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Anonymous (141.157.117.56)
10-03-2004, 08:15 AM
I have been meditating on these verses and felt they should be shared here. We all want the same thing; for God to turn hearts, for people to know Christ and for people whose eyes are closed to be opened. And we desire healing for our souls and spirits for decisions we made over the past several years.

Some of us are just like brand new babes starting over with God. Some of us have been wounded and hurt very much. God wants us to really get to know the Christ in us and His precious Holy Spirit longs to teach us properly.

He is not surprised at all with all that has happened and is happening.

What has happened was not of His will but man's and fueled by satan. The enemy has no power over us. I am excited as to what God wants to do in us now.

Paul said in Phillipians 3:12 Not that I have now attained [this ideal], or have already been made perfect, but I press on to lay hold of (grasp) and make my own, that for which Christ Jesus (the Messiah) has laid hold of me and made me His own.

13 I do not consider, brethren, that I have captured and made it my own [yet]; but one thing I do [it is my one aspiration]: forgetting what lies behind and straining forward to what lies ahead,

14 I press on toward the goal to win the [supreme and heavenly] prize to which God in Christ Jesus is calling us upward.}

15 So let those [of us] who are spiritually mature and full-grown have this mind and hold these convictions; and if in any respect you have a different attitude of mind, God will make that clear to you also.

16 Only let us hold true to what we have already attained and walk and order our lives by that.}

17 Brethren, together follow my example and observe those who live after the pattern we have set for you.

These are very important verses for us. God is in control and if this is not of God when the leader is taken away it will crumble. 2 Timothy 2:23 also struck me. We must be wise through the Holy Spirit in what and how we handle things here. Is it God's thoughts and ways.

Acts 5:34 "But a certain Pharisee in the council (Sanhedrin) named Gamaliel, a teacher of the Law, highly esteemed by all the people, standing up, ordered that the apostles be taken outside for a little while.

35 Then he addressed them [the council, saying]: Men of Israel, take care in regard to what you propose to do concerning these men.

36 For before our time there arose Theudas, asserting himself to be a person of importance, with whom a number of men allied themselves, about 400; but he was killed and all who had listened to and adhered to him were scattered and brought to nothing.

37 And after this one rose up Judas the Galilean, [who led an uprising] during the time of the census, and drew away a popular following after him; he also perished and all his adherents were scattered.

38 Now in the present case let me say to you, stand off (withdraw) from these men and let them alone. For if this doctrine or purpose or undertaking or movement is of human origin, it will fail (be overthrown and come to nothing);

39 But if it is of God, you will not be able to stop or overthrow or destroy them; you might even be found fighting against God!


<FONT COLOR="ff0000">2 Tim 2:23 "But refuse (shut your mind against, have nothing to do with) trifling (ill-informed, unedifying, stupid) controversies over ignorant questionings, for you know that they foster strife and breed quarrels.</FONT>

<FONT COLOR="ff0000">24 And the servant of the Lord must not be quarrelsome (fighting and contending). Instead, he must be kindly to everyone and mild-tempered [preserving the bond of peace]; he must be a skilled and suitable teacher, patient and forbearing and willing to suffer wrong.

25 He must correct his opponents with courtesy and gentleness, in the hope that God may grant that they will repent and come to know the Truth [that they will perceive and recognize and become accurately acquainted with and acknowledge it],

26 And that they may come to their senses [and] escape out of the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him, [henceforth] to do His [God's] will.</FONT>

Amos 5:11 Therefore because you tread upon the poor and take from him exactions of wheat, you have built houses of hewn stone, but you shall not dwell in them; you have planted pleasant vineyards, but you shall not drink their wine.

12 For I know how manifold are your transgressions and how mighty are your sins--you who afflict the [uncompromisingly] righteous, who take a bribe, and who turn aside the needy in the [court of the city] gate from their right.

13 Therefore he who is prudent will keep silence in such a time, for it is an evil time.

14 Seek (inquire for and require) good and not evil that you may live, and so the Lord, the God of hosts, will be with you, as you have said.

15 Hate the evil and love the good and establish justice in the [court of the city's] gate. It may be that the Lord, the God of hosts, will be gracious to the remnant of Joseph the northern kingdom.

Anonymous (141.157.122.88)
10-04-2004, 08:50 AM
Pr. Rob Prokop spoke an incredible message at this link concerning the King complex. http://serving.joyfully.at/display/index.jsp

It is a mirror image of what has happened throughout the years and I don't know if Pr. Prokop even realized he was speaking of Baltimore.

It is only a 15 or 20 minute message and well worth the listen. God bless all.

Anonymous (141.157.121.27)
10-05-2004, 10:33 AM
any thoughts?

Anonymous (67.193.54.244)
10-05-2004, 12:08 PM
obviously not RJ

sign your name next time

RJ (151.203.157.69)
10-05-2004, 12:44 PM
Anon 67, why don't you sign your name...I always do...check the numbers