This is the board that never ends

[Anonymous (68.34.98.94)]

yes, it goes on and on my friends,
some people starting reading it not knowing what it was,
and they'll continuing reading it forever just because this is the board that never ends,
yes it goes on and on my friends,
some people started reading it not knowing what it was,
and they'll continuing reading it forever just because this is the board that never ends,
yes it goes on and on my friends,
some people started reading it not knowing what it was,
and they'll continuing reading it forever just because this is the board that never ends......

[Anonymous (152.163.101.12)]

Your display of non-critical thinking skills are not worthy of debate. Keep chanting, GGWO taught you that skill well.

[Anonymous (68.34.98.94)]

You insulted me when I am such a painful period of leaving http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/sad.gif

[Anonymous (201.135.206.207)]

If you bite and ravage each other, watch out - in no time at all you will be annihilating each other, and where will your precious freedom be then? (Gal 5:15 from The Message.)

[Anonymous (152.163.101.12)]

Forgive me if I did. I presumed this new thread was mocking FACTNet. As long and as flawed as it may be, it has helped many.

[Anonymous (201.135.206.207)]

It has helped many to become exactly what they critcize in others.....to become hypocrites.

[Bob Brinton (70.17.128.228)]

It's nice to see Carl's let the dogs out again.

[Anonymous (201.135.206.207)]

Bob, where's your flea collar?

[Bob Brinton (70.17.128.228)]

I didn't need a collar to flee.

[Anonymous (201.135.206.207)]

Well, get one. How else are those fleas on you going to flee?

[Anonymous (152.163.101.12)]

Bob,

Welcome Bruce Moon a.k.a. Sam Spade back to FACTNet.

Can't say we missed his mean-spirited postings.

He is typical of the pastors who remain Carl loyalists. Any leader with a true heart of a God is fleeing or at least backing as far away as possible from GGWO Baltimore.

Bruce, there are no other pastors on FACTNet defending this group, take the hint! You are playing yourself the fool.

[Anonymous (63.27.16.206)]

WHEN STEVENS QUITS OR DIES AND HIS TOADIES RESIGN; THEN AND ONLY THEN, WILL THE TRUTH SHINE OVER GGWO IN BALTIMORE!

[Anonymous (67.243.240.20)]

This board of Factnet/GGWO will cease to attract attention when Carl and GGWO finally ceases their evil behind their christian charade.

God "raised up" factnet/ggwo to show other that God will not share his glory with another (Exodus Ch 20), No not even a hair plug wearing charlatan like Carl Stevens.

[Anonymous (152.163.101.12)]

What is really sad is my family has recently connected with so many that have no idea what is going on in GGWO. They sense and know the spirit is not good but have not heard the truth. They are confused and hurting and not sure which step to take next. There are hundreds attending GGWO right now that DO NOT want to be there. It is a shame-based doctrine. They are shamed into believing even questioning means they do not have a strong vertical or cross-life. This is false doctrine and keeps them in bondage. I do not think any of us realize the wickedness of this deception. It is not just a matter of a church "going through" a difficult time. Instead it is a group of leaders sacrificing the lives of their congregation to keep the lies going. And as the exposure continues and the counterfeit infrastructure begins to crumble, they press their cause harder on the congregation. This is damaging lives, seperating families and wounding many. In the past, when someone "left the ministry" they were slandered and marked and disappeared. Today there are hundreds leaving, leaders, whole families, families split apart with their loved ones marked and considered "weird" and "off." It has left those that remain bewildered and confused. It has isolated those that have left as they try to rebuild their lives both spiritually and legistically. It is happening on a mass scale. How God is grieved! How far away from His design for a church this has become! His church is place to fellowship, encourage and grow together. I have no answers or solutions, but my heart breaks as I hear of another hurting family. It is just so wrong what is happening!

[Anonymous (209.247.222.87)]

I do not wish Carl Stevens any harm. While I don't attend his church, I do pray for him, that God will bless him and lead him into the path of righteousness. I believe his heart is pure before God, while his motivations and actions may prove otherwise, but I can't believe he would deliberatly hurt someone.

[Anonymous (67.243.240.20)]

Hey 209.
Explain your comments.
"..his heart is pure before God, while his motivations and actions may prove otherwise,.."

Did not Jesus say a tree is known by its fruit?

How can you disconnect actions from the intent of the heart when God doesn't?

You sound just like others making excuses for Carls evil behavior.

[Anonymous (209.247.222.87)]

I don't make excuses for anyone's behavior. What I said was quite clear: I believe his heart is pure before God. The ensuing power and fame has allowed him to form a huge blindspot in his heart. He doesn't intend to delberately hurt anyone.
Yes, JESUS did say a tree was known by his fruit. I won't even argue that because that sentence is chronically taken out of context. But to come back at you, didn't Jesus also say to turn the other cheek?
I just wanted to point out to you how easy it is to take a sentence in the bible out of context.

[Anonymous (209.247.222.87)]

Signing off now. Until tomorrow, Good-night!

[Anonymous (67.243.240.121)]

Anon 209 - you do make excuses for Carls evil behavior then creep away by signing off immediately like a typical ggwo'er who knows they are caught in a lie.
That quote from Jesus was speaking of people just like Carl and in no way taken out of context.
And since you mentioned it...
Jesus never suggested that you or I insist that repeated victims of evil "turn the other cheek".
You would likely tell any victim of a crime to "turn the other cheek"
You are the kind of of person who would tell the parents of Lacy Peterson to "turn the other cheek if you are a real christian"
You have twisted his words for your own argument. You are too easy too see through.
Jesus spoke scathingly of people juste like Carl and his enablers like you ...(the pharisees)

[Anonymous (152.163.101.12)]

Carl commited habitual adulteries starting back in Maine. They continued even when his wife was dying. In the years following her death, Carl would expound on how crazy his dead wife was, he would say she was a nagger, she tricked him into marrying her. How this poor woman must have suffered under his abuse. She was the mother of his children. He dishonored her and was unfaithfulness to her even on her deathbed. He then had the nerve to imply to others that she suffered "the sin unto physical death."

This is not a man with a pure heart and a blind spot. This a sick and evil man. 209, try getting in his way and see how quickly he would eat you alive.

[RJ (151.203.157.69)]

You're right on all points 152.

[Bob Brinton (70.17.128.228)]

Is that stuff about the original Barbara Stevens things you heard at raps? I only went to a couple of raps. That's worse than what I'd been aware of.

[Bob Brinton (70.17.128.228)]

I guess what I want to know is where and when Stevens said these kinds of things about Barbara; because I never once heard him say anything about her that wasn't positive. Are there others who confirm this?

[Anonymous (152.163.101.12)]

He never spoke about her negatively in raps but in private conversations. I am sure anyone close to him, departed leaders would confirm.

[Bob Brinton (70.17.128.228)]

I'm waiting. Some attached names might make it more convincing. What Stevens said about her in messages was extremely positive. He also had many good things to say about his mother.

[Anonymous (70.16.2.128)]

it is going on and on and the unfortunate thing is that it has lost it's effectiveness. Dave, Dave, Jeanie, and others rarely post. And quite honestly the posts now have nothing to do with the issues in GG. Just a lot of disagreeing and slamming. Gg accomplished what it was after.

This board is all but destroyed because of trolls and others. Such a shame.

[RJ (151.203.157.69)]

Nope. I disagree. People are still seeking answers and though they may not post to the board, they email those of us who have posted our names and email addresses.

Jeannie, Dave and Dave are not the only people on this board who have voices worth listening to here. God bless Jeannie for all her hard work, but she will be the first to say that she has not been alone in the venture.

You might be surprised at the number of people who post and those who choose not to post here who are active on it's behalf. Pleaople still need this voice to remain, for without the dissident voice few eyes would now be open to the truth.

[Anonymous (68.166.68.48)]

Approximately, how many people are actually posting? Doesn't seem more than a handful.

[Bob Brinton (70.17.128.228)]

Heck; you're a handful just by yourself, 68.

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

More than there appears to be. Many times IPs are duplicated. In addition, there is a significant network of people communicating behind the scenes.

[Jeannie (205.188.117.20)]

Bob, you never fail to make me laugh!

I liken FACTNet to the tip of the iceberg and GGWO to the Titanic. There is a huge iceberg right under the surface. The tip of the iceberg did not sink the Titantic but sink it did!

Roberta is correct, there is a quite a network behind the scenes.

I can verify firsthand there are many many people, some well known in the Christian community, that read FACTNet on a regular basis.

I believe the work is God's and everyone that posts has a vital portion to contribute whether we always agree or not. My trust lies with Him and His desires with His results.

[RJ (151.203.157.69)]

Amen, Jeannie...amen indeed!

[Anonymous (200.76.64.3)]

The hatred you're carrying is a live coal in your heart - far more damaging to yourself than to them. -- Lawana Blackwell, The Dowry of Miss Lydia Clark, 1999

[Anonymous (152.163.101.12)]

Your indoctrination has been thorough, 200.

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

It is classic cultic mentality to equate speaking the truth (if it is truth contrary to the cult's lie) with a strong negative emotion. Such as "hate." Having witnessed a great deception and watched lives shattered, I am compelled to speak about it. It is motivated by love and not hate at all. I am sorry you are so deceived. The truth is knocking at your door, let Him in.

[RJ (151.203.157.69)]

Very well said 205....

[Anonymous (209.247.222.115)]

Anon 67, I didn't creep off. I went to bed because I was tired and as a curtesty I let you know so you wouldn't think I ignored you if you posted. The "until tomorrow" part should have told you that.
I went to GG for a time. I had problems and let me tell you, Stevens helped me with them. But I know how it works in Baltimore - that's why I stopped going long ago.It's all about control and power.
I find it interesting that you seem to be justified insulting me and assuming to know how I think by just a few posts. So, if you plan to post back, do it without paranoia and accusation or please don't bother to answer me at all.

[Anonymous (4.139.15.41)]

I don't see the difference between what everyone here thinks about Greater Grace and what is going on here on Factnet. There are many lies that are heard about others, wise conceits that Romans 12 warns us against, a structure that is completely unaccountable, attacking others when you do not even know if it is true, but it is accepted as truth...which Greater Grace does from the pulpit and behind the scenes, gossiping and maligning, sowing discord and hatred towards people that have done nothing against you personally. I think many would say that Christ would not fellowship here. People give opinions of what others should do and if they should step down or up. They are talking about lives and families that are hurting just as much as they are, but I guess each person's hurt is more important than the other. This is sin here as well as at GGWO. I am not saying everybody does this, but being here condones it, does it not. I repent for ever taking place in this. I thought it might be used for God and searched for God here in some crazy way. I found nothing but opinion, ridicule and hatred. I guess we are all guilty in some way, just as scripture says and pray that we go on serving God personally and let Him be on the Throne and take care of His own.

[Anonymous (209.247.222.115)]

Amen

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

FACTNet is a discussion board and not a church. It is an unmoderated board which means just because I post here does not make me accountable for what someone else posts here. It is a cross section of life, the good, the bad and the ugly. It has a purpose even with the pettiness and vicousness to others at times. I do not repent for being here. I do not repent for sinning in word or intention here because I have not. Most of us are not here for self gain but for others. The same cannot be said of the leadership of GGWO.

[Anonymous (4.139.12.222)]

You are told to live by every word of God, whether on factnet or in church, just as I am. We are all inexcusable. I should be the same at home, at work, at church and in the world, including the internet. We still have no right to judge, gossip and have our light fellowship with darkness. Otherwise, we are those that say and do not and are hypocrites.

[Anonymous (63.27.77.39)]

Was Jesus a hypocrite then? After all, he had His light fellowship with OUR darkness, now didn't He? Quite putting God in a little box 4.139 and allow other to speak their peace. Many have been stifled for YEARS due to the stupidity of "cockatrice eggs" and fear of others "evil report" so lighten up will ya!

[Anonymous (4.139.90.115)]

Wow. You are saying Jesus took part in fellowshipping with darkness ? Then why did He write Eph. 5:11 and 1 John 6:6-7. All I am saying is if this could be done in the Spirit of reconciliation and not mockery or hurting others because we have been hurt, if it could be done with a help to resolve and not vain talk, and if it could be done to bring forth life and not death, maybe it could be profitable.

[Anonymous (152.163.101.12)]

Sounds like another "knuckle under and shut up" edict.

[Anonymous (151.196.17.118)]

4 Yes we all stand before God not posters in Factnet. "Who art thou that judges another man's servant"

Allow people their liberty in Christ and if God has a problem with His own He will deal with it.

If a brother has offended you personally here then you go to them alone otherwise we must respect the rights of others.

[Anonymous (209.247.222.116)]

Thats hard to do when you don't know who your brother is because they posted anonymously!!

[Anonymous (65.234.189.15)]

Why not do what the Delaware folks are doing and start a support group in Baltimore? Surely there are enough hurting people to get something rolling. Who'll take it on?

[Anonymous (200.39.208.249)]

"More churches have been destroyed by the accuser of the brethren and its faultfinding than by either immorality or misuse of church funds. So prevalent is this influence in our society that, among many, faultfinding has been elevated to the status of a "ministry"!

Francis Frangipane
Ministries of Francis Frangipane

[Anonymous (4.139.27.188)]

It is funny, that while we are angry and mock and attack each other, if we were a little honest, we would have to admit that we care and that is what hurts. We have all been betrayed in some ways, by others. We need a healing to go on with our lives with God and be content. God will take care of anyone that has hurt His children. He does not need the children to fight each other. I am nothing and I know that you might not care what I have to say. But, somewhere we must glorify God and get beyond this. It is okay and we are okay.

[Anonymous (200.39.208.250)]

You are confronted again and again with the choice of letting God speak or letting your wounded self cry out. Although there has to be a place where you can allow your wounded part to get the attention it needs, your vocation is to speak from the place in you where God dwells.

Henri J. M. Nouwen

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

I love the writings of Henri Nouwen. I post on factnet not out of my wounds but for others that are confused and hurting, families that are split apart because the leaders of GGWO are lying and causing division. God does not want us to be silent about it.

[RJ (151.203.157.69)]

I agree totally Anon 64. Silence is a spiritual death sentence for those who need to know the truth.

[Anonymous (201.135.176.220)]

A dog barks when his master is attacked. I would be a coward if I saw that God's truth is attacked and yet would remain silent." - John Calvin (1509 &endash; 1564)

[Anonymous (201.135.176.220)]

To speak ill of others is a dishonest way of praising ourselves. -- Will Durant

[Anonymous (63.27.3.60)]

"It is a sin to leave the geographical will of God, homebase."

Carl H. Stevens, Jr.