Wherebs Jim Faucett

[Anonymous (69.143.68.103)]

I'll be the first to say that I don't miss getting beaten about the head and shoulders with Jim's fundamentalist views, but it seems strange that he's disappeared from Factnet right after the Barabbas thread. Did he take a vacation? Is he taking some time to "reflect"? Does anyone know him "outside" of Factnet to see if he's OK?

Even Martin L. made an exit speech.

Boss Martian

[RJ (151.203.157.69)]

Give Us Barabbas may have been Jim's his parting shot...sounds like him. I notice Drago and Carson aren't posting either.

Drago and Faucett had both said to me at one point or another they had likely stayed too long on FactNet.

I am personally wondering if anything will happen...seems like GGWO just keeps on going. We're likely going to wait till Carl dies. I am sorely disappointed that there is no one that can stop this vicious and cruel place. We all talk, but still the abuses continue.

[lee (65.96.56.161)]

Take heart Roberta,
What has been accomplished is great. The truth has gotten out. It's up to each person to make their own decision as to where they stand with this ministry. There is a lot of info to be had quite easily if one is so inclined to look for it.

I understand how disappointing it can be to want others to see what you see.....yet they don't see it the same way. I'm sure Jim feels as though he put forth a huge effort to get us all straight on doctrine, and yet, we don't see it his way.

My prayers are still with all those that are confused, hurt, angry, feeling used or abused by this ministry. I would like each of them to come out and understand God's purpose for their lives instead of serving the way they are.

[RJ (151.203.157.69)]

I know you are right Lee. And the days have been fruitful, many have seen the truth. I think I am too much a product of the 60's and early 70's when people took to the streets and protested loudly in the streest...*s* I was a love beads and picketing kind of girl then.

I have need of patience.

[Anonymous (63.27.23.149)]

lee,

I was reading The Eagle article and your dear husband was quoted as defending The Bible Speaks. I don't want to stir up hurtful memories; but am quite curious what finally opened his eyes about this cult?

[lee (65.96.56.161)]

Anon 63
It was chilling to read his words. I know many of us that are now out said comparable things in defense, but reading the articles brought back so much!

I don't know if I can pinpoint the exact thing that started to clear away the deception. When the CRI report came out and many left, he was asked to come out and take over the bible school. At the time of those articles, he hadn't been there long. We had no questions, no inkling that anything was amiss. To every charge, we had an answer that satisfied us. I remember hearing about the Manchesters being angry because they couldn't live on campus for free and thinking, 'why should they?' We only heard explanations from those that were loyal, which always sounded reasonable. Honestly, the spin was a good one. We had a basic belief that we were in the best ministry for the Word and to go into all the world. And, of course, we believed that those that left, simply didn't want to make the sacrafrice to go into all the world with the Gospel, but they wanted the world. It made sense, with the mindset we had, that the Manchesters must be demanding and carnal to want to live for free. We were all living hand to mouth, working low wage jobs and spending our free time in ministry. We thought Pastor was simply standing for his convictions.

It wasn't all that clear cut, but that is a little of how we were thinking. We were sold out people, thinking we would, someday, when we were ready, go on the missionfield.


No one that left, ever talked to us about why they left. They left quietly, as was preached.

So, we were back in Lenox, Jack was working to get the school accredited and all seemed well.
Then Betsey came to visit, she put a generous offering in the basket, was immediately visited by 2 pastors and cultivated by Kathy Hill. All during that time, the atmosphere was changing. Also, as the bible school pres. Jack was privy to things he had never been before. He always held things in confidence but occassionally someone couldn't get him and would approach me with their problem. Thats how I first learned of the problems with getting paid from work done at Lenox Lazer. Here were hard working students, busy from dawn to dusk and they needed to pay R & B, yet they couldn't get paid! If they didn't pay, they couldn't sign up for classes. It seemed so unfair that they were treated like that. That got tucked away in my head......I watched for resolve, but none came. I began to ask questions. Jack would shake his head, try not to say much, I would feel terrible about thinking bad things and nothing would get resolved.

Then, Betsey gave the money and a mad dash to spend came over the place. There was talk of a TV ministry, the importance of our personal health was a big topic, thus the need for the swimming pool. Pastor was being threatened because others were jealous so the need for bodyguards, survellance equip, guns etc. (some of which we didn't know about till the trial) I remember watching Jack walk from our home to go teach in the evening and he looked like he was carrying a very heavy load. He came home one day and said he smelled a rat. Little by little he began to talk. I found out that everyday at lunch time, instead of going to the campus restaurant to eat with Pastor, he'd go to Kennedy Park in the center of Lenox and pray. Then when Betsey's son didn't return from vacation and they couldn't be reached, things started to change.....word came that we would be sued.

It was in the courtroom, where I first learned about some of the practices of the ministry that seemed out of line to me. Jack was unsure of our standing all along. Things didn't look good to him.

I've told you before of coming back to campus when we found out the verdict. I remember sitting in the chapel still stunned that God had not pulled us through. Jim Markowski turned to me and asked if I thought the verdict was right. It stopped me cold. I said 'yes, it was right'. I sat down and became a spectator. I watched in unbelief as those on the stage spoke to us. It was quite a rally! I was sick to my stomach. Afterwards Jack said tome that we should have been on our knees repenting to God for what we had done. I knew he was right.

We had to get off campus right away......we found a small apt in Lee. We knew we couldn't join the caravan to Baltimore. Jack spoke to Pastor Stevens on the phone from the apt and told him we couldn't go with him. Jack spoke about the need to make things right.....perhaps restitution etc. The phone call didn't last too much longer and that was the last we heard from him. We went to Jack's families cottage in NY and started to make plans. We had no money and no where to live. We did have a church in Boston and friends there that helped us. They took in our boys that were schoolage while we figured out what to do.

We were still quite connected though. We got involved in Basement Waterproofing and ran Louis Ruvido's business out of Boston, employing men from our church. At this time, we heard from Steve Stevens. We got together and talked and talked and talked. We saw David and Patti Huff as well as Bob and Eleanor Huff. And we continued to talk and talk. We found out LOTS of the dirty stuff that had gone on for years and years. We would remark as to how the more we learned, the more pieces would fall together like a puzzle. The picture was getting clearer and clearer. Then we would return to the church and sure enough, what we learned from our visits wouldn't be repeated but the whole picture of the corruption and lies, spins and deceptions would be spoken of. This caused questions amongst our church people of course and those that were loyalists would leave for Baltimore. Some quietly but some quite angry with us for our disloyalty.

This is quite long and its really from my point of view not Jack's, but this is a little bit about the process we went through. I know Jack could put it more succinctly and perhaps he will sometime.

I had the same reaction many on factnet have had. I would question the stories but after hearing what I heard in the courtroom, I mostly just listened and knew in my heart that what people told me was the truth. All those that had gone before us, had good reason to leave. They were the ones telling the truth, not our pastor. It is an incredible web.

[lee (65.96.56.161)]

ps. I will say that forgiveness has also been a process for us. Our focus on factnet is to inform and help those that are still caught in the web. We've been there....we know. Do not loose heart. It takes time to put it all together.

[Anonymous (207.156.7.90)]

"I am sorely disappointed that there is no one that can stop this vicious and cruel place. We all talk, but still the abuses continue."

A good description of Anything-But-Facts-Net

[Anonymous (152.163.101.12)]

I disagree 207.

This is a movement in progress. FACTNet is a tool and only a small portion of the whole picture of this movement. Any successful operation starts with a clear understanding of the problem. No one was able to have a complete picture of the devastation caused by this small group of men. FACTNet has provided us with the understanding that A) The deceit and abuse is NOT isolated to a few disgruntled ex-members or the present. It is a long history effecting hundreds or perhaps thousands. B) It is a small group of men that control the abuse. The rank and file believers of TBS/GGWO are the abused through the classic systemic practices of a cultic group. So now a foundation of understanding has been laid. FACTNet is the launching pad but beyond FACTNet connections of friendship and support have been made. Exit counseling offered and given. New churches found and a new life has begun for many. Hundreds and hundreds of believers have received enough information to equip them to LEAVE! These same exiting believers are now equipped to reach out to remaining loved ones and draw them out. There is a chain reaction occurring and it is now having devastating effects on the infrastructure of GGWO. It is only the beginning and only a portion of the work going behind the scenes. There is more to come.

[JF (66.90.181.249)]

Actually, thanks Boss for your concern, but the work and family reality thing has been heavy lately. As to an exit speech, I'll leave that to the superstars.

I am, and will continue to be available here:

somebonus@yahoo.com

[RJ (151.203.157.69)]

Thanks Lee for sharing that...it was a very strange time, and it couldn't have been easy for you or Jack or the boys.

[lee (65.96.56.161)]

thanks RJ.......thanks to the Dorsey family that loves us to this day. Thanks to Bernadette Emery and Kathy Gallagher who took our boys for 6 weeks while we had no where to go! Thanks to Bill and Dianne Major who were selfless in their service....till they found out we left! Thanks to the many many wonderful people from our church in Boston who stood and still stand for God. Without them, our experience would have been more difficult. Also, to Jack's family. What a strong christian heritage.

[Anonymous (65.113.124.115)]

thanks Lee for sharing your story here. It certainly was an eye opener. Too bad the D'Entremonts still today cheat people out of their wages. Some people never learn.

[Bob Brinton (70.17.128.228)]

All things are taken into account by Him with whom we have to do.

[Anonymous (67.243.133.200)]

Jim,

Glad you're OK.

Still ****ing me off, though. What did I expect, though?

Boss Martian
Will be more careful about what he asks for in the future.

[Anonymous (152.163.100.5)]

Hey imagine if you were a woman after reading the stuff he posted today? Yea, he is still knows what buttons to push with me.

Good to see you posting Boss. You are one guy that does not **** me off.