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RJ (141.154.186.91)
06-30-2004, 08:05 AM
Important information for parents
Reposted from another thread
Anonymous (4.155.63.42)
Wednesday, June 16, 2004 - 06:43 pm
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I worked with children for many years here in Baltimore up to very recently. Please let me tell you the REST of the story.
Many houndreds, perhaps even thousands of people have filled out Dr. Lewis's "pervert form" (which it is so affectionately called.) Every person who comes in contact with children in any way must fill one out and it is a very extensive 8 page form. It costs $50 for ONE of these forms to be processed properly with the authorities.( and I was told that a few years ago; it may have gone up since then.) Do you think that GGWO has put all that money into processing these forms properly? Think again. They have NOT.
I would not post this unless my information was first hand and accurate. I was told this information PERSONALLY by Dr. Lewis's office.
So no one is doing background checks on anyone. Dr. Lewis's office goes over the forms and then meets with anyone who has filled out anything questionable. Of course, anyone can lie on this form. So we don't really know, do we?
I would challenge any of you to question this, but I am sure you will get a lie for an answer, like everything else has been lied about.
(Message edited by admin on November 06, 2005)
Anonymous (152.163.253.102)
06-30-2004, 08:33 AM
So if parents are told that GGWO does background checks on anyone that works with children, these parents feel they have left their children in safe hands. Now we find that parents have been lied to? Is this a criminal offense? Does anyone know?
There is the facade of safeness and security at GG that does not exist at all.
I have heard from s several sources that a sexual assault occurred on a young girl from GG during the convention. I understand it involved 3 men not from GG. They were able to drag her on a bus parked out back. My understanding is that a friend heard her screams and called 911.
My question is where the hell were are the security guards? Protecting Pastor?? Busy spying on possible dissenters? They have cameras mounted on everything and everywhere. The facade of protection is apparently only for one lone man but not for our children.
I pray for this young girl and her family but I am outraged with all the armed bodyguards, security and cameras this girl was not protected.
Anonymous (207.7.206.227)
06-30-2004, 11:27 AM
Hopefully the cameras have recorders connected to them and can be seized for review.
Please persue this if you are in Baltimore. If this is true, it must be addressed by those who are charged with GGWO/TBS security.
Police reports are public records, are they not? I believe RJ would not post her report of Lewis's handling of these forms unless it is true. I have seen this information before on this board. It should concern anyone in there (ministry) or who have loved ones in there. This is outrageous!
Anonymous (24.88.43.233)
06-30-2004, 04:02 PM
RJ,
Rubber hots the road.
Other than D. Lewis there are only 3 actual staff person within Dr. Lewis's office. Technically it could be states it's only one other than D. Lewis.
So there are three people who would suggest what you say is true.
I hope you are willing to see them loose their jobs, and are willing to show they are telling the truth or will stand up.
Or they loose.
Hope it is worth it for this point.
Neil Carrick
BTW The form was not instituted bv Dr. Lewis. It is his office that handles it because he oversee's this ministry.
Anonymous (64.12.117.20)
06-30-2004, 04:03 PM
See the new thread about RJ's ordination!!!!!!
Anonymous (64.12.117.20)
06-30-2004, 04:05 PM
What you said was true Neil. Now RJ's going to open ANOTHER can of worms, possibly breeching confidential things again. When will it end???
Too bad its a public posting forum. People like her need to be silenced.
Anonymous (24.88.43.233)
06-30-2004, 04:10 PM
SIlenced? NO
Checked yes.
I called an authority on the matter. Including left a message for a person who handles such things outside the ministry.
If I understand RJ correctly she is saying that NONE of the forms but a few are ever sent to be checked. And only if they are questionable by Dr. Lewis.
I have a lot of trouble believing this matter because I know how it works. Dr. Lewis office gathered the forms. His office was not the charge of checking the information.
So this makes no sense unless RJ is confused on the process.
In His Peace,
Neil
RJ (141.154.186.91)
06-30-2004, 04:11 PM
Oh God, no...not another child! This has brought me to tears. Where were the security people indeed?
I add my prayers to yours Anon 152. That poor child. And her family must be devestated.
As regards the post about the lack of screening, I posted it here as a warning for parents, as a request that they check it out before they just assume anything.
It amazes me still that in the face of news that a child has been brutalized, people can only speak to the protection of GGWO.
Tearfully
Roberta
Anonymous (24.88.43.233)
06-30-2004, 04:12 PM
SIlenced? NO
Checked yes.
I called an authority on the matter. Including left a message for a person who handles such things outside the ministry.
If I understand RJ correctly she is saying that NONE of the forms but a few are ever sent to be checked. And only if they are questionable by Dr. Lewis.
I have a lot of trouble believing this matter because I know how it works. Dr. Lewis office gathered the forms. His office was not the charge of checking the information.
So this makes no sense unless RJ is confused on the process.
In His Peace,
Neil
Anonymous (64.12.117.20)
06-30-2004, 04:35 PM
Roberta,
Its heresay unless ALL the facts, names, details, police report and number are posted. Don't you see where we're coming from on the other end????
Nobody wants to see a child victimized, raped, assaulted, abused...or whatever the term applies to whatever situation.
"152" posts the "info"...anonymously...lets see the proof. No proof? Then why shouldn't we assume its a LIE before assuming its truth just because it was posted here. Thats where I agree with Neil that you need to be "checked." You seemingly jump on these bandwagons with everyone else, and the bottom line is, the facts are 90 percent of the time misconstrued...but when the truth is out, nobody and I say NOBODY will then re-post stating they "misunderstood something.."
You don't live in Baltimore, right? Were you there in the parking lot??? How do you know "security was just guarding pastor and not doing their jobs."
With the volume of people there at convention there was added security, but nobody can be everywhere 24/7. Don't just assume they were all following pastor and neglecting their other responsibilities. I don't buy it for a second.
At least get the police report number so people can call Baltimore City police and verify the existance of such said attack, etc. Thats not asking a whole lot now, is it, especially when you demand accountability on your end.
Nobody likes the table turned this way, do they.
Anonymous (4.139.18.20)
06-30-2004, 05:17 PM
Roberta,
There is a way of checking IF the "pervert forms" have been completed. Ask to see GGWO's FBI Fingerprinting information, much like the public school's are required to do, GGWO must have similar records.
Perhaps this information is public; therefore, you might investigate CURRENT GGCA staff members to determine if THEIR forms have been completed.
Just a thought!
Anonymous (4.139.18.20)
06-30-2004, 05:18 PM
Remember, HARD empirical evidence is needed to coroborate the many allegations on this board!
muskyrose (149.174.164.83)
06-30-2004, 06:21 PM
Woah! Hold on here, Lets back the cart up and hold the horses for just a minute! we have to clear something up before this gets anymore ridiclous than it already appears to be.
First, The only two posts by Roberta were made at the following times 3:03am which was a REPOSTING of anon 4.144 on 16th of june. Thus began this particular thread.
She did not post again until 11:11 am in response to anon 152. in that post she added her prayes to anon's.
Now, HOW in GOD'S NAME can you Neil, and the rest of you, HONESTLY accuse her of saying those things stated in your above posts when she NEVER said them?
I am puzzled as my Christian brothers and sisters, why do you think it is alright attack Roberta, who is doing what she feels is her leading of the HOLY SPIRIT? Why is it so important to silence her voice? What is it you want to hide? What is it you fear?
To be honest with you when I see all these attacks coming toward her the first thing I THINK of is, "WOW, She must be hitting a nerve some where and those who are attacking must have something they want kept hidden."
>>>>>>>>-----Bonnie
JD Skeet (170.97.67.115)
06-30-2004, 06:34 PM
My understanding is that churches are exempt under Maryland law regarding mandatory background checks for people who work with children - teachers, daycare workers, etc.
So whatever GGWO does is probably voluntary or required by their insurance company, rather than state mandated.
Anonymous (4.139.12.76)
06-30-2004, 06:54 PM
If this is true; this law needs to be changed!!!!
Cordell (66.90.181.249)
06-30-2004, 07:07 PM
Skeeter, what about the school? Isn't that separate from the church?
JD Skeet (170.97.67.115)
06-30-2004, 07:12 PM
Probably not. The law is written in a manner that excludes private schools run by churches.
JD Skeet (198.200.153.31)
06-30-2004, 07:16 PM
I may have read old law or just gotten it wrong. See the following:
http://tinyurl.com/cdfbm
(Message edited by admin on November 06, 2005)
Cordell (66.90.181.249)
06-30-2004, 07:51 PM
Am I misreading this?
"A church-exempt school, therefore, is not exempt from other applicable local, State, and/or Federal approval or licensure requirements such as zoning ordinances, health department regulations, fire safety regulations, asbestos regulations, criminal background checks, child abuse and neglect reporting law, and child care licensing requirements."
NOT EXEMPT FROM...criminal background checks? child abuse and neglect reporting law?
JD Skeet (170.97.67.91)
06-30-2004, 07:52 PM
No, like I said, I may have read the law incorrectly. I'll have to look at it later.
JD Skeet (170.97.67.91)
06-30-2004, 07:53 PM
I'm wrong about something at least once a day. Today you're privy to witness it.
Cordell (66.90.181.249)
06-30-2004, 07:54 PM
Mr. Bill says "OOOOOOHHHH NOOOOOOOOO!
TalkinTruth (205.188.117.20)
06-30-2004, 09:47 PM
Hi JD and Cordell,
I said good-bye a while ago but decided to check up on some posts after an unexpected visit TO MY HOME from 3 people from GG. I was only here to check some posts, but I saw yours regarding the criminal background checks and know I can give some clarification to that. (See I didn't say you are wrong - yikes! ;-) )
According the accrediting specialist of the Nonpublic school branch of the Maryland Dept. of Education, a church based school can choose to be certified or registered. In either case, they must be in compliance with health and safety issues. However, if they choose to only register with the state then the state has no input on background checks, credentialing, education of the teachers, curricula, etc.
However, if they do choose to only go the "registered" route, then the high school transcripts are not accepted by all secular schools upon graduation. As I mentioned in an earlier post, currently the military and police academies are not accepting transcripts from Maryland schools that choose to only register. Other colleges are left to decide on a case by case basis. Those regulations are expected to get tougher. (As an educator and parent, I plan on being one to lobby Annapolis for tougher regs. in this area.)
Regarding child care licensing, all home, commercial, church, etc., child care facilities are required to meet the regulations of the Child Care Administration. This I know to be fact. I was a certified to provide continuing ed. training in this area and am the author of several published books and articles related to child care, including one text book. I worked very closely with child care licensing agencies around the country and I know that in Maryland no groups are exempt from their regulations.
Hope that helps.
God Bless,
Holly.........previously known as Talkin Truth
Talkintruth (205.188.117.20)
06-30-2004, 09:53 PM
P.S.
That is....they do checks, but the church does their own background checks. I do know they have people fill out forms for background checks as I filled out one as a volunteer. What agency they put them through is unknown. The state is not involved in conducting those checks for a non-certified school. I don't know if they do fingerprinting. I wasn't fingerprinted as a volunteer. Their Child Care staff should be fingerprinted, that is a CCA requirement.
Holly
Anonymous (24.172.44.98)
06-30-2004, 10:07 PM
RJ,
I failed to notice you had copied and pasted. I apologize.
As far as criminal background checks the state and city have worked with the city to do it.
They were done.
I have two sources within the goverment that say so. I am asking them to recheck to make sure but like I had posted earlier Pastor Marr put this together not Dr. Lewis's office. It ws to protect the church from any liability and to make sure no kid was hurt. It is a common practice.
The City worked with the church and for that matter churches to help with the checks.
Next point?
Neil Carrick
PS Don't rush to judgement.
Anonymous (4.139.15.118)
06-30-2004, 10:16 PM
Who burned you Neil... Roberta or Greater Grace?
Anonymous (216.183.184.253)
06-30-2004, 11:26 PM
Get a load of 64.12.117.20's posting at 11:05 am
"People like her need to be silenced"
A typical GGWO response.
Further evidence of their fear of things being brought into the light.
Did not Jesus say that men prefer darkness rather than light because their deeds are evil?
Now there is a perfect example.
Anonymous (24.172.44.98)
07-01-2004, 12:17 AM
The source I got was the agency that handles things like this for Baltimore City.
Neither GGWO or any person here is sitting in that authority.
Neil
JD Skeet (64.12.117.20)
07-01-2004, 12:20 AM
TT/Holly obviously succeeded where I failed. What she says makes absolute sense. Sorry for the misinformaiton re: requirement for criminal background checks in MD
JD Skeet (64.12.117.20)
07-01-2004, 12:28 AM
This is the problem. Doing a check, whether required or not, is only half the battle. Once a check is done, an organization has to follow up and exclude undesirables. This seems to be the crux of the matter.
Anonymous (24.172.44.98)
07-01-2004, 12:36 AM
JD I agree I have been in this situation. However it is more complex than most imagine.
For instance if I don't allow somebody who was convicted of something say theft and exclude them, than I may be setting myself for an action against me.
If the church has knowledge of a sexual predititor and does nothing than it is grounds for another action.
I can tell you that as much as Mike Marr may seem like a bad seed here, reality is that he is not going to set the church up for a civil action.
If they did a criminal background check and it came up as a person who was a sexual abuser, or like. Say bye bye.
Hope that makes sense.
Anonymous (216.183.184.253)
07-01-2004, 12:41 AM
Sounds like the old
"DONT ASK , DONT TELL" policy.
Anonymous (24.172.44.98)
07-01-2004, 12:48 AM
No actually it is just the opposite!
They ask, and then they have to decide.
You can't imagine how ridiculous insurance can be for a church.
Easpecially one that has been invoplved in former litagation!
This is where you may think are so far in the know.
The one place I would expect GGWO to cover its butt on, and for that matter is this area.
If I was a lawyer and on staff, lack of due dilligence would be a nightmare.
Think about a judge asking the question to a lawyer on the staff of GGWO.
"Sir, you know the law in this regards? What steps did you take? Did you work with the city? Did you work with authorities? Did you take other actions?
If somebody brought an accusation before you did you seek out the truth?
Go ask a lawyer what they would say?
I was a Senior Pastor of a small church. I know this is not an area I would play dumb in.
The reality is that when I was in Patterson Park in Baltimore, I know GGWO went overboard to be careful in this regard.
In fact that was my concern was that maybe they had gone to far.
JD Skeet (64.12.117.20)
07-01-2004, 12:52 AM
I have no opinion of Mike Marr. I don't know the guy.
I am a bit skeptical about GGWO avoidance of liability, however. I think GGWO depends on the silence of its members. I think they take few risks either way because they think they can completely control situations and not have to subject themselves to any other authority than their own.
JD Skeet (64.12.117.20)
07-01-2004, 12:57 AM
Always remember, lawyers are mercenaries.
They do what they are hired to do. What they say depends on what they are hired to do.
Anon B (205.188.117.20)
07-01-2004, 01:19 AM
Skeet, I completely agree with you on this one.
One consideration - many who commit crimes, especially types of abuse, do not have arrests or convictions on their records due to lack of official complaints by the victims.
Rumour is not fact and suspicion is not proof; however, all criminals are not behind bars.
JD Skeet (64.12.117.20)
07-01-2004, 01:23 AM
Anon B:
Are you an American? I think not.
Anon B (205.188.117.20)
07-01-2004, 01:47 AM
Another consideration –
Regardless of allegations, rumour, proof, etcetera - compliance with regulations is still required by law.
Maybe the questions for now should be:
What are the regulations? (TTruth gave us that info.)
Is GG (school and daycare) in compliance?
Are the agencies subject to the regulations required to make anything available to anyone?
If so, is there someone willing to ask to see proof of compliance?
Am I going in the right direction, Skeet?
(Yes, I am a Yank.)
JD Skeet (64.12.117.20)
07-01-2004, 02:07 AM
Why do you spell "rumor" like a Brit?
Not sure if you're headed in the right direction.
Compliance is one thing, sound judgement is another. I think judgement is a bigger issue than compliance.
Anon B (64.12.117.20)
07-01-2004, 04:26 AM
Would you believe as an homage to Fleetwood Mac? Okay, probably not.
My thinking is - Capone got convicted on income tax evasion. If there is no accountability for judgement, perhaps compliance with regulations would be the next best area of focus.
JD Skeet (149.174.164.83)
07-01-2004, 04:42 AM
Well, yes, that is the way to go about these things.
Anonymous (205.188.117.20)
07-01-2004, 05:22 AM
BTW The title of this thread is very fitting with or without the quotation marks.
Roberta (141.154.144.33)
07-02-2004, 01:14 PM
If you were sexually abused by anyone in this church, if you were abused and your parents are still in denial about it, refusing to get help for you...we have phone numbers to give you. On the other end of that phone you will connect with people who understand, who know how to help. They are NOT friends of the the church who will help cover things up the sin of your molester, they are NOT friends of your parents who will ask you to be silent to protect the church. These people are trained counselors who will know how to help you.
If you want help we can direct you to someone in your area who will be there for YOU.
We care about YOU and only YOU.
Roberta Fernalld srfern@verizon.net
Lee Leonard jleon18_1999@yahoo.com
JD Skeet (149.174.164.83)
07-02-2004, 01:17 PM
Roberta:
It is totally unnecessary to post this to every thread. All you're going to do is make people angry.
Roberta (141.154.144.33)
07-02-2004, 01:45 PM
Reaching kids in whatever way I can, where ever I can on any thread I can...if that makes people angry, I feel sorry for them.
My name and integrity has been slammmed and sullied on thread after thread on this board by a GGWO pastor who assumed and falsly accused me of being dangerous, breaking the law and breaking confidences, vengence etc. How many kids he warned off from getting help is not known, but if it were only one I find that offensive and that makes ME angry. I am sure God's none too happy about it either.
I will post this wherever and whenever it needs to be and if it makes anyone angry I would question their love for children in crisis.
JD Skeet (149.174.164.83)
07-02-2004, 02:20 PM
"If it makes anyone angry I would question their love for children in crisis."
How dare you?
Your approach is NOT the only valid approach or response. Your agenda is NOT the only agenda that matters here. And reasonable minds can and will differ with you regarding this matter.
You're a bully at heart, Roberta. You've make it clear you'll crush anyone that gets in the way of your agenda and I haven't a clue as why you think this will make you approachable or trustworthy in the eyes of anyone you're seeking to help.
As for SS, stop playing the victim. You're as strong, if not stronger, as he. SS is no more a threat to you than a puppy peeing on the rug.
As for being offended by SS, if you come accoss a snake in the grass, and it raises its head and bites you, are you offended that it has bitten you? Or do you just think "It's a snake and that is it's nature" ?
Roberta (141.154.144.33)
07-02-2004, 03:39 PM
I dare because I once was a child in crisis with NOWHERE to turn, no adult cared enough to risk listening and I lived a long time with pain that might have been dealt with if someone had come forward boldly and said "I care" and had guts enough to say it over and over no matter who tried to stop them.
I have not said that my approach is the only valid one. But at the moment my approach seems to be the only one, and is having a good result. Let reasonable minds differ...how anyone can disagree with offering children a safe place to find a connection to someone who can help is a mystery to me, but so be it. Let them differ.
Bully? If that is what you call a passionate advocate, fine. For the kids, I will accept your adjective and wear it proudly.
I have been a victim of an unwarrented attack by SS and that is the truth. His attack is unbiblical, untrue and designed to discredit my efforts. I have been in this position before and as an advocate I expect to be again. Had he not jeopardized the effort to help the kids I would have not addressed his foolishness or anyone elses. I am not afraid of him, though some may be.
And by the way...as regards snakes in the grass. This morning I have noticed on more than one occasion that they come in so many different guises and have many ways of biting. Snakes who bite usually get what's coming to them one way or another or so history tells it. Time will tell I guess.
I have respected your voice here though I do not always agree with it.
You don't agree with mine. So be it.
Respectfully
R J Fernalld
JD Skeet (170.97.67.115)
07-02-2004, 05:08 PM
Roberta:
Why is every battle with you a blood battle?
You've overreacted. I didn't criticize the substance of what you were saying, I criticized the repeating of your message ad nauseam with no concern for the feelings of others.
You can certainly disagree with my position, but instead of attacking my position, you attacked my character for not agreeing with you. You went right for the jugular for a mere disagreement in approach. That's what makes you a bully.
What makes you a passionate advocate is a refusal to be silenced. I can think of nothing more futile than asking you to be silent. And I will never ask you to be silent, but I will continue to ask you to be considerate.
As a matter of principle, I respect everyone's voice, no matter the content of their speech. However, I do challenge people when I think they are doing a disservice to themselves or others.
So, Roberta, of course you can say whatever you like as often as you like, but I think you do a disservice to your message. And I think sparring with someone as impotent as SS over that matter is beneath you and makes you look weak and vulnerable to his nonsense.
Cara (152.163.253.102)
07-02-2004, 06:36 PM
JD,
Maybe this is a "girl thing" but SS's posts that are directed at women come with a strong tone of condesending, callous tone. He is able to cause me to "spit nails" and I am normally not a "spitting nails" kind of person. I have seen him illict that same response in many women here. I have fallen into his trap a number of times and have to really purpose to ignore him. I think he tears at the essence of a woman who truly has found a strong walk with God. His words taunt our walk. I know for myself, I must stop allowing myself to be taunted!
JD Skeet (170.97.67.91)
07-02-2004, 07:01 PM
SS has only the power that you give him.
Anon B (205.188.117.20)
07-02-2004, 07:14 PM
Absolutely.
Cara (64.12.117.20)
07-02-2004, 07:18 PM
Yes, I agree.. I must inform my fingers!
Anonymous (4.139.15.65)
07-02-2004, 07:36 PM
SS claims to be objective about the issues at hand...I can think of another word "LUKEWARM"
muskyrose (64.12.117.20)
07-02-2004, 09:37 PM
Cara and all the other strong women out there, ss is nothing to be feared. In fact to understand him is actually quite simple. He FEARS WOMEN, which is why he demeans us. Hence he reduces us to "females" and tries to put us down by attacking our intelligence, belittling our walk with God, etc. It is a nothing but an act. A show.
He deflects with anything but what is the real issue. So Ladies, Women of God, don't spit nails or give in to his taunts. Realize that ss is just afraid. He's afraid of YOU, WOMEN OF GOD WHO HAVE A VOICE and are using it.
Roberta (141.154.144.33)
07-02-2004, 10:31 PM
Fears women....hmmmm. Once again my friend you have shed light into the darkness. Now that you mention it, it makes sense.
Rosie, you're a marvel and I am so blessed to call you friend.
Anonymous (205.188.117.20)
07-03-2004, 12:21 AM
RJ said, "I will post this wherever and whenever it needs to be and if it makes anyone angry I would question their love for children in crisis."
That statement has made you lose all credibility with me in this area.
Roberta (141.154.144.33)
07-03-2004, 01:29 AM
"So, Roberta, of course you can say whatever you like as often as you like, but I think you do a disservice to your message. And I think sparring with someone as impotent as SS over that matter is beneath you and makes you look weak and vulnerable to his nonsense."
Of course, JD you do have a point. I am not always comfortable with impotent men who just like to push buttons for the fun of it as SS seems to do. I apologise for my snappish reply to you this morning. This issue about the kids is something I am deeply committed to and I did overreact to your admonishion this morning. I, like Cara, deeply believe in some issues and find men who "hate women" as Bonnie puts it that like to demean women especially infuriating. Please forgive my bad attitude with you? I was taking out my frustrations by being rude to you and I would not do that by design.
Bonnie's explanation has put things in a better perspective for me, and I see that I was overreacting. I am sorry.
"And I will never ask you to be silent, but I will continue to ask you to be considerate."
I will remember to be considerate to others even though I am being goaded by an inconsiderate mysogonist. But JD...try to remember that it isn't an easy thing for some of us to do? Is it a deal?
Respectfully
Roberta
Roberta (141.154.144.33)
07-03-2004, 01:35 AM
Anon 205.
Please read the above post I just made to JD, and accept my apology for that statement. It was made in anger and frustration after being wrongly accused and then summarily dismised by ss. I see now the reality of the situation, that he really does "hate women" and likes to goad women into losing their temper to make them look bad. I am passionate about the cause of abused children and overreacted to him
I retract the statement, for I do not mean it, and hope you accept my apology for having posted in anger and frustration.
Respectfully
Roberta
Anon B (205.188.117.20)
07-03-2004, 03:57 AM
Roberta, it is obvious that you care deeply not only for the children, but for all of us.
JD Skeet (205.188.117.20)
07-03-2004, 06:08 PM
Good grief, Roberta, no need to apologize.
It is very hard to not be baited by people that would see us fail. It takes humility to truly succeed in avoiding being baited and humility is elusive. At least, humility is elusive for me.
Anonymous (24.88.43.233)
07-22-2004, 08:31 PM
Roberta didn't seem to post a mistake here:
Anonymous (4.156.99.218)
07-22-2004, 08:59 PM
Everyone who works with children in ANY WAY at GG is required to fill out the "pervert form." Yes, it is DR. LEWIS'S office that handles this. I personally know someone who was called by DR. LEWIS'S office to meet with him because she was a victim of sexual abuse as a child and they did not think she should participate in Bible Club for that reason. I am emphasizing this because someone said that it is not his office that handles this stuff. Yes, it is.
I called Dr. Lewis's office awhile back to discuss an issue that had come up regarding the Bible club I had been working in. Dr. Lewis'secretary told me that the forms ARE NOT PROCESSED BY ANY AGENCY because of the sheer volume of them and the $50.00 fee to process each form. This is not something that is widely known, she told me, but said that they are just doing the best they can.
I worked with kids at GG for 15 years. I was never fingerprinted. The forms do not go beyond some file cabinet somewhere in Dr. Lewis's office or some other office somewhere. And DR. LEWIS is the one who decides who gets to work with children and who doesn't.
Ironic, isn't it?
Anonymous (24.31.209.78)
07-23-2004, 05:15 AM
That isn't what the Mayors office said. Call them and ask.
Anonymous (24.31.209.78)
07-23-2004, 05:16 AM
The City of Baltimore said they process papers for GGWO for free. They have been doing it for years. You can call the city and find out for yourself.
Bob Brinton (151.203.152.166)
07-23-2004, 10:26 AM
Hey Neil, Roberta posted an apology a few posts up in this thread. Bob
Anonymous (24.172.44.98)
07-23-2004, 06:40 PM
OK, Didn't see it. Sorry. But I thought she was suggesting it was still hapenning. Maybe I missed something in the zillion threads.
Anonymous (4.156.99.169)
07-24-2004, 09:02 PM
Well, then, Dr. Lewis's office, particularly his secretary at that time, completely lied to me. I have no agenda here. I am simply telling you what I was told by Dr. Lewis's secretary. I certainly hope what you are saying is true. Where did you get your information, 24,31?
Anonymous (24.88.39.39)
07-24-2004, 10:58 PM
I got it from a person who helped GGWO and other churches get it down for free, who was confused that it was not based upon anything true. Which Dr. Lewis secretary? The ones I know would not have a reason to say anything like this.
You can call the Baltimore City Mayors Office and speak to the office that handles the Youth Division and ask to find out for yourself.
It is verifiable by the City of Baltimore.
Lori (141.157.83.195)
08-11-2004, 06:15 PM
I copied this from the first post
"Dr. Lewis's office goes over the forms and then meets with anyone who has filled out anything questionable. Of course, anyone can lie on this form."
is it Lewis who goes over these forms?
Anonymous (24.88.32.251)
08-12-2004, 12:08 AM
Try this again Lori.
The City of Baltimore made an agreement with local churches and other NPO's to do this for free.
Yes anybody can lie, but the FBI has some ok machines for tracking known sex offenders.
Lori (141.157.83.195)
08-12-2004, 12:19 AM
Yeah if it is reported, anyhow this thread is named correctly Lewis and perv
Anonymous (69.242.21.100)
10-27-2004, 05:57 PM
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