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Nancy Curra (151.196.140.208)
10-26-2004, 09:22 AM
This is so interesting.


Excerpt from http://www.watchman.org/profile/halwnpro.htm

The Irish also did something that has become the indelible symbol of Halloween in America - they made jack-o-lanterns. The original jack-o-lanterns were potatoes or turnips carved and illuminated by Irish children and used to light Halloween gatherings. They commemorated Jack, a shifty Irish villain so wicked that neither heaven nor the Devil wanted him. Rejected by both the sacred and profane, he wandered the world endlessly looking for a place to rest, his only warmth a glittering candle in a rotten potato" (Ibid.). Hence, the jack-o-lantern finds its historical place in the history and religion of the Celtic people.

Further, the same can be said for the use of orange and black as traditional Halloween colors. "Even the traditional colors of Halloween reflect its Celtic origin. Orange is the color of the autumn harvest, black the symbol of death" (Ibid., p. 30).

Another custom often associated with Halloween may find its roots in the religion of Druidism as well. Many children associate not only ghosts and goblins with Halloween, but also the witch and her black cauldron with it. There may be an historical reason for this.

Ross Nicholes, writing in Man, Myth and Magic states, "Samhain is a more mystical occasion, being concerned with the link between living and dead; the ritual is Breton and uses the cauldron, ancient symbol of the Mother, and the Four Foods of the Dead" (Vol. 6, p. 722).

Thus, on October 31st of every year, children throughout America carry on a tradition that was begun in Druid paganism. They carve pumpkins to be illuminated by candles. They decorate their homes and class rooms in the colors of orange and black, generously strewn with witches and cauldrons. They dress as spooky creatures, the living dead or in other macabre images for the evenings activities.

As they go door to door, gathering sweets, they exclaim "trick or treat", which sometimes includes the harmless activities of pranks. Many adults place a horn of plenty on the kitchen table as a fall decoration or enjoy a game of bobbing for apples at a party. All of these rituals find their origins and historical significance in the religion of old Ireland - the religion of Druidism.


Christian Response

Because of its Occult history and symbolism, many informed Christians avoid any activity that would appear to support, promote or celebrate Halloween. Other Christians attempt to minimize the glorification of Halloween's Occult roots by refusing to directly participate in costuming or activities where witchcraft, Satan, or demonic themes are prevalent. They feel that participation in Halloween and even trick-or-treating is acceptable if alternative costumes and themes are substituted or gospel tracts are given at the door. There is not total agreement among believers and churches concerning appropriate Christian responses to this pagan holiday. Knowledgeable Christians;at the very least they will certainly want to avoid Halloween's more obvious glamorization of the Occult. The Bible is replete with warnings and examples of involvement with the Occult. Occult practices are an abomination to the Lord (Deuteronomy 18:10-12) and Witchcraft was a crime punishable by death in the Old Testament (Exodus 22:18). The New Testament gives several examples of proper Christian response to the Occult (Acts 19:19; 2 Corinthians 6:14).

Many Christian parents and churches provide alternatives such as Harvest Celebrations and "Holy-ween" evangelistic youth rallies. Some churches provide prayer meetings on October 31st to stand against the rise of crime and illegal activities that often correspond on this night. Christians can also pray for the salvation of the many Satanists, Neo-pagans and Witches who are celebrating this day as an important religious holiday. Some Christians have also taken steps to remove the celebration of Halloween from public schools. Christian holidays that celebrate the birth of Christ or His resurrection have been discontinued from practically every public school system. Only Halloween with its themes of the Occult, Satan, and witchcraft (often recognized by the IRS as non-profit religious organizations) is allowed in most public school districts.

Some churches and Christians also celebrate October 31st as "Reformation Day." It was on October 31, 1517 that Martin Luther nailed the Ninety-five Theses to the door of the Wittenberg Church in Germany. This event helped launch the Protestant Reformation. The Reformation helped millions turn away from Papal authority and salvation through "indulgences" or good works and turn towards biblical authority and salvation by grace through faith.

Bob Brinton (141.154.150.219)
10-26-2004, 11:26 AM
I proposed on Halloween, on our way back from a blitz in Salem, MA. 'In the calm of the evening when everything is gettin' kind of groovie...'

Bob Brinton (141.154.150.219)
10-26-2004, 11:29 AM
Or was it 'still'? It's a bit early to be going senile.

Bob Brinton (141.154.150.219)
10-26-2004, 11:41 AM
Ah, no. I think it was 'kule'. This is called lack of sleep.

Bob Brinton (141.154.150.219)
10-27-2004, 12:49 AM
In the cool of the evening, when everything is gettin' kind of groovie; I call you up and ask you if you'd like to come with me and see a movie? First you say no! You've got some plans for tonight. And then you stop; and say. 'Alright'. Love is kinda groovie with a spooky little girl like you.

Anonymous (69.242.21.100)
10-27-2004, 02:50 AM
so whats the answer ..do you gg'rs and ex-gg'rs celebrate Halloween ?

RJ (151.203.157.69)
10-27-2004, 03:05 AM
Ex-gg'r here. If the kids come to the door I give them candy. The kids in this neighborhood are cute and so funny traipsing around in groups in the cute outfits. It is a fun little holiday for the kids, and I know of no one (parent or kid) who takes it seriously. Don't see too many kids dressed as witches or devils either come to think of it...*shrug*

I'd worry more about my kids being unsupervised by me personally at GGWO than Trick or Treating on Halloween. JMHO....

Bob Brinton (141.154.150.219)
10-27-2004, 09:00 AM
How about sending one of your kids around in Baltimore with a Carl Stevens mask and Bible accompanied by security people talking to their hands?

Anonymous (69.242.21.100)
10-27-2004, 03:54 PM
so you willingly know that Halloween is wrong and God despises it but you do what you want anyway ...you created a god of your own in your own heart ..but i expected this type of response from gg people since most are in the flesh ..its a carnally minded church

RJ (151.203.157.69)
10-27-2004, 04:37 PM
Anon 69 are you addressing your remarks to me?

Anonymous (152.163.101.12)
10-27-2004, 05:07 PM
Know what's really scary? What GG does to its followers.

Know what's really evil? The separation from God that the spiritual abuse by GG causes.

Know what God REALLY despises? Leaders, like those of GG, who spiritually abuse their followers.

If I had to answer to God for something, I'd take my chances with the Cinderella costume.

Plaid (66.91.59.248)
10-27-2004, 06:39 PM
Halloween, Christmas trees, Advent wreaths and candles, Easter being in Spring, etc...all these have roots in pre-Christian traditions. Big deal.

You know what's really scary? My kid getting a ridiculous Chick Tract in her t-o-t loot...she knows how to read now. Thankfully she also understands the difference between fiction and non-fiction.

Yes, my kids are dressing up, my oldest is going to be a spider and my youngest is going to be Winnie the Pooh. I'm more concerned with the chocolate hangover I will probably have the next day (All Soul's Day) than with offending God with a fun kids holiday.

Anonymous (64.12.117.12)
10-27-2004, 10:00 PM
Someone should dress up like Martin Luther, call the media and nail a copy of the Summary of Concerns Regarding TBS/GGWO on the door of the chapel. Reformation anyone?

Seriously, isn't delegated authority, geographical will and Bema seat presentation as bad as selling indulgences?

Doesn't Carl perceive himself to be the Vicar of Christ? Doesn't he profess himself to be the "supreme pastor and teacher of all the faithful"?

God's Word reveals that someone else already fills that position:

"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." John 14:26

"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth..." John 16:13

RJ (151.203.157.69)
10-27-2004, 11:00 PM
"Know what's really scary? What GG does to its followers.

Know what's really evil? The separation from God that the spiritual abuse by GG causes

I totally agree...well said!!!

Anonymous (69.242.21.100)
10-28-2004, 03:44 AM
halloweeners