Pastor TJ Hassler

[Anonymous (151.196.62.114)]

Why has Pastor T.j. Hassler gotten off so easy when everyone is jumping on Pastor Paul for his affair?
Pastor T.J. did it in his office with a secretary!!!
Now he is the worship leader at GGWO.

[Anonymous (4.156.99.226)]

He is also the principal of the Greater Grace Christian Academy Annex. Don't you KNOW??? It's called "covering." I have just been waiting for his name to come up on this board. I am surprised it took this long.

[Anonymous (69.139.235.185)]

He is also very condemning of Pastor Paul Stevens for what HE did.

[Anonymous (68.33.65.121)]

The person that started this thread AND the people that FEED on this kind of garbage are ABSOLUTLEY possesed by one or more demons !!!!!
How can anyone even sleep at night KNOWING that they are DEFAMING God's children ?

[(63.27.93.232)]

Are you an exorsist? Cool!

[Anonymous (4.155.36.29)]

That office secretary wasn't the only one that Pastor TJ slept with. He has an affinity for black women, the younger the better. Rumor has it he went after "Tina" that not only rented from him but she taught with him at the Annex School. The class trip to the amusement park he was all over her, hiding behind "rides" and the Annex students saw it and really had a major hard time with it. Nervy too because his wife was on that class trip!! Don't take my word for it, I am just a "pew" sitter thanks to Dr. Lewis. Just ask Lynn Wells about it, she got "fired" from there not long after exposing the "affair" to Pastor Robinson who swept it under the rug as usual.

Shame on him for condemning Paul Stevens. He's another GGWO snake in the grass himself, a hypocrite and one definately who is the pot calling the kettle black!!

Wonder which elder's butt he's under that he gets away with such ****.

[Anonymous (70.16.13.71)]

Are these things really true? How do you know it? Doesn't anyone report it?

[Anonymous (4.156.99.167)]

Report it, 70? To WHOM???

Apparently you don't GET it yet, do you?

It is true, what you are reading here. Not only that, there's more that has not been said. Didn't you notice the disappearance of Hassler around Christmas last year? Just like so many others just vanish with nothing being said.

If you are a pastor and sleep with a woman other than your wife, you will be "covered" and sent away. If you "report it", as you say, everyone will be told lies about you and totally destroy your name and your character.

Tina also disappeared and I hope and pray that she left GG never looks back. I think of her often and pray she is ok. I know that the Annex school has lost most of its inner city population. Wonder if the indiscretions of the principal have anything to do with that.

[Anonymous (63.27.95.89)]

He's gross and troll like! Can't imagine wanting to have sex with the likes of HIM! YUCK!

Oh, baby let me run my fingers through you ONE hair!

[Anonymous (63.27.95.89)]

Typo...Oh, baby let me run my fingers through YOUR one hair!

[Anonymous (155.188.191.4)]

ALL YOU BASTARDS ON THIS FACTNET ARE LONLEY, SICK INDIVIDUALS !!!!!!! PASTOR TJ IS A GREAT HUSBAND, DAD AND SHEPHERD. I'VE KNOWN HIM FOR OVER 20 YEARS. ANYONE WITHOUT SIN ON THIS FACTNET CAST THE FIRST STONE.

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

He is NOT a great husband, he is an adulterous husband. He is NOT a great shepherd, he is a not a shepherd at all. He doesn't fit the criteria of a servant/pastor but he does fit the bill well as a current Baltimore/GGWO pastor.

[(63.27.12.198)]

Hey 155, does that go for the "second stone" too?

[Anonymous (63.27.12.198)]

155, if you're SO against Factnet; what are you doing reading this **** anyway?

[Anonymous (4.156.99.147)]

I am neither lonely nor sick, 155. I have simply discovered the truth regarding the likes of Hassler and so many other so called shepherds and coverings at GGWO.

I think that it is sick to ignore the truth, to cover up and lie about adultery, to continue on in a worship leader and principal position where so many TRUST and look up to you, and to call yourself a covering for young, sincere,dedicated people who work for you.

Now THAT is sick.

My problem with TJ Hassler is VERY personal.

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

who is this TJ hooker anyway

[RJ (151.203.157.69)]

Are his wife and children still with him? I knew her in Lenox.

I'll be praying for her and the kids.

[Anonymous (141.157.79.108)]

4.156 I understand your anger but are you handling this Biblically? Did you go to him alone? If he did not respond did you take an actual witness? Were you a witness or is it just something you heard? Are you the injured party?

What you have done here is slander or gossip and doesn't honor God. Are we here to honor God or simply to slander and gossip?

Aren't we here to correct situations Biblically? Whether TJ did this or not now is not the issue because what you have done with this gossip is simply taken his judgement on yourself.

We would be wiser not to slander or gossip thus allowing God to chasten His children His way without our interference in bringing their judgement on ourselves.

Just a thought.

[Anonymous (141.157.79.108)]

By the way I am one who left Baltimore GG in case you are wondering.

[Anonymous (152.163.101.13)]

"Whether TJ did this or not now is not the issue because what you have done with this gossip is simply taken his judgement on yourself"

This is another one of the false doctrines taught by P.Stevens to keep sin covered. It is not true that someone else's judgement comes off them and on to you, if you judge them mentally! There is such a thing as judging with righteous judgement, we have to discern and to call sin for what it is. Every person will be judged by God for their own sins and it will not be taken away just because someone speaks of it and exposes them! That is ridiculous and is not what the bible teaches

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

141, Yes 4.156 has handled it bibically. 4.156 did not start this thread but it obviously impacted the poster in a personal way. There is absolutely no way at this point that any leader, such as T.J. can be touched. T.J. was brought back from exile to push Paul out the door. 4.156 was relating what everyone on staff knew had occurred, more than once, with T.J. Many of us have left GG but many of us have family still involved. They are bible students or staff that work in the schools. What if one of your family members remained and you knew they were under the covering of these men, would it not be personal? And what could you possibly do about it? This is an evil system, this is an abusive system and the abuse is still practiced every single day. what would you do if someone you loved was clueless? What would you do if your loved one would cut you out of their life forever if you spoke evil? this is what many of us that have recently left are facing. We need your prayers not your rebuke. I know that T.J. returned after many of us left and there is nothing we can do about it but warn.

[Anonymous (141.157.79.108)]

152 CHAPTER AND VERSE PLEASE This is not GG doctrine, this is Bible. I am not defending anyone just sharing the Word of God. And I would like a chapter and verse from the Bible to justify your post.

1 John 5:16 "If anyone sees his brother [believer] committing a sin that does not [lead to] death (the extinguishing of life), he will pray and [God] will give him life..."

James 4:11 "My brethren, do not speak evil about or accuse one another. He that maligns a brother or judges his brother is maligning and criticizing the Law and judging the Law. But if you judge the Law, you are not a practicer of the Law but a censor and judge [of it]."

Matthew 18:15 "If your brother wrongs you, go and show him his fault, between you and him privately. If he listens to you, you have won back your brother.
16But if he does not listen, take along with you one or two others, so that every word may be confirmed and upheld by the testimony of two or three witnesses.17If he pays no attention to them [refusing to listen and obey], tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a pagan and a tax collector."

[Anonymous (152.163.101.13)]

None of those verses teach that judgement jumps off another person and comes on to you!

We are not to judge hypocritically, but there is such a thing as righteous judgement. Otherwise everybody could do whatever they wanted and no one could say a word about it. What a convenient doctrine for GGWO leaders!

"But he that is spiritual judgeth all things"
I Cor 2:15

[Anonymous (141.157.79.108)]

Yes it does say that but I am waiting for a verse that says announce it to the world.

[Anonymous (141.157.79.108)]

Matthew 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

Matthew 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

Luke 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned:
forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

John 7:24 Be honest in your judgment and do not decide at a glance (superficially and by appearances); but judge fairly and righteously.

John 8:15 You [set yourselves up to] judge according to the flesh (by what you see). [You condemn by external, human standards.] I do not [set Myself up to] judge or condemn or sentence anyone.

Romans 8:33 Who shall bring any charge against God's elect [when it is] God Who justifies [that is, Who puts us in right relation to Himself? Who shall come forward and accuse or impeach those whom God has chosen? Will God, Who acquits us?]

I can find more if you wish.

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

141, You will have to take my word for it. I said IT was handled biblically and you don't know what IT is and I refuse to go into IT here.

You presume too much concerning IT. IT would seem you have a personal issue also, but again, I would am presuming. So write all the verses you want but IT will not change in the slightest the behavior of current leaders, including T.J.

[Anonymous (209.6.151.215)]

141 You are quoting verses that apply to believers. I refuse to believe that anyone who can act the way these men have acted can call themselves believers in Jesus.
These are people who have pushed the envelope to the very edge and then over. They are no different than any of the tyrants in history who have had legions of armies to cover their tracks.
How many more people's lives need to be exposed as destroyed before you realize the truth about this organization.
I have no doubt there are good and decent pastors in the midst of all this madness. But the damage is done and the mindset of what they have been taught is inbedded in their teachings. There needs to be a clean sweep and then if it is the WILL OF GOD the TRUE WORD OF GOD can be preached from the pulpit.
This is a travisty to all Christians and a deterrent to our work to bring people to Christ.
It is organizations like this that make our mission in life hard. And for that my heart breaks. I pray for the good and God loving Christians in this church. It makes me sick to think that they are being fed and led and wed to this madness.

[RJ (151.203.157.69)]

Anon 209...very well said, and sadly all too true.

[Anonymous (141.157.79.108)]

I am very much disappointed in leadership at GG and have also left but we are all sinners and we ought not cast the first stone. Pastors in many churches around the world of all denominations have fallen into sin.

My only question is to the one who started this thread.. Did you go to him alone? Were you there? Are you the one he had the affair with? You just can't say things about people without handling it Biblically and absolutely knowing it to be fact.

If indeed you can attest to this then possibly that is different but the Bible says to handle these things within the universal Body of Christ and not to announce it the world

We have no right to judge if anyone is saved. If they believe in their heart and confess with their mouth and fall into sin, well if one of you can tell me you don't sin on a daily basis and have to go to the Cross then I will never open my mouth again.

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Martin L. can tell you that. Does that count?

[Anonymous (63.27.17.76)]

"Whether TJ did this or not now is not the issue because what you have done with this gossip is simply taken his judgement on yourself.

We would be wiser not to slander or gossip thus allowing God to chasten His children His way without our interference in bringing their judgement on ourselves."

This "doctrine" is NOT biblical! Show me WHERE in the Bible it says another will take on the person's judgement for speaking about it; particularly if it is the truth! No, this is GGWO ease and it is only used to manipulate people into keeping their yaps shut!

[Anonymous (141.157.79.108)]

Matthew 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

Matthew 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

Luke 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned:
forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

John 7:24 Be honest in your judgment and do not decide at a glance (superficially and by appearances); but judge fairly and righteously.

John 8:15 You [set yourselves up to] judge according to the flesh (by what you see). [You condemn by external, human standards.] I do not [set Myself up to] judge or condemn or sentence anyone.

Romans 8:33 Who shall bring any charge against God's elect [when it is] God Who justifies [that is, Who puts us in right relation to Himself? Who shall come forward and accuse or impeach those whom God has chosen? Will God, Who acquits us?]

[Anonymous (141.157.79.108)]

It is God's privelege only to punish His own, not ours.

Hebrews 12:3Just think of Him Who endured from sinners such grievous opposition and bitter hostility against Himself [reckon up and consider it all in comparison with your trials], so that you may not grow weary or exhausted, losing heart and relaxing and fainting in your minds.4You have not yet struggled and fought agonizingly against sin, nor have you yet resisted and withstood to the point of pouring out your [own] blood.5And have you [completely] forgotten the divine word of appeal and encouragement in which you are reasoned with and addressed as sons? My son, do not think lightly or scorn to submit to the correction and discipline of the Lord, nor lose courage and give up and faint when you are reproved or corrected by Him;
6For the Lord corrects and disciplines everyone whom He loves, and He punishes, even scourges, every son whom He accepts and welcomes to His heart and cherishes.7You must submit to and endure [correction] for discipline; God is dealing with you as with sons. For what son is there whom his father does not [thus] train and correct and discipline?8Now if you are exempt from correction and left without discipline in which all [of God's children] share, then you are illegitimate offspring and not true sons [at all].

[Anonymous (4.155.51.216)]

Look, "141" your pastor said that God was going to purge the church 3 years ago. Well, guess what. He's using his people to expose truths about what goes on behind the scenes. It doesn't matter what you write scripturally the bottom line is that the sin was exposed. Its not the first case of adultery with GGWO leadership that was shoved under the rug and buried.

Face it, the boys are getting caught with their zippers down and it ain't with their wives. Should these men be leading worship, being the head over a school, or leading an outreach? I think NOT. I wouldn't want my daughter under their "covering" after what was said about Pastor TJ -- and by the way, it was true, and TJ was confronted. So don't go preaching your bible verses and act holier than thou to cover the sins of these men.

God obviously wanted it posted hon or the post button on the person's pc would have jammed.

I am sorry if you don't like what I wrote but I don't write on here to kiss anyone's ass or to cover up adultery.

[Anonymous (141.157.79.108)]

He is not my pastor. I too have left. I want the truth spoken to the congregants there and to us, I only said that we shouldn't say things we have no physical proof of. I asked the starter of this thread if he or she was there and how did they know for sure. I asked if they went to TJ alone. I asked if witnesses were brought in. That is all I said.

I want what God wan ts to expose as much as anyone, But for us to have credibility on the outside we must post what we know is fact and present proof.

On other threads proof was established concerning wrong doing. You must have proof or Factnet will not be considered credible and we have come too far now to let people destroy it with trolling, lies, or wrong information. There are legal issues involved also when you post like that.

Read the Main Page of Factnet and keep this to issues we have proof of so that others will hear and believe us and get out of GG.

[Anonymous (141.157.79.108)]

And I agree with you. If indeed this is true I would not want my children near him or him leading a worship service either. I am not on his side. I am just saying have proof for credibility's sake

[Anonymous (4.155.51.216)]

ok 141, are you Maria T??????????

You post just like she does.

[Anonymous (141.157.97.185)]

no i'm not

[Anonymous (141.157.97.185)]

is it because I post Scripture? Isn't Jesus what our lives are all about?

[Anonymous (4.155.51.216)]

No you sound as opinionated as she does thats all.
She used to post scriptures too in defense of Carl and the minions. Yeah, Jesus is what our lives are all about but people at GGWO have confused Jesus with Carl.

[Anonymous (141.157.97.185)]

I am in no way defending them hun. I am saying in order for us who want this organization stopped, must be sure what we post is factual and Biblical or we are fighting God. We want to be credible to the outside community and post in a way that shows facts and makes us not look vindictive and slandering.

I want an end to GG in Baltimore as it is now as much as anyone. I have many friends there and almost lost my family because of it. Those weren't opinions, they were statements and Scripture. nothing more. sorry if you misunderstood. I tried to make it a clear as possible.

[Bob Brinton (70.17.128.228)]

When Paul openly rebuked Peter for going and hanging with the Jews when they showed up, was he judging? What about when he wrote in the Bible about the guy in Corinth who was sleeping with his stepmother? Didn't he tell the Corinthians they should judge matters such as that? Same-same.

[Anonymous (4.156.99.213)]

All right., Bob! I was just thinking of those verses and was going to get my Bible, but you beat me to it!

Paul rebuked Peter to his face and in front of everyone!! Apparently Paul was not familiar with the doctrine of "covering a leader's sin." I don't see Paul going to Peter alone, and then taking witnesses. No, the sin affected everyone, everyone knew about it, so it was dealt with in front of everyone.

Paul wrote in a letter FOR ALL TO READ about the man in Corinth committing adultery with his father's wife. Why didn't he cover the man's sin? Did Paul go to the man alone and bring witnesses? The sin affected the church, everyone knew about it, so Paul dealt with it in front of everyone. I guess Paul was not familiar with Mt. 18, and all those other verses.

I guess Paul missed out, seeing as he was not in the ministry. After all, the GGWO chosen are so "well taught."

And speaking of Mt. 18, just a couple of things to consider:
First of all, after going to the person alone, taking witnesses means you are going to have to talk to people to find out who the witnesses are. RIGHT? Since GG doctrine teaches that listening to or talking about anything negative is evil (especially about leadership) then tell me please, how is someone supposed to locate the witnesses that Jesus spoke of?

Secondly, please tell me how to "take it to the church" at GGWO. We can't very well stand up at a church service and make an announcement, now, can we? Oh, let's go to the elders. Now there's a great idea. Let's get slandered, maligned, lied about, let's risk having our marriages destroyed, our families broken apart....am I making my point here?

FactNet is a way that God has provided for us to take these issues before the church. I truly believe that and I thank God for it.

[Anonymous (152.163.101.13)]

I found this on the Invision Forum. It addresses issues on this thread. We have the habitual practice of spiritual/sexual abuse in GGWO. It continues because of the errant teachings of keeping silent. Members and ex-members of TBS/GGWO must untwist these teachings and have a healthy understanding of what the scriptures teach and deal with these serious abuses in the light!



Fighting Fire with Fire
The institutional abuse experienced by CLERGY SEXUAL ABUSE survivors reflects what I call "DIM thinking" (Denial, Ignorance, and Minimization). It must be combated with deeper spiritual truths. Sadly, the distortions coming from "spiritual" leaders are often filled with abusive theology. As a result, a potential source of comfort for Christian survivors may be turned into a weapon.

DIM THINKING "All have sinned--the perpetrator is no different from anyone else. There for the grace of God go you and I!"

DEEPER TRUTH It leaves a strong suggestion that the perpetrator had little or no choice, therefore should bear minimal consequences for his behavior. Ironically, these same people tend to conveniently ignore scriptural qualifications for church leadership, found in I Timothy 3.
They also ignore a Biblical warning to abusers: "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea." Matthew 18:6. ("Little ones" refers not just to children, but to all the vulnerable.)
Leaders should be reminded that CSA is a violation of "the temple of the Holy Spirit" by a person who holds the greatest responsibility for maintaining sanctuaries.

DIM THINKING "It's time you forgive and forget. We're all tired of hearing about this." (usually offered as resistance to being empathetic or to working for justice and safety)

DEEPER TRUTH Forgiveness is not the real issue. Its prerequisite is justice. The faith community is responsible for helping to bear the burdens of the offended, joining them in grief and outrage, for as long as it takes. (Galatians 6:2, 9-10) Extending gratitude to the courageous survivor would be a welcome surprise!

DIM THINKING "You are trying to destroy our church with your 'gossip.' How dare you go to the press! Besides you know it's wrong to sue your brother (or the denomination). You shouldn't be asking for God's money."

DEEPER TRUTH Read I Corinthians 5. St. Paul called for community action for the good of the congregation in a case of sexual perversion. Lawsuits come because of displaced loyalty to the institution and its leaders. Sadly, it has taken the threat of law suits to bring about what changes we have seen in denominational responses.
Among the invalid excuses for maintaining secrecy is the insistence that God's work will be hurt. Nonsense--it already has been! Secrecy has to go.
"How things look and what others think becomes more important than what's real," write David Johnson and Jeff VanVonderen in The Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse (Minneapolis: Bethany House Publishers, 1991).

DIM THINKING "We must maintain confidentiality!"

DEEPER TRUTH Confidentiality is a buzzword, often confused with secrecy. The first is to protect the vulnerable. The second maintains the status quo, allowing destructive people to be protected from exposure.

DIM THINKING "How can you throw stones?"

DEEPER TRUTH Survivors are not throwing stones. Stoning not only disempowered a wrong-doer. It ended life. Jesus' famous statement, "He that is without sin, let him cast the first stone," was made after a woman was caught in adultery. As far as we know, it involved no abuse until a crowd of men wanted to stone her, apparently allowing her partner to go free! (John 8:3-ll) Jesus' best example for dealing with power abusers came when he threw them out of the temple. (Mark 11:15-18)

DIM THINKING "You are as much to blame as anybody. Why didn't you tell him 'No?' If you were so upset, you would have come to us earlier? What do you want us to do anyway? That was so long ago."

DEEPER TRUTH Such thinking assumes "consent" on the part of the victim, ignoring power differentials. The on-going trauma comes from the larger faith community. Since there is little respite within the system, the survivor is in an excruciating double-bind--either accept what they say and feel guilty or turn to strangers.

DIM THINKING "God has a purpose in all of this. The Bible says 'all things work together for good.' This will too. Just trust the rest of us in leadership. God is leading."

DEEPER TRUTH Blaming God for DIM thinking is ridiculous. Stone-walling gives power to evil. Why should any survivor trust those in power? Using Romans 8:28 (the verse referred to above) is a cop-out for cowards if taken at face value. Try combining it with another I Corinthians 3:9 One of my greatest personal breakthroughs came when I recalled another verse, "We are laborers together with God." (I Corinthians 3:9)

Whether or not others do anything to bring good out of evil, the survivor must be assured that she or he has the capacity to do so independent of the closed, abusive system they once respected.


Dee Ann Miller, RN, BS

[Anonymous (69.143.65.142)]

I heard about this website from a former GG member. About 10 years ago thorough a friend @ GG I got saved and never felt welcomed there. I was lied about almost immediately, and saw so many people get hurt. I cannot believe 10 years later how out of control you all are. It really makes me sad for Christ to see His children act this way. I'm so glad He pulled me away from GG shortly after I got saved. I hope you all survive this ugly ride.

So So Sad

[Anonymous (68.253.192.113)]

TJ is SCUM! You know it, I know it, and now everyone that reads these posts will know it!

[Anonymous (4.156.100.95)]

Thank you for what you posted, 152. I pray that people will take the time to read it and to THINK about it. I especially appreciated what was said about "stone throwing." The way Jesus dealt with power abusers was by throwing them out of the temple!

Imagine, Jesus didn't go to the power abusers alone. He threw them out and in front of everyone! What about covering their sins? He could have at least sent them away to a branch ministry until it all blew over, and then brought them back to lead the worship and be principal of a ministry school.

People like TJ Hassler are power abusers who take avantage and use innocent, pure believers to their own end. Not to deal with him, and others like him, is reprehensible.

If Jesus were here on the earth today, would He be at GGWO, GGCA, and the Annex overthrowing a few tables?

[JF (66.90.181.249)]

1. Are there two or more credible witnesses in accusing this person?

2. Have they contacted the accused and sought repentance? Have both parties repented?

3. If one of the parties is an elder or pastor, and the accusation has been proven, has there been church discipline i.e. he steps down and makes himself accountable as a "one woman man" so that quality becomes blatantly observable in him over a period of time?

4. If there has been no repentance by the elder or pastor, has the elder been publicly rebuked and reproved?

5. Any empty unprovable accusations without credible witnesses (one of the two offending parties is usually a good witness) should be avoided.
Matt. 18; Gal.6; 1 Tim.5:19ff

[Anonymous (141.157.96.147)]

My pt exactly

[Anonymous (152.163.101.13)]

Why would anyone think this situation was handled differently (biblically)?

Jim, you know quite well how these matters are handled in GGWO.

It is never handled according to scripture. The hurt parties are marked and silenced. Just like what happened to Alan Lang! You know the Alan Lang story has been repeated hundreds of times in TBS/GGWO. Your posted verses mean nothing to the leaders in Baltimore.

[JF (66.90.181.249)]

But do they mean something to us?

[Anonymous (216.183.184.253)]

,,,

[Anonymous (68.33.70.187)]

WOW.

[Plaid (66.91.59.248)]

I think that when we are dealing with a crime, which is what sexual abuse of a subordinate is, then the law of the land takes precedance.

At the very least, the unhealthy climate of TBS/GGWO is not in the least a place for a victim to get help.

TJ Hassler's taste for young women runs back to his days at the campus in Lenox, by the way.