Doctrine Booklets and GGWOTBS CassettesCDbs

[Mommie Dearest (141.157.73.153)]

Mommie Dearest wants to know what everybody is now doing with their old tapes......booklets....CD's....

There should be a way for us to get the money we were SUCKERED out of back.

I look at them and get nauseated inside. Since our whole foundation spiritually has to now be 'rebuilt' almost, where does one start?

How much of what was taught from the pulpit all these years was of God and can be salvaged???

Who the heck knows!!!

[M.D. (141.157.73.153)]

Gee whiz I'd be afraid to have a yard sale, God only knows what corruption would permeate the unsaved world out there!

[Anonymous (152.163.101.12)]

A number of requests have been made for doctrine materials. Those who are requesting these materials do not wish to support GG financially by purchasing them.

In the very near future, a post office box address will be posted for receipt of any items which can be donated.

[Mommie Dearest (141.157.73.153)]

Ok thats great about the PO Box but I want some of my money back!!! I know...."Good Luck!!"

What are the booklets that are "donated" going to be used for, firewood???

M.D.

[Anonymous (69.242.21.100)]

the tiny overpriced doctrine booklets....another source of brainwashing ...repent ! read the Bible

[Anonymous (63.27.66.29)]

Mommy Dearest,

Hang on to those "suckers" cuz they can be used against this organization in a court of law! In their arrogance, Stevens et al have "hung themselves by the tongue",so to speak, with materials that provide EMPIRICAL evidence of the abusive "doctrines" taught by this charlatan!

[Anonymous (152.163.101.12)]

Whoa "63" is this the truth?

Geez its worth hanging out for the $$$ bucks like Alan Lang got. Gee, my family could use a new place to live in a decent neighborhood!!

Thanks for the tip. I'll box them up and put something worthwhile in my bookcase.

Who's the attorney Alan Lang had anyhow? Can we get ahold of him and get something going for real?

[Arguendo (152.163.101.12)]

"Hang on to those "suckers" cuz they can be used against this organization in a court of law! In their arrogance, Stevens et al have "hung themselves by the tongue",so to speak, with materials that provide EMPIRICAL evidence of the abusive "doctrines" taught by this charlatan!"

Courts o' law don't rule on doctrine. Those babies are kindlin.

[Anonymous (69.143.68.103)]

Don't know about how well they'd do in court, but being able to quote directly from GGWO propaganda would certainly spice up and lend credibility to a documentary or news article.

It's one thing for the dissident movement to SAY GGWO believes in delegated authority, for example, another to quote from Official GGWO publications.

I agree that the courts don't rule on doctrine, per se, but the publications may be useful to show undue influence in a lawsuit.

Boss Martian

[Anonymous (152.163.101.12)]

Also those who are interested in them may not have anything to do with the justice system, Arguendo. They may be leaders in the Christian community. This is a body of Christ problem and there happens to be quite a few reading FACTNet that are NOT GGWO'ers.

[Arguendo (152.163.101.12)]

"I agree that the courts don't rule on doctrine, per se, but the publications may be useful to show undue influence in a lawsuit.

Boss Martian"

I can't believe that I wasted all that time sitting for that silly test when all I needed was the Boss Martin Stamp of Approval.

I defy anyone to prove undue influence in the wake of Betsy.

[Anonymous (69.143.68.103)]

I did say "may", Arquendo. I'm only an amateur lawyer and just guessing.

Having said that, (and I'm asking this in a purely theoretical manner), if you were representing someone AGAINST GGWO in a lawsuit (say selling their home at Carl's insistence and then living in a dorm, supposedly for free, and then getting charged for that dorm room) would none of those documents have any value? I realize that the above example might just be a breach of contract (Carl says you can live here for free if you sell your home, but now Carl has to charge you.), but would it be beneficial to the case to demonstrate an atmosphere of coercion as shown by published doctrine? Just asking......

Boss Martian

[Arguendo (152.163.101.12)]

I don't know, but I doubt it.

The law assumes a lot more personal responsibility than most of the posters here. Personally, I get very annoyed at the lack of personal responsibility exhibited here. Plus, I think its a dangerous road to travel if at the same time you are trying to convince people that they are empowered to leave.

You have to remember that people have been making religious choices to give up their stuff and go live in commune type places for years. The law just doesn't like to get into people's religious choices. That's why when people are nabbed it's usually for tax stuff. Taxes are clearly in the jurisdiction of the government and the courts, where doctrine and religious choices are not. Anything to do with minors may be the exception though, but the parents are usually held responsible as well.

The house/dorm thing is two issues. 1) There was never a valid contract if it was coerced and 2) if there was a valid contract, what was the contract and were the terms breached. There's a statute of limitations that may have run on the first issue, and the second issue is very messy since it was probably an oral contract. Nevertheless, the law will look for a contract, it will not look for delegated authority.

However, I think that the tapes of services may be important if from the pulpit CHS made pleas for money and stated the purpose for which the money was to be spent. That might be relevant in conjunction with an audit.