible says we are free in Christ; but to hear Stevens say it we must be "obedient" to get to heaven...this irrational idea flies in the face of grace...I think "big daddy" is demonstrating magnificently "he is one sandwich short of a picnic."

It's okay...I'm not a subversive plant just a ****ed off former member of GGWO!

[Anonymous (67.249.224.60)]

I was VERY involved in this church at one point...

...but NO MORE!

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

Still, it might be considerate not to give so many intimate details of people's lives

[Anonymous (67.249.224.60)]

Okay!

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

It's been about 16 years since I've been affiliated with GGWO. As you all know once you leave you are labeled and even the people who cared about you and you them don't want anything to do with you. I don't blame them, they were only doing what they thought was right.
I'd love to know how the Lavoie's are doing. I believe they still attend but I'm not totally sure.
I just want them to know that they are loved, missed, and still very close to my heart.
SJ

[Anonymous (172.157.150.168)]

The Lavoies are all doing fine. And all the kids are doing great. Serving God, some in GG some I can't say where they are because I don't know.

[Anonymous (172.157.150.168)]

And I agree it is not Biblical to give intimate details of people's lives, and anyway God is looking at their heart. Can you see their heart through all your uncovering details of their lives?

[Anonymous (198.81.26.106)]

By their fruits you shall know them.

If their works are assasinating the character of ex members of GGWO you shall know them.

If their work is to "cover" the deeds of darkness of certain pastors in GGWO then EXPOSE THEM.

[Anonymous (67.23.200.67)]

Where are Robin Medina and Kathy Powers?

[Anonymous (172.147.82.70)]

It is not a deed of darkness to have legitimate emotional and mental problems. My goodness, be careful who and what you judge. I am not in agreement at all with what is going on from the pulpit nor with the jokes and such. But to attack people with emotional and mental problems when is simply crude, rude and inconsiderate. they are trying to get on with their lives in their marriage and are not even on the board so why attack them? they are not corrupt staff members, geez give them a break!!

[Anonymous (172.133.47.136)]

Robin Medina &amp; Kathy Powers, haven't seen Robin for a while
Kathy Powers, is she a blonde? slender and somewhat pretty? if that is her she got married to a security guard at GG. I think that was her last name but I could be very wrong
I just know I knew Kathy and Robin but because of being out of the loop not sure.
Doesn't Robin have other family here? a sister? if so then I can answer both these questions

[Jim Faucett (66.90.181.249)]

Robin Medina is Scott Robinson's sister, no?

[Anonymous (67.249.214.165)]

Robin is living in Baltimore. She and her husband John have divorced. Robin recently remarried a gentleman who is 70 plus years old. Her daughter Rachel recently married one of the Ranck twins and Julie is still living with her mother.

[Jim Faucett (66.90.181.249)]

Is Robin still at GG?

[Anonymous (67.249.214.165)]

I've fled from GGWO so I don't know for sure.

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

Robin and John are divorced. She married Elizabeth Grady Sullivan's dad. And still attends GG.

[Anonymous (67.249.214.165)]

Yes she is Scott's sister. Didn't I read that you and Robin took a "roadtrip" to Florida back in the 70s? Since I answered your question; would you please answer one of mine Jim? [guess that's two questions huh! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif]

At any rate, if my recollection is correct; you mentioned an excentrict uncle who had "mating frozen snakes."
Tell me, how exactly do they accomplish this feat considering their morphology?

[Jim Faucett (66.90.181.249)]

Hey, I didn't say he was right! And he was eccentric. And I am more comfortable with theology than I am with herpetology. Down here I just know which ones to shoot and which ones to let go.

There were five of us on that roadtrip. Me, Robin R., Laurel Elderkin, Bob Anderson and Mark Bell.

[Anonymous (67.249.214.165)]

Thats okay. I'd like to at least thank you for reminding me how to spell "eccentric." BTW I loved your stories about TBS.

Bye

[Anonymous (67.249.214.165)]

ps. Jim, what are you doing up at this hour?

[Roberta (141.154.144.33)]

The Kathy Powers I knew is mary laFlamme's sister, and was a brunette in Lenox. She was Roger Stenger's friend.

[Jim Faucett (66.90.181.249)]

insomnia. kids.

[Anonymous (67.249.214.165)]

Try Extra Strength Excedrin with Sleep Aid. Works like a charm.

[Anonymous (141.154.144.33)]

insomnia makes me tired

[Anonymous (172.133.47.136)]

O Yes Robin is S. Robinson sister and Rachelle is his niece. She is in Baltimore with hubby
Then Kathy Powers is Kathy Grimwald and a missionary in Germany married to Gary Grimwald

[Anonymous (67.249.230.6)]

Excedrin AM in your case Jim.

[Anonymous (152.163.253.102)]

Please post here.

[Anonymous (67.23.200.67)]

Whatever happened to Marion Nigro?
What about Miriam O'Leary?

[Anonymous (24.88.43.233)]

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/crazy.gif bump

[Anonymous (198.81.26.106)]

Marion Nigro married Dennis Achan back in Lenox.
They had one daughter . She is now 16 going on 17.
They were part of GGWO in Murraysville, Pa. until that church split up in 1994.

[Anonymous (208.44.145.130)]

We all miss David Huff.

[Anonymous (208.44.145.130)]

By the way, where is Patty (Huff)? It was understood that David Huff never fully recovered from the betrayal he felt from Pastor Carl Stevens over the relationship.

[JF (66.90.181.249)]

Last I heard Patty was working in a hospital in the Boston area.

[Anonymous (149.174.164.83)]

I'm afraid to ask this, but here goes. I knew David and Patty Huff in Lenox and have heard that he committed suicide. I have 2 questions triggered by the Thursday posts (2:26 and 2:31).

Is it true that David Huff is dead? How?

If so, what "betrayal" over a relationship
caused him to "never fully recover?"

Some of us haven't seen these people in 20
years or more. What might be common knowlege
to some on Facnet is not to others.

Please post an answer. Thanks.

[Bob Brinton (151.203.152.166)]

I heard that he shot himself; but I don't know anything else. Last I remember before that was him heading to California to work with Richard Wurmbrandt. Wurmbrandt was one of the spiritual highlights of the Lenox period, though in that old hockey rink it was hard to follow what he was saying.

[JF (66.90.181.249)]

David Huff was a very good friend to me. I miss him and think of him often. I would not be a Christian if not for him and Patty. David did commit suicide. It is best not to try to pry out the reasons here, he still has precious family members inside GG and out. Remember him at his best when he was a faithful pastor in Brockton and a missionary to El Salvador. He made a great difference in so many lives.

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

I was wondering what the previous post meant when it said that David felt betrayal over the "relationship."
Patty Huff wasn't going out with
Stevens or someone else at TBS, I hope. She
certainly didn't seem to be someone who would
do that, but I guess after going on Facnet,
anything's possible.

[Anonymous (67.23.200.67)]

What is Steve Scibelli's status these days?

[Anonymous (67.23.200.67)]

Where are Kim and Kayce Shibley?

[Anonymous (216.183.184.253)]

Pastor Stevens was having an affair with Patty Huff while her husband knew about it but could not stop it. He felt completely betrayed.

[Anonymous (69.242.21.100)]

i would have stopped it with a good ol fashioned butt wipping

[JF (66.90.181.249)]

Please stop. David Huff is not here to deny or verify anything you say.

[Anonymous (24.172.44.98)]

Why would anybody bring up David Huff. I think it lacks human dignity to even discuss this matter at all on a internet forum.

It is cowardice at worst.

[rj (141.154.144.33)]

Anon 216...it was a very sad situation about David. It shows how cruel this ministry's lack of morality at the top can ruin people and lives in such a devestating manner.

[Anonymous (152.163.253.102)]

24, Nobody brought up David Huff to discuss his
situation in a negative light. I knew David and
Patty Huff and liked both of them. That is not
the point. Here it is:

Anybody in leadership in the Bible Speaks era
is fair game to be spoken about in this forum.
Even if the memories of a partiular person are
good, they can be talked about. If someones
misfortune sheds light on Stevens or others
sins, so be it. If there was a real good class
taught by Chet Farmer for example, that should
be spoken of as well.
WE HAD TO SHUTUP ABOUT A LOT OF THIS STUFF FOR
25 YEARS! We were always told that any secret news
that got out was just rumor, or bitter people
talking bad about God's man. We were sick of
it then, and its even worse now that we are
older and can see more clearly. It is the
current and former leadership who doesn't want
things like this to be discussed. But if Scott
Robinson, jim Morrison, Dan Lewis etc.
don't want to be discussed, it is too late.
A lot of people invested time, energy, money
and some of the best years of their lives
working for the Bible Speaks only to have the
rug pulled out from under them. Now you say
that "no one should talk about this or that!"
God bless David Huff's soul. He was a very good
Christian Pastor. But his was the very story
that needs to get out there.

Finally, I can remember listing to telephone
time a few years ago in my car and hearing
Stevens talk about a former Pastor who committed
suicide BECAUSE HE LEFT THE PLAN OF GOD FOR HIS
LIFE AS REVEALED BY GGWO! That is why I'm so
annoyed by you 24. WE have every right to discuss
things like this!!!!

[JF (66.90.181.249)]

I know the story. I spoke with David only a month or so before his death. I have spoken with his best friend in all the world about what happened as well. There will be no benefit to dragging all that out now, especially if what emerges is nothing but speculation.

[Anonymous (24.88.39.39)]

152.163 because his family is watching and frankly it may be years old but his family stills hurts from false statements.

Did you see the post by his sister?

Yes you have a right, but I admit when I consider his family especially his sister it bothers me that anybody feels like this is a proper place.

I am not trying to fuel the fire here. I am simply stating the reality that I know it must hurt her, and others bringing this up.

Sorry if you misunderstood.

[Anonymous (80.186.134.135)]

Bob Soprano?

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Many people have been hurt by TBS, especially
after something bad happens to them. I remember
a Pastor (not Stevens, to my knowledge) say
that Steve Quinlin lost his wife because of his
leaving. My point is that sometimes these things
have to be discussed because they are at the core
of the abuses that many have suffered.
We know of David Huff and Steve Quinlin because
they were prominent members of TBS. Can you
imagine how many times these cruel accusations
have been directed at people who were just
regular church members or involved in branch
ministries? I agree that the details of David's
problems should NOT be discussed. However,
the situation did exist with someone high
up and is clear evidence of the leaderships
corruption. No one would want to hurt Steve
Quinlan's feelings either. But to let these
things go without pointing the finger at
the people who caused it is to let them be
unaccountable again. I know if my wife had
gone with Stevens I'd let the whole world know.
On the other hand, if it was a case of a
marriage breaking up or someone committing
suicide for another reason, it should't be
brought up at all.
WE shouldn't dwell on this and I for one,
won't bring it up again. But if we decide
to not discuss past abuses because it will
hurt someone else, you wouldn't discuss anything.
It would remain hidden, which is how abusers
like it.

[JF (66.90.181.249)]

Why don't you email me 205.188.
somebonus@yahoo.com

[Anonymous (24.88.32.43)]

(205.188.117.20)

Frankly there is a different level of pain here than just hurting somebodies feelings.

I understand your idea or ideals, but somehow the internet seems the worse place to discuss unknowns concerning a person who commited suicide.

In Christ,

Neil

[Anonymous (152.163.253.102)]

David Huff had a sister we know as Marcy Stevens.
Marcy is married to Steve Stevens, Carls "good" son at present.
Back when David ended his earthly life to the shock and sadness of those who loved him, Carl Stevens did the clever thing as usual to steer the attention away from the affair he was having with Davids wife - Patty.
He immediately ingratiated himself with Marcy, comforting her about her brothers death, suggesting that any story about he (Carl) and Patty (Marcy's sister in law) having an affair were just lies.
Marcy, like most ministry people were not inclined to believe such a thing involving her pastor and sister in law let alone even consider that it may bear some checking out on her own.
Carl poured on the love and attention to her (Marcy) at this very sad time in her life and did all he could to enable her to believe him.She bought his story. He knew what he was doing.
A number of us in the ministry knew about this and discussed it among ourselves during and after our time in the ministry.
Pastor Farmer was close freinds with David and knew his torment and frustration at being unable to stop it.
P.Farmer knew about this from Patty herself at a more transparent time in her life. In recent years she has gone back to denying it and why not? Why face the guilt when Carl says you can just confess your sins to God and he covers them and the effects?
Both Marcy and Patty were taught well by their "pastor".
Some people kill themselvesor other shortly after finding out their spouse or lover has cheated on them. David was tormented by the betrayal of NOT one but two very signifigant people in his life. He must have had some measure of strength because it took a few more years before it finally killed him.
BTW. This is the forum to talk about such things since they are 'verbotten' anywhere else. Light will shine out of darkness eventually. Truth does arrive though not always on our time schedule

[Roberta (141.154.144.33)]

Chet told me about more about David's death after Scott and I left TBS. Such a tragic and ugly business. I am nor surprised Patty is denying it al...after what she and Carl did to David what other choice but the truth does she have? Carl never lived in it, why should she.

[Roberta (141.154.144.33)]

Does anyone remember the African American guy who worked on bus ministry...must have be '85....who had a breakdown in the Student Union one evening? I cannot recall his name. He was so incredibly burned out...we called an ambulance, he was discharged from the ER and came back to campus. The next morning the ministry called the cops and had him taken away. I was told he was "a bad testimony for Christ" because he was ill.

I wish I could recall his name. He was a dynamic influence on the bus kids...always thought he got shafted bigtime by the ministry.

[Anonymous (24.88.32.43)]

Baiting the family of a person who commited suicide! WOW.

Hey Roberta. This makes for a lovely post!

I am off to work. But I will remember this for the threads about the hurting.

such compassion on people.

Neil

[RJ (141.154.144.33)]

Go away Neil... stop stalking people.

[Anonymous (24.88.32.43)]

RJ you are the ones stalking people.

You said you were leaving.

Promises promises.

You had no intention leaving.

I am the one unstable? I am leaving she said, no I am staying her because of, no I am being stalked.

Come on.....

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

Roberta will never leave because she has no other life. Isn't that obvious? She is on here night and day. She tells Jim she is done with him, then she keeps going at him. She says she is leaving the board, then she keeps posting and posting. GOODBYE ROBERTA!!!!

[Anonymous (24.172.44.98)]

Roberta stop stalking all us here. You said you were leaving, not onece but several times.

Why are you still here if you said you were leaving?

Neil Carrick

[Anonymous (67.163.201.62)]

Roberta,

I know who you mean, but I cant remember his last name just yet. His first name was Tony.

[Roberta (141.154.144.33)]

Yes! You're right! Tony! I wonder what became of him. The kids adored him and I was sure he had a bright future as a pastor. I don't remember ever seeing him again after that. I hope he's ok. Scott and david can't remember his last name either. We're all getting old I guess.

Is Darrel Jones still on the mission field? I think Tony worked with Darrel doing bus ministry for awhile.

[Anonymous (141.157.25.128)]

Tony Orlando killed himself last night

[Anonymous (67.163.201.62)]

Roberta ,
I now remeber. His name was Anthony or "tony" Burns. Outgoing, great smile, and I believe he worked at Avalon fulltime while carrying a full course load at the Bible school.
Yes he was ostrasized once he had the breakdown.
That was the Bible Speaks way of doing things.
He went back to New Jersey (or "Egypt" as Carl would refer to anyone going home.

P.S. Don't let KNEEL Carrick get to you.
That is what he wants. No competition, so he can tell us all about himself everyday.

Talk about not having a life, look at Kneel.
He still longs for the approval of Carl Stevens.

[Roberta (141.154.144.33)]

Tony Burns...yes, yes, yes! He was such a great human being, so on fire and full of life. As long as he is well and happy New Jersey is ok by me. *LOL*

Gotcha about Neil, Anon 67...I am learning more and more about that situation from others as well. Thanks.

[Anonymous (62.121.45.91)]

David and Outi Carson?

[Roberta (141.154.144.33)]

Gosh...I remember them. David and Scott, my husband were hoping to join a team going to Turkey someday. And Outi was in my dorm, one of the many Finnish girls on campus at the time.

[Anonymous (67.163.201.62)]

Dave and Outi were both hardworking, intelligent and generous Christians who graduated about 1988 from the bible school. They spent time as missionaries in the late 1980's and early 1990's. They left the ggwo ministry about 1993.
It was based on some continuous negative treatment they received from certain pastors within the GGWO administration.They were also maligned and slanderd by Daniel Lewis, who was then Secretary of missions for ggwo.
They were another couple harassed and driven from ggwo because of their inability to recognize Carl Stevens as infallible.
More recently they were in Florida where Dave is originally from. They may have since moved to Texas in 2003, where Dave was considering a pastoral position according to sources close to him.
They have no misconceptions about what kind of place ggwo is and are not timid about saying so.
more later...

[Anonymous (216.183.184.253)]

Yes 67.

Thanks for the info.
Dave and Outi were both wise enough to have something to fall back on when they left.
Dave was a certified Cartographer (a designer of Maps and Charts). Outi had a degree from a legitimate college as I understand.
Someone gave me Daves address as:
minutus.gte.net
or it may have been another close variation : minutes.gte.net
I'm not sure since we have not coresponded

[Roberta (141.154.144.33)]

I am so happy to hear that Dave and Outi are well.

[Roberta (141.154.144.33)]

Anyone know about Henk and Karen Moraal? Karen was a sweetheart redhead, friends with Kathy Van Doren....he was a Dutch student I think. I remember they were engaged, heard they were married....nothing about them after that...

[Anonymous (172.159.203.75)]

They were friends of mine. Last I heard she had another baby and he started his own business. but it has been a few years since I spoke with Karen.

[pop (80.74.210.160)]

1997 Dave and Outi were in Fl. and Dave was studing at The Dallas Theological Seminary

[Roberta (141.154.144.33)]

I can imagine Dave Carson is one very good pastor.

[outi carson (67.212.95.115)]

Found this last night and have been thrilled to see familiar names - i was in "the ministry' for 18 years and have missed many people since we left about ten years ago. Please feel free to send me an email! librarylady99@hotmail.com

[Dave Carson (207.156.7.90)]

Haven't kept up with happenings in the CULT very closely since we left, but we found this after reading the Sun article via Neil Carrick's mass e-mail. I've scanned the postings only very generally and am not acquainted with all the personalities involved (and don't want to get into their fights), but it sure would be nice to hear from old friends. I can be reached at minutus@gte.net and will post more later about our journey.

That Christ Alone Might Be Preeminent

[Anonymous (209.6.151.215)]

.

[Roberta (141.154.144.33)]

Dave and Outi...you've got mail!

[Dave Carson (207.156.7.90)]

How about:

Ray Emond
Jim &amp; Barbara Kennedy
John Von Buchwald
Ed Dickerson

[Anonymous (68.82.183.197)]

do something Satan doesn't want you to do tonight....PRAY

[Anonymous (64.223.238.88)]

Early on someone asked about the whereabouts of Bruce Morgan. I heard from a mutual friend of his that he went home to be with the Lord a couple of years or so ago.

[Dave Carson (67.212.95.152)]

Someone asked earlier about Bob and Sirpa Anderson. He was an associate pastor with me here in St. Petersburg, FL and probably the most gifted man in the ministry at that time. He and Sirpa divorced a few years ago. He remarried and attends an evangelical church in Clearwater, where he works with the international ministry. Sirpa moved to Safety Harbor, but still is part of the cult in St. Pete. Their youngest, Jonathan, attended the same school as our son and graduated a couple of years ago.

[Anonymous (152.163.253.102)]

Dave,
How about their girls, Lisa and Sonya?

[Anonymous (63.27.16.179)]

Does Nancy Wehe still attend GGWO Baltimore? Just wondering if she's the new Dean of Women at MBC&amp;S or if she took off after they treated Dede like crap!

[Dave Carson (67.212.95.152)]

By the way, it would be nice to hear from some of the anonymous posters above (62.121.45.91/216.183.184.253/67.163.201.62)who expressed an interest in our whereabouts. Feel free to contact me. We'd love to renew old acquaintances.

[Dave Carson (67.212.95.152)]

152:

I'm not sure about Lisa and Sonya. Last I heard (about 2 years ago) they were still in this area. I don't think either is part of the cult.

[Dave Carson (65.234.188.124)]

Another earlier poster asked about the Luchkiws. They left the cult after we did with lots of damage. Bill died about a year and a half ago. Laurie remarried last month to a man from Massachusetts she knew from her pre-cult days. They are currently here in St. Pete, but may relocate.

[Dave Carson (65.234.189.193)]

I just spoke with Jim Kennedy for the first time in several years. He's in Atlantic City, NJ and works at the Taj Mahal casino in corporate security (I think his time at GG helped him learn to spot con artists and crooks.) He's been playing in a band, writing music, and learning to surf for fun. If you'd like to contact him, drop him a line at:

PO Box 298
Ocean City, NJ 08226

[Anonymous (67.171.86.186)]

Thank You Dave!

[Dave Carson (207.156.7.90)]

Probably the greatest blessing I've had from reading FACTNet is being prompted to contact old friends and listen to their stories, often for the first time. I hope to share as much of that with others as possible.

In the shadowy world of cult psychology, silence = DEATH

minutus@gte.net

[Dave Carson (207.156.7.90)]

Forgot to add concerning Jim Kennedy. He specifically asked me to post his info and would like to hear from folks.

[Dave Carson (207.156.7.90)]

I think I mentioned this on another thread, but John Lloyd is doing well. He was an associate pastor at one of the big Baptist churches here St. Pete for around 5 years and we didn't even know it until I saw his name in the paper. I met with him and we talked about old times. He has been pastoring a Baptist church in Ft. Collins, CO for the past 2 years. He visited his old church here last year and I went to hear him preach. It was great to see how much the congregation and the overseeing pastor loved and missed both him and his family.

Keep bringing survivors together.

[Anonymous (68.33.22.175)]

Dear Dave,
Do you have contact info on John Lloyd?

[Dave Carson (207.156.7.90)]

This is the home page for his church:

http://www.mountainrangechurch.org/

[lee (65.96.56.161)]

We saw John and Tom Lloyd just this past weekend. John and Anne have moved to Ma to take a church in E. Taunton. They live in Middleboro now. They are doing quite well. It was a pleasure to get caught up after so many years. We were at Kevin Lynch's wedding. Also present were Chris and Jane Jackson.

[Dave Carson (207.156.7.90)]

Thanks, Lee. Just shows how important this board is. I had even checked the staff page on the website and they still had JL listed as the pastor.

Until All Are Free

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

Someone asked about Henk and Karen Moraal.
Henk and Karen are divorced. He is out of the country right now, he swings in and out of Holland, and is joined up with some other Christian affiliation. He's sorely missed around this place. Really swell guy.

Karen royally screwed him, wouldn't let him see their two sons, moved them back to MA with mama, and Henk refused to pay child support. He is out of the country for good, if he comes back there is a warrant out for his arrest. GGWO helped with that one. Hats off to the ministry!!!
(said with noted sarcasm). Good old Pastor Robinson took "care" of that situation.

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Mike and Marla Klicka are NOT in ME as "miss know it all" Nancy Curra stated. Just because you are still tight with all the GGWO busybodies Nancy, it doesn't mean you know "EVERYTHING" like you think you do. Are you really out of GGWO now, Nancy??????? Many find that hard to believe.

As to the Klika's,
They are very much resident here in Baltimore and have been for the last 10 yrs since their return from Prague. Good to know that "Nancy" is such a good friend to them that she is updated on there whereabouts. We had dinner with them 3 weeks ago!! Hopefully they are preparing to depart from GGWO too.

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Regarding Nancy Wehe, she is still here in Baltimore, very wise as to the situation at hand with Pastor Stevens, etc. She is not the Dean of Women for MBC&amp;S, doubtful they would offer it to her since she is biding her time out helping people to get the heck out!!! Those of you who are unsure as to whether you should leave GGWO or not, go have a rap with Nancy Wehe. She's got the real goods.

Thats it for now.

"67" I have no problem with you digging up dirt as you were accused of. Its about time **** thats been covered up around here got uncovered.

[Nancy Curra (172.172.224.217)]

The last time I saw Mike was at a Convention and that is what they told me. I am not a know it all. was just trying to be helpful. I am sorry that you feel that way about me. I haven't been to church for a year and made a decision, yes to leave. but I don't have ill will towards those who stayed or those who leave. I am not sure what I did to you, but I am sorry that you are angry with me. I have many friends and I don't think it's wrong to have friends in and out of GG. We are all Christians and to love the brethren is a cleansing thing. I am leaving my email here so you can contact me and tell me what I've done to make you so upset with me.

[Nancy (172.172.224.217)]

rejoicenmercy@aol.com

Sorry forgot to put it in the previous post.

[Anonymous (172.172.224.217)]

64 that is not something Nancy W. would have wanted posted.

[Lori Argenzio (141.157.93.219)]

Hey 64.12 in regards to this post you made

"Mike and Marla Klicka are NOT in ME as "miss know it all" Nancy Curra stated. Just because you are still tight with all the GGWO busybodies Nancy, it doesn't mean you know "EVERYTHING" like you think you do. Are you really out of GGWO now, Nancy??????? Many find that hard to believe."

You really need to chill out, there is no need to speak to my mother in the manner you did, since you want to be so nosy she has been away from gg since last year as she has been in a nursing home, she is not "tight with busybodies" as you stated, now do yourself a favor and back off my mother, I find your comments to be rude and nasty, she did nothing but post the whereabouts of someone, whether she is right or wrong isn't a major issue, if she is wrong so be it, she heard from someone else as she stated, so I don't feel like your response towards her was very necessary.

And if you know me or of me, you will know that I said this is the nicest way I possibly can.

[JF (66.90.181.249)]

Lori, you were holding back weren't you. LOL!

[Lori Argenzio (141.157.93.219)]

You could tell huh...lol