Open Letter From Neil Carrick

[Neil Carrick (24.88.43.233)]

Dear Folks Reading This List & Leadership at GGWO:


I have not been posting here for a lot of reasons. That includes I don't need to have my name, my wife, my family or anybody close to me attacked by anybody spoken of in a way that is hurtful instead of helpful. I also have been given much advise on how it would be benificial for all involved if I left some matters and even some people out of this public discussion.

I have zero to gain by speaking well of anybody. The same is true of saying anything in a negative way. The things I say here I hope are for all involved not just some. But the desire of me to do or say anything is not based upon some benifit for me. If anything I have learned that any time I say anything here I get burned by all sides.

Let me make some points that nobody wants to deal with.

1. While it is incredibly obvious that there are real hurt folks posting on Factnet there is neither the focus or the substance, and especially the resources present to help people as a result of coming here. Yes reading, venting, etc may be of some help, but long term emotional and spiritual help for anybody who has been hurt will need to come from resources such as a counseling group with a funding source.

2. I earnestly believe that some good people on both sides are caught up in a name calling match. Christian leadership should never be caught up in such a matter. People who are grown ups in Christ should not be caught up in name calling. A congregation who has been under the leadership of a talanted preacher would not be caught up in name calling. Those who are hurt will even if they are smart, theologically blessed, and really balanced has a potential to say things that are wrong, mean spirited and way sinful simply as a reality of being hurt. I get letters from GGWO people saying things that include that may story is not true because of my reasoning and my emotions. Reality is that if anything my heart has been broken by those closest to me at times and nothing else could explain what I have said and done. Nothing. In fact no level of insanity could explain my thoughts other than real world events.

3. I have no Pastor Mike Marr for longer than I have know the ministry of GGWO. I have known Pastor Robinson since the earliest days of being at GGWO. I think both men are sincere in many, many ways. Beyond their faults they are sincere in things they have done. Scott called me not to long ago and it was only to build me up. It was not for his sake, his ministry or for that matter anything that moved on this planet except for me. He was kind and sincere. When I asked him difficult questions, he didn't try to lie away or apease me. He spoke the truth and to be honest it was hard to swallow sometimes. But I know he meant all of it for good. The same is true for Mike Marr.

4. I am furious at many people. I need to forgive them. But my frustration is heavy at the end of the day for those who do nothing! If you are in leadership and you are not actively seeking repentance and an attitide of reconcilation with those who are hurt I can clearly state you do not believe the book, and you do not know Gods heart. If you read this and get in the pulpit and speak agaist others here and yet take zero responsibility when nobody has publically repented or apologized for the church I say simply expect nothing to get better. God and the values of the scripture are not so easily dismissed. Carl Stevens has taught this for decades. I would suggest those on this list and those in leaderipn would be good to take some of their own medicine for once.

5. I have watched this unfold for months. Not a day passes where I don't think about people hurt and my many friends at GGWO. It hurts that there are people who refuse to be of one spirit. That includes those who attack others on both sides.

6. If you are posting here hoping to help somebody please avoid the mistake I made. I poured my heart out and eventually others started to use my own words to hurt people I know including my family. My wifes family went along with the idea of marking me based upon Gary Odahara's interpation of something Pastor said. Its time for this scenario to leave the house of Stevens and the house of Carrick. God is clear that he wants reconcilation not gray area counsel. When Pastors from any church say things similar to what was said to people in my family it is bound to confuse those involved. What other reason. I am a Baptist by faith interestingly enough and I can explain to a reasonable person they are responsible for their soul and the decisions they make. But I don't need to "agree" with them in any form to create a scenario where there family gets slaughted by the devil of some stupid issue. Such is the case here. It needs to end here on this board and at GGWO. Again live what you have been hearing for years and for that matter if you preach reconcilation you need to live by it.

7. No faithful Elder has been able to go to the pulpit and start reconcilation. I like most have wondered why. I know some things are not so simple. But if you say you honestly believe the book than there isn't a good reason to make it a habbit to say I am sorry often. You never know who you may have hurt. I am a minister and I have often learned that saying sorry now is better for those who listen and for me, than learning years down the road I missed the opportunity. How hard is it to have a heart of humility that is vocal if you have a heart attitude to begin with?

8. Nothing good will come of this board if everybody is on the attack. Put down your sword Peter... That includes you Pastor and you the hurt. Go to the true Good Shepherd and the true Teacher....Jesus.

9. Where is Safeharbor in all of this now. Weeks have passed and if Eric is serios by what he said to me and others he doesn't need GGWO. If Pastor Marr is serious he will say something publically this week.

10. Where is real mediation? If GGWO is serious it will say at least something publically this week. Time has become the friend of Devil in this matter. Maybe in this matter more so than anything else. If you want Carl Stevens to go to his grave and his last days (maybe years from now) with a honorable name in the Christian community you will be so proactive it is unreal. If 1/10th of the remarks I hear from GGWO folks is true about who Carl STevens is than Carl Stevens would be wise to do the things he can to establish the ministry before the Evangelical Community so that in unity of the spirit it will grow beyond his days. If I was Pastor I would make sure Pastor Marr is on the phone on stop, speaking in the pulpit, and writing, calling everybody in an effort to make tings right.

11. We did hire a lawyer. So what? I use lawyers all the time in my field. I do sub contract work for technical jobs. I do work with Real Estate and large companies. I can't avoid lawyers if I wanted to. Non of the folks here contacted me or the like about actually doing anything in a civil action except as a matter of curiosity or some small glimmer of hope.

I think it is like everything else on this board and the like. Those who are hurt, don't know how to react. They are scared. If you take advantage of that hurt than you are enabling the devil. You are being abusive and destructive.

I will be glad to place the letter of intent to settle or began an action on the web who would sign it? Who would go with me? Who would stand up and play hard ball? Who would use the measure of scripture and latter the law if need be to get something done?

12. Finally when my wife posted a couple of peopel responded. She was the one most hurt. Notg a single Pastor was brave enough to respond in a public manner to her. Forget me, how about people like her guys. Hey folks hey about you. How many people called her that have been hurt. Say zero. So much for a heart of reconcilation and love.

Pastor Stevens if you read this and find it painful or hurtful know I wrote it with you in mind. I care for you and hope that you care enough to do the right thing. That includes your home and ministry. I care for your whole family as well as mine.


Neil

Sorry for the typo's I am doing this away from my work computer.

[Anonymous (24.88.43.233)]

PS For those who haven't figured it out:

I am frustrated because nobody seems to go forward with actually achieving something.

Both sides seem more occupied establishing their case.

I want to see Christ in this. Not proof that so and so is such and such.

If you are hurt you don't care about the effort so much as you care about the day you can see the healing.

Keri and I have friends and family at GGWO. The answer is not to walk away but to be active and prayerful.

I am scared we are all to worried about making some point that will never allow us to arrive.

Neil

[Anonymous (68.33.184.79)]

Sorry Neil...people are interested in doing something, but not under the leadership of someone that is mentally unstable like yourself...It would be best for your family if you did not post here...people have seen what you are and will not act kindly..Go be with your wife ...

[SJ (205.188.117.20)]

68.33,
You are very unkind. Neil and his family have been through so much, and yet he still would rather see positive change happen at GG than see it destroyed.
Are you a psychiatrist, and qualified to declare someone mentally unstable?
Also, what "people" are you speaking for in your post? Please speak for yourself only. Myself and others that have posted are very supportive of Neil and appreciate his posts.

SJ

[Anonymous (4.139.90.188)]

Neil,

Is it possible to link the GGWO computer so that Factnet would appear on the monitors during convention instead of the usual "Pastor" Stevens worship?

That would be "awesome" baby!!

P.S. You sound like a really nice and peace loving guy. Your intentions are honorable; but PLEASE don't try to interfere with recourse these posters must take to avoid others from being hurt from this corrupt church!

[nonotone (24.211.177.206)]

Neil,

I know you from years back and love your servant's heart for Christ. God will not allow any weapon formed against you to prosper. Rest in God's Sovereign Grace my friend!

[Anonymous (24.88.43.233)]

To the poster at:
Saturday, June 19, 2004 - 05:36 pm

Please like I am leadership within this forum.

Sorry it just don't work like that.

I couldn't do anything without God and the desire of somebody to do it.

So please rethink your statement.

Neil

Phil 4:9

[Anonymous (207.44.134.33)]

I think the fact that somebody called Neil mentally unstable is proof of what is here.

Neil is right about the intentions of those here and leadership.

It is about name calling not about healing.

Go read how many so called caring people have treated Neil and Carrie in the other threads.

These caring, been through the trenches experts are calling Neil things on this board.

HELLo doesn't that ring any bells with those are reading this who understand how people have been hurt in the past.

I think some so called experts are the ones who learned behaviour from GGWO leaders.

Switch and Bait comes to mind.

Don't feel bad folks I have a background in this area and I showed up and posted. I must be stupid too.

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

Neil,
your family has been devastated by this.
It appears you have let you hurting state of mind cloud your better judgement.
Bottom line is this. GGWO politics negotiates only in black and white terms. Your either with Stevens or against him as demonstrated so many times by GGWO.
You need to quit telling everyone what your next move is. Do Not trust GGWO or their well seemingly intentioned followers however close you may have been. For that matter dont tell people who have made it out of GGWO.
Be the man that you have shown signs of being.
Protect your family. Get a better lawyer if you have to and get moving.
Time does not heal us. Jesus does.
There are times you need to employ the counsel of
a lawyer who may or may not be a believer.
There is a time for peace, God knows I wish it were for you, Keri and you little ones.
Sad and harsh as it may sound- there is a time for war.
You need to protect your family and confront the manipulation that you have all been through
with legal counsel.

[Anonymous (24.88.43.233)]

J,

I think we have followed the idea of counsel in all matters.

My lawyer and others have told me the same thing.

There is nothing wrong with saying what you will do legally if you are not happy with the present situatiion.

I have documents that were sent to me by Elders of the church. 40 some pages of fax a couple of weeks ago.

What is it you would like to show me? Or tell me that can beat up what I have seen with my own eyes on paper.

I can read, I can see signatures.

As my father says, if its good enough to be said, its good enough for handshake, its good enough to put on paper.

Neil

Who else has papers here from the Elders? Got docuements from the church, got emails from Pastors concering these issues?

I know I am idiot who cannot remember how to keep messages on my voice mail, nor respond to discussion. Ouch did I say that? Just letting you know

[Anonymous (24.88.43.233)]

After comments by the so called "here to help you club" I have to admit I am concerned that people are setting themselves to be hurt by writing people here.

Please be careful and prayerful.

Neil Carrick

[Anonymous (24.88.43.233)]

I have been writing on other threads.

I am saddened by what I see as atrtacks by those who said they were here to help and are really making amuck the whole board.

You thought I was bad. At least I am not writing on the name of God.

Neil

[Cara (149.174.164.83)]

I believe the individual should make their own choices. It may be that the individual needs a few questions answered or to find comfort from someone here that has posted their email address. They may need individual counseling such as Safe Harbor offers. If could be they are in need of sharing their story confidentally to someone. Roberta, Lee, Bonnie, Chris Brown and myself are trustworthy and can be turned to for help. The individual also may need exit counseling or have a close family member or friend in need, Wellspring is a well-known and esteemed facility for exiting groups such as GG.

I do not think any of us can take over and "tell" the individual what he or she should do. We spent years allowing others to control. I think we could offer options, make ourselves available and leave the rest for the individual to decide.

Cara


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telephone: (614) 698-6277
Contact: Dr. Paul Martin, psychologist and executive director

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[Anonymous (24.88.43.233)]

I have trouble understanding how somebody who speaks like RJ is trustworthy or more so how anybody who would use name calling is worthy of trust and help in healing.

Neil

[Anonymous (64.246.26.86)]

IT seems you folks are doing a good job of showing what you are like.

Marr must be loving this...

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

[PG (69.67.254.38)]

No one has every been helped by attacking a organization.

Some have said "that's just what they want....for us to shut up and walk away"

I get the picture from the bible that that may very well be correct. If someone has a problem with a ministry or its leader, they try to make their case to the parties involved. If there is no satisfaction, try to bring an elder especially an eyewitness. Still no good - you walk away knowing you were right and move on with you life. You continue to follow Christ, win the lost and serve others and humbly and lovingly as you can.
I do not believe that parachurch org's like CAN are biblical. Nor do I think suing other believers is a good Idea.
Somebody wrongs you...what does Christ say we're to do. I think you know.

For those who are serious, if the purpose of pursuing the church in some way is reconciliation then go for it. For others, make you case and walk away.

Just thinking...may add more later

[Anonymous (64.246.26.86)]

PG and interesting enough Pastor Marr have argued that:

That bible teaches that we are to use the example given in Matthew 18 I believe.

If after doing all three no luck you could pursue it with the courts.

The example I could best give is that divorce court is now criminal, it is a civil court.

I don't think a Christian lawyer who knows a women who has been abused would argue that she has to stay with her husband after she has tried everything under the sun to create reconcilation and he continues in abuse.

Would we not hold the same standard to a large ministry which hurts people even after they leave?

Fini

[KDuhamel (24.60.78.215)]

With all due respect, PG, I am honestly curious about your biblical understanding of a para-church. I remember Pastor preaching that these organizations were not biblical many years back. But it could be that he discredits them because they challenge him.

Does anyone want to comment on this issue? I have thought about it many times over the years.

-Karen

[Anonymous (64.246.26.86)]

CAN is run by George Robertson now. He is or was the Vice Presidnet of MBCS.

Technically CAN's name is owned by a Scinetolgy group.

There are many para-church groups that are anti cult that are legitimate Christian organizations.

I have become fearful of some however.

More Later,

Fini

[KDuhamel (24.60.78.215)]

Okay, CAN is suspect because of its affiliations. But Pastor Stevens has discredited all kinds of para-church organizations, beginning with the Christian Research Institute after their publication of the Martin report.

I don't remember his precise argument against them now, but I believe it had something to do with the fact that the Bible didn't show any examples of this type of organization. But I have been led to believe that the Bible allows for innovation, unless something is specifically prohibited. For instance, there are many kinds of outreaches now that would not have been imagined by the writers of the Bible. In terms of biblical principles, I see nothing about the concept of a para-church organization (i.e., specialized ministry) that should automatically be discounted.

-Karen

[Anonymous (24.88.43.233)]

I trust a lot of People.

George Robertson is not one of them.

Neil

[PG (69.67.254.38)]

Hi Karen,

As I said, I don't think para-church org's like CAn are biblical.
Meaning self-appointed watchdog type org's.
If churches did their job in equiping people properly, they'd be able to discern funniness, wierdness etc....especially false teaching or at least unbalanced teaching.
Now, that being said, I also think its always best for ministries to be part of a Church.
Although para-church, may mean along with the church.

Some could argue that these org's are neccesary for the very reason I just said.
Problem is, who are they accountible to, and how does the average person verify information they dissiminate.

Now here comes the anticipated objection...who is Pastor CHS accountible to? The elders. Who are they accountible to? God! Then, a great system of Matt 18 is in place for the rest of us.

God is very wise.

[SJ (205.188.117.20)]

PG,
CAN as it exists today is definitely not biblical since it is controlled by Scientologists.
It is not really a "Cult Awareness Network", it is just a front for an organization that protects cults and is run by a cult

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

PG,

For being a pastor of GG you know very little about the operations of GG. Pastor is accountable to no one. The elders are accountable to Pastor not to God. They have proven that with their actions over and over again.

Mt18 has been proven over and over again not to apply to GG, as is true in any abusive fellowship or cult group.

Either you are duping us with this nonsense or you have duped yourself.

If Pastor was accountable to elders do you really think they would have allowed him to speak this morning looped on drugs? The only person in control at GG is Pastor but he is spinning out of control because of drug abuse. You need to take a hard look at what you are defending. You are being played the fool by the elders. Really, pray about this!

[PG (69.67.254.39)]

I have heard that it has a lot of scientologists on board.
I'm not sure how it protects 'Cults' though.

[PG (69.67.254.39)]

205.188
Now here comes the anticipated objection...who is Pastor CHS accountible to? The elders. Who are they accountible to? God! Then, a great system of Matt 18 is in place for the rest of us.

...I should add when I say accountible, in the context of the discussion -biblical accountability.
I am not involved with the church gov't in Balt.
I'm speaking in theoretical, biblical sense.

What makes you think I'm a pastor??

[SJ (205.188.117.20)]

PG,
It protects cults by misleading people and giving misinformation to people that call the CAN hotline. If you research it and check out the links given on this board about Robertson and CAN, you will even see how he traveled with scientologists to where anti-cult speakers had seminars and threatened them and sabotaged them. The new CAN wants to promote religious freedom only so the cults can operate without any interference

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Am I right about being a pastor?

And why would we be dealing in theories here and not the realities?

The reality is there is no accountability whatsoever at GG and that is what got us in the current mess in the first place.

[PG (69.67.254.39)]

OK, so It protects cults by misleading people and giving misinformation to people that call the CAN hotline.
I would love to go link by link and find some crack...can you point to a specific issue of misinformation that they distribute.
(I'm not being jerky here, just really trying to stay objective)

[SJ (205.188.117.20)]

PG,
Here is another excerpt from "Scientology's Revenge" (www.holysmoke.org/cos/revenge.htm)
-----------------------------------------------
An energetic woman in her 40s, O'Meara explains the new CAN's mission as helping to dispel fear and misunderstanding about unconventional religious groups.

"When someone calls about Scientology -- and they do -- the first thing I tell them is, 'Oh, listen, don't get upset but I'm a Scientologist. We need to talk.' " She presides over a cramped one-room office on the fourth floor of the Taft Building, rising at the southeast corner of L.A.'s most legendary intersection, Hollywood and Vine.

The room is almost bare, except for some folding tables, a few phones, a computer, and a fax machine. On a wall is a map of the United States that shows the locations of academics and other experts to which O'Meara and others who answer CAN's phones link callers needing more information. The list is a who's who of what the anti-cult movement would describe as cult apologists: Maloney, Shupe, J. Gordon Melton at UC Santa Barbara, and a dozen others, including CAN's very own Robertson. Listening to her, one gets the impression O'Meara has never met a cult she didn't like. The new CAN takes pains to avoid even the use of the word "cult." "It's a pejorative that's lost its meaning," she explains.

Such a view appears incongruous for a group whose name, after all, is the Cult Awareness Network. But there's a strategic reason for it. "The name is a service mark,"

O'Meara says. "We only use it to keep it from going back into the public domain."
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If you research the new CAN or the Foundation for Religious Freedom on Google you will find all kinds of answers about the misinformation they distribute. It is too much to even fit in one post

SJ

[Maria T (141.157.99.97)]

To: "205" who posted at 11:20 p.m. Sunday 6/20
and I quote:
"If Pastor was accountable to elders do you really think they would have allowed him to speak this morning looped on drugs? The only person in control at GG is Pastor but he is spinning out of control because of drug abuse. You need to take a hard look at what you are defending. You are being played the fool by the elders. Really, pray about this!"

I heard every single word spoken from Pastor Stevens today while he was in the pulpit. You are WRONG "205." I'd like to see your medical expertise...are you a medical doctor, or a licensed nurse capable of making such an assessment of someone's medical condition like that??? Excuse my sarcasm for the rest of the decent people that do post here. I don't care that I am "pro" GGWO..,.like I said before, I speak the truth, and, "I call a spade a spade"..when needed.

For those of you on the forum who want to hear what really was going on today at GGWO, opening day of Convention 2004 ....Pastor Carl H. Stevens wasn't "looped on drugs" today during any time he spoke. Sorry "205" but you way outstretched the truth on that one. My my my, one post slanders Pastor Robinson for his supposed "puppet like devotion" to Pastor Stevens...another thread is now going after the Hadley Family...the Lang/Stevens affair is no longer under the blood of Jesus Christ (and we have Louise's adamic nature to thank for that one---way to go Louise...thanks now for opening up old wounds......may your trash be aired publically too one day, you know..."do unto others...)" ......so now, we're back to Thread #1 stuff again...."Pastor the druggie"....

Somebody challenged the Hadleys on the other thread as to how they could look in the mirror...geez thats my number one thing on this board to say and someone stole it...but used it with the wrong people!! I ask you, "205" how YOU can look yourself in the mirror and stand before God...posting LIES and LIES and LIES....
Its getting old!! Why don't you spend your time ministering to people that are hurt here on the forum???? Surely ministering Christ would be far better than spending time thinking of ways to tear down someone's character...and that my friend is LIBEL what you posted. All the warnings from JB Skeets you ignored...and with a traceable IP number from AOL it wouldn't be that hard to track you!!

By the way, I spent 20 minutes on the phone with Pastor Stevens yesterday while he was on his way down to the outreach meeting on Saturday the 19th. He had NO EVIDENCE of drug addiction/abuse or that he was "buzzed" on pain pills. His speech was not slurred, in fact it was quite crystal clear, his sentence structure was grammatical, 100 percent coherent, and appropriate. There were no "lulls" in the conversation (as if someone was at a loss for words like drug addicts usually display).

He also spoke to my roommate as well on the phone because she hasn't been able to get out to services/raps with her leg still being broken. She too noted here were no "slurs" in his speech, we both heard only complete clarity and soundness of mind in his being able to express himself. The same soundness of mind exhibited today Sunday the 20th during the services.

AND THE SAME SOUNDNESS OF MIND AND CLARITY OF SPEECH HAS BEEN WITNESSED BY BOTH OF US SINCE SOMEONE (JB AND SB) STARTED THIS TRASHY LIE HERE ON THIS FORUM AND REPEATEDLY KEEPS BRINGING IT UP, SO I WILL REPEATELY KEEP POSTING THAT THIS IS A BUNCH OF LIES.

AND, I AM NOT A "STEVENITE" OR A "GGWO GROUPIE" OR A "DECEIVED FOOL" OR A "FOLLOWER OF A MAN" OR "SOMEONE WITH MY THOUGHTS CONTROLLED.."...ANY OTHER NAME SOME OF YOU CAN COME UP WITH THAT YOU WANT TO CALL ME IS FINE, BUT I SPEAK MY PEACE, TRUTHFULLY. I DON'T MISCONSTRUE FACTS, I DON'T TELL LIES, AND I DON'T TOLERATE PEOPLE BEATING THE HECK OUT OF OTHERS LIKE I'VE SEEN LATELY.

REMEMBER IT WAS ME WHO ALSO CHIDED PASTOR TEDDY FOR HIS POST...NOW IF I WAS A GGWO THOUGHT CONTROLLED PERSON AS SOME IMPLY PEOPLE THERE ARE...I WOULD HAVE OFFERED TO KISS PASTOR TEDDY'S RING WHILE HE WAS TELLING PEOPLE HE WAS GOING TO "BEAT" THEIR "ASSES" -- I STAND FOR WHAT IS RIGHT BEFORE GOD, NOT FOR ANY MAN/WOMAN/MINISTRY IN PARTICULAR.

As far as my "qualifications"...and my capability to "judge" someone's supposed use of drugs and assessment of their medical state, I am a licensed nurse with experience in this area. My roommate, Nancy, has been an RN for 33 years, 1/2 of that time she has worked in Drug Rehab, and part of her job as a nursing supervisor is to assess patients on Admission, and also during her shift time. We are both quite capable of discerning "drug addiction" tendencies. When you are surrounded by patients of this category for that many years on a consistent basis, one is well able to discern someone in the same capacity.

For anyone else who has to see things for themselves, the entire convention services can be viewed on the internet, go watch for yourselves and make your own judgements...and after you view todays service and can truthfully say "Maria" was right, then have the decency to post it here!!!! Why can't we "end" this ridiculous barage of posts that Pastor is an old man, incoherent, a druggie...etc. Have some kind of respect for the office God gave him. Have some respect for yourselves too and post whats true and honest before the Lord. You wouldn't want someone talking about your friends like that, would you? I don't.

http://www.ggwo.org/tv

check it for yourselves.
Maria T

[Anonymous (216.127.78.98)]

Maria,

I know you mean well but really you are contradicting yourself.

Why? Why not just tell people what you think and leave here.

Hope you have a great night and morning.

[Maria T (141.157.99.97)]

Perhaps 216 because of the same reasons the others post "contradicting" themselves and won't leave either.

If my post was contradicting tonight it was due to fatigue. I haven't changed once time since my initial posting on how I see things before God. I never once said GGWO was perfect. All churches have character flaws in them. I just stand up for what my convictions are before the Lord. Its the best I can do.

You're entitled to your opinion, but I just won't "post" and "leave."

Maria T

[KDuhamel (24.60.78.215)]

Thanks, PG. You've given me a lot to think about. I want to look into the matter further. I do think some organizations like the Watchman Fellowship are used greatly by God. I know they've helped me very much.

-Karen

[Anonymous (24.88.43.233)]

As a rule I will live by the only place I am going to post is on this thread.

I will be leaving contact information here for our lawyers in the next 48 hours for anybody who wants to help us.

Regards,

Neil Carrick

[Anonymous (207.44.134.33)]

Neil your an idiot.

Mike Marr would have you for lunch.

Go ask Steve Stevens. The love talking about.

Go ask Steve if he thinks his dad is ever going to change and if he personally supports a third party coming in.

You are so decieved.

[Anonymous (64.246.26.86)]

Why pick on Neil? That is RJ and others job. Not yours!

[Anonymous (64.246.26.86)]

Can we gewt threads like this off of here?

I rather red something like the Lang fun.

[Anonymous (141.154.144.33)]

.

[Anonymous (24.88.43.233)]

Not much has changed has it?

Same ole folks saying same ole mean things about GGWO people and each other>

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/sad.gif

[Anonymous (68.33.184.79)]

blah

[Anonymous (151.196.137.80)]

nope, not much has changed at all.

[Anonymous (68.82.183.197)]

do something Satan doesn't want you to do tonight....PRAY

[Anonymous (141.154.144.33)]

Anon 68...do something we want you to do....stop screwing up the board and go pray

[Anonymous (69.242.21.100)]

penny lane