Scott Emerson Robinson

[Anonymous (24.172.35.20)]

Pastor Robinson!

You are a man of intergrity or at least you were!

You have always had a heart for those who were hurt. You have always cared about those who need Jesus a little more in your their lives.

You would give your day to your Pastor and nver complain.

Would you step up if you saw him fall down?

Would you be brave enough to saw "here is the book, this is what it says, this is what you said?

Do you remember those who have gone away? Do they count? Does the pain echo at night. Does the wounds make a sound when somebody digs into them?

Where do you see yourself in this. Does Paul Stevens the boy you saw grow into a man lay heavy on your heart? Do you remember hearing and seeing him and knwoing he was your brother, and friend, but now he is not our of choices you have gone along with.

Where does your wife stand in all of this?

How about your children? Does Amory know what gets said and done in the Offices of Carl Stevens and you have to defend the pain and suffering that takes place. Maybe you just enable it some more.

Will the REA: SER please stand up!

God will honor it! God will honor you!

[Anonymous (24.172.35.20)]

Scoot BTW Ralph Emerson one time said:

I hate quotations.
Tell me what you know.

All conservatives are such from personal defects.

Not he is great who can alter matter, but he who can alter my state of mine.

The reward of a thing well done, is to have done it.

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines

In every work of genius we recognize our own rejected thoughts: they come back to us with a certain alienated majesty.


That which we persist in doing becomes easier for us to do; not that the nature of the thing itself is changed, but that our power to do is increased.

Conservatism stands on our confessed limitations; reform on our indisputable infinitude; conservatism on circumstances; liberalism on power...


There is a crack in everything God has made.

Make yourself necessary to someone

People wish to be settled: only as far as they are unsettled is there any hope for them.


Every hero becomes at last a bore.

It is easy to live in the world after the world's opinion; it is easy in solitude to live after your own; but great is the one who in the midst of the crowd keeps with perfect sweetness the independence of solitude.



1
Nor knowest thou what argument
Thy life to thy neighbor’s creed has lent.
All are needed by each one;
Nothing is fair or good alone.
Each and All.
2
I wiped away the weeds and foam,
I fetched my sea-born treasures home;
But the poor, unsightly, noisome things
Had left their beauty on the shore,
With the sun and the sand and the wild uproar.
Each and All.
3
I like a church; I like a cowl;
I like a prophet of the soul;
And on my heart monastic aisles
Fall like sweet strains or pensive smiles:
Yet not for all his faith can see
Would I that cowléd churchman be.
The Problem.
4
Not from a vain or shallow thought
His awful Jove young Phidias brought.
The Problem.
5
Out from the heart of Nature rolled
The burdens of the Bible old.
The Problem.
6
The hand that rounded Peter’s dome,
And groined the aisles of Christian Rome,
Wrought in a sad sincerity;
Himself from God he could not free;
He builded better than he knew:
The conscious stone to beauty grew.
The Problem.
7
Earth proudly wears the Parthenon
As the best gem upon her zone.
The Problem.
8
Earth laughs in flowers to see her boastful boys
Earth-proud, proud of the earth which is not theirs;
Who steer the plough, but can not steer their feet
Clear of the grave.
Hamatreya.
9
Good bye, proud world! I’m going home;
Thou art not my friend; I am not thine. 1
Good Bye.
10
For what are they all in their high conceit,
When man in the bush with God may meet?
Good Bye.
11
If eyes were made for seeing,
Then Beauty is its own excuse for being. 2
The Rhodora.
12
Things are in the saddle,
And ride mankind. 3
Ode, inscribed to W. H. Channing.
13
Olympian bards who sung
Divine ideas below,
Which always find us young
And always keep us so.
Ode to Beauty.
14
Heartily know,
When half-gods go,
The gods arrive.
Give all to Love.
15
Love not the flower they pluck and know it not,
And all their botany is Latin names.
Blight.
16
The silent organ loudest chants
The master’s requiem.
Dirge.
17
By the rude bridge that arched the flood,
Their flag to April’s breeze unfurled,
Here once the embattled farmers stood,
And fired the shot heard round the world. 4
Hymn sung at the Completion of the Battle Monument.
18
What potent blood hath modest May!
May-Day.
19
And striving to be man, the worm
Mounts through all the spires of form.
May-Day.
20
And every man, in love or pride,
Of his fate is ever wide.
Nemesis.
21
None shall rule but the humble,
And none but Toil shall have.
Boston Hymn. 1863.
22
Oh, tenderly the haughty day
Fills his blue urn with fire.
Ode, Concord, July 4, 1857.
23
Go put your creed into your deed,
Nor speak with double tongue.
Ode, Concord, July 4, 1857.
24
So nigh is grandeur to our dust,
So near is God to man,
When Duty whispers low, Thou must,
The youth replies, I can!
Voluntaries.
25
Whoever fights, whoever falls,
Justice conquers evermore.
Voluntaries.
26
Nor sequent centuries could hit
Orbit and sum of Shakespeare’s wit.
Solution.
27
Born for success he seemed,
With grace to win, with heart to hold,
With shining gifts that took all eyes.
In Memoriam.
28
Nor mourn the unalterable Days
That Genius goes and Folly stays.
In Memoriam.
29
Fear not, then, thou child infirm;
There’s no god dare wrong a worm.
Compensation.
30
He thought it happier to be dead,
To die for Beauty, than live for bread.
Beauty.
31
Wilt thou seal up the avenues of ill?
Pay every debt, as if God wrote the bill!
Suum Cuique.
32
Too busy with the crowded hour to fear to live or die.
Quatrains. Nature.
33
Though love repine, and reason chafe,
There came a voice without reply,—
“’T is man’s perdition to be safe
When for the truth he ought to die.”
Sacrifice.
34
For what avail the plough or sail,
Or land or life, if freedom fail?
Boston.
35
If the red slayer think he slays,
Or if the slain think he is slain,
They know not well the subtle ways
I keep and pass and turn again.
Brahma.
36
Go where he will, the wise man is at home,
His hearth the earth, his hall the azure dome.
Wood-notes.
37
Seeing only what is fair,
Sipping only what is sweet,
Thou dost mock at fate and care.
To the humble Bee.
38
Thou animated torrid-zone.
To the humble Bee.
39
In the vaunted works of Art
The master-stroke is Nature’s part. 5
Art.
40
If the single man plant himself indomitably on his instincts, and there abide, the huge world will come round to him. 6
Nature. Addresses and Lectures. The American Scholar.
41
There is no great and no small 7
To the Soul that maketh all;
And where it cometh, all things are;
And it cometh everywhere.
Essays. First Series. Epigraph to History.
42
Time dissipates to shining ether the solid angularity of facts.
Essays. First Series. History.
43
Nature is a mutable cloud which is always and never the same.
Essays. First Series. History.
44
A man is a bundle of relations, a knot of roots, whose flower and fruitage is the world.
Essays. First Series. History.
45
The virtue in most request is conformity. Self-reliance is its aversion. It loves not realities and creators, but names and customs.
Essays. First Series. Self-Reliance.
46
Whoso would be a man must be a non-conformist.
Essays. First Series. Self-Reliance.
47
A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines.
Essays. First Series. Self-Reliance.
48
To be great is to be misunderstood.
Essays. First Series. Self-Reliance.
49
Discontent is the want of self-reliance: it is infirmity of will.
Essays. First Series. Self-Reliance.
50
The man in the street does not know a star in the sky.
Essays. First Series. Self-Reliance.
51
Nothing can bring you peace but yourself.
Essays. First Series. Self-Reliance.
52
Everything in Nature contains all the powers of Nature. Everything is made of one hidden stuff.
Essays. First Series. Compensation.
53
It is as impossible for a man to be cheated by any one but himself, as for a thing to be and not to be at the same time.
Essays. First Series. Compensation.
54
Men are better than their theology.
Essays. First Series. Compensation.
55
All mankind love a lover.
Essays. First Series. Love.
56
A ruddy drop of manly blood
The surging sea outweighs;
The world uncertain comes and goes,
The lover rooted stays.
Essays. First Series. Epigraph to Friendship.
57
A friend may well be reckoned the masterpiece of Nature.
Essays. First Series. Friendship.
58
Every sweet has its sour; every evil its good.
Essays. First Series. Friendship.
59
Thou art to me a delicious torment.
Essays. First Series. Friendship.
60
The only reward of virtue is virtue; the only way to have a friend is to be one.
Essays. First Series. Friendship.
61
The condition which high friendship demands is ability to do without it.
Essays. First Series. Friendship.
62
And with Cæsar to take in his hand the army, the empire, and Cleopatra, and say, “All these will I relinquish if you will show me the fountain of the Nile.”
Essays. First Series. New England Reformers.
63
The reward of a thing well done is to have done it.
Essays. First Series. New England Reformers.
64
He is great who is what he is from Nature, and who never reminds us of others.
Representative Men. Uses of Great Men.
65
Every hero becomes a bore at last.
Representative Men. Uses of Great Men.
66
Is not marriage an open question, when it is alleged, from the beginning of the world, that such as are in the institution wish to get out, and such as are out wish to get in? 8
Representative Men. Montaigne.
67
Thought is the property of him who can entertain it, and of him who can adequately place it.
Representative Men. Shakespeare.
68
The hearing ear is always found close to the speaking tongue.
English Traits. Race.
69
I find the Englishman to be him of all men who stands firmest in his shoes.
English Traits. Manners.
70
A creative economy is the fuel of magnificence.
English Traits. Aristocracy.
71
The manly part is to do with might and main what you can do.
The Conduct of Life. Wealth.
72
The alleged power to charm down insanity, or ferocity in beasts, is a power behind the eye.
The Conduct of Life. Behaviour.
73
Fine manners need the support of fine manners in others.
The Conduct of Life. Behaviour.
74
Good is a good doctor, but Bad is sometimes a better.
Considerations by the Way.
75
God may forgive sins, he said, but awkwardness has no forgiveness in heaven or earth.
Society and Solitude.
76
Raphael paints wisdom, Handel sings it, Phidias carves it, Shakespeare writes it, Wren builds it, Columbus sails it, Luther preaches it, Washington arms it, Watt mechanizes it.
Society and Solitude. Art.
77
Hitch your wagon to a star.
Civilization.
78
I should as soon think of swimming across Charles River when I wish to go to Boston, as of reading all my books in originals when I have them rendered for me in my mother tongue.
Books.
79
Never read any book that is not a year old.
Books.
80
We do not count a man’s years until he has nothing else to count.
Old Age.
81
Life is not so short but that there is always time enough for courtesy.
Letters and Social Aims. Social Aims.
82
By necessity, by proclivity, and by delight, we all quote.
Quotation and Originality.
83
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
Circles.
84
The virtues of society are the vices of the saints.
Circles.
85
The wise through excess of wisdom is made a fool.
Experience.
86
In skating over thin ice our safety is our speed.
Prudence.
87
Shallow men believe in luck.
Worship.
88
Heroism feels and never reasons and therefore is always right.
Heroism.
89
The faith that stands on authority is not faith.
The Over-soul.
90
God offers to every mind its choice between truth and repose.
Intellect.
91
His heart was as great as the world, but there was no room in it to hold the memory of a wrong.
Greatness.
92
We boil at different degrees.
Eloquence.
93
Can anybody remember when the times were not hard and money not scarce?
Works and Days.
94
Self-trust is the first secret of success.
Success.
95
Next to the originator of a good sentence is the first quoter of it. 9
Letters and Social Aims. Quotation and Originality.
96
When Shakespeare is charged with debts to his authors, Landor replies, “Yet he was more original than his originals. He breathed upon dead bodies and brought them into life.”
Letters and Social Aims. Quotation and Originality.
97
In fact, it is as difficult to appropriate the thoughts of others as it is to invent.
Letters and Social Aims. Quotation and Originality.
98
Great men are they who see that spiritual is stronger than any material force; that thoughts rule the world.
Progress of Culture. Phi Beta Kappa Address, July 18, 1867.
99
I see that sensible men and conscientious men all over the world were of one religion. 10
Lectures and Biographical Sketches. The Preacher.

Note 1.
See Byron, page 544. [back]
Note 2.
See Mrs. Browning: Aurora Leigh, Book I:
The beautiful seems right,
By force of beauty. [back]
Note 3.
I never could believe that Providence had sent a few men into the world ready booted and spurred to ride, and millions ready saddled and bridled to be ridden.—Rumbold (when on the scaffold). [back]
Note 4.
No war or battle sound
Was heard the world around.
Milton: Hymn of Christ’s Nativity, line 31. [back]
Note 5.
Also in Society and Solitude: Art. Nature paints the best part of a picture, carves the best part of the statue, builds the best part of the house, and speaks the best part of the oration. [back]
Note 6.
Everything comes if a man will only wait.—Disraeli: Tancred, book iv. chap. viii. [back]
Note 7.
See Pope, page 316. [back]
Note 8.
See Davies, page 176. [back]
Note 9.
There is not less wit nor less invention in applying rightly a thought one finds in a book, than in being the first author of that thought. Cardinal du Perron has been heard to say that the happy application of a verse of Virgil has deserved a talent.—Bayle: vol. ii. p. 779.
Though old the thought and oft exprest,
’T is his at last who says it best.
Lowell: For an Autograph

[Anonymous (24.172.35.20)]

How many qoutes was that?

[Anonymous (4.139.15.250)]

Isaiah 42:8 "I am the Lord; that is My name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praises to graven images."

[Anonymous (216.183.184.131)]

Scott is probably the most boooring preacher at GGWO who laughs at his own jokes.

[anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Pastor R. cant preach really, it's always confusing and does not stick to anything but wanders and is vague...........never know what he's trying to say really

[RJ (141.154.186.91)]

He's always been a bit of a bore, that for sure.

[Anonymous (141.157.87.67)]

He is a great man, and hasnt wronged anyone. Put your attention towards the real issues.

[RJ (141.154.186.91)]

How is he a "great man"...he has stood by and been part of the wrongs done by the ministry for over 25 years and done nothing to correct things. Having been personally counseled by him back in Lenox, I can say with certainty that he was off on his treatment of issues, people and doctrine.

Roberta

[Anonymous (149.174.164.83)]

141, I find Scott Robinson the scariest one of all. Proven by your complete deception to defend him. If you only knew 141, if you only knew....

[Cordell Walker (66.90.181.249)]

It was Scott Robinson, smiling and being friendly, along with the faithful David Duff who accompanied Paul Stevens to lure Margaret Lang out of her marital home back to Baltimore.

[Anonymous (63.170.71.99)]

Scott Robinson and Diane put Pastor first in their marriage. They were totally available to do whatever Pastor wanted and to "cover up" for him. They have been doing this for about 30 years. They are 100% loyal and it will never change. Scott even feels that Pastor can publically humiliate him and that is perfectly fine and I have seen it happen. Scott believes Pastor can do no wrong.
I don't think Scott is an "Evil" person, just utterly given over to the whims of Pastor and he is emasculated.
This is his ultimate calling...to give Pastor double honor, to put him first before his own wife and family and to protect him at all cost to himself.
I think he would totally agree with this evaluation of his personal calling to Pastor.

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Hence his own father disinherited. How very very sad. A squandered life.

[Anonymous (216.183.185.140)]

It is pretty well know that his dad disinherited him, and he found a new father figure in Carl Stevens in 1972.
What is sometimes overlooked is what 63.170.71 said in addition to the fact that Dianne wears the pants in that family. Always has, always will.

[JoshuaMorin (205.188.117.20)]

strong words from some one who hides his or her identity.im not big on this church as a matter of fact i was more or less kicked out for being me, but to sit on your chairs and type bull**** about one of the only people in gg that is a good and caring person makes me sick. if you got some thing to say about p. robinson than be a man or woman about it and tell every one who the **** you are . get a set. Joshua Morin thats right josh you like that? well i got more, bring it.

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Josh,

I am glad your experience was a positive one with Scott. Unfortunately I know him alot better than you and his kind, caring demeaner is not enough to keep him from destroying people's lives if that is what Pastor requires of him. His one and only loyalty is to Pastor. Ask his wife.

[Anonymous (207.44.134.33)]

I say Scott is being mislead and is hanging on a thread even now...

He was not like this 2 years ago. I think the events of the last year have sent him into confusion.

[RJ (141.154.186.91)]

Do you really think so Anon 207? Can I ask what makes you think that? Would that be something if Scott saw the light and left? That would certainly be a BIG deal.

Roberta

Hi Josh!

[ERIN (205.188.117.20)]

LISTEN UP MR OR MRS ---23-15-71-69 WHATEVER....ARE YOU PEOPLE SO PATHETIC THAT YOU SPEND ALL YOUR TIME BAD MOUTHING PEOPLE(FROM CHURCH) DON'T YOU HAVE ANYTHING BETTER TO DO WITH YOUR LIFE? I AM SURE SOME OF YOU HAVE KIDS AND WIVES THAT YOU COULD BE SPENDING QUALITY TIME WITH NOW THEY ARE BEING NEGLECTED BECAUSE YOU ARE ADDICTED TO SLANDER AND GOSSIP. WHAT ARE YOU REALLY TRYING TO PROVE, DO YOU FEEL GOOD? WELL YOU ARE ABSOLUTE IDIOTS..LETS TALK ABOUT REAL STUFF AND NOT BULL****!!!!ERIN

[Anonymous (216.127.78.98)]

Erin,

What's up?

Chris

[Joshua Morin (205.188.117.20)]

TO 205188 you are a smart ass if you think you know him better than i do.ive have known p.robinson for 28 years ,he taught my 8th grade bible class and has been my familys personal pastor . humans arnt perfect and this goes for all pastors including p.robinson but his heart is in the right place and yours is not, he would and has given the shirt off his back, their is many things and people wrong with gg but p. robinson isnt one of them.if everyone was as godly as p.robinson this chat wouldnt be happening. thanks for your time Joshua Morin oh hi roberta

[ERIN (205.188.117.20)]

HEY CHRIS WHO? WHY ARE SO MANY PEOPLE BURNED BY GG? ONLY WEAK INDIVIDUALS ALLOW THEMSELVES TO BE OVERLY EMOTIONALLY INVOLVED! WHAT IS YOUR STORY? ERIN

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Erin,

I understand your anger but what if all that you read here was really the truth? I am not talking about the stupid and mean stuff but the firsthand stories of families hurt by abuse. If knew you for a fact that someone you loved was literally destroyed by some horrifying abuse, wouldn't you do anything to save them from being abused? Some of us have tried to help from within the church. It didn't work Erin, we could not make it stop. It is covered up and denied. The hurting needs to stop. How do we make it stop? If it is denied, it will continue. It is not out of bitterness or hatred that factnet is here it is because some people care enough about others to spend the time to make sure their voice is heard. I know children in the church, now adults that were horribly abused by adults.. molested, raped and nothing, NOTHING was done to help them. It was covered up and the abusers continued to hurt others. No one helped them, they were told it was under the blood, forget about it. But these children, now adults couldn't forget about. They were victims and were made to feel something was wrong with them. They were made to feel their life was not important, that they deserved the abuse. They never recovered or healed. Later as they got older they were marked as the "problem children".. the ones that wanted world. Sad to say, the world was safer for them than their own church. I have talked first hand to some of them. I would never had known their story without factnet opening that door. None of this should have happened in the first place. These children should not have been victimized. They should been protected but they were not. If factnet saves one child from experiencing what they went through then I will expand all my energy to prevent that. Some of us here care about our young people. We care about you Erin.

[ERIN (205.188.117.20)]

IT'S ERIN AGAIN I JUST CAN'T HELP MYSELF THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I HAVE EVER SEEN SO MANY ADULTS CRY AND WHINE LIKE CHILDREN, I QUESS THE QUESTION IS CHILDREN OF WHOM? I AM SURE IF WE ALL KNEW THE LIVES OF THESE MYSTERIOUS PEOPLE WRITTING IN I AM SURE WE COULD ALL POINT FINGERS AND JUDGE! SO WHAT MAKES YOU ANONYMOUS PEOPLE THINK YOU GOT IT SO GOOD! IT SURE DOES STINK FROM WHERE I AM SITTING......ERIN

[Anonymous (216.127.78.98)]

Hey Erin,

I went to GGCA and later went to a school related to GGWO in a far distant land. I kinda fell in love and landed back here because of whom I was in love with.

I am for sure over emotional. Maybe we know each other :~)

[Anonymous (4.139.33.254)]

Why would anyone dedicate a thread to the "addle-brained" Pastor "Robbingsome"?

His wife probably has to tie his shoes and button his coat for him before he goes to work in the morning. Can't you just imagine him happily "skipping" into "Pastor's" office with a shiny, red apple for him in one hand and a new Spiderman lunch pail in the other.

There ladies & gentleman is a description of the "leadership" of GGWO...not a pretty sight is it?

[ERIN (205.188.117.20)]

THIS LITTLE BULL**** STORY OF ABUSE BELONGS IN TEENBEAT! ABUSE HAPPENS EVERY DAY IT BECAUSE OF STUPID PARENTS AND MOST OF THE TIME THE ABUSE IS FROM SOMEONE WITHIN THE FAMILY...GET OFF THE CHURCH! DID SOMETHING HAPPEN TO YOU? GET COUNSILLING...THIS IS WHERE A CHURCH COMES IN HANDY...BUT FOR REAL ABUSE IS SO REAL AND I FEEL FOR THE KIDS BUT IT IS ALL HEARSAY UNTIL THEIR IS PROOF, WHERE'S YOURS? WHAT IT BOILS DOWN TO IS THAT WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR KIDS FROM WHATEVER IS HARMFUL AND GIVE THEM A POSITIVE OUTLET IN LIFE AN THAT IS WHAT GG IS!

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

We are not judging. It is neither our place nor our goal. We are telling the truth.

[Joshua Morin (205.188.117.20)]

4139 you are such a sissy .josh

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Educate yourself about abuse.

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

And if you were abused would you want someone on factnet naming you? Do you think that if were abused you want to come on factnet and share it with all? Erin the abuse happened. It happened to children, it doesn't matter if you believe it or not. And it will continue to happen unless somebody makes it stop.

[Joshua Morin (205.188.117.20)]

bottom line i got p.robinsons back, diss my bro and you diss me , FINALLY THE JOSH HAS COME BACK TO BALTIMORE, I WILL CRUSH ALL WHO STAND IN MY WAY

[Joshua Morin (205.188.117.20)]

figured some humor was in order lol

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

Yawn,..................... ok Josh

[ERIN (205.188.117.20)]

I AM BEGINNING TO WONDER IF YOU PEOPLE ARE NOT JUST VICTIMS OF YOUR OWNSELVES? IF YOU FEEL YOU ARE HELPING OTHER CHILDREN ON THIS WEB SET YOU NEED A REALITY CHECK. WHY DON'T YOU SAVE ALL YOU EMOTIONAL ENERGY AND VOLUNTEER AT A SHELTER FOR BATTERED AND ABUSED FAMILIES.?!ERIN THATS RIGHT NOT AFRAID TO PUT A NAME TO MY WORDS...

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Erin

What is your opinion of women who have been raped?

[ERIN (205.188.117.20)]

CONCERNING .205.188 IN MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION ALL I HEAR IS BLA..BLAH..BL..BLAH BLAH BLAH FRICKEN BLAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!WANT ME TO CALL THE WHHHAMMMMBULANCE! AND NO YOU DON'T KNOW ME!!!

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

I can hear Erin already.....
They probably did something to deserve it...
They should not blame the ministry if it happened within....
They should get over it grow up and move on...........

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

What did I tell you ....?

[ERIN (205.188.117.20)]

RAPE IS A CHEAP WAY MEN CAN GET LAID..AND IT IS BAD AND THAT IS BAD BOYS DOING THAT.AND I SIMPLY DON'T APPROVE IF YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW.

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Do you not have an opinion on women who are raped?

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

So it's bad when it happens to women, but when it happens to children it's because of "stupid parents"?

[Anonymous (4.139.33.254)]

Josh and Erin are impressionable children; so be gentle will ya!

Josh I forgive your "sissy" comment...Peace!

[ERIN (205.188.117.20)]

HEY GUYS IT HAS BEEN A STITCH..BUT I HAVE TO GO NOW. SEE YOU ALL SUNDAY MORNING AT CHURCH!!!!

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

Yeah .... at GGWO......riiiight!

[Anonymous (216.127.78.98)]

Erin,

I do you know you....

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Good night, Erin.

[joshuamorin (205.188.117.20)]

hey-4.139 what do you know about forgiveness but i forgive you for being sissy punk with homosexual tendencies which i cant say your breath smells so good!!go in peace you are forgiven-

[I ERIN (205.188.117.20)]

I DO YOU KNOW YOU NOT!!!

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

That last post of Josh's sound just like Carl at a rap amongst the inner circle talking about ex-members of GGWO.

[Anonymous (207.44.134.33)]

How do you know you don't. Maybe I closer to yout than you think....

:~)

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

SPEAK ENGLISH PLEASE

[Anonymous (4.139.33.254)]

Yup! Just as coherent and logical as some of "Pastor" Stevens "profound" theological insights! Duhhhhhhhhhhh?????????

By the way, Josh I'd like to thank you for demonstrating for those out in cyberland an example of how a GGWO pastor is NOT living up to 1 Timothy's charge...Elders & pastors must control their own household and you "little boy" are out of control!

Evidently your father, Pastor Morin, is not equipped to except the call after all?

You are a rude, childish and disrespectful little boy Josh...go to bed...it's past your bedtime!

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

Goodnight Joshy !

[Anonymous (216.127.78.98)]

You to Erin. I wonder if your folks know you are up on this satanic board posting?

I really do wonder?

English:Next door, newx room, best friend.. who knows.

Keep your friends close, and your enemies even closer....(especially if they are family)

:~)

[Anonymous (216.127.78.98)]

Goodnight Joshy Woshy Morin...

[Anonymous (4.139.33.254)]

Don't you mean "Joshy Woshy MORON"?

[J (205.188.117.20)]

/?/

[Anonymous (216.127.78.98)]

\!\OH~well\

[joshua morin (205.188.117.20)]

4.139 im not a puppet and pastor morin is not my father he is no relation u assuming jack ass. i diss like the church and have been hurt buy it more than i care to share with the likes of you, but im not gonna stand buy idley while you pompass jack holes talk trash about pastor Robinson. he is my friend. thanx for your time joshua morin

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

You can stand or sit Joshy,
Scott is still a puppet for Stevens, doing his dirty work.

[Anonymous (216.127.78.98)]

Josh,

Use Microsoft Word to check your post than copy and paste it into this posting area. Use the spell check in Word....

I like Scott R by the way.

Relax. Do you play any instruments??


:~)

[Anonymous (4.139.33.254)]

Josh,

Sounds like you and I have a lot in common; a temper and a dislike for GGWO.

Good for you standing up for Pastor R...

Peace once again and thanks for sharing on the board.

We will both get through this rough time of transition and hurt!

4.139

[joshua morin (205.188.117.20)]

also...you thinking pastor morin is my father makes me think you have no idea who i am and if thats the case its possible you dont know **** about tbs or ggwo because every one knows who i am most of all the lenox croud, you realy should know more about a subject befor you make an ass of your self.

[joshua morin (205.188.117.20)]

4.139 thanx for that, i do get a little mad this is a subject i dont talk about alot thanx for some understannding

[Anonymous (4.139.33.254)]

You're welcome and have a good night's sleep Josh!

[joshua morin (205.188.117.20)]

no instruments sorry, i dont use spell check cause you all can understand what im trying to say . i hope you do lol

[Anonymous (68.34.121.13)]

Josh,are you related to Pat ?

[Bob Brinton (151.203.188.20)]

Scott is just another kind of victim. He's 'sacrificing the Eternal on the altar of the immediate'. We still love you Scott, even if you are making the wrong choices. Bob

[JD Skeet (152.163.253.102)]

wasn't it "don't sacrifice the permanent on the alter of the immediate"

--Bob Jones I

It's the only thing that was worthwhile that I learned at BJU

[DYLAN DONAHUE (141.157.88.86)]

Its funny how all these faggots will talk bad to Josh Morin without posting their names. The same thing happened to me and Erin. Is someone scared of what will happen if they take responsibility for what they say? I like Pastor Robinson too. I have seen him and his wife defend me to pastor stevens and save my ass from getting kicked out of school. Also I still dont understand why everyone posts anonymously. If you think things at GG are wrong then who really cares if people there know who you are.

[Anonymous (216.127.78.98)]

Because people have families and it is the habbit of GGWO leaders to take revenge on other people: That includes kids.

Anymore questions genius?

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Dylan, there are a few people who come to the board late at night, usually between 11 pm and 2 am, who can be sarcsatic and petty. They don't support GG. They are obviously angry and may have good reasons for feeling that way. It is merely the way they represent themselves. While they have the right to post as they choose, they don't reflect what the majority of us are about. They behave in a manner that gives the supporters of GG something to point a finger toward in order to try to convince people that we are not telling the truth.

Some of us, myself included, have good reasons to stay anonymous. We have relationships in the church that we value. For us, GG doesn't come before our spouses or children or other family members. You may think that's wrong. We don't.

Also, I don't think that all the bad talk was directed TOWARD Josh or Erin. They seemed to do pretty well in the Bad Talk Department themselves.

For the record, I know you've had a few shots taken at you. That was because when you tell the truth there are some that can't take it. They can't dispute the truth, so they attack you personally. The best thing to do is ignore it. It makes them crazy when you ignore them. Also, there were lots of people here who encouraged you. We are still here and we still think you were brave for telling your story.

Anon the Not-So-Brief

[Anonymous (68.34.121.13)]

Dylan,for comments about homosexuals or faggots,please post on the other board(the nephew on fagnet).
I am sure Carl would be delighted to see you post there.
He may want to do a painting on you,he told me he gets excited if you don't have any major hair growth yet.
Do you have some already,well you could always shave yourself before you meet him.
rrrrrrrrrr Mamasita(Carl learned that in Chile)

[DYLAN DONAHUE (141.157.88.86)]

I wasnt addressing the people who are in this for a good thing. I was talking to the people who curse and tell people to grow up because they are kids, and also the guy who said "any more questions genius" a few minutes ago (he sounds like a winner). I understand that people have realtionships that they dont want to end, but my question is this : doesnt your friendship have the strength to survive a difference of opinion? If you speak out about how you were wronged will you lose these "friends", and if you do they werent worth keeping in the first place. The only way these people can get "revenge" on you is if you stay around them in the church. Think about this before sarcastically calling anyone else a genius

[Anonymous (216.127.78.98)]

Genius (I Mean Dylan sorry http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif )

Family is not alaways able to survive anything to do with revenge.

If you would go back and read often it is on children who have no say where they go to church or school.

Can you figure that out.

[Anonymous (68.33.104.166)]

Dylan, the reason we stay anonymous is because some of us are in the church and if we make known who we are, we are then discredited, marked and ostrasized by the whole church. Do you think it is right for us to lose all our friends due to stevens unjustly marking and lying about us.

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Dylan, unfortunately Stevens teaches that they should put GG above everything. They would only be doing what they have been conditioned to do. We don't want to give up on the people we care about.

[Bob Brinton (151.203.188.20)]

JD, I'm sure you're right about permanent rather than eternal; but it amounts to the same basic thing. Bob

[Anonymous (68.229.25.178)]

Pastor Scott Robinson is an honorable man -- a man of integrity. I've known the man for many years and he's Mr. Encouragement as we all know.

When he was made head of operations earlier this year when Pastor Carl H. Stevens was near death, that was a great choice and a blessing. GGWO could become a great local Christian church and a tremendous missions organization if Pastor R. and Pastor Tom Schaller would take over the leadership of GGWO after Pastor Stevens' passing, or even right now -- that would be great. Lots of things would change for the better. And if they get some of the greatly gifted guys back, who were once pressured/kicked out of the ministry, then we could really see some miracles happen, especially if the church moves back to be a biblical Christian church.

There are a lot of sincere people at GGWO and many just simply seek the truth and a closer fellowship with Jesus Christ. The want to grow in Christ, but for many, many years it has been a battlefield at GGWO and it is more likely that people are burnt out there of their last spiritual capacities than anything else.

With this, we also need to mention that some people at GGWO need to be "demoted" like P. Marr, Annette B., and so on. And the bureaucracy at the bible college has to go as well as the heavy-duty security guards. I know the security guards do a good job, but GGWO HQ looks like Ft. Knox with its guards everywhere.

And then some of the weird doctrines that are legalistic and put a strange yoke upon people, need to be done away with. And if Pastor R. or Schaller is in charge, I think things would really become biblical Christian doctrine as those two guys have lived it for most of their lives. People need to hear and see Grace and they need to be able to grow in Grace freely without the constant pressures, threats and harassments of the current cultic scenarios

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

to "68" who posted 6/18 @ 12:36 p.m. telling Dylan that the reason you stay anonymous is because some of you are in the church, and if you make known who you are you are then discredited, marked and ostracized by the whole church.


MY MY MY.........LOOKIE HERE....A GGWO MEMBER SPYING ON THE MINISTRY FOR THE FORUM~~~~~!!! WOW~~~~I'M SO IMPRESSED~~~~ACTUALLY, MY THOUGHTS ARE THIS....AND THEY AREN'T SCRIPTURAL EITHER.

well now, F----K you, "68".

you GO here to church?

you then post your scum and slime here on the board?

you worry about your reputation?

now I know I've met a real hypocrite.

JOIN IN EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MEET THOSE WHO STAY IN THE CHURCH AND THEN PRINT THEIR SLIME AND SCUM HERE ON THE FORUM AFTERWARDS.

HOW CAN YOU LIVE WITH YOURSELF.

LIKE i SAID, F---K YOU. I wish I knew who you were, so I could spit in your face.

And the rest of you better lay off of SER. Till you have walked in that mans shoes, I think you should just plain shut the F---K up.

He's done more to help most of the people in this body than any of you posting here. Why don't you try following his example instead of so kindly edifying him with his own thread.

[Anonymous (152.163.253.102)]

You poor lost deceived soul.

[Anonymous (66.30.49.45)]

anon 68 @ 4:29-

hey! Robinson enabled, and in some instances physically aided, Stevens in his many years of sin and cover-up. Don't mistake R's humble sweet manner for Godliness! At best, the poor guy is deceived and snookered. At worst, well, he might be going where the big guy is going when their numbers are called..

[Anonymous (68.229.25.178)]

anon 66 @ June 18 - 07:52 pm

Like I said on some other threads, we're not here to speculate and run people down, etc., but this is factnet and this means that if you know something as a fact and you were there and saw/heard it with our own eyes and ears, and if God really leads you for whatever reason to say something, then say it -- otherwise we all need to be silent.

In regards to Pastor R. who I personally know very well and I've spent quite some time with him over the 20 years that I've known him, and I also know Diane and his kids very well, you just can't attack Pastor R., because this is absolutely not right.
Although we all make mistakes and we're not perfect in our daily experience here on earth, you would have a very hard time to find a real fault with Pastor R. He's objective, he's kind and humble, and he encourages people in the love of Christ. When difficult situations arise, he's one you can trust and I know he will give you godly counsel and he'll be the friend that stickes closer than a brother.
We all grow in Grace and so does Pastor R., and he's a rare bright light in the GGWO hierachy and people like Pastor R. are a true beacon of hope for that ministry, and God may even turn everything into a tremendous blessing if Pastor R. is allowed/promoted to be the leader of GGWO -- we may have a true, vital and gracious New Testament Christian church all of a sudden. The people in GGWO love Pastor R. and he doesn't manipulate, but he has genuine care for each soul -- and I know it first hand -- I've watched his life for many years. I have never ever heard even one single negative comment he has made about anyone, instead he always edifies and is believing the best about others.

Don't attack Pastor R. -- in this case I'm certain that it would come back on you.

[Anonymous (4.139.90.136)]

Forgive me if I am speaking out of turn; but it appears others certainly would agree with you regarding Pastor R.

Indeed he "never makes a single negative comment, instead he always edifies and is believing the best about others."

However, this practice has caused him to "turn a blind eye" to Stevens' duplicity and manipulation of others, which has been done the name of God!

This very positive outlook and the encouraging qualities Pastor R. possesses apparently have had the reverse effect.

Factnet posts thus far portray Robinson as being "scattered brained in his ways. Additionally, many believe he could and should influence "Pastor" which he has not done!

Possibly the crux of the criticism against Pastor R. is this...his omission is interpreted as commission of the crimes described on this form.

[Anonymous (68.229.25.178)]

To anon 4.139 June 19 01:34 AM

You have some valid points, and I can see where you coming from. But please, please don't walk by sight in this matter. By sight it may look that way, but it's only by sight.
And I realize that only God knows the heart of the man. But like I said previously, I've spend a lot of time with Pastor R. over the 20 years that I've known him and often on a one-on-one basis, even riding in cars with him on some trips.
And you can't find fault with him.

When it comes to his "omission" of actions, he most certainly doesn't turn a blind eye, but instead he is extremely patient as he is one of these rare true prayer warrior, Pastor R. gives God the opportunity to deal with certain difficult situations. We must trust God in certain situations and as Pastor R. prays he feels led to give the matter over to God.

As you may know he wrote an excellent book on the subject of prayer/intercession.

We must walk by Faith and please lets not charge or attack Pastor R. I think if you and we all just let God do His work, we may see a tremendous positive turnaround in GGWO and Pastor R. could very well be used by God (and I personally think he is being used by God right now) to bring about a great blessing to His church. We need to give it chance, especially since God is patient. Don't forget there are a lot of sincere people in GGWO and they can be set free through a change of leadership who believes and teaches the proper Grace doctrines and who has nothing to do with legalistic threats, etc. whatsoever. And perhaps Psator R. could be used very positively in this way -- this would really be a blessing.

Once the undue influence is gone, and the mind-control practices, and the legalism, etc., and the Word of God is freely preached at GGWO -- which won't be easy, but it's possible through God with the right kind of leadership like e.g. Pastor R. -- then GGWO under whatever name could easily become a vital local Christian church.

But don't judge Pastor R. because he appears to be non-active in certain matter, because he may very well pray for hours regarding a certain issue. And I think that's what he does -- he beliefs the best, he trusts God as he prays for it. And I know he's not covering up. Even though he comes across very gentle and humble, I know for a fact that he is very concerned when it comes to serious and hurtful issues. God has Pastor R. in his place and only time will reveal the truth in this matter.

[joshua morin (205.188.117.20)]

very well put,its is all in Gods hands,we dont know what is in store for you and i and gg but we can think positive and hope for the best because thats the best any one can do,oh yea prayer wont hurt.one message pastor r. spoke to my 8th grade class 20 years ago he said "be addicted to prayer " he also said "if we dont learn another thing in our lives learn this be addicted to prayer" i cant say i am or ever will be but it says alot about his heart. thanx joshua morin

[Anonymous (4.139.90.136)]

68-

Your sincerity is genuine not doubt; but the beliefs you espouse are typical Greater Grace theology aka rationalizations.

I know it is difficut to admit that you have been involved with a cult for 20 years; it was hard for me too.


But your arguments are a perfect example of the subtle tactics found in Stevens doctrines. I might add, doctrines which breed unquestioning complacency, passivity, deception and blindness to the facts at hand. It is NOT faith to blindly accept ALL that leadership says without a system in place for accountability.

Of course it sounds VERY spiritual to say: "Don't walk by sight" "Let God deal with this." etc...
and many on this forum are prayerfully doing just that!

Yet many here feel we have a responsibilty to warn and sound an alarm. Offering help and support to our fellow brothers and sisters.

Many have expressed experiences which have demonstrated that things at GGWO are NOT being handled in the best interest of the flock; rather, the best interest of the few.

God has given each of us a mind to reason with and eyes and ears to see and hear with! Don't dismiss these wonderful gifts from above. It is NOT faith to blindly ignore very obvious warning signs.

I appreciate the fact that you have known this man forever; nevertheless, he is aiding and abetting the: adultery, duplicity, manipulation and deceit of the Stevens'. Judge the Stevens' men by their fruits and remember Robinson is helping them ALL THE WAY!

[joshua morin (205.188.117.20)]

we are all free people, free to come and go as we please . free to go to church and free to stay home , whats realy starting to worry me is why the hell did all you people stay in the church if you think its so wrong,**** i left the church years ago cause i was ****t , but it sounds like you people wanna be apart of the church no matter what,i hope factnet helps you people to move on with your life. thanx joshua morin

[Anonymous (68.229.25.178)]

4.139 on June 19 -- 02:47 AM

See that's the thing of not getting the whole picture.
First of all I'm no longer with GGWO -- I was alienated by them (which is perfect) just like most of you people and the many other victims who begin to see things clearly. And belief me I waited many, many years and did the praying, fasting and the trusting and at the right time GOD made a move. And at first I didn't really understand it all and I thought I lost my "friends" but now as my spiritual life has experienced a revival or even a resurrection so to speak, and it is more fervent and fruitful than ever as its now a truly joyous Christian life, because Christ is free to work in and through me -- it's a Christ-centered life now and no longer a GGWO or Stevenite lifestyle.

When we talk about Pastor R. up there, I was saying that it was pertaining to his particular situation and ministry and place as God has him.
We don't accept anything blindly and we're not passive and Pastor R. is not either -- he (Pastor R.) is praying and he (Pastor R.) is trusting God for the perfect time that God has to bring about.
In the case of Pastor R. faith needs to applied, because I've seen the fruits in Pastor R.'s life and as stated above for many, many years. And judging him would be walking by sight. And this has nothing to do with GG doctrine, but it has to do with what the Bible says. Do everything decently and in order. If you're observing what is going on in GGWO even now as an outsider you quickly discover that something dramatically is happening there and the end result could be for the better.

Nobody should cover up the infidelities, adulterous affairs of any pastor, especially not if it's habitual and there's no true repentance. And such pastors should no longer be in the pulpit and anyone who covers such repetitious sins up is just as guilty as the offender.
But look at Jesus Christ, he had Judas around for a final certain purpose to be revealed later and Jesus trusted the Father that certain things will take its course in due season and that He will work it out. Jesus didn't attack Judas. So in a sense you could say Jesus covered up the sins of Judas, but of course we know that He didn't cover up anything. HE, Jesus Christ, walked by faith.

Pastor R. is walking by faith, because its not the right time right now, but the due season is very close, and even by sight we can already see this.

For my part I have no problem as God leads at times to expose the many violations by GG pastors who have destroyed people's lives, ruined marriages, and split up friendships and so on. And that's for the same reasons you have indicated, because people need to be made aware that they are not alone as victims and that their feelings are not bad at all, but that they're correctly sensing that there's something odd and fishy going on in GGWO to put it mildly.

And yes God has given us a mind to reason and to make decisions, but He has also given us the Word of God so that we may obtain the mind of Christ as we grow in Him. Nobody needs to be a "Yes" person, but kicking against the pricks won't work either. There's a due season for everything and in the meanwhile it's not passively standing by as we actually pray and ask God to lead us in the various decisions and details to help other GGWO victims to be set free from the GGWO bondage.

[Anonymous (4.139.90.136)]

Pastor Robinson accompanied Paul Stevens to pick up another man's wife to bring her to Baltimore where she could "walk into God's will." Right into the arms of another married individual Paul!
Robinson had front row seats for this event...

Please LOOK with your eyes...not your heart!

[Anonymous (68.229.25.178)]

4.139

Sorry, but I didn't know that -- I'm not everywhere present. And if you're absolutely certain about that fact and you're sure that this was truly the case, then maybe you'd like to contact Pastor R. if you haven't done so already and just simply ask him about that situation.

I would never ever approve of such a thing, which is truly disgusting.
But I don't have the facts in this matter, but it seems way out of Pastor Scott Robinson's character. I don't think he would ever go for it. The principle alone of picking up another man's wife to bring her to another place -- unless of course if there was evidenced physical abuse by the husband toward the wife and it's an emergency situation then that's a different story -- is absolutely out of the question, no matter if that husband was walking with God or not. And then to deliver her into the arms of another married man is absolutely sick.

This needs to be checked and investigated what the facts were and if this was really true the way you say it was.

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Read the thread - The Alan Lang Story

[Anonymous (68.229.25.178)]

to anon 205 and 4.139

I quickly scanned the Alan Lang Story and maybe I've overlooked something, BUT Pastor Robinson was only there on Oct. 28 together with P. Paul and David Duff to visit, and that was it.
On the night of Oct. 31, Margaret was supposedly taken by P. Paul, but there was no mention of Pastor Robinson being there.
Instead two other people, a man and a woman, where supposedly with P. Paul, BUT NO MENTION of Pastor Robinson.

I'll check again in the morning, because it's late now, but maybe you want to check the story again and read these passages.
If there's no mentioning of Pastor Robinson being there when the woman was taken that night, then please apologize and set the record straight.
If you do find that particular passage, then please quote it with the Alan Lang Story reference.

Needless to say that what happened there and with P. Paul and all is sickening.

[Anonymous (151.196.139.77)]

It makes me sad to see how so many of you are blinded by Scott Robinson's personality. The bible says you shall know them by their fruit. He is so decieved that he can lie with a smile on his face telling you how much he loves you and wants to help. That is exactly what he did to me, my family and a few other people who were involved in a situation back a few years ago.

My husband had died a few years ago and I moved here with my children because I thought it would be a safe place for us. We went to him for counseling for a family situation concerning my daughter and her boyfriend, which if handled in a godly manner could have been taken care of. But what did he do? He lied to all parties involved, and told us all different accounts of what Carl Stevens had said concerning the situation. He told each one of us what he thought we wanted to hear, what would make us happy, so they wouldn't "lose" us. He in fact told each party that we were right which only caused further division. Then he began lying to other friends and family members who knew what was going on.

We found out what was going on too late as our family was totally confused and alienated from each other. I was brokenhearted, I had lost my husband and now my daughter. I ended up not being able to sleep for months and had to be put on heart medication because of severe heart palpitations and irregular heartbeat caused by stress. More that 6 months went by before I ever saw my daughter again or spoke to her. Birthdays and holidays went by and my son and I spent them alone.

Our love for each other was stronger than the lies, and finally God brought us back together as a family. We discussed what had happened and compared notes. It has taken a few years for complete healing to take place. Scott Robinson was used by the devil to try to destroy me and my family. Scott Robinson may mean well but the way he handled, or should I say MIShandled the situation with my family showed me that he lives his life serving a religion, and Carl Stevens, not the living God. Whether he meant well or not the results of lying and not listening to the Lord was devastating for us. You don't even know what I mean until you've had you're family ripped apart, and someone you trusted betray you. You feel victimized and violated- like spiritual rape, it is no different.

Say all you want about how wonderful you think he is, but you've only seen one side of him. I pray that God will truly humble him, not this false humility that he portrays, and that he will be convicted of his ungodly actions against us and I don't know how many others.

Chris

[Chris Brown (151.196.139.77)]

The above post was mine- not anonymous.
Chris

[Bob Brinton (141.154.186.182)]

When we had open meetings with Dr. Lewis and Tom Schaller during the crisis in the Berkshire Bible Church in Lee (MA); they as much as told us that it's okay to lie to us if it's for our own good. This had been implied for years in Stevens' messages. You don't serve the Truth by telling lies. It's not okay to 'lie to the devil'. Jesus never lied to anyone. Where are liars said to be going in various places in the New Testament? Who is the father of lies? I liked Pastor Scott, and I never experienced lies told directly to me by him. I don't think he was scatter brained. He had some unusual ways of expressing things; but I liked that. But I never would have believed of Tom Schaller what he displayed in those meetings. It was GG's way or the highway; vote with your feet. Baltimore literally seized our church. There are still people who sat through that, and even questioned GG themselves openly; and yet still remain in GG. I guess it's hard to let go of the security blanket. But I'm not their judge. You are each free to have those advising you lie to you if you want. God still loves you, and will still serve and interact with you. Be blessed. Bob

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Scott Robinson sold his best friend to the wolves, he did with kind words and smiles and a wink. The manner of betrayal does not negate the betrayal. Scott has learned the art of destroying lives with honey. The lives are still destroyed. He learned this masterful art from Pastor and he passed the art down to Wayne Hogarth. He is the most dangerous charlatan of all.

[Anonymous (4.139.18.214)]

Notice that NOT ONE PERSON mentioned or agreed with the idea of Pastor "Tommy" Shaller taking over GGWO after 68's "idealized" proclamations?

This "pregnant pause" speaks VOLUMES!!!!!!!!!!!

As for Scott Robinson et. al; we all must continue to pray that God will REVEAL THE TRUTH about all involved with this mess!

[Anonymous (24.88.43.233)]

Please note for the record Scott Robinson is my friend.

I hope that he will be able to do the right things in the day to come.


He has many friends and has many close to him who are at odds.

We should pray for Scott. That includes those who feel he has mislead them.

I love Scott and hope he is able to be of good cheer and helpful in a way that he can.

If he has hurt somebody I hope he responds.

No matter what I will appreciate what he has done for me. No he is not perfect. Go read my wifes post.

But so what neither am I. Scott if anything is guilty of trying to be all things to all people and being loyal to many. It has cost him at times.

I think I can say I know on these matters better than most.

Neil

[SJ (64.12.117.20)]

Neil,
You are right, Pastor Robinson does try to be a friend to everyone, and I'm sure he has gotten caught in the middle more than once.
I for one would like to say that he has also been a real friend to me and always available when I needed to talk about anything.

[ano (152.163.253.102)]

i fear God but scott is confusing an says two differnt things he does not seeem honest but fake with own interest, caused many many hurts:

[RJ (141.154.186.91)]

Only God can judge a man's heart. I personally would like to believe the best about many of the pastors and friends I once loved at TBS, SSB and GGWO.

But, from a painful personal experience last summer with someone I considered a true friend, I sense that the longer one stays in the "system" the more bent the thinking becomes, the more corrupt their motives are etc, and perhaps some never even know it has happened. The unspoken doctrine upon which all fault at GGWO is based , that being "the ends justify the means" cannot leave someone untouched by it's sinful applications.

My friend, who I had held onto to for all the years we have been out of the ministry, someone I never in a million years imagined could be callous, heartless and cruel, cut me to ribbons and I guess a part of me still is hurt. She is a fringe member and yet...became the exact kind of person she always said she hated. I miss her but refuse now to be abused by her ever again.

Scott Robinson is a mere mortal, and I cannot believe that he can be so close to Carl Stevens, who himself is a twisted "Gollum", and not in some way be affected. One must remember the practical details of what Scott has been into and doing for the past 30+ years of his life.

He cannot be completely clean with an association to Stevens. It just cannot be possible. So those of you that love him, please pray for him. I do.

Roberta

[Anonymous (24.88.43.233)]

I can honestly say that if anything there is no self interest for Pastor R in this situation that has unfolded. I know how Scott feels about many people. It is not simple to just say he throws people to the wolves all the time. Sure he makes mistakes and may be caught up in a hard situation but Scott has family and more than you can imagine in this.

Walk out of his office and see who has sat in front of him for years.

I may often be a pesimistic person but I know the history of other groups who have had similar experainces.

Maybe we have the same situation that I have been dreaming about for years.

If so we could change this thread name to the education of Scott Robinson.

In His Peace,


Neil

[Anonymous (4.139.90.107)]

What?

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

You are right Neil, it is not self interest that propells Scott it is Carl-interest that motivates him. He would send anyone down the river for Carl.

Pray for him but do not be deceived by his false sincerity, it is "learned" performance as this point in his life.

He needs to repent and turn to his Savior whose name is not Carl.

[Anonymous (64.246.58.26)]

I would ask then why has he defended so many of the actions of Paul?

What Neil and many others don't know is he has and continues to do so.

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

Scott is a kind person at heart so it seems. Too many time however Scott has been a willing accomplice to evil actions designed to further the ends of Stevens and his pastors.
A kind heart but very little character.

[Anonymous (24.88.43.233)]

Maybe so. I don't think the word willing is fair.

The end of the day is sooner than you think.

Pray for Scott. He is a good man.

Neil

[Anonymous (68.34.121.13)]

This message is for Chris Brown.

There are few pastors/people in this ministry that stand out like pastor R.
I have been a personal eyewitness to the incredible level of patience and acts of kindness this man has displayed over many many years.
This man has sacrificed his life to serve the body unlike anyone else that I know, especially the people nobody seems to care for.
He is always surrounded by the common people, people with problems ,handicaps etc.
This man does not draw a big crowd of bible college students ,who are there to hear where the next church will be planted .
This man looks you in the eye and really tries to make time for each individual,regardless their position.

I have never seen him display any kind of arrogance or falsehood.So Chris where does your problem lie with him ?It must have been because he tried to keep to many people happy ,to not offend them.He does display great loyalty to his friends and considers pastor stevens his friend.

Whatever happened was not done intentionally to hurt you ,but done in a clumsy pastor r like manner ,to try to keep the peace.How do you know ,you might ask,well I witnessed a lot of it and disagree completely with how you attack this man who has done nothing else then to try to serve you .

Chris you showed your true colors by attacking him.
The facts that you conveniently left out are :
You were DEVASTATED that your daughter wanted to marry Bas .
You said that you did not trust Bas,thought he was arrogant and that he reminded you so much of his father,who you disliked too.
Basically you thought it was a wrong choice and you did everything you could, to try to split them up.
Even to the point of kicking your own daughter out on the street.

You REFUSED to go to your own daughters wedding because you thought she was making a mistake HELLO........!!!
Everybody tried to convince you to come to the wedding, telling you it was the right thing to do, that it was your daughter, etc. etc. etc.

Pastor R was involved in this mess ,WHICH WAS A MESS YOU CREATED and tried to be a mediator,peacemaker trying to keep you happy ,trying to keep Bas and Sarah happy ,and trying to keep Pastor happy.
I remember the countless hours he had to listen to your complaints,your daughters grief etc. etc .
And you have the guts to attack him ,calling him used of the devil,ripping apart your family.
No Chris ,you are in denial,in this case, YOU ripped apart the family initially with your rejection of Bas and your cruel refusal to go to your own daughters wedding.
You then wanted him to fix your problems and be on your side.
Listen pastor R is on everybodies side that is just the way he is .

I remember how devastated he was when you started ignoring him in church,wondering if he had done anything wrong .
I know that he told you that he was sorry if he miscommunicated or mishandled anything .
Chris in this one you are totally mistaken and I would suggest you repent publically to pastor r,for crying out loud, you blame him for the mess YOU created !!

[Anonymous (24.88.43.233)]

Wow thanks for that last post!

It answers the question on who somebody who has been posting is.

I finally got it.

Thanks for the words.

Neil

[Anonymous (68.34.121.13)]

PS
Chris ,you said "our love for each other was stronger than the lies "(from pastor r)
it should be :Bas and Sarahs love for each other was stronger than YOUR lies.

[Anonymous (66.98.180.53)]

Attacking Jack will not proove anything.

Especially about Jack and his family.

[Anonymous (66.98.180.53)]

YOU know WHAT YOU mean?

[Anonymous (68.34.121.13)]

??

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

64.12

Scott Robinson is a people pleaser.
He wants to please everyone.
You said it.

Its hard to know where he stands, except that he will do anything for Stevens including selling his soul and family if needed to Stevens

[Anonymous (66.98.180.53)]

Software can figure out things that humans can't like when certain things happen in a row.

When people post, the mistakes they make, the time of day.

Even if some things are not so obvious like their ip number changing.

But eventually they screw up and make the same mistakes more than once in a different place.

enuff said...

Trust no one here.

[Anonymous (68.34.121.13)]

Attacking Jack ? 669818053
are you on drugs ?
I am not attacking Jack(who is my friend),
I am simply stating facts about a situation I witnessed first hand .
I am not to sentimental to speak up and tell the facts .
6698 how come you did not speak up when pastor r was being attacked ?

[Anonymous (66.98.180.53)]

I did.

I even talked to him on the phone. I defended Scott more than anybody. How would you know what I have done?

I can even quote Emerson.

Ever listened to Certain Certainties?

CHS quotes him or Thoreu as well on the soul.

You are attacking Jack. You attack people as a matter of habbit and play friend as well.

[Anonymous (66.98.180.53)]

(68.34.121.13) ?

I thought you didn't think anybody was on drugs.

??? Can't you tell when somebody is on drugs?

[Anonymous (68.34.121.13)]

6698
you are not making sense
I am not attacking Jack ,this took place before Jack and Chris got married .
what do you mean with the drug thing ?

[Anon (152.163.253.102)]

Scott Robinson is a people pleaser.
He wants to please everyone.
You said it.
He's wounded people because he wont be honest. he speaks behind your back and cant keep secrets, even if he doesnt mean to,

[Maria T (141.157.99.97)]

I wouldn't just totally blame Pastor R for speaking behind people's backs and not being able to keep secrets (you said it, I am just repeating it "152").

LOL to me ALL of us are guilty of that at some point in our lives, so why strike out at Pastor R?

He is a great friend to have, and like someone else posted, he is a friend to all. I've known him for 12 years, my roommate for 33 years, they went to SSB together. I erect no man as an idol, but I can say that in all the years I've know him, (and Nancy too has known him far better than I) neither one of us can say that we have ever heard him talk negatively about anyone. Even if we knew he was angry at something someone did to hurt someone else, he NEVER uttered a single negative word in front of us. That speaks volumes to his character and integrity.

Oh sure, people will peck at his flaws, how he's the peacemaker, he may forget for 2-3 days to call you back, he may forget a meeting that was scheduled, ...etc...people sarcastically say he is scatterbrained, nieve, deceiving...all of which is a lie. He is a very intelligent man, well read, he knows the Word of God and from what I've seen he does the best he can do to live for the Lord. None of us are perfect. I had to wait for some of his return calls ... to find out he forgot...years ago it would rile me on the inside, but as I got to know him and see his heart, I realized that his only real "problem" is that he loves the body so much,, he has a hard time saying "NO" to people...because he just wants to love them and build them up, and encourage them in the pursuit of God.

To tear down this man is really a shame. You haven't really gotten to know him then. Very few are true peacemakers and true friends.

Where you posted 152 -- "about his not keeping secrets...even if he doesn't mean too..." -- I don't believe its done deliberately or maliciously, perhaps without thinking...like I said, we've all been there and done that...so who can really throw stones at him for it???

Maria T

[Maria T (141.157.99.97)]

Re:
Thursday, June 17, 2004 - 11:33 pm
Why would anyone dedicate a thread to the "addle-brained" Pastor "Robbingsome"?

His wife probably has to tie his shoes and button his coat for him before he goes to work in the morning. Can't you just imagine him happily "skipping" into "Pastor's" office with a shiny, red apple for him in one hand and a new Spiderman lunch pail in the other.

There ladies & gentleman is a description of the "leadership" of GGWO...not a pretty sight is it?
*************************

It sickens me to see you attack someone you haven't spent a lot of time with. If you did you wouldn't be so hateful in your posts about him. He's well loved by the body here and by many overseas. Are you? Have you ever gone soul winning with this man? I have. Countless people get saved. (Unto God, not GGWO for those of you who needed that said) Have you ever walked in his shoes??? I doubt it. Now I know why Pastor calls this forum evil. At times there is much evidence of this. This is one of those times.

Maria T.

[Chris Brown (141.157.85.218)]

To 68.34.121.13

First of all, what I said was not an attack, it was a testimony of my experience. You said you were a witness and you remember things that happened. I don't know what your idea of the word "witness" means because no one besides Sara and Bas were ever there when I spoke to Scott Robinson. Therefore your so called witness of what went on between Scott Robinson and myself is untrue and gossip. Also, your other input and assessment of the situation is incorrect, although I won't go into all the details as that is unnecessary. However, I will say I was not devastated that Sara and Bas wanted to marry, as you put it. I was devastated after being lied to and having a much more severe situation created by that than was necessary. If you would like to hear Sara's account of how Scott Robinson lied to and misled them you can read it on an earlier thread.

I thought I was very reserved in my account of what happened with Scott Robinson and went into far less detail than I could have. I won't even mention the unsolicited negative opinions that he offered with regard to Bas's father and a few other GGWO pastors. All this on top of what he said Pastor thinks of them. Shall I reveal all the details? I know many more details than were in your "eye witness" posting.

You said," Whatever happened was not done intentionally to hurt you, but done in a clumsy pastor r like manner, to try to keep the peace.
"...He tried to keep to many people happy, to not offend them..."
" Pastor R...tried to be a mediator, peacemaker trying to keep you happy, trying to keep Bas and Sara happy, and trying to keep Pastor happy."
"Listen pastor R is on everybodies side that is just the way he is."

Scott Robinson was used by the devil because the devil is the father of lies, not the Lord. God is not interested in keeping everyone happy and pleasing everyone. He is only interested in the truth even if it hurts someone. This is where the mistake was made. If he had been listening to the Holy Spirit there would have been counsel from the Lord not cover ups and lies. If we don't listen to the Spirit then our counsel is no better than the world's. The problem was he didn't know how to counsel in the Spirit.

Personally, I like Scott Robinson, but being sincere and well meaning does not make you a spirit filled Christian counselor, which is what I expected from him. This whole thing has a classic GGWO smell about it in the way it was handled and the way you have come against me on this board and twisted the facts and tried to make me look like the guilty party when in fact my family was the victim.

Chris

[Anonymous (24.88.43.233)]

Chris,

I understand how you feel.

But please tell me how you handle what Scott did lately? Have you spoken to him about the matter?

I believe your account. But I hope you will forgive him and be his friend.

I find it interesting that you and I have had so many similar experainces with a certain spirit that only GGWO seems to have.

Neil

[Anonymous (68.34.121.13)]

Chris,
I am sorry to say I have to disagree with you.(partially)
Again pastor r came in after the mess that was there.
You opposed Bas,thats when the stuff hit the fan.
I am not against you, but do know that at the time Sarah was very upset with you and so was Bas.
You did refuse to go to your own daughters wedding didn't you? For what reason ?
The so called negative responses pastor r may have given, were probably to confirm what you were telling him,he is simply not the type of guy that will start anything negative about anybody,but he may go along with it .
Do not forget what difficult position he is in,he tries to serve pastor first and trusts pastor as hearing from God,if pastor changes his mind on a situation one day ,and tells Scott, Scott would have to reflect this to the party he was trying to help.
This is how we have been taught:pastor hears directly from God, period.
It was not until his health started to fail that people dared questioning his decisions .
I truly believe that if pastor r made a mistake that he was a victim too.
Chris for the most part I agree with your postings ,just in this case there was more to the story;lets put it this way :yes pastor r made mistakes but tried to help you all out under "guidance" of pastor.
You also made mistakes Chris,why not call it 50% his fault(GGWO)and 50% your fault in other words lets call it quits on this one .(give him a call I am sure he will straighten it out with you)Lets hope and pray for God's light to continue to shine on GGWO to produce a church where there is more accountability from the top down.

[Chris Brown (141.157.85.218)]

Neil,

I HAVE forgiven him a long time ago but what he did was still wrong. Forgiveness doesn't make it right. I think it's important for people to know how he handled my situation so they will be aware and it won't happen to them.

Chris

[Chris Brown (141.157.92.25)]

To 68.34.121.13

The details of my relationship with Sara are none of your business. By the way, no one went to her real wedding, she got married by a Justice of the Peace. No one in my family went to the "ceremony", and a lot of them attend GGWO. Whatever you may have heard was only gossip or one side of the story- remember there are two sides to the whole truth.

You seem to enjoy pointing the finger at me and you don't even know what happened. This is not about my relationship with Sara, this is about a family who expected Godly counseling to help them. If you read my post carefully you would see that I'm not blaming Scott Robinson for the original problem but I know that he did not handle it properly and lied therefore creating many, many, MANY MORE problems.

What are you trying to say here, are you blaming the whole thing on Pastor? You say Scott was a victim. The truth is Scott is a pastor and a counselor and is responsible for himself and his own actions. What Scott Robinson did was not 50% my fault. I am not on trial here. We are discussing spiritually abusive churches and how they operate. The assumptions that you make to defend Scott are without substance.

Like I said before, this is typical of GGWO defenders who turn the victims into the bad guys, and make excuses for themselves.

[Anonymous (68.34.67.195)]

Chris: as the poster said, "Scott was doing as he was trained to believe CHS hears directly from God..." It only took me seeing CHS's behavior in the past few months to see that he does not hear directly from God! Scott Robinson has had direct access to CHS for years. If he hasn't yet realized that CHS serves himself first before he would ever let the holy spirit speak, then he is 100% guilty for not reading all of God's warning signs. He has passed himself off as a Christian counselor who represents the "Godliest man alive." Unfortunately, your family had to experience first hand that he is just a man who has been deceived and was blindly trying to follow the "wisdom" of a self-serving irractional man... Scott might be a very nice guy with good intentions, but if he is going to serve in such an important capacity, he should be accountable to God and not to man.

[Anonymous (68.34.121.13)]

Whoaw Chris,
not one time have you said that maybe you were wrong too...
The fact is that you were in a horrible fight with your daughter over Bas and her decision to marry him.
I guess that was all Sarahs fault or no maybe Bas fault,no lets blame the whole thing on pastor r who tried to do what he thought was best for everybody.
Chris you have a reputation of being very headstrong ,people are scared of you because you always seem to try to communicate what is right from YOUR viewpoint.
You remind me of another lady,her name is H.V.D you know who I am talking about....
Just lay off of pastor r ,he is a guy that you are not worthy off ,yet even now he would do anything to help you out IN SPITE OF THE HATEFULL POST you wrote about him.
Do you EVER admit you are or were wrong about anything?

[Anonymous (4.139.12.4)]

68.34:

Leave Chris alone! Frankly, we could careless WHAT your opinion is since you have revealed your lack of integrity and immature approach ways. Does "~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~" ring a bell? Besides, this petty issue is not the point! Read what 68.229.25.178 has to say on his previous post. Maybe you will be ready to accept the truth and heal beyond the nonsense known as Greater Grace World Outreach.

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Same old same old. The leaders are just wonderful godly men. So what if hundreds of families have been destroyed, they were just innocently serving Pastor.

Lay off Chris, you have no idea who you defend. Scott enabled the adulteries and fornications of Carl, covered for him, lied for him. He knows exactly what a charlatan he is.

You are deceived. Your tactic of attacking Chris doesn't work anymore. We have story after story with the same dirty GG M.O. all over them. You sound like a fool defending these men. Go read the Alan Lang story.

[Anonymous (68.34.121.13)]

ps
I am not a GGWO defender,
but I do defend my friends,Scott has been a true friend to me and many many others.
I remember him trying to move heaven and earth to have you show up at the wedding ceremony for your daughter (performed by Bas father,whose guts you hated).
Shame on you Chris for abandoning your daughter like that in the name of righteousness .
You then blame the whole thing on Scott.
Try walking a few miles in this mans shoes;after the first day you would have a nervous breakdown .
YOU ARE SO WRONG......

[Anonymous (68.34.121.13)]

4139
???
what are you talking about ~~~ ??

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Deceived one, I would advise to try walking in that man's shoes for one day, it would open your eyes and if you have integrity, you would run as far away from GG after getting a glimpse of the "real GG" and the "real Scott."

Please go borrow those shoes, it will save your life.

[Anonymous (4.139.12.4)]

Apparently he, Scott, has already experienced a nervous breakdown; as he continues to support the evil within this organization with no remorse!

[Anonymous (68.34.121.13)]

205
I am not defending these men
the mistake you make is to assume that everybody around pastor is making mistakes on purpose .

There are some truly godly men,they just suffer from an unhealthy devotion to pastor.
Therefore they do make wrong decisions inspired by pastor.

Yes I agree that they are accountable but after being in this mind control setting for so many years it is hard to start making decisions against the leadership(pastor)because you know you WILL be out.

Were do you go if this is all you ever knew, and you are getting paid a salary ...... ?

[Anonymous (4.139.12.4)]

To the loving arms of Jesus and to others who have and are walking this painful mile; for support and help as you make the difficult transition back into reality.

We are truly here for you pastors; if you will only come clean with the truth!

[Anonymous (4.139.12.4)]

Think about it; what in the end will be accomplished by protecting this crazy old man?

It will accomplish a continued:

...disfuntional system

...misuse of God's [not Carl's] resources & $$$$

...abuse of God's [not Carl's] people

...promoting of lies and deception

...stealing of sincere believers time and efforts

A little food for thought; those of you serving this organization and worshipfully obeying this old man's every whim!

Shame, shame, shame...read 68.229.25.178's post for clarity on what you've believed these many years!

Take a stand for Jesus Christ; not Carl H. Stevens, Jr...the two are not connected!

[Anonymous (68.34.121.13)]

205
I have walked next to these shoes many many times
if it weren't for these shoes(feet)I would not be here today .
The things I have seen this man do were mindblowing .
His patience and kindness , phone call after phone call ,letter after letter were unmatched.
The endless hospital visits,his teaching in the college etc.,etc.year after year after year!
Yet I have never seen him angry or heard anything negative out of his mouth in 25 years!

There is one thing though that I have observed in this mans life:when he preaches teaches or ministers to you one can absolutely sense the presence of the Almighty,Scott truly puts in reality to esteem another higher then oneself.
Has he made mistakes absolutely but I truly think it was because he tried to honor Gods man.

Please do not be so blinded to now see everybody on staff as wrongdoers,there are many many good people that do not know what really is going on.
Or they are simply confused to what to do next.(like myself)

[Anonymous (4.139.12.4)]

Let God bring Carl H. Stevens, Jr. to his knees before it is too late! I think this board is God's loving mercy to Carl H. before he has to give an eternal account for all the wrongs he has done to others throughout the years.

If you truly are loyal to and love this old man; please don't enable him to continue with this charade! God is calling him to give an account... RIGHT NOW so that he can repent before he dies!

[Anonymous (68.34.121.13)]

The problem is that people around him continue to tell him that everything he does or says is AWESOME.
If this is all you hear you start believing it too,worse, you get a very high sense of self importance .
Then paranoia comes in :the devil is trying to destroy this one of a kind ministry,people are infected, the eggs are hatching etc.etc......

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

So 68.34 where do you stand in all this? Continuing to go to church there?

[Anonymous (4.139.12.101)]

Back to the top important little issue...

[Anonymous (68.34.121.13)]

6412
I am at "a crossroad" trying to find " the crossroad",how bout you?

[Anonymous (66.98.226.42)]

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[Anonymous (207.44.134.33)]

For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue is like the issue of horses. Which suggests that penis size is important. Or that the amount of ejackulate that a person has is important as well. Issue? Issue thats an issue! Fleshly thoughts like the size of a best? For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue is like the issue of horses. Now that is a thought from the KJV maybe the amplified does a better job? For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue is like the issue of horses. I don't know maybe not? For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue is like the issue of horses.

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[Anonymous (141.154.186.91)]

Bumpin to the top

[Nancy Curra (172.138.18.37)]

Hi My name is Nancy Curra. I am an intelligent 52 year old woman who is a Christian. I really never understood what Christianity was until I came to Greater Grace. There Pastor Stevens taught me of the love, mercy, grace and unconditional love of God. The more I listened and studied the Word myself the more I got to know God. I have been very ill for 14 years and in a wheelchair and because of the sound doctine I have been taught I have learned to be a receiver of God's love and have great peace, joy and contentment in my situation. I am thankful to the Lord that He raises up weak human men to become men of God who hear His voice through His Word. I am really sorry that a handful of people due to wounds they nurture are saying the things they are saying. If these things are true then why is everyone anonymous? Noone is going to hunt you down because you have an opinion. Why not say who you are and name names of those you accuse? We don't really need to know, God knows. And I will continue to love thru Christ all people and continue to stay in my church. There will never be a perfect church on earth and the church is comprised of imperfect people. But my church with it's imperfect people love one another, love the Lord, desire the Word and honor our leaders. If someone fails or makes an error in judgement, they are corrected, they stand or fall before God and if they don't repent God will handle it. This is my one and only visit here because the Bible says be ignorant to evil, and wise to that which is good.
I pity you who hide.

[Anonymous (68.38.195.85)]

i do think the pastor robinson mis a good man, but a lot of people have been hurt and greater grace will not address the issues, they just want to cover it all up and go on like they are a real chritian church, but i do no that it is a unloving church, you will not know this till you are out of this church, when you go to another church that is christian you are still an outcast. so so many people have left pcasist,pheinz,dee de stotered,john sullicvamelady redgate,bruce steven,carlstevens so so many

[Anonymous (67.163.201.62)]

Nancy Curra,
You may be intelligent as you claim,
you may even be a "good christian"
but Carl H. Stevens is something else.
You do not know him if all you know is what
you have written above.
You have selected eyesight or a form of blindness
refusing to consider that there are people outside of your church that have a much different perspective of Carl H. Stevens
Believe it or not these people with different viewpoints are NOT unsaved, carnal, criminal,
lasciviuos, or"fags" as Carl like to say.
Many have been in the ministry much longer
than you and have seen much more.
Your position of -hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil- is not scriptural as you may think. Abandoning your God given critical thinking skills is not biblical either.It seems to be a prerequisite for staying in GGWO.
Your the one to be pitied.

[Anonymous (68.38.195.85)]

i do agree with josh morin that pastor robinson is probable one of the most honest and godly men there, but i am sure he has seen what has happened, with so many people leaving with 20 years under there belts, so wake up and see, carres, was a christian and so was that otherchurch that drank the grape juice, open your eyes abd do not be decieved and us your own mind

[Jack Brown (141.157.125.115)]

To: 68.34.121.13

Your post:

"Attacking Jack ? 669818053
are you on drugs ?
I am not attacking Jack(who is my friend),"

I have a question for you...a serious one. I'm not asking who you are; I respect your privacy, but could you e-mail me from an anonymous e-mail account? Please. Click on my name on the left for my e-mail.

Thank you very much,

Jack Brown

[Nancy C (172.152.215.139)]

Somehow my post got deleted but my question is to 6716320162. I know I said I wasn't coming back but I just can't understand why you post anonymous if what u say is true. I didn't call anyone criminal or unsaved. I am just trying to understand. Noone is going to come after people for having opinions and saying their names. But if you don't say your name then how can what anything you say be believable? thanks

[Nancy C (172.152.215.139)]

O btw the only reason I am not at Convention is because I am in the hospital. Just wanted to make it clear. I love my church and love the Lord and there is none perfect on earth so since I can't move myself, being in a wheelchair, I will just stay where I am planted until and if God moves me. I really shouldn't be here but I am just so baffled as to why people are spending so much energy on a place they are no longer affiliated with? Why not get on with your lives before God and we will live in peace and love one another and win the lost instead of attacking one another when we all profess to love God and be Christians. That is all that I am really confused about. God bless.

[Anonymous (67.163.201.62)]

Nancy C.
I love the Lord also. I just do not see Him through the stilted lens of GGWO any more.
Bless His name.
Your being baffled puzzeld me when I wondered
if you have read the thousands of posts mostly from people who have been hurt by GGWO without resolution.
But then I realized you are probably not permitted to read such postings, since they are labled " a million percent satanic lies" by Pastor Stevens
I truly sympathize with your physical disability.
But I have no biblical obligation to condone your selected ignorance of people outside of GGWO.
Consider for a moment; many of these people if not all may in fact love Jesus every bit as much as you in spite of what is implied by some at GGWO.

[Nancy C (172.137.95.108)]

I never implied that you don't love Jesus. I have been hurt too, details I will not go into.But no church and no human being is perfect. there are many beautiful Christians who love and serve the Lord with all their heart and go to GG. I know what it is like to be shunned and overlooked by leaders but that is a handful. And some who left are part of that group as well as some who are still here. But I listen and study the Scriptures and follow the Lord. I don't agree with everyone all the time including Pastor. But no church or human being is going to know the whole Truth less we all get puffed up. God is in control and I trust Him not a man. I believe that people have been hurt but...attacking and looking for appologies etc. is not the way to handle things..going before God is the way and always will be. Once we have gone to a person alone and they choose not to repent then we must place it in God's hands. Judging only leads to God place another's chastening on us. That is Scripture speaking not GG or a man. It is written in the Word of God. The Bible is our final authority not a man. So love the brethren, forgive 7 times 70, leave a church if you choose but attack? Handle things in a Godly manner. And if you have a problem with a person go to them alone. Bible speaking not a man. If God chooses to move me and makes a way then I will follow God and if not I will stay where I am planted for the sake of others.
I have no choice for which I am thankful. In a way being bound to a wheelchair gives more freedom.

[Nancy C. (172.137.95.108)]

And to your statement " But then I realized you are probably not permitted to read such postings, since they are labled " a million percent satanic lies" by Pastor Stevens " I can do whatever I want. If I want to read something I can. The Bible doesn't say I can't. It says be not informed of evil. It is not evil to read opinions and if it is well then God will have to reveal that to me, as of yet He hasn't.

[Nancy C. (172.137.95.108)]

And to your statement " But then I realized you are probably not permitted to read such postings, since they are labled " a million percent satanic lies" by Pastor Stevens " I can do whatever I want. If I want to read something I can. The Bible doesn't say I can't. It says be not informed of evil. It is not evil to read opinions and if it is well then God will have to reveal that to me, as of yet He hasn't.

[Chris Brown (70.16.16.76)]

Hi Nancy,

Glad to see you here on the board. We heard that you were in the hospital for an extended period of time, but didn't realize you were still there. Jack and I sincerely hope that you will be able to return home soon.

Many of the statements you made here show that you have been indoctrinated, as we all were, in teachings that are not true. For one, we were all taught not to judge....you described the GGWO version of not judging....but what does the bible say?

1 Corin. 5:11-13 " But now I write to you not to associate with any one who bears the name of Christian brother, if he is known to be guilty of immorality or greed, or is an idolater-that is, whose soul is devoted to any object that usurps the place of God-or is a person with a foul tongue, or is a drunkard, or a swindler or a robber. No you must not so much as eat with such a person. What business of mine is it and what right have I to judge outsiders? Is it not those inside the church upon whom you are to pass disciplinary judgement-passing censuring sentence on them as the facts require? God alone sits in judgement on those who are outside. Drive out that wicked one from among you-expel him from your church."

Unfortunately GGWO does not act as a New Testament church, in that there is no place to air grievances and the people are told to, as you said, place it in God's hands...trust God. Earlier in chapter 5, Paul talks about the leaven and contamination that will come into a church if sin is not dealt with.

Nancy, as you read the other threads here listen to people's testimonies, read the Alan Lang account and think about whether or not these things were handled in a biblical manner. Many of the earlier threads, around 2-5 or 6, have a lot of good discussion on unbiblical teachings at GGWO. I know you love the Lord and will hear him speak the truth to you as you read these postings and meditate on Him.

God Bless, Chris

[Nancy C (172.137.95.108)]

Hi Chris
thankyou for your concern. Hopefully I will get out in a couple of weeks however I am very ill and appreciate prayer. God has been so very personal with me during this last year. I was homebound since last August and went into the hospital in November.
To be honest with you I read mostly anonymous grievances and one story. But I believe that Margaret had a say in the matter of her decisions.
Also I am not a witness to any of these situations, so I am in no position to take a stand on either side.
As far as taking grievances I am not sure I understand. There is an open staff meeting far as I know a year ago. Anyone could go and speak. I haven't been to church a year because of illness but I understand being hurt.
But I don't believe I am indoctrinated in anything but the word. The verse you quoted is true but I am not aware of anyone involved in these things.
I guess there are people privey to more than me and in that case I cannot speak.
I can only address what I read.
How can I know what was handled how when I wasn't there?
In Christ and in love truly,
Nancy

[Jon R. (12.31.202.4)]

To Chris,

Its truly sad to see you attack P. Robinson and the Body the way you do. I saw how happy and how excited your son was to be invested in by the youth ministry and how it literally changed his countenance. I witnessed it with my own eyes. The fact that there were and still are those who would invest in your life as well as your family's life and they get attacked for such things.
You certainly did kick your daughter to the curb because of the engagement. One of my best friends, who was one of the few people that attended was at the wedding at the Macaroni Grill, which you didn't attend b/c you didn't "Approve" of the wedding. I was very surprised to find him there especially after I witnessed with my own 2 eyes that he had his heart strung along and then crushed meaninglessly by her. I was even in her class and saw her do the same to another one of my friends, but thats besides the point.
P. Robinson, to this day has nothing but compassion and a heart for the hurt and wounded. I have gone to him on several occasions with situations regarding my own family. When no one else in the church would extend their hand, he certainly did. He made my mother feel like she was a Queen just by his wit, sense of humor and compassion towards her. When she needed help, who do you think picked up the slack when no one else would?? P. Robinson. He did everything in his power, which was much more than I expected of him for real legitimate needs.
It is true that he doesn't have a Crowd around him waiting for the next word to come out of his mouth, but he will go and minister to those who may not get the attention that they might desire from the Body.
I don't think you should spread lies and gossip about this man, when apparently he did everything that he could for your family.
He isn't a brick wall where accusations will just get flung at him and fall to the ground. I think that he would love to restore fellowship with you, but apparently thats not something you would ever have in mind because of what is revealed through your posts.
I'm praying for you Chris.
Jon R.

[RJ (151.203.163.174)]

"P. Robinson, to this day has nothing but compassion and a heart for the hurt and wounded."

Ahhhh....but has he any heart and compassion for those he himself personally has wounded?

No. He doesn't. I have first hand knowledge of this. Believe what you want of him. He smiles with one face and maligns with the other.

I was with someone who went to him for help here in Lenox and the person was laughed at and turned away. I am not the only person who can tell of such an experience. Maybe he's a good old boy in Baltimore, but he was no such thing here.

[Nic (149.174.164.83)]

I would just like to say that I have known Pastor Robinson since I was a teenager, and he has been nothing but a true friend to me and my family. As someone has said before on here, his fault may be that he tries to be a friend to everybody, because that is his heart, and he does get caught in the middle sometimes. He has always been available and approachable, and very much can identify with you exactly where you are at.

It is so easy to make general statements about people not being helped and treated badly, without knowing the full story, and BOTH sides of it.

All I can tell of is that I have found him to be a real friend. And when my daughter was in the Christian school, Pastor R would spend time with the kids, and invest in them and take them out places, and it made such an impact on their lives.

[Anonymous (68.34.76.34)]

RJ, don't you have better things to do except bringing up your OLD dirty laundry. Lenox is in the past, stop drudging up all that stuff. Many of us who know P Robinson today, know him as a great friend in Christ. Seems to me you just like stirring up trouble.

[RJ (151.203.163.174)]

GGWO is a cult. It has a cult past that has followed it to Baltimore. GGWO would not be in Baltimore but for the crimes and excesses done in it's prior incarnations, and you cannot escape it.

There are two sides to every situation. Both sides need to be spoken.

I knoow Scott has his good points, but he is a leader in a cult. Bottom line, he is not all he appears to be. And no, I do not have better things to do then expose what I know of a cult, so that others might be warned.

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Well said Roberta...

Again, the higher you are in the web of deceit surrounding Carl Stevens then you are all the more compromised. Scott Robinson is as high as one can get in GG. He shares the sin. In each decision he could have made a right choice, he did not. He could have decided to stand for Christ, for righteousness, for truth, for the sake of others but he did not. He could have chose the sacredness of being a loyal and true friend but it would have cost him too much. Do I believe he is conflicted and burdened by his bad decisions? Yes, but not enough. For years and years he chose to enable and cover Carl's sins. Even now, at the cost of many, he chooses this path. He shares the sin.

[lee (65.96.56.161)]

sad sad sad......so many men and women have made decisions to stay where there is no accountability, no responsibility, no examination, no obedience to the word, no integrity. sad sad sad

[RJ (151.203.163.174)]

It is sad, Lee. I used to adore Scott. He was a friend and I loved his happy spirit until I discovered what lurked beneath the surface.

All of this is incredibly sad.

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

What is sad, RJ, is what lurks beneath your surface, and actually it is not too far beneath to see it plainly

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

No, what is sad is those that continue to defend an evil leadership devoid of God's nature. That turn blind eye to those that have watched their families destroyed for the sake of protecting a facade of Christianity. What is sad is attaching evil motivations to those that speak the truth and expose the lie. What is sad is to observe evil labeled as good and good labeled as evil.

[Anonymous (63.27.71.162)]

Hey, GGWOers won't even let you open your mouth and say one syllable of dissent. Cocatrice eggs, an evil report, touch not God's anointed, etc...
How on earth can we reach these people as long as they continue to refuse to listen and keep their heads up filled with brainwashing caca?

I recently went to a GGWOers home on a Sunday afternoon to pick up something brought from overseas by this person's son. As she opened the door I could hear Carl droning in the background, "The subconscious is the conscious..." as she stared at me like a zombie!

[Anonymous (24.91.61.194)]

sad sad sad that you people will have to give an account of every idle word you have spoken.

[Bob Brinton (141.154.150.31)]

Don't forget the idol words.

[C.B (24.91.61.194)]

Idle words can become idol words when one thinks he/she has a mission.
Sure you can say anything you like. No one is stopping you. But what if this "high calling" you who attack God's people think you have, is not of God? Don't you ever wonder if all of you; Lee, Bob, JF,Roberta, etc. are part of the Accuser's plan to accuse God's people. (night and day?)
C'mon, be honest.

You remind me of the dwarfs in C.S. Lewis' book The Last Battle (Chron. of Narnia). They sat huddled in a little group complaining and ranting about their experience when all around them the glory God was shining. They couldn't see it.
You also, I believe are overlooking the magnitude of God. Is His arm too short? Doesn't He know everything?

When the disciples asked Jesus, "what about him?" Jesus replied, "What is that to you?"

What about about P. Stevens, Greater Grace, Baltimore?

"What is that to you?"

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

Idle words can become idol words when one thinks he/she has a mission.
Do you mean like the recruiting of attendees?

Sure you can say anything you like. No one is stopping you. But what if this "high calling" you who attack God's people think you have, is not of God?
What if your covering of misdeeds and sin is not of God?

Don't you ever wonder if all of you; Lee, Bob, JF,Roberta, etc. are part of the Accuser's plan to accuse God's people. (night and day?) C'mon, be honest.
Countless hours have been spent in prayer asking the Lord to enlighten and guide those named. Not only by them, but by us asking the same for ourselves AND them.

You remind me of the dwarfs in C.S. Lewis' book The Last Battle (Chron. of Narnia). They sat huddled in a little group complaining and ranting about their experience when all around them the glory God was shining. They couldn't see it.
What if it is you who is huddled, complaining and ranting about the truth-tellers and resisting the light that is shining around YOU?


You also, I believe are overlooking the magnitude of God. Is His arm too short? Doesn't He know everything?
Indeed, he does and over the course of history - BIBLICAL history - he has not only compelled, but required that his people ACT according to his word.

When the disciples asked Jesus, "what about him?" Jesus replied, "What is that to you?" What about about P. Stevens, Greater Grace, Baltimore? "What is that to you?"
First, you are not Jesus. Second, this is not gossip or meddling or judging. This is the exposition of gross wrong doing and sin that is a danger to God's people.

Since I DO have faith in God, since I HAVE prayed - and prayed - and prayed - to be led on this, since I DO believe that God is requiring me to act, I will continue my course of ACTION until I am lead by GOD to do otherwise.

What about you? Will you continue to cover the sin and abuse of this organization regardless of what the biblical standard is for its leadership?

[Nancy (172.173.109.130)]

Paul always exposed an error or a person who was in error. It is very Biblical that God's people expose error.

[C.B (24.91.61.194)]

Well, there are many believers who do not agree with you. We also have prayed and and asked God. And I know in my heart that He has spoken to me about this issue. I do have, I think, a healthy fear of the Lord.

I know that you may not be, in fact you aren't intreatable. You won't question yourself. For anyone.

I am not God, you're right, but neither are you.
On that basis alone I would think twice about this so-called exposing.
C.B

[lee (65.96.56.161)]

C.B.
There has been a biblical account given here on FACTnet by a few people as to why exposure of sin is necessary. Why not go back through the threads and read it. If you have already and still disagree, fine. I will not attempt to give you answers that have been given repeatedly.

I for one have questioned myself as carefully as I possibly could. I have shared what I'm doing with a couple pastors from my church and a woman friend of mine that I consider someone that would hold me accountable if I were to get 'off'. Everything I get myself involved in, I check it out with my husband. All past friends from TBS that I've talked to about this have things to say about it and I listened carefully to them. I think I'm in a constant state of examining and checking. At least this is the way I'm handling it.

One thing I learned a few years ago is that there are a few verses in the bible that can and are used to stir up, instill and keep alive any ungodly fear that may be lingering. Some verses can and are used as threats.

It's good you bring up the subject of making sure we are doing right.......I'm just hoping that you aren't using any fear tactics.....I choose to give you the benefit of the doubt and hope that you are writing for our good. Thanks

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

CB - You assume to know me, when in fact, you do not. There are more of us out here than you think. All is well with my soul.

[JF (67.95.98.107)]

Eph 5:11
Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them...

Go ahead and disagree with that.

[Anonymous (24.91.61.194)]

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[Anonymous (70.16.6.34)]

SO C.B. you didn't get the answers you wanted
so you screw up the thread? What a jerk you are. We'll just start another one.

[Anonymous (70.16.6.34)]

Go to Scott #2 thread everybody