I WILL ALWAYS CARE Help for Abuse Victims [Archive]

Roberta (141.154.144.33)

07-02-2004, 07:55 PM

I understand. I care. I know that you have been scared to talk, to put it into words, to say it to anyone..."I was sexually abused by a person at GGWO". You are afraid. I do understand.

I want to help. But I know that posting anything on the factnet board publically can make you a victim of the insensitive people who like to mock and make fun or of those who are too scared themselves to help you. It is wrong that they do this, but because this is an open place where anyone can speak, they will continue.

So. I am offering you privacy and a safe place to talk. If you want to pour it out to someone who will weep and pray for you, email me. I can offer you my heart. I will NOT tell anyone your story without your permission. I will NOT speak of anything you say to another without your permission. Your privacy is as important to me as you are. I am not looking to use your pain to hurt GGWO, my focus is you and you only. That is my pledge before God.

If you are seeking advise as to how to get help I can offer you numbers to call, and I will respect your privacy all the way.

If you need me, please let me help.

Roberta Fernalld
srfern@verizon.net

Roberta (141.154.144.33)

07-03-2004, 04:16 PM

Imaginary

(Lyrics by Evanescence)

i linger in the doorway
of alarm clock screaming monsters calling my name
let me stay
where the wind will whisper to me
where the raindrops as they're falling tell a story

in my field of paper flowers
and candy clouds of lullaby
i lie inside myself for hours
and watch my purple sky fly over me

don't say i'm out of touch
with this rampant chaos - your reality
i know well what lies beyond my sleeping refuge
the nightmare i built my own world to escape

in my field of paper flowers
and candy clouds of lullaby
i lie inside myself for hours
and watch my purple sky fly over me

swallowed up in the sound of my screaming
cannot cease for the fear of silent nights
oh how i long for the deep sleep dreaming
the goddess of imaginary light

RJ (141.154.144.33)

07-05-2004, 11:28 AM

Never Alone by Mercy Me

It's been one of those days
When everything just feels so far away
Hope don't be a stranger
Won't you help me make it through today?

Then a voice comes calling out to me
You're never alone cause I am with you
And I will always be
I will hold you cause you belong to me
You're never alone cause I'll be with you
For all eternity

Someone tell me how I
Stumble into doubting all the time
Some days I'm all together
And other days I stand here asking why

Then a voice comes calling out to me
You're never alone cause I am with you
And I will always be
I will hold you cause you belong to me
You're never alone cause I'll be with you
For all eternity

Then a voice comes calling out to me
You're never alone cause I am with you
And I will always be
I will hold you cause you belong to me
You're never alone cause I'll be with you
For all eternity

[repeat]

You're never alone
You're never alone

Roberta (141.154.144.33)

07-06-2004, 07:49 AM

This list is not intended to be an exhaustive list of crisis resources. Instead, it is meant as a starting point for you to explore.

Unless indicated otherwise, the following numbers
are for residents of the U.S.

RAINN: Rape, Abuse, and Incest National Network (USA) 1-800-656-HOPE)

Hopeline - 1-800-SUICIDE (1-800-784-2433) "THE HOPE LINE NETWORK 1-800-SUICIDE is not limited to use by depressed or suicidal callers. It is also a valuable resource for anyone concerned about someone who seems at risk, despondent, hopeless, or considering a self-destructive act."

SAMARITANS USA: http://www.mhnet.org/samaritans/

SAMARITANS UK/IRELAND: http://www.samaritans.org.uk/

Childhelp USA National Hotline: 1-800-422-4453

Covenant House Nineline is a 24-hour, toll-free crisis hotline which provides crisis intervention, referral and information services to homeless, runaway and other troubled youth and their families throughout the U.S. With a database of over 26,000 agencies, trained crisis counselors are able to refer callers to help in their own communities. Covenant House NINELINE 1-800-999-9999 TTY: 1-800-999-9915

Boy's Town (*Not* just for boys): 1-800-448-3000

Kids Help Phone (Canada/Bilingue): 1-800-668-6868

Tel-jeune (Canada/Bilingue): 1-800-263-2266

Suicidology.org - Click the button labelled "Crisis Centers"

Self-Help for Self-Injury by Anonymous: http://www.mindspring.com/~thefly/selfinjury.htm

Secret Shame (Self-Injurers): http://www.palace.net/~llama/psych/injury.html

Befrienders - Gateway to to 1,700 suicide and emotional helplines worldwide and on the Net

Childline (UK): 0800 1111 1111 - UK's free national helpline for children and young people in trouble or danger

Rape Crisis Federation (UK) 0115 934 8474

Secret Shame: http://www.palace.net/~llama/psych/injury.html

If you are in immediate danger, Call 911, your local crisis response line, or go to an Emergency Room

Roberta srfern@verizon.net

Anon Brief (64.12.117.20)

07-06-2004, 08:12 AM

Great resources, Roberta. Much appreciated.

Roberta (141.154.144.33)

07-07-2004, 02:17 AM

If you clicked upon this thread here at factnet because you have had something horrible happen to you, I hope you will find something here that will help. I really have been praying everyday for you. Not that I know your name or anything, but I know that kids get hurt and I know God really cares about you. I hope that you know that. I am guessing it might feel kinda lonely and you're maybe ****ed off and ready to tell me I am crazy.

Ok...I am crazy. But you won't make me say you're not important because you are. I think so. God thinks so. Lots of people think so. Your parents might not know or understand what you're dealing with, but they love you...really, they do. Maybe they just don't understand. They can't read your mind. And if you can't feel free to talk to them, it makes it hard for them to understand.

I guess it would be best if you would tell them, but if you can't there are others you can talk to that know how to help. Here's some phone numbers:

White Marsh # 410-983-4600
Lutherville # 410-515-3070

website: safeharbor1.com

I'll be praying that you call one of the numbers, or tell the police or someone you trust. If you don't tell, it won't stop.

I'll be praying for you...really. Every day.

Roberta

Roberta (141.154.144.33)

07-09-2004, 12:30 AM

Did you know this about Boundaries?

A boundary is defining your right NOT to to be analyzed, shamed, manipulated, lied to, or brainwashed. It is your right to say no and have that respected without having to give explanations or defend yourself. A psychological boundary is also crossed when people say one thing and do another.

Children who lived in families where their boundaries were routinely crossed often have difficulty establishing healthy boundaries in their adult relationships. Abuse of children is often accompanied with confusing statements. For example: "I'm being sexual with you because I love you." "I'm hitting you for your own good." Children try to cope with the mixed messages by saying to themselves, "something must be wrong with me", or "I'm bad and I deserve to be hit", or "I'd better be good or they will leave me."

Read more...
http://www.m-a-h.net/inkdroppings/te-boundaries.htm

Anonymous (209.6.151.215)

07-09-2004, 02:09 AM

Roberta: In the middle of all this madness, I just want to say how kind you are. You are so loving and willing to help those who have been wounded. I don't know you personally but I am proud to know that you are a sister in Christ.
Keep up the good work, the end of all this is near.

Anon B (205.188.117.20)

07-09-2004, 04:00 AM

Ditto.

Anonymous (64.12.117.20)

07-09-2004, 04:32 AM

The poetry and editorials on that web site listed were frightening and depressing. I hope that if someone is hurting, that isn't a place where they start.
One thing said on the site made sense. It said, "As the trend moves swiftly towards mental health care services being provided online, I would like to see one agency be responsible for tracking the credentials for all the practicing professionals. This would aid in consumers being able to discern who was actually licensed and who is not. Please see the Consumer's Guide to Online Mental Health Care page for an example of what can happen when someone isn't licensed."

Roberta (141.154.144.33)

07-09-2004, 04:44 AM

Hello Anon 64...here you are again!

Yes...sexual abuse is depressing and frightening. The kids know. They also know I am not here to tell them to be quiet, to tell them how to feel or to tell them what to do.

They know I want to help because I care.

They know I only have phone numbers of trained people who can help them. They also can tell when someone is trying to stop me from helping.

The kids are aware of the amount of resistance that has come against me here for doing this, and they understand what part of which Kingdom it comes from...don't be fooled. They know you don't approve of me, and they don't care. They just know I can give them a chance for help when they feel like there is nowhere to turn.

Discredit me all you like. The kids know what you are doing and why.

By the way...the site you hope they don't visit, two of them asked me to post here.

The kids know.

Anonymous (64.12.117.20)

07-09-2004, 04:59 AM

Here I am again? Again? I'm not sure what you are talking about. I am here with one of those kids who has been reading your posts. This kid I am with here calls me Dad. He had questions about the site. We had agreed to stop reading it, but he had questions and wanted to see what it was about. We thought the site you listed as a referral was odd as it offers no real help. No one discredited you. I said that the site was sad and depressing, especially if you are referring people to it who are already depressed. Nothing in that site told kids where to turn for help. You are right. Here I am again, trying to bring a little clarification to a kid who is reading your posts. We try to be pretty open with our kids. It is time to tell them to let it go and leave it to God.

Anonymous (69.242.21.100)

07-09-2004, 05:04 AM

the best step to recovery would be : ASK GOD for help , help to forgive ,to love to tame our tongue .repent, seek his direction ..Prayer ..look to his Word theres lots of good scripture to set us free

Anonymous (205.188.117.20)

07-09-2004, 05:06 AM

The "shut up and knuckle under" group is fairly well represented tonight.

Anonymous (64.12.117.20)

07-09-2004, 05:10 AM

Exactly 69.242.21.100. So tell me. What do we tell our 16 year old child when he turns to us and says, Why is this lady referring kids to a site that is nothing but poems about abuse with names like "Rape Words," and "Silent Scream" and "Rage Bleeds" etc. Why are they being referred to editorials on Multiple Personality Disorder and all the negative things that happen? Why aren't they being referred to places of healing? You are right that it is Jesus who sets us free. Let's start getting the referral right. As a parent this infuriates me.

Anonymous (205.188.117.20)

07-09-2004, 06:22 AM

You must have missed this, 64. It was post #4 on this thread -

Tuesday, July 06, 2004 - 02:49 am
-------------------------
This list is not intended to be an exhaustive list of crisis resources. Instead, it is meant as a starting point for you to explore.

Unless indicated otherwise, the following numbers
are for residents of the U.S.

RAINN: Rape, Abuse, and Incest National Network (USA) 1-800-656-HOPE)

Hopeline - 1-800-SUICIDE (1-800-784-2433) "THE HOPE LINE NETWORK 1-800-SUICIDE is not limited to use by depressed or suicidal callers. It is also a valuable resource for anyone concerned about someone who seems at risk, despondent, hopeless, or considering a self-destructive act."

SAMARITANS USA: http://www.mhnet.org/samaritans/

SAMARITANS UK/IRELAND: http://www.samaritans.org.uk/

Childhelp USA National Hotline: 1-800-422-4453

Covenant House Nineline is a 24-hour, toll-free crisis hotline which provides crisis intervention, referral and information services to homeless, runaway and other troubled youth and their families throughout the U.S. With a database of over 26,000 agencies, trained crisis counselors are able to refer callers to help in their own communities. Covenant House NINELINE 1-800-999-9999 TTY: 1-800-999-9915

Boy's Town (*Not* just for boys): 1-800-448-3000

Kids Help Phone (Canada/Bilingue): 1-800-668-6868

Tel-jeune (Canada/Bilingue): 1-800-263-2266

Suicidology.org - Click the button labelled "Crisis Centers"

Self-Help for Self-Injury by Anonymous: http://www.mindspring.com/~thefly/selfinjury.htm

Secret Shame (Self-Injurers): http://www.palace.net/~llama/psych/injury.html

Befrienders - Gateway to to 1,700 suicide and emotional helplines worldwide and on the Net

Childline (UK): 0800 1111 1111 - UK's free national helpline for children and young people in trouble or danger

Rape Crisis Federation (UK) 0115 934 8474

Secret Shame: http://www.palace.net/~llama/psych/injury.html

If you are in immediate danger, Call 911, your local crisis response line, or go to an Emergency Room

Roberta (141.154.144.33)

07-09-2004, 07:33 AM

The only problem will telling children to "tell it to God" is that they are being hurt by someone in an abusive cultic church. They can be confused about God and not teust anyone from the church...I cannot tell them what to do...I wouldn't tell them what to do, how to feel.

This thread was not put here for parents, or kids who don't need help. This assistance of phone numbers is for the kid who has been violated physically, emotionally AND spiritually.

All the info is here for them...they need to know someone cares, they need a place to turn if they can't say it out loud to mom and dad, they need to know someone believes them.

The kids are not stupid, they are not fooled by attempts to say rape by people of authority in and out of the church doesn't happen, they know people want this not to be spoken of...but I will always care, I will always give them hope by saying..."call these numbers...they can help you"

*********************************************

If you have been sexually abused and you are reading these words by others who can't understand your pain and fear, just tune them out if it is making you hurt. They just don't get it...but you know, maybe its good that their kid is ok and they don't understand why it's important that these numbers are posted here.

I know you know the numbers are here. If you can't call today, the numbers will be here tomorrow. And the next day, and the next day...and I will be here too.

I am praying everyday for you...I know we haven't met, you haven't emailed me or anything...but I know you're out there and God loves you even if you can't feel it right now....He won't let me stop praying for you. When you feel bad, remember lots of us here are praying for you.

I will always care no matter what...and most of the others here do to. There are some other people care, but just may not understand. It's okay if they can't you know...there's lots of stuff a lot of us don't understand.

Just remember...the numbers are here if you need them. And you are important. Call for help.

Roberta (141.154.144.33)

07-11-2004, 07:24 PM

I wrote this story a few years ago. If you think that Jesus doen't understand how you feel, or can't relate to your fear or situation, read my story? I believe he has the best empathy there is to get anywhere...maybe it's hard for you to understand right now. Read my story? See if it makes sense and give Him a try...he'll hold you close and protect your heart while you cry, and he'll give you the strength to dial the number to get help...read my story and see if it help you to see that he loves you...Roberta

*******

THE REAL ONE

I, in the company of much of the general population, have spent a year fraught with pain and troubles, death, debt and disappointment.The days have been long, and often the nights have been interminable. Through it all that proverbial "light at the end of the tunnel" has been a fable I have not believed in.

I have buried my mother, have been left standing at the altar, I have endured changes in those around me and have seen my physical self nearly wither away to nothing. Though I have survived, I have wearied ofmuch that the world holds dear. And I have lost faith in much of what I,too once held dear.

And now...comes Christmas.

Christmas: That season of jolly fat men, happy children and that nebulous "all-American, home grown Christmas spirit" that pervades the airwaves, and always makes me feel at odds with the world.

I wasn't sure I believed anymore in any specific, namable religion, though due to my Christian background, Jesus remains the most familiar of the "familar". I have learned much of the old stories and traditions about him...and still do not know what I believe. Somehow I think that if he really is who he claims to be...he's forgiven my well researched unbelief.

This year, I received a most wonderful gift. Today, from the heart of a badly misshapen child, I received what can only be termed....a miracle. The warmth and grace of that moment has rekindled within me a long forgotten memory...and has renewed within me a once held hope.

I held his hand, when he let me. He was ashamed of his nearly fingerless hands, and usually kept them out of sight while in public. For someone only six years old, he had already suffered much pain and humiliation. He had already learned to hide his differences, for the world prefers it. We were at the Mall...Christmas shopping. The stores were crowded, the tinny carols blared overhead. Children and harassed mommies and daddies were standing in line for the picture with Santa, and my companion was starry-eyed and silent.

This year the annual contest the mall owners held was that of a pagent of nativity scenes. On a series of display tables through the center of the building, contestants arrayed their shepherds, angels, wise men and mangers. Such a variety there was to be seen...crystal, plastic, wood, realistic as well as Impressionistic baby Jesuses...and Mama Mary? Black, white, brown, blond, brunette, dredlocked, redheaded
Virgin Marys.....daunting, and unappealing to say the least!

As unimpressed as I was with this strange "Creche Contest", my small charge was awestruck. He was barely breathing as he stopped before each tableaux before him. He stopped before each one...looking, studying each figure as if trying to memorize each feature.

"What are you looking for?" I asked him.

"For which one's the real one," he replied in all seriousness.

Careful not to chuckle, I gently squeezed his fragile hand, and allowed him to stop me every few feet so he could look for "The Real Jesus". It could do no harm. Let him be a child as long as he can, I thought. Let him believe as long as life's realities will let him. There will be enough disillusionments to come.

"I FOUND HIM!"

Shaking with excitement, he pulled me closer to the table he was leaning into.

"Look! It's really the real one!"

I followed his crooked finger, and found myself looking at a rather disfigured little baby Jesus,lying grotesquely on a beat up plastic manger. To say my little friend was excited would be a gross understatement.

"My dog chewed it," the little girl across the table whispered, with downcast eyes. "I should put it back in the box."

"Oh no!! Don't!! Don't !! He is the real one...he's like me!!"

The little girl stopped and, noticing his hands, passed the fingerless Jesus to him. He was so stunned I thought I might have to pick him up off the floor. He caressed the small plastic figure with his crooked fingers, and his little heart seemed so moved...so full. Lovingly and with great care, he kissed the baby, reached into the small rickety stable and placed the deformed Baby Jesus back in his chewed up
bed.

He stood there another moment, smiled at the little girl and turned away. He again began pulling at my hand...this time in earnest, as if on another great mission.

"Come on!"

"What are you doing?" I asked, seeing that he still was looking intently at each nativity scene on the tables."What are you looking for now?"

He stopped and turned to stand directly before me, crooking his one finger to say he had need to whisper to me. I knelt before him, and into my ear he said:

"We have to find the baby Jesus with no mommy....for you."

As I knelt there on that dirty mall floor, surrounded by a sea of noisy shoppers, I felt the touch of my Creator through the love in this little boy's heart.A warmth I thought was lost to me forever.

Never have I been given so much understanding, or such gentle care. It seemed that his need to find a god that he thought could identify with his need, led him to understand the needs of others.

Namely me.

The miracle this child wrought for me I hope will remain with me forever, and I hope it will touch you as well.

copyright R J Fernalld 2000-2004
reprint by permission only

Roberta (141.154.144.33)

07-12-2004, 09:46 AM

Remember....we are praying for you everyday!

Roberta (141.154.144.33)

07-13-2004, 05:10 AM

Good night kids... "God we beg you to bring the day closer that the kid's nightmare ends, that the violators of innocent children are exposed and that the kids hearts will be comforted that they are loved by all of us and by you Lord, we pray in Jesus' name...Amen"

Anonymous (198.81.26.106)

07-14-2004, 07:33 AM

So be it !

Anonymous (205.188.117.20)

07-14-2004, 07:41 AM

Amen and Amen!

Roberta (141.154.144.33)

07-15-2004, 03:08 AM

If I could...

If I could slay the dragon that roars
If I could make the night less ominous
If I could allay your fear
If I could give you peace of mind
If I could give you back your youth
If I could ease the pain that comes tomorrow
If I could scream the demons back to hell
If I could keep you safe from his evil
If I could make it all disappear
If I could open your parent's eyes
If I could stop that person from hurting you

If I could...I would. But I can't.
Thankfully God can...and will. I want to help.

Call for help? Email for numbers in your area of people who are dedicated day and night to help you out of this horrible hell on earth...they will do all they can to get you safe.

God loves you. I love you. Many people here on this board, in your church, at your school, in your town...love you. They just may not know you need help ...they need you to tell them.

Remember...no matter what is happening, God loves you and wants your pain to stop. Help Him help you...tell someone. Try?

Roberta

Roberta (141.154.144.33)

07-15-2004, 10:16 AM

I was praying for you all and a thought came to me. Have you had trouble wondering what you's actually say to someone on the other end of the phone if you called one of the help numbers? Figure you wouldn't knwhere to begin or what to say?

Well I am a writer and I have always kept a journal of my toughts...nothing lon usuall...but sometimes mypages fill up real fast. Try it? No one has to look at it but you and it might just help.

I was looking at the stars tonight and wrote this thinking about you... It's called

STARS

Blowing across the heavens above
is the remnant of time drawn
forth from the stars for all
generations past and future.

The present stars beyond sight are
simple lights that have already
died death's last tremble
knowing the manmind will forget

Stars... portents of many
grand moments and terrible disasters.
Alexander, Caesar, Ptolemies unnumbered
knew fated ends from falling stars.

Pompeii and Rome fell to the silence
of ancient countless stars and moons.
Can we not think magi too would
behold news in the canvas over them?

Too fantastic a thing that a single
purposed star might lead men of peace
to a lowly place for miracles?
Man must believe what is possible.

Is it impossible for the universe to
not see all through the Creator's
benevolent eyes, thus use its own
light to lead us home to creation?

Who can say not? Who can say?
What if time at the time needed signs
to convince a people prone to strife of
a new idea in a new language of love?

Who can say the stars could not lead
high and low to a trough for animals
where lay a new thought, a new peace
a new reality of grace unknown to all?

Unknown till then to all but...The Stars.

Love you guys...
Roberta

Roberta (141.154.144.33)

07-16-2004, 08:51 AM

Hi. It's very early in the morning and everyone is asleep...'cept me. That happens a lot. Sometimes its the only time I can really have only my own thoughts and can pray. Life is kinda too noisy sometimes.

For those of you who read this thread and have let me know you are glad its here, I just wanna say thanx. But more important is...tell someone about the phone numbers if you think they are being violated.

You know something that word "violated" is too easy to say. So I will be bolder...the word is raped. If you know somebody you even THINK is being raped...tell them the numbers. You could be doing a big thing in their lives.

I went outside a few minutes ago. It is warm, dark, quiet...I like to look at the stars this time of night. I didn't see a sky full like some nights, it was too cloudy...but the ones that broke through the cloudy patches were brilliant like glinting diamonds. That's how I think of you. ...beautiful stars. I heard myself talking to God about you...I asked him to give you His strength, His courage and His love in a huge dose. Let Him hold you while you look for help...He wants to...I want to, but He can. Let Him?

Call...get help...get back to yourself, come back to us...He'll help!

Roberta (141.154.144.33)

07-17-2004, 03:47 AM

More numbers to help you:

Sexual Assault Recovery Ctr.
2225 N. Charles St. 5th FL.
Baltimore MD 21218
410-366-7273 (RAPE)

Sex Offense Task Force
Baltimore MD 21202
410-396-5040

Sexual Assault Ctr.
9 W. Mulberry St.
Baltimore, MD 21201
Voice 410-837-7000
Hotline 410-828-6390

Sexual Assault/Domestic Violence
6229 N Charles St.
Baltimore, MD 21212-1130
410-377-8111

Prince George’s Co.Sexual Assault Ctr.
3001 Hospital Dr.
Cheverly, MD 20785
Office 410-341-2005
410-341-2942

Howard Co. Sexual Assault Ctr.
8950 Route 108, Ste 124
Columbia, MD 21045
410-997-3292
410-964-0504

Sexual Assault/ Spouse Abuse
Fork MD 21051
410-879-3486

Rape Crisis Intervention Service
224 N Center St.
Westminster MD 21157-5134
410-857-0900

Call, try to get yourself some help....please?

Roberta (141.154.144.33)

07-19-2004, 11:38 AM

Just a quick word in the quiet of the early moning. Sometimes things can looks awfully bleak in the semi darkness. I am watching and the scene outside looks gray....no color, lots of mist, few pwoplw stirring. If this was all I knew about it, I would be feeling kinda depressed.

The trick is remembering and believing that even though I can't see it, the sun is shining somehere beyond the mist.

I am praying that you think on that little thing today if your color is gray. Because the Son is shining out there for you too, even if you can't see and believing it feels impossible in the pain....

I love you.
Roberta

Roberta (141.154.144.33)

07-22-2004, 05:14 AM

I am thankful that there are so many resources for you...there was a time when no one knew wht to do, or say so no one said or did anything. it doesn't have to be that wau today. If you don't want to email me, the numbers are all tight here for you....remember

even if i don't know your name God knows...and I am praying for you....many many many of us here are praying for you.....

Anonymous (24.88.43.233)

07-22-2004, 08:40 PM

Self serving and lies arbitrated as excuses for your desire to destroy a ministry.

RJ (141.154.144.33)

07-24-2004, 06:39 PM

I am sorry kids, for the comment made by Anon 24. Sometimes people can be abusive with words like they are in other ways...you know what I mean.

I know that YOU know why I keep this thread going and that's all that matters. Hoping some of you were able to break through this week and make a call. I am praying that all of you will eventually. I know it is frightening, and that you are not strong sometimes. I'll be strong for both of us.

Wanted to let you know that you may not see me posting on the rest of the board much. Have decided I can't deal with the foolishness ...but I will be here for you. You can still email me, still use the numbers, and I'll be posting more info here for you as well.

Lookit, I won't forake you...I will always be here for you. I will continue to keep you and your safety in my prayers, and will pray that your strength will come to call for help.

I love you...more than I can say.

Roberta

Anonymous (24.88.32.43)

07-25-2004, 08:40 PM

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Anonymous (24.88.32.43)

07-25-2004, 09:15 PM

Keep on moving past the troll.

Roberta (141.154.144.33)

07-29-2004, 01:49 PM

Hey...it has been awhile since I posted on the thread, but I am glad to know that the phone numbers are helping. For the person who emailed about my health issues, don't worry...I have enough doctors and friends to help. Please do give these phone numbers out to your friends if you think they need them. No need for them to email me, just pass around the numbers, ok? And if you know of other good resources let them know those too?

I also wanted to say that sometimes people think that they shouldn't call or tell mom or dad if something happens that makes you feel hinky, you know, uncomfortable. But you should...cuz it is a violation of your person and personal space if someone touches you the wrong way or too much, says something too personal...all that stuff you really should tell you parents about. Nobody should be made to feel weird in situations like that.

And lookit...your parents may be hard to talk to sometimes, but they love you. They understand about this kind of stuff more than you might think. So if you tell them stuff and they get mad...think about this: maybe they're mad at the person who hurt you and not you. Parents get scared too, you know? I am sorry to have to break this to ya, but they are only people. They sometimes make mistakes, sometimes they act weird about stuff you tell them...but they care what happens to you, and if something bad happens they get mad, sad, and freaked like you do. It's ok if they do...it's cuz they love you.

Hey, I love you too. I'm praying that more kids may be safer now that we are getting the info out to them..so don't stop spreading the phone numbers around...it really helps.

Thanks...will post again soon.

Roberta

Anonymous (69.242.21.100)

07-29-2004, 02:46 PM

how can you teach except you be sent???
you don't even go to church yourself that makes you a hypocrite

rj (141.154.144.33)

07-29-2004, 02:55 PM

The kids know why I can't leave my house.

Anonymous (149.174.164.83)

07-29-2004, 03:03 PM

Roberta, you said, "For the person who emailed about my health issues, don't worry...I have enough doctors and friends to help."

If someone really emailed you to comment about your health issues, why post your response here. Why don't you just email them back directly. I mean you no harm, but I can't help but think that you are trying to put out little morsels here in an attempt to make people believe that you are getting all kinds of emails from people who have suffered abuse. Abuse is the most horrific thing I can think of, especially when it comes to a child. Another horror is false allegations about abuse. Why do you keep trying to create things about this thread. If there are truly people who are being abused, then report the abuse and let that person get referred for real help from people who are less concerned with drawing attention to what they do and their cause. You are drawing much more attention to yourself here, because you seem to want to say, hey look what I'm doing here. Is this really about you? Is this about something you suffered in the past? If so, is there someone here who could help you or refer you to someone that can help you deal with your past. You are loved Roberta but the more I read from what you post, the less I believe it to be true. If these issues are real, I'm sure you don't want to continue to damage that credibility.

Roberta (141.154.144.33)

07-29-2004, 04:51 PM

I posted my response here, because I do not engange in personal communuication with the people who email me. I send them the phone numbers to call. I do not counsel them, or chat with them in any way. I post here for them to read when they contact me with questions unrelated to their situation.

You are free to believe all the negative things you wish about me. I do not report the abuses, because the kids and adults do not tell me who it is they want to report. I don't want them to tell ME, for I cannot help them. I can only show them a way to GET help. I can do nothing but post here and enncourage kids and adults both to contact professionals.

God knows my motives and anyone else can pray for me if they think negatively about them.

Is this really about me? What a question. When you go soul winning or to the mission field is it all about you? If you had thought these things you could have emailed me privately...but no. Your comments are posted here for the potential kid or adult who might want help could now doubt me and my motives. No matter...it has been done before. The people who email me see what this is about.

Your estimation of my credibility or lack thereof, is your business and if you have questions about my little outreach you need to take to God.

Anonymous (205.188.117.20)

07-29-2004, 05:14 PM

If you don't talk to these people in emails then why do you post things like this.

Roberta 7/2/2004 2:55 p.m.
"So. I am offering you privacy and a safe place to talk. If you want to pour it out to someone who will weep and pray for you, email me. I can offer you my heart. I will NOT tell anyone your story without your permission. I will NOT speak of anything you say to another without your permission. Your privacy is as important to me as you are. I am not looking to use your pain to hurt GGWO, my focus is you and you only. That is my pledge before God."

You contradict yourself too many times.

Roberta (141.154.144.33)

07-29-2004, 09:03 PM

205

They do have a safe place to pour out themselves. I do not ask for, require or want the names of the people or persons involved with violating them. If they say it, it is unsubstantiated. I do not report what they do or don't say...it could be false. They never use real names....I do not answer them, unless it is to give them the numbers of a rape crisis center in their area.

I know you are anxious to find fault with me, to denounce my efforts. Why anyone would want to prevent people from seeking and finding help makes people wonder...however...if your God says that it isn't right to help people seeking assistance, I suggest you not try it.

Next accusation?

Anonymous (68.82.183.197)

07-31-2004, 02:42 PM

spend time praying today

RJ (141.154.144.33)

07-31-2004, 03:53 PM

Anon 68 has said something very important. I know some of you come here and read this thread almost every day. I too think that prayer is a really great idea about now. If you're part of GGWO I am sure you must be seeing the unrest and conflict going on. You probably have your own thoughts and feelings about all of it. Let me suggest something?

Try thinking about what God might want for the church? Sure He likely isn't happy about the strange stuff going on, but He may want very much to clean out the bad and restore the good. So, please try to pray for God's Will about the church? I know you may be confused and even angry, but God loves the people at GGWO...you know that, right? There are a LOT of good people there, they just might be confused about stuff right now is all.

Wherever the bad stuff comes from within the church, the good stuff is there too...so lets all pray that the people who need to get it together wiil ...God's will for the church is that it be healthy...leastways that's what I think. Some of you love GGWO like I did went I went to school in Lenox at TBS. Pray that things are worked out so that God's real will is done?

Have a good weekend you guys... praying will also make you feel better!

Love
Roberta

Roberta (141.154.144.33)

08-01-2004, 03:35 AM

I know you likely already know this song, but I though this was a good time to post the lyrics.

I Can Only Imagine
by Bart Millard
from "Almost There"

I can only imagine
What it will be like
When I walk by Your side
I can only imagine
What my eyes will see
When Your face is before me
I can only imagine

Surrounded by Your glory, what will my heart feel
Will I dance for you Jesus, or in awe of You be still
Will I stand in Your presence, or to my knees will I fall
Will I sing hallelujah, will I be able to speak at all
I can only imagine

I can only imagine
When that day comes
and I find myself standing in the Son
I can only imagine
When all I will do
Is forever, forever worship You
I can only imagine

repeat chorus
©1999 Simpleville Music (ASCAP)

Love you

Anonymous (69.242.21.100)

08-01-2004, 04:11 AM

hmm had to get the ok from roberta to pray ...

Roberta (141.154.144.33)

08-01-2004, 04:29 AM

Permission? Naw...just encouragement.

Roberta (141.154.144.33)

08-07-2004, 08:02 AM

I guess some of you may be hearing some of the stuff happening at GGWO and are maybe a little freaked out. It's never easy to have to grow up and see the troubles in the world. But...they are there whether we understand them, like them, can handle them or not. Look...maybe life has you in a rough place, or maybe you're just feeling numb...please, though remember this one thing?

" For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."

Romans 8:28

No matter what happens, God loves you and nothing can change that. Sometimes it's all we have to hold on to when the tempest is strong and we are afraid or bitter with anger.

If you haven't called for help...will you at least think about it?

All of us here hope you will so you can what it is you need. So try?

See you in my prayers.

Roberta (141.154.144.33)

08-18-2004, 09:18 AM

I WILL GIVE YOU REST

Matthew 11:28 - Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Sometimes it all just gets too loud, doesn't it?

"I am of Calvin, I am of Stevens, I am of..."

Hurricanes, medical problems, kids, doctrinal debates that become meaningless after awhile and on and on and on. There are times when everywhere you turn, it's a new argument, a new chaos, another debate, more decisions to make...until it becomes too much to deal with all at once.

"Lord, I just don't know what to think, what to believe, who to listen to, how to cope, what to do next..."

"Come..."

He says, "Come..." How exquisite the invitation. What a beautiful word. Remember when you were heatbroken as a child over a lost pet, or a friend who had moved away? You mother could see the pain as it inhabited your facial exporession, gave your body a heaviness of true sorrow. Remember how it felt when she'd say " Hey you....come here..." and she held out her arms? It was so good to be enfolded in her arms, your ear against her heartbeat. You knew she couldnn't change much of anything, but she sure loved you, and in her arms thngs were less painful.

"unto Me."

Finally! An anchor in the tornado force winds that swirl around you! Finally a direction, a specific place to turn! How wonderful, what a relief, and He calls us to Himself. He calls when no one else understands you're needy. He calls when no one else notices. He calls when the rest of your world is pointing the accusing finger, He calls when He sees tears forming in the heart...He calls. Sweetly, surely, compassionately and with love abounding...He calls.

"all ye"

Even me? You can't help but ask, at this point. Me? Me who can't make sense of almost anything these days? Me who keeps making one bad choice after another? Me who isn't sure what to do , how to love, when to quit, when to start, why I live, who I am anymore? Me?

"who are heavey laden"

The burdens are so interconnected it's like a network of wires all one color...where does one stop and another start?. A tangle of questions and unknowns...do I send my kids to the day school, can I believe anything I think my senses see at church, do I have a responsibility to my spouse that I am not fulfilling, what is going on, are my finances enough to feed my kids, why has mother nature assaulted my brother's family home and sent it out to sea, how can I help....

"and I will"

Not "maybe", not "if you do this I will", not "sacrifice unto to me and I will", not "understand every jot and tittle" and I will...just "I will".

"give"

Not sell? You will give freely? Yes...Like a fountain of unending source, like a deep well that never runs dry, like a desert rehabilitated by rain. He gives the stars the space to grow, the atom the mighty force of creation, the child the innocence and the unlovable love unbounding.

"you rest"

You...yes, you His child whom he cradles and cares for. Only He can give the rest that restores the spirit and mind and body. Upon Him can your burdens be lain and accepted without murmur for He is the creator who says.."I have made I will bear" He is no false idol that must be traipsed about a city born by litter bearers...He is the strength and gentleness of the giant heart of empathy...He not only can carry, but will carry and give to you His rest. His rest: that God so loved the world.

Come, child of God. Lay down the burden as one day you will a crown, at His feet. Collapse into his open arms, lie your head upon Him and hear the heartbeat of God. He will gently rock you until your fears and burdens are lifted and your trust in Him returns.

His love is everlasting, nothing can seperate you from it...so rest, you have need and He is willing.

RJ (151.203.163.174)

08-27-2004, 07:54 AM

The barren place...we all know it. It so often surrounds us with a taunting sneer, knowing that someday soon we will find ourselves there, confused, bitter, fearful and hungry.False teaching, works programs, those that demand your loyalty, preach strife and cause anxiety, the constant needs of everyday living that are so often so hard to come by all lead to the barren place. They feed you discomfort, judgement, guilt, fear and doubt and in no wise edify. It is a lonely place this barreness. Nothing good grows here but confusion and enmity.

Then with gentleness born from His own peace He draws us to Himself. Gentleness...ah...it feeds the soul just to contemplate the gentleness of God. Men lack this gentle approach for it may not be strong or manly enough to protect their hard earned lofty position. But God's power is so great that the gentleness with which He draws us to Him is the ultimate strength of he universe. How exquisite is this!

Then comes the comfort..he allowed our hunger in that barren place that he might feed us a better thing than human thought...He gives freely His manna of grace for which we can nourish ourselves. He gives and we can take freely. Art thou hungry, dear one? Come partake of the Lord's grace: His promise to keep you safe, to provide. No clear stream of water given by man, no matter how learned or proudly wise can compare with the limitless supply of Living Water that springs from His love.

Are you in a dark and barren place? Can you not see your way clear? Come, let The Lord gently draw you to Himself, let His manna fill your hope, let the Living Water slake the fearful thirst of the desert that becomes oasis beneath His hand. Let yourself listen to the Holy Spirit, that part of God that dwells in you as he gently draws you once more to He who alone who satisfies.

R J Fernalld

Anonymous (152.163.253.102)

08-27-2004, 08:22 PM

RJ you are such a freak. You slam and poke fun of everyone you can and then post here like you are oh so meek and mild. Do you think anyone buys your load of two faced crap.

RJ (151.203.163.174)

08-27-2004, 10:54 PM

Oh don't be silly. Just because I don't believe the wy you do doesn't make my walk with God less beautiful than yours...now go away and pick on someone else...shoo. *LOL*

Anonymous (205.188.117.20)

08-27-2004, 10:58 PM

"Shoo" Yes folks step right up to the ordained pastor. Shoo. Well, that's right shoo people away from the garbage you post.

RJ (151.203.163.174)

08-27-2004, 11:13 PM

This thread is not for you. Please leave it for the kids who are looking for help. There are many others that you can find to bash me. If you care at all about the kids who find this thread and look for the numbers to cvall, please take your problem with me someplace else? Thanks.

Anonymous (205.188.117.20)

08-27-2004, 11:17 PM

Remember RJ you aren't the FactNet police. Really this is your thread. This is your thread to start trouble, rumors, flaunt your hypocrisy, drive your knives a little deeper, the list goes on and on. If anyone out there is truly hurting for goodness sake DON'T LISTEN TO RJ. She is NOT about helping anyone. She is about trying to pull people away from Christianity. Get real help but not the links that RJ posts and not the hypocrisy that she spouts.

JF (66.90.181.249)

08-27-2004, 11:51 PM

I don't in any way endorse the actions of people who may want to prevent others from seeking help from the legitimate providers listed here.

I do particularly recommend Bob Pardon's work at NEIRR and his ministry to people who have been in cults.

There are plenty of other threads where RJs thoughts, doctrines and behaviors may be addressed. My suggestion is that you go to those threads, and leave this one and others like it to the purposes for which they were generated.

Anonymous (205.188.117.20)

08-28-2004, 12:00 AM

Links to Bob Pardon and others are good. There are also some bizarre links that she has mixed in that will cause much more harm then they ever will bring good. This is not about doctrine issues. This is about things she has listed on this thread.

Anonymous (64.12.117.20)

08-28-2004, 12:21 AM

To the following anons 152.163 at3:22p.m and 208.188 at 5:58 p.m, 6:17 and 7:00 p.m. (if you last 3 are the same or even if you are different people this is for you since you have the same ip numbers)

If you have a problem with Roberta take it to another thread. One can only think that since you are trying so hard to discourage people from reading this thread and from seeking help that YOU are abusers yourself. Why else would you be so diligent in your attacks? You are not showing anyone else anything but what YOU truly are. ABUSIVE PERSONALITIES DISGUISED AS CHRISTIANS. You talk about Roberta yet you have displayed the very attributes you accuse her of. Point the finger all you want but in the end it actually reveals YOUR hearts. Just look at what you are trying to do to this thread.

Take Jims advice and if you have a problem with Roberta go somewhere else. Leave this one alone. Show us you really AREN'T the ABUSERS we think you are.

Anonymous (205.188.117.20)

08-28-2004, 12:45 AM

Oh don't be ridiculous with your false allegations.

Here are examples of two of RJs links that are disturbing to me.

http://www.palace.net/~llama/psych/injury.html

The above is all on self-injury. On the surface it might look okay. To some it might look like a site that maybe someone can identify themselves with and get help. But read a little deeper. There is no line for help. Instead, it tells people how to cover up their self-mutilation. It tells people how to make excuses when others ask them where the scars come from. It even gives a list of one-liners to use. It "reassures" the person that if self-injury is where they are it is okay. One part tells them that deciding to stop self injury is a personal decision and it might take a long time before someone is ready to make that decision. Gives you a checklist to decide if you are or aren't ready to stop. The list goes on and on.

Have you ever worked with a cutter RJ? Have you ever seen the kind of real destruction that it can do? Have you ever seen that some might actually die before they decide that they are ready to stop on their own? Of course no one can make them get help. It is everyone's personal decision but neither do you give them ways to cover when they want to continue.

There is also a note on that site that explains that self-injury does not mean that you were abused. It usually means you never learned positive ways to deal with your feelings. So if it doesn't always mean abused RJ why post it?

Some cutters have little time to waste RJ.

Here is also a big word of Caution written in bold red letters from a linked organization about self-injury. I took this quote right from a link to this site:
"CAUTION: Some pages on SIARI contain material that may be "triggering" and unsuitable for children."

So RJ are you ready to take responsibility for anyone who is triggered to self-injure themselves when browsing this site?

Here is another site.
http://www.m-a-h.net/inkdroppings/te-boundaries.htm

Click on the poetry link for the web mistress. Some of those are enough to push an injured person right over the edge. Titles like,
Crucifixion, Rape Words, Scratch the Itch, Born Not of Love, etc. Here again, if someone is on edge, this gives them no place to turn. Instead, it can drive them deeper into depression. Poetry can be healing, but this does not lead anyone to healing. If they come here depressed and in need of 911 and read some of this stuff it could very well push them over the edge.

The site originated by someone who survived her abuse by developing Multiple Personality Disorder. That isn't anything against her, but is that real hope for someone feeling hopeless. RJ why don't you refer them to another site that directs them to Jesus and a way to recover WITHOUT developing MPD. Even the web mistress posts a link of caution of the dangers that can come from unskilled and unlicensed people giving advice.

Anonymous (151.203.163.174)

08-28-2004, 04:36 AM

Anonymous (64.12.117.20)
Friday, August 27, 2004 - 11:15 pm
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Roberta, here is the disclaimer taken from the poetry site that you posted. I took it exactly as written. How about look at the third and fourth sentences in particular.

"By it's very nature poetry is a private expression of emotions, particularly for abuse survivors. Please make sure you are in a good place before reading the poetry located on this domain. Some of the poetry is very triggering. There are no trigger warnings on any of the poems so this is the only notice you will be given. Make sure you are in a good place mentally before reading it. Thank you."

The problem is that you are so proud that you can't take responsibility for anything you do without twisting it and turning it around on others. You posted those links on a public forum. I posted my response on the same forum. I do not feel the need to put my head together with you because I do not agree with you on where you stand.

Your excuse of not posting anything Christian because these kids have been assaulted by pastors or religious doesn't hold water with me either. You could have avoided this by taking the time to read what you post links to before you post them.

I posted to the other thread because it pertains to the other thread and I stand by what I posted 100%.

I don't believe you when you say you posted those because a child told you to. I think you are a liar. But even if you did get the referral from someone, then you could have reviewed it and talked to that person about why it would be inappropriate. For example, on the SI site there is a section that gives people step by step instructions of how to injure themselves if they just can't resist the urge. Then they tell you how to cover the marks so no one can see.

Here is some harsh reality for you Roberta. THAT IS NOT HEALTHY FOR YOUNG PEOPLE. And whether you like it or not, Jesus does not want them to mutilate themselves. If people are abused by pastors, then there is still healing resources from within the Christian faith.

I don't particularly care how you try to turn this around. I've worked with far too many young people to have you use them in this way. It is garbage! I hope they will think twice and then think again before taking counsel from you.

You bet I'm angry. I'm angry because, if there are kids who have been hurt, I want these kids to know that there are people who care for them for no other reason that they are in pain. They are cared about not to discredit or expose someone within GGWO. They are cared about for the pain they are in and there are qualified people to help them.

Anonymous (64.12.117.20)
Friday, August 27, 2004 - 11:17 pm
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Once again RJ, I hope you will swallow your pride long enough to tell these kids that self injury is not the answer!!!!!

Roberta (151.203.163.174)

08-28-2004, 04:48 AM

OPEN MESSAGE TO KIDS LOOKING FOR HELP.

I have come under fire as you can see for not posting what is considered proper material for you. I am sorry if I have hurt anyone of you, and ask your forgiveness. My heart was to help, and I think those who have contacted me have known this. I am not in any way a perfect human being and if I have erred, I can only ask forgiveness for both you and God.

Because to remain would cause more strife, I am not going to post anymore to this thread. Anon 205 will be posting her email if she chooses to help you. She has taken offense at my attempts to help and I have tried to explain to her that I would have changed any link she might have thought inappropriate, but she believes me to be a liar. I am not, but she has a right to believe what she believes.

I really don't want to cause any more friction. My email is still here if you want to contact me. I am sure Anon 205 has a lot of advice to give. The contact numbers are still here if you need them. Please call them? For even though I will no longer be posting I will always be praying for you and I will always care...always.
I love you all more than I can say.

Roberta

Anonymous (64.12.117.20)

08-28-2004, 04:55 AM

Roberta, where do you stand on self injury? If you have bonded with kids who are in a crisis situation, it is important for you to let them know where you stand on it.

If they have trusted you and looked to you for that support and advice then they need to know where you stand on this because it was the key issue to that link.

Anonymous (149.174.164.83)

08-28-2004, 05:44 AM

64, you have a limited scope AND depth of knowledge on this issue. Your sophomoric attitude regarding this topic is more dangerous than anything that I have seen written by Roberta. There is not ONE site on the web regarding SI that does not have a disclaimer referencing triggering.

"Self-injury is a maladaptive coping mechanism, a way to stay alive. People who inflict physical harm on themselves are often doing it in an attempt to maintain psychological integrity -- it's a way to keep from killing themselves. They release unbearable feelings and pressures through self-harm, and that eases their urge toward suicide. And, although some people who self-injure do later attempt suicide, they almost always use a method different from their preferred method of self-harm." Focus Adolescent Services

http://www.focusas.com/SelfInjury.html

This is a LOCAL resource for those from Maryland.

My disclaimer – I do not endorse this site. It was locate by web search. I have not scrutinized every character on every page; therefore, have not assessed the content in its entirety.

It is doubtful that it will be acceptable to you, 64, since it is a secular group.

But wait, here is a site that you might find acceptable –

Lysamena Project on Self-Injury: Christian Self Injury Resources
http://www.self-injury.org/index.html

Funny thing, they indicate that the best source for information on the web is the Secret Shame site. Yes, that would be one of the two sites posted that you judged to be offensive.

64, your actions are transparent and motives reprehensible.

Anonymous (205.188.117.20)

08-28-2004, 05:58 AM

Saturday, August 28, 2004 - 12:37 am And no I don't accept your sites. I prefer to accept the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry.

Regarding your other references,I don't particularly care who refers them to or endorses the site. The site is wrong. I have worked with SI kids and sat with them to keep them from mutilating. As the AACAP states, if a someone feels they are at risk to self-injure themselves they should seek immediate help. And just because an organization claims to be Christian, doesn't make it so, hence the whole reason that FactNet was founded. You must look carefully at all sites being posted.

Again, the fact that Roberta can't speak out about self-injury, and encourage young people to get the help that is so very available to them speaks volumes about her motivation.

Anonymous (209.103.235.184)

08-28-2004, 06:46 AM

205, Bite Me. You're way out of line and if you quit throwing your weight around and looked around you for about 2 seconds, you'd realize it. Your philosophy and opinions are not required reading for the rest of the world, and it was rude of you to push your way into this tread and hijack it. You have no credibility and you're a bore.

Outta here

Anonymous (209.163.119.150)

08-28-2004, 07:44 AM

hey 209, outta here...

Grab a cold one dude, and chill... "Rise to the occasion" to quote the michelobe lite commercial and Owen whatever his name is. People are just trying to help people here....

to quote sheryl crow, I'm going to soak up the sun, while it's still free!

cleo (151.203.163.174)

08-28-2004, 11:29 AM

Anonymous (64.12.117.20) (205.188.117.20)
Wednesday, June 30, 2004 - 01:09 pm
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RJ you are a dangerous person who is out to destroy all for her own gain. That gain is the destruction of GG. Don't try to say you aren't bitter because you are. Now you try to guilt parents by almost accusing them of condoning abuse of children. How dare you even insinuate that any parent would turn away from their child if they called for them and told them they were being abused. You make allegation after allegation with no fact in this area. If there is any who are being sexually and physically abused you drive them more underground by your constant berrating here. Don't you have any heart? Please don't say you have a heart for victims of abuse because clearly you don't.

Anonymous (151.203.154.159)
Wednesday, June 30, 2004 - 01:30 pm
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64.12.177.20 (205.188.117.20)

me thinks thou doth protest too much.

what are you hiding?

Anonymous (152.163.253.102)
Wednesday, June 30, 2004 - 01:31 pm
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To whom is Roberta a danger? You? The leadership of GG?

Either you lack discernment or you have been sent to factnet on a search and destroy mission.

We are all able to read her posts here and dangerous she is not.

Her strength and compassion for others is apparent to all not under the mind control of another. You doth protest too much 64.

Anonymous (216.183.184.253)
Wednesday, June 30, 2004 - 07:06 pm
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64.12.177.20 (205.188.117.20)
is clearly afraid of Roberta.