Whatbs Wrong with the church

[Anonymous (201.135.206.207)]

The London Times had a symposium inviting many writers and thinkrs to respond to the question: "What is wrong with the world."

The shortest and most succinct answer was given by the English poet and hunorist, G.K Chesterson. It went:

Sirs,

I am.

Sincerely,
GK Chesterson

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

It might be easier to answer whats right with the church lol , and even shorter answer.....

Nothing

[Anonymous (63.27.16.206)]

How do you want it; alphabetically or free association?

Here's a question for you...what's not wrong with this "church"?

[Anonymous (152.163.101.12)]

It's going down folks, this farce of a church that has destroyed hundreds of lives is going down.

[RJ (151.203.157.69)]

I do hope you're right 152...oh I hope you're right!

[Anonymous (70.17.205.215)]

hasn't destroyed my life "just give me Jesus"

[Anonymous (152.163.101.12)]

You people are pathetic. Get some balls and go on with your life. I have no sympathy for any of you people. you deserve everything you get

[Anonymous (63.27.7.23)]

Anyone notice idiot 152 has NOT put their lengthy bull**** on any threads SUPPORTING GGWO?
What an *******!

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

The managers of FACTNet have been alerted. They do not take kindly to those that attempt to destroy their discussion board or thwart our right to free expression.

[HEATHER (152.163.101.12)]

70. don't be foolish Greater grace didn't give you Jesus....God did, he would have given you Jesus whether you were in GG or in the gutter on the streets, or prostituting yourself, or a head honcho at Enron GOD GAVE YOU A SAVIOUR NOT MAN

[RJ (151.203.157.69)]

Right on Heather.

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

Here is an interesting article on Jim Jones background. The parallel to "you know who" is striking.


"Peoples Temple was starting to look like a cult, and June Cordell wanted her husband back. Not only that, she had seen patients abused at a nursing home that Jones had set up as part of his Indianapolis ministry. The Cordells told Aunt Edith about it, and their report got back to Jones. The Cordells started to get threatening phone calls and had to change their telephone number. Then, they got a late-night visit from Jones.

"He got me up in the middle of the night," said June Cordell. "He said, 'You don't ever open your mouth to anybody about anything you see in that nursing home or anything involving me. The look out of his eyes really scared me. I never wanted to come across him again -- especially alone."

June and Gene Cordell already had left the church and wanted get Aunt Edith and other family members out of Peoples Temple. But by then, Aunt Edith had changed her will and left her entire estate to Jones.

In June 1965, Cordell found Edith and some other temple members packing up the car. They had planned to sneak out of town without a word.

Eventually, 20 members of the Cordell family would join Jones in California. Over the years, a few family members would leave the cult, but others would be born into Peoples Temple.

In the end, 20 members of the Cordell family died in Jonestown.



"Knight was still working as a reporter for the Palladium. "I'm going down Main Street and realize there are three people coming toward me," he said. "I didn't think much about it. I had my head down and was thinking about my story, and I glanced up, and all of a sudden I realized I was walking straight into the middle of them. I did a double take and stopped and said, 'My goodness. Jim! What in the world has happened to you?'
"Jim Jones had his hair combed back, and he had on -- not a zoot suit -- but certainly not a suit that was 'Indiana.' He had big sunglasses sitting up on top of his head and a goon on each side of him. Two enormous big guys -- one black, one white. We stood there on the street and talked. He was back from San Francisco. We talked for a good 10 minutes.
" 'Jim," I said, 'I'm curious. Why the change? Why the sunglasses? The bodyguards?' He grinned and said -- this is a statement I'll never forget -- he grinned and said, 'Max, when you reach the top, you've got to play the part."


http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/11/18/JONESTOWN.TMP

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

From the Boston article:

I loved this part where Carl backpedals on the issue of his authority of God's anointed. How ironic! Especially when you consider Sunday's message sure sounded like he still thought he is God's man and everybody better line up and stay seated in Baltimore. Do you think he was speaking with such authority because he was afraid they were going to run out in the woods and have sex????


WORDS FROM CARL

And in one of his rare conversations with a reporter, he pulled even further away from the controversies of his past.

"Twelve years ago, I was preaching a message. It was an extreme message, and I know that," he said. "I came to realize that in 1980. But back then I had a bunch of people, 40 of them who were hippies or what you may call them, and I was just trying to get them to recognize some authority. … You would tell them something and they would nod yes, and the next thing you know they would be out in the woods, having sex or something. I had to say something that would get them to listen."

[Anonymous (152.163.101.12)]

Not enough woods around the property in Baltimore for that. Must have been another reason.

[Anonymous (63.27.12.71)]

Didn't know hippies were still around in 1992 either!

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

A thank you to the managers of FACTNet for removing the unnecessary lengthy books flooding our threads!

[Anonymous (63.27.12.71)]

Thank you Factnet and 64.12 for taking care of "that mess." http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

The Ghost of the Machine is always only an email away!

[Anonymous (4.155.238.200)]

What threads did Factnet remove?

[Anonymous (4.155.238.200)]

Someone asks what is wrong with this church?

I suggest that you read the 30,000 plus posts and get a rhema for yourself. These people aren't lying.

[Anonymous (151.196.128.245)]

We have no reason to lie. That would be ridiculous. We are sharing misappropriations of an organization that calls itself a church.

Rather it is spiritual manipulation. And only the HOly Spirit can open eyes and I pray He would.

So many families hurt, broken up, children disillusioned by double minded leaders.

It is so sad but the proof is there. We have a lost generation of kids in GG Baltimore.
Pray for the children and for God to open eyes.'

Prayer is the key right now. God bless you all.

[Anonymous (63.27.24.12)]

Here's a sampling of what's WRONG with this cult, er, church.

GREATER DISGRACE WORLD OUTRAGE'S NEW WEBSITE
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BOOKLET: JUST LET CARL USE YOU!

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GREATER DISGRACE WORLD OUTRAGE DESCRIPTION

The Greater Disgrace World Outrage is a family business oriented toward cultic tendencies. We preach delegated authority and believe the whole counsel of “Dr.” Carl H. Stevens, Jr. as anointed, therefore using a Finished Work perspective to insure no financial or moral accountability of “Pastor” and those in leadership. We have a Carl Stevens-centered church in Baltimore, Maryland, and affiliated ministries throughout the world, which believe and practice the cardinal doctrines of Carl Stevens for his glory and ego.

By our own duplicity, we are doing our part through a diverse array of “ministries” to help reach many of the: naïve, lonely and ignorant in our local area and around the world. These “ministries” help build up Carl Stevens bank account thus deceiving sincere believers into "seeking and saving” people’s resources of time and money in order to obtain for “Pastor” that which has been “lost" both locally and abroad.

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WEBSITE INFORMATION

The Greater Disgrace World Outrage Website serves as an introduction to our cult. Many of our 135+ outreaches are represented here. We've included maps and directions as well. If you are in the Mid-Atlantic region of the United States, please stop by for a visit so we can use you too!
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CONTACT INFORMATION

Contact Us with your Complaints at:

Greater Disgrace World Outrage
6025 Moravia Park Dr.
Baltimore, MD 21206

410.483.3700

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Welcome to Greater Disgrace! Some introductory information about the cult, our god and local pastor, Carl H. Stevens, some of our numerous outreaches, and a brief Statement of Lies...

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THE DISGRACE HOUR

Unbiblical, inaccurate, pastor worshipping and impractical describe the phony award-winning “teachings” heard through our daily international radio ministry. Listen to ass kissing and unintelligible sermons by "Pastor" online.

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SUNDAY MORNING SERVICES

Sunday Church Services & other Ridiculous Events–Netcast Live Online! Can't join us in Baltimore ? Tune in live online for “Pastor's stupid jokes, dementia and “Pastor” worshipping antics of the Greater Disgrace World Outrage congregants in real time.

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CALENDAR
[Greater Disgrace Calendar of Upcoming Farces]

Special “Pastor” worshipping events, deceptive absences by "Pastor" to inspire devotion while he's in detox in the Betty Ford Center with the Greater Disgrace cult, Disgrace Hour.
Greater Disgrace Cultic Academy Calendar of gun handling, wiring a premise for cameras and phone tapping, along with other Upcoming Pastor Worshipping Events
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[Maryland Brainwashing & Propoganda Institute]

"Kindle the fire of hell!" Log on to Maryland Brainwashing & Propaganda Institute's new website. Yellow Press News, “Pastor” Worshipping Events, online fallacies and much, much, more!

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OMISSIONS DEPARTMENT

Greater Disgrace World Outrage is an omissions of the truth oriented cult which has impacted and deceived in over 180 countries with falsehoods and stories of “Pastor". Over 600 gullible fools, who must support themselves while “Pastor”all the while deceptively has his toadies hold their hands out for "tithes" and "offerings" to be used to silence irrate husbands and pay for expensive prescription drugs and detox facilities. This money allegedly will be given to individuals on the foreign field. Omissions Newsletters also online.

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THOUGHTS ABOUT "PASTOR" FOR DAILY DEVOTION TO HIM

“Pastor” is truly blessed when his followers purpose to seek him and to put him first at the start of each day. As a result, “Pastor” is able to transform and brainwash many minds into exalting him and giving their time and resources for his whims. “Pastor”has promised that his sermons will always be anointed and will accomplish that which “Pastor” intends to do, which is deceive and bilk money. Remember you will die or get cancer of the tongue if you go against "Pastor's" wishes!!!!!
Quick,link directly to the Tuesday, October 12 “Pastor” Thoughts Devotional to protect yourselves NOW!

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GREATER DISGRACE WORLD OUTRAGE BOOKSTORE

Unintelligible sermons, Life size statues, autographed pictures and snotty Kleenex used by “Pastor” while preaching, Cassettes and CDs of “Pastor” slurring speech and telling stupid jokes which shatter the anointing, Books and booklets by and about “Pastor”, artwork of “Pastor”, music “Pastor” likes and more idolatrous items available.

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ONLINE MESSAGE ABOUT "PASTOR" LIBRARY

Over the years, “Pastor” and his family have been richly blessed by our cult through the biblical manipulation of “Pastor” Carl H. Stevens. These subtly abusive messages are now available to download and listen to via the Internet. Visit our Online Message about “Pastor” Library free of charge for only $75. 98 a limited time only.

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MISSIONFIELD AMERICA - DECEIVING AMERICAN CITIES

Deceiving, using & manipulating, these homeland missions support our “Pastors” investment portfolio and propagate the cultic abuses our “Pastor” has practiced for years.

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FACTNET CHAIN


Join with 30,000 plus concerned Factnet warriors from around the world for a daily digital reality and the truth about this cult. Testimonies abound about “Pastor’s” abuses so join us on the web at http://www.factnet.org/discussionboard/GGWO

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THE PASSION FOR DECEPTION USING THE FINISHED WORK

A remarkable true-lies drama. View the complete naivety of congregants found at Greater Disgrace World Outrage's performance recorded live and archived here (scroll down to reach the archive).

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WEBSITE TABLE OF CONTENTS

The easy way to navigate our website, unlike the theology of “Pastor."

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DIRECTIONS TO GREATER DISGRACE IN BALTIMORE

Please stop by and visit us when you are in the Baltimore-Washington area so that we can deceive and use your time, resources and money too.
If you get lost just look for where the vultures are circling above.

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Spread the warning and recommend the Greater Disgrace website to your friends!

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