Paul Stevens is a relationship counselor

[Anonymous (207.96.37.198)]

This is an exerpt from an earlier post..." Paul Stevens who ABUSED THE OFFICE OF MARRIAGE COUNSELOR WHILE HE WAS COUNSELING THE WIFE OF ANOTHER MAN. He did not so much as take a breath before, during or after the affair in teaching his "Relationship" classes, from preaching, from doing conferences, from hosting "Grace" Hour or any of his pastoral duties..."

Paul S. "counseled" other wives...he counseled a battered woman to take her husband back...then that guy got hired as a security officer. Is that another payoff? Does Paul have bodyguards?

[Anonymous (69.242.21.100)]

for of this sort are they which creep into houses and LEAD CAPTIVE silly women laden WITH SINS led away with DIVERS LUSTS ever learning never able to come to the knowledge of the truth -2Tim3:6-7

[Anonymous (63.27.16.206)]

Was that a rhetorical question?

If not, the answer is "NO WAY!"

[Anonymous (67.243.240.20)]

For as much as Paul Stevens claims he has repented, he has not produced the fruits of repentance, and I don't mean teary eyed sermons to display how humble and broken he is or wants to appear.
Paul should do what the scriptures suggest someone guilty of destroying anothers family should do and have the integrity to step down.
Also he should admit what he did without excuses or casting blame on others. After all he is physically an adult, though he has used his dads influence and manipulation to hide from accountability.
It is quite apparent that one reason Paul will not step down is that the money in Christian pastoring can be pretty good when you start your own church with a number of people from your previous hurch who are ready to support you with tithes and offerings.

[Anonymous (216.183.184.253)]

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[RJ (151.203.157.69)]

Paul is the product of probably THE most dysfunctional family unit on record. It makes sense that he is not qualified to pastor, to counsel or give relationship advice.

It is my wish that he would stop being a pastor, get as far away from his father as he can get, enroll in a proper theological seminary that teaches healthy Christian doctrine, and get some personal and marriage counseling.

There is no way that he can possibly be a healthy husband, teacher, pastor, son, father etc etc at this point. For those of us who realize how messed up we were when WE left GGWO, it must be worse for him, especially if he does not yet realize how dysfunctional he truly is having been brought up in that household.

Paul also cannot be blamed for not completely understanding the depth of his problems at this point. We who have had even the slightest amount of exit counseling can attest to the fact that we needed help and were not necessarily aware of just how much...how much more does Paul need it now.

It has become my daily prayer that Paul hear the Holy Spirit that is telling him he needs to quit the pastorate for his own sake and the sake of the believers in Aberdeen and his family and go away for help. There is a wonderful place he go for an initial few weeks to get some serious exit counseling. Then he needs therapy, a proper education of some kind and maybe then he may be able to break the unholy bonds his father still has on him.

I know personally how difficult it can be to turn away from toxic relationships, even when they are family that you love. But sometimes it is necessary if you are ever going to heal.

I am praying fro you Paul.

[Anonymous (65.234.189.15)]

Paul needs to quit and submit to real accountability through legitimate pastors and counselors. A good model can be found in the book Restoring the Fallen: A Team Approach to Caring, Confronting & Reconciling
by Sandra Wilson. Here's a description:

Description: When Christians fall into sin, how can we restore them? How can we bring them back into the fellowship with more than a superficial apology? These are vital questions, but so often churches stumble at this critical point. Either we ignore the wrongdoing or we banish the wrongdoer. The authors of this groundbreaking book provide a new model for church discipline with the spiritual care team, a small group of mature Christians who voluntarily commit themselves to support and guide a person with special spiritual needs through a process of restoration. In these pages you will find practical guidance on how to form a spiritual care team, how to support the spouse and family of the person being restored, how to integrate professional helpers and the church into the process, and how to provide ongoing care when the main work of the team is complete.

Barbara from Blankinship ( Reviewed on September 16, 2000 )
Product Rating: 4.5 out of 5
Comments: "Earl Wilson shares, from his own experience, along with his wife and two couples from the restoration team, the value they found in a caring team of Christians supporting Earl and his family. There is emphasis on the fallen, on not just being forgiven, but being wholly honest to himself and others, and then taking the time to be fully restored, and not just reinstated. It urges confronting, in love, to be sure the person will know that they will be held accountable, and to help them to stay on track. Although this book deals with sexual sinning, the principles are applicable to other sinful behavior as well. The last paragraph was disappointing, and seemed, in some ways, to contradict the theme of total honesty precluding full restoration, but overall I liked the book a lot."

[Anonymous (67.243.241.229)]

Good idea but good luck in getting through to Paul. Paul has ALWAYS been resistant to any teaching originating from a woman teacher, no matter how good it may be
Paul is stuck on his misinterpratation of the Corinthian verses about a woman should NEVER taech a man.

[Anonymous (70.17.234.137)]

Let's not forget that Paul is not the only one at fault in this issue.
I am not defending him,what he did was wrong, very wrong, but as my Grandmother used to say "Honey, it takes two to tango!"

[Anonymous (141.154.152.25)]

Hey, he could have just gone on line and played with himself. He didn't have to drag someone else's wife into it.

[Anonymous (68.33.226.196)]

No...you need a warm body for some real fun

[Anonymous (141.154.152.25)]

I'll bow to your experience.

[Anonymous (152.163.101.12)]

Isn't it nice that a bunch of anonymous posting *******s have the right to judge paul's life and be God for him now.

Other than RJ who posts her name, none of you have the balls to speak up and say this **** to his face now, do you, but its ok anonymously to spit your bull**** all over this forum now isn't it, because "nobody" will really find out "who" you are.

Since you are all so spiritually perfect now, why don't you just get in your cars and drive your asses up to Aberdeen Thursday night and tell Paul to his face just how you really feel. Or are some of you some of the ones that still go to Carl's ministry one night and Paul's the next just to lie in wait for more "dirt" to share?

Get a freaking life of your own and stay the hell out of his business. You all make me sick you sorry bunch of losers. Who are you to decide whether someone has repented to God or not? Do you walk in that man's shoes? Do you think the thoughts he thinks all day long? How dare you be the judges and juries of people on this forum.

Thats just more bull**** you learned from the pulpit. How to tear someone down. How to malign their characters and cause people to question where someone is at spiritually. Shall we commend you for "doing it right"???????

Who's the ****ing pig that had to say something about going online and playing with himself? At least I'm backslidden and don't give a flying **** about any of you on here, sure beats going to any church with the type of christians you are posting on here.

GLAD I"M ALONE AND AWAY FROM ALL YOU MF'ers!

By the way I already got the factnet award of the year for my language. Its no different from the crap you post on here whether you use the "F" word with it or not. But you lousy bunch of hypocrites who never fell into any kind of sin will find a reason to say something about me now, so go ahead and make my day you sorry bunch of *******s.

[Anonymous (152.163.101.12)]

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[Anonymous (69.143.68.103)]

Can a child molester be forgiven by God? Of course! Would you want that person to babysit your children, 152.163.101.12? Probably not. What would you say to someone who said to you "Who are you to decide whether someone has repented to God or not? Do you walk in that man's shoes? Do you think the thoughts he thinks all day long? How dare you be the judges and juries of people." (These are your words.)

Can an accountant convicted of embezzling money be forgiven by God, without going to jail? Of course! Would you be the first in line to hire him or her to manage your financial affairs? What if they approached you in a humble or broken manner and said they had suffered greatly and just wanted to dedicate their life to their family and God? What would you say to people that are critical of this accountant?

I am not equating Paul with a child molester or even a crooked accountant. As a pastor, though, he has a lot of responsibility for MANY people other than himself.

The issue here is not whether Paul is forgiven by God. I know he is. It is not whether or not Paul is forgiven by the people he has wronged. I'm certain that there are many that will forgive him if they haven't done so already. The issue also isn't whether or not he is solely to blame for his role in the Lang affair.

The issue is whether or not he is capable of leading a flock of believers. Part of his job is to teach men and women how NOT to have an affair when faced with temptation.

Would you forgive a habitual drunk driver? I know a few and I think they are some of the most wonderful people on this planet. But I wouldn't let them drive again unless they went through rehab.

Being a pastor is a little more important than driving.

Boss Martian

[Anonymous (4.156.99.218)]

Amen, Boss Martian. Well stated.

[Anon Brief (64.12.117.12)]

Exactly.

[Anonymous (70.16.29.239)]

I believe that Paul is getting counseling and you are right, if you do not want to go there because you think he should not be preaching, you shouldn't go there. But, your opinions about him mean nothing. Stepping down is not in the Bible. I pray that God will heal him totally and use him by His grace as we all want the same.

[Anonymous (4.155.236.67)]

Yeah 70 I agree 100 percent with you on that one.

[Anonymous (24.58.114.87)]

There is always healing found at... http://liquidwaves.blogspot.com/ but it'll cost ya!

[Anonymous (4.155.236.127)]

Sorry, Boss, I also agree with "152" that people need to just leave Paul Stevens alone and let him live his life before God and not in the fish tank you all keep trying to drown him in on this forum.

You go overboard Boss on many issues and I see the same IP numbers slamming the heck out of you.
I liked 152's statement that they didn't give a flying **** what people thought about what they wrote. It is getting old, a lot of this stuff about Paul Stevens is repeated over and over and over again. Apparently GOD has allowed him to start a new work and if it is GOD that judges our hearts and our heart motives, then people do need to leave the man alone and let him move on with God as he desires to do.

Like "70" said, stepping down isn't in the bible.
So, "70" we are about to be slammed now by Boss who has convinced himself that he is now the
2nd spokesman on here next to Jeannie Byrnes who runs her fat mouth on here like she owns Factnet...hiding behind her AOL IP number!!!

Sorry, Jeannie you don't know me anymore either and you never will know my identity until you and your partner "Boss" let up on your "crusades" -- not "all" about GGWO is bad. Some of the leaders are for sure. Others are just dummies that don't know anything more than what they are told by the others. (Speaking of the elders now). Some are being blatently lied to and others are blatently lying. You and Boss both need to quit playing God. You've made your point. Sad to say, 33000 posts later and for whatever reason, God still has CHS on the throne in Baltimore and now Paul on his mountain up north.

You yourself said, Boss, that you would go up there and see Paul yourself. Was that to pacify those who take up for him on this forum so you'd have a few days of peace and not be hassled?

I'll bet my last nickel you have yet to go to Havre de Grace to speak to Paul. I'll even make it easy for you for tomorrow nite. Take "95" to Exit 89. Go East on Rt. 155. Stay on 155 east close to 2 miles watching the green street signs, until you see the one for "Graceview"...Turn left onto
Graceview and follow the signs for Finished Work Ministries they are small yellow with black writing on them. When you reach Lagaret street, turn right. There is a community center there, the road dead ends at the center. You can't miss it or you are dumber than dumb (LOL).

The church will be there tomorrow nite (Thurs).
Starts at 7:00 p.m. don't be late. I DARE YOU to follow through. Frankly I think you're a bag of hot air with nowhere else to blow it out but here on the forum. Gee whiz you owe people that trip up there Boss. You should put your money where your mouth is.

I myself haven't been to the services there, but like Jeannie Byrne I have much access to inside info only I have a better source than she does.
My wife. It wasn't too hard to find out where Paul Steven's church is having church this Thursday night. In fact, I just got told there is a recording on the phone at the office there which does tell people where his services are being held. Someone told me this today. Guess I know why now, Boss. It was for you!!! Way to go Jesus!!!

[Anonymous (69.143.68.103)]

Glad to know I'm making a difference in your life, 4.155! If I'm going overboard, I guess I must be doing something right. So I appreciate the validation you give me. Sometimes I feel like I'm wasting my time here until someone like you makes it all worthwhile. Way to go, Jesus!

Overboard? I haven't gone far enough!

It is people like YOU that have enabled the crap at GGWO to go on for so long. But a new day is coming! GGWO is crumbling! The days are numbered, my friend.

I love it when you GGWO zombies say "Well God has kept Carl Stevens on the throne in Baltimore, so He must approve!" Well, Factnet is going strong, people are leaving GGWO, and leadership is being called to task. I wonder what God's feelings are on that? I also like your choice of words. Carl is definitely on the throne. He is being worshipped as a king.

Jeannie Byrne and I aren't partners, homey. I just happen to think she's a fantastic person who got out of a terrible situation. She also cares about the people that are still in. She is a friend.

And as far as Paul Stevens goes, the ONLY reason I entertained the idea of talking to Paul Stevens is because Roberta said I should. I don't think I have anything to learn from him. He is a product of GGWO. That's all I need to know. What is he going to tell me? That I'm right? Please.

Boss Martian
Is feeling self actualized.

[Anonymous (141.157.95.45)]

The service is at 7:30 p.m., not 7:00 pm. I thought Jeannie was a friend to Paul and Barbara. I saw them at a service once. Are you a friend, Jeannie. I know Paul and Barbara think you are.

[DC (207.156.7.90)]

"Apparently GOD has allowed him to start a new work and if it is GOD that judges our hearts and our heart motives, then people do need to leave the man alone and let him move on with God as he desires to do."

GOD allowed Joseph Smith to start Mormonism
GOD allowed Muhammed to start Islam
GOD allowed Charles Taze Russell to start the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society

Does that make them right? Major logical fallacy.

[Jeannie (64.12.117.12)]

Absolutely a dear friend of Paul and Barbara's! I know what they have been through, how they were betrayed by their own family and closest friends. I know how hard it is to exit GG and I can't imagine the painful decisions they had to make because it was not only their church but their family! Paul is just like the rest of us.. processing. He is the only one of the inner inner circle elite that tried to help his dad. I and everyone else knew what was going on before the intervention. They pressed Paul to do something and when he did, they all abandoned him. He is the only one out of that circle to stand up for Jesus Christ and NOT Carl Stevens/GGWO. And just writing this brings back for me all the outrage I felt when this transpired!

God Bless Paul and Barbara and anyone that stands with them!

[RJ (151.203.157.69)]

What does being a friend to Paul and Barbara have to do with anyone attending or not attending Paul's church, 141?

I am Paul's friend, have tried hard to support him with emails and prayer...all I can do at this point...but deciding if I am his friend or not based upon if I go to church is foolishness.

[Anonymous (24.172.44.98)]

RJ,

There is no way you are a friend to Paul Stevens.

If you mean what you say by your comments than you are a heck of a better foe than friend.

Maybe in some weird way you wish the best for all people but hoping he walk away from his call, his ability to support his family, and service to both the church of Christ, and to his God shows your inability to believe people can be redeemed of the circumstances of their lives.

I think what Jeannie has written expresses the heart of a believer. I wish you could follow in her footsteps.

Everybody doesn't need to follow others into Pauls Church just because they are his friends. I live 9 hours away and cannot go to any church near Maryland. If I was there I would certainly go the church Paul leads now and then.

BTW Keri and I were counseled by Paul after our split. He was darn good at what he did, he was very competent, frankly most LSW, Psysch's, and licensed Counselors could not touch Pauls abilities.

The most troubling thing in the whole scenario with GGWO and my marriage is that those who were speaking to Keri and I that were in leadership did not use rational and reasonable methods. The two major exceptions were Paul and Pastor Robinson. Pastor Robinson was given marching orders not to cousel my wife and me.

Keri and I can give blow by blow comments on what Paul did when we saw him.

Just as a side note Paul is very much a reader and studies like few people I know. he takes his gifts seriously.

I did hundreds of hours of couseling for grace hour when I was on staff. The majority of people who did it with me when I was 28 years old, were less trained than me. Paul is one of the few people who understood the methods and the practices in the field.

Must of what I read about Paul here is at best incredibly subjective and not based upon anything other than 2nd, 3rd, or worse information about him.

Maybe those who belittle him need to ask themselves if they would like to spoke of in the same way.

Neil

[RJ (151.203.157.69)]

Neil

You have misconstrued what I mean.

I have known him for years. I love Paul and have wanted nothing but the best for him. There is a time when people leave traumatic situations that taking a breather to regroup can be beneficial. I had hoped he would step back for a bit for his own sake and that of his family to rest, be alone with God, get some counseling and additional education for his own edification, because I care about him.

It had nothing whatsoever with leaving his call.

Twenty years ago when I was in Bible school he was a great encouragement to me, and to my husband and I. I know a lot about what he has been through and want only the best for him.

"frankly most LSW, Psysch's, and licensed Counselors could not touch Pauls abilities"

Being good at what he does is not the point. But Even licsnsed counselors take downtime and seek counseling if they are truly gifted, because they know that doing so is good for their own souls and peace of mind, plus good for the people they are helping.

Your not understanding me is not unusual, but Paul knows I want only the best for him, for I have told him so and that is what matters. His decisions about his life are between him and God of course, but as someone who cares I worry for him. And I make no apology for that.

No need to continue to argue the point. Your animosity toward me seems not to have changed and so be it. Paul knows how I feel about him and Barbara and Natalie and what is happening.

Think what you care to, Neil.

[Maria (141.157.75.113)]

Dear Jeannie and Roberta
I loved both of your heart expressions for Pastor Paul, Barbara and Natalie. I too am a friend to them, I don't know them as well as you both do, I didn't have the "history" that you all have had with him. However, I find him to be sincere, forthright, committed to changing, committed to the Lord, with a zeal and a love for His Lord that blesses me.

I find no "pressure" from him as my Pastor. In fact, attending a much smaller church is so much nicer, you get to bond with people quicker. I see the move of the Holy Spirit in his services, I have been blessed each time I have gone there.
Through this trial my family is going through with my sister having Stage 3 colon cancer, my Pastor (Paul) has been a wonderful friend and support. There are things I won't share that are personal for my family only, but I can attest that God has used him immensely with my family through this time. In fact, LOL I should let him know that, I neglected to tell him so.

As we all know there is a major difference when one surrenders their lives truly unto the Lord and then are led by the Holy Spirit day to day than from someone who just goes to church to play church.

RJ you are right. You don't have to go to Pastor Paul's church to be his friend and a friend to his family. Praying like you have done is the best gift any friend could give to another friend when heart motives are right before the Lord. When we can look past ourselves and see someone else's needs and then lift those needs up before the Lord rather than kicking and kicking at someone who is doing all they can do to stand before the Lord, I believe then that God is pleased.

We all need true godly friends and there isn't anyone who can dispute that point (at least I would hope not).

Jeannie I see you took a pistol whipping today. Been there and have had it done to me. Don't pay any heed to it either. Everyone has their opinions. I don't share that person's opinion of you. I have come to know you somewhat through this time but I don't believe what "4" posted is what truly lies in your heart. Many of us on here know that too. You are well loved.

Maria

[Maria (141.157.75.113)]

Dear Boss
I don't know what to think anymore, some of your posts are so terse lately. The one you wrote today showed no mercy, humility....it was kinda on the arrogant side.

So what if RJ suggested you go see Pastor Paul for yourself. You know, I think you should also since you seem to have such an issue with the man. Even biblically he has supposedly offended you, so now it is on you to go and make it right.
Don't pass it off saying he's a product of his father's kingdom or whatever you said. Since he doesn't post on Factnet you can't address him on here and expect a reply, but since you so deeply go after him with such a harshness in your posts, then why not go up there and face to face TALK to the man.

Perhaps there are things that you haven't seen because you are unwilling perhaps to see them?

You aren't the only person on the face of this earth that has had to make a new start with the Lord. I even shared this with you via email awhile ago. Remember I suggested you bring your girlfriend up to Pastor Paul's for a visit for you both to see for yourselves what is going on.
Hearing things from me and others who go there won't ever satisfy you. It wouldn't satisfy me!!!

I realize that poster may have angered you that you responded so arrogantly back to him. Pride comes before the fall, and you aren't any different than anyone of us. However, you still are on the outside looking in...what would it hurt besides a bit of your time for you to go there and see things for yourself, even if you didn't talk to him the same night. You have the same Holy Spirit we have, can't you discern whats of God and what isn't??? Sure you can...if you are truly led by the spirit of God.
Same for all of us, that was not in any way a put down or any kind of implication that you don't live a spirit led life. I wouldn't even go there, you and I have had a good rapport by email and I would like to keep things that way.

Maria

[MARIA (141.157.75.113)]

RJ
Don't let Neil get to you. It isn't worth all we went through before with him to resurface.
love ya sis!!

MARIA

[Maria (141.157.75.113)]

Dear Jeannie
That poster ("4") addressed you on this thread, but your reply to them was on the other one so I re-posted it here for them to see it.

I agree with what you wrote, they are obviously angry and processing through things.

Maria
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Jeannie (64.12.117.12)
Thursday, October 28, 2004 - 10:06 am
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Dear 4.155,

I appreciated what you wrote (even your anger towards me.) Why? Because your anger is normal. You do have a lot of information and sources 4.155. You seem to be saying you have family within and family who are out. I remember how much energy went into figuring what is truth and what is not. Plus, your eyes have been opened to a lot of stuff that is contrary to how you always viewed this church. And trying to sort out where God is in all this mess is a very difficult task. And it is a damn mess and you have a right to be angry about it. 4.155, what you do not realize is your posting reveals to the rest of us is you are processing your exit. You are leaving GG and none too happy about this major change in your life. You can vent at me or Nancy or Boss or Guy Duff but you are really angry at the mess and where is God in all this.

You are right about one thing though, I am a nobody. I was a nobody at GGWO. And in the GG economy there was an elitist status system and you keep referring to it, probably without realizing it. This is not about people; people within or people that have left. It is about a false system. Except for the elite few leaders who perpetrate spiritual abuse, we are all equal. We were participants in a counterfeit system. I view even those who remain in the same category... believers to whom the Holy Spirit is drawing out of GGWO. How long it takes or how they process it is not for me to judge. I feel that way towards you 4.155, just a fellow believer going through a hell of alot right now. As my dear departed dad would say "you got a tough row to hoe".. we all do.. But "bog nyosh" "God knows, God knows" (my very bad Russian phonetic translation)

Jeannie Byrne (with no "s" ... 27 years in the ministry and Pastor never got our name right!)

[Anonymous (141.157.75.113)]

Dear Jeannie
I am going to rebuke you right here and now in front of EVERYONE on Factnet so make sure you are sitting down with your pen ready to write a reply!!!

How dare you say you were a "nobody" at GGWO!!!!
Shame on you!!!
You my friend are a precious child of God, and you are also precious in his sight. Just because neither of us had official staff positions didn't mean we were nobody's at GGWO.
You have amazing gifts and I am sure over the years there God used you to minister to people hurting there. Weren't you also on the mission field? Now thats something I haven't done (health reasons) but to me, laying your life down to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ to this lost world says a lot for someone's spiritual character. If you didn't care about people being saved and added to GOD's kingdom, you wouldn't have been on the mission field then, would you have?

Please don't ever refer to yourself in that manner. God loves you, you are so special to Him. Precious in His sight. It doesn't matter what man thinks of us, what matters is what HE thinks of us. We know from His Word what HE thinks and says about all of us.

So take your hiney whooping here my friend!!

love ya
Maria

[Jeannie (64.12.117.12)]

Lol Maria!

In the GG economy I was a nobody, as were you Maria..lol

We live our life onto God, through Him we are somebodies and then we know all the nobodies are somebodies too.

BTW, I did hear an elder say after my husband went to Pastor that we were just minor players and didn't matter... that is the GG economy not God's.

[Anonymous (24.172.44.98)]

RJ,

Paul did a lot of things to step back from a situation or two.

I think it would be unfair that your far off thoughts are some how good counsel.

I will say it again. I am not there, and you are not there. It makes no sense for us to act like we know what is best.

Yes the best take breaks, but the best also know when not to take breaks. When they are needed and when God is doing something that may be a major break through for those who share in the work on the field.

That's all I am saying RJ. I think you should respect that.

Neil

[Anonymous (67.242.153.199)]

Maria,

Thank you for your post.

Short answer: There so much spying, political intrigue, backstabbing and power grabbing going on right now, I really don't want anyone so closely tied to GGWO seeing my face or knowing my real name. I have a LOT more freedom while I'm anonymous.

I'm here because I'm sick of spiritual abuse and I've seen what it does to people, first hand.

I'll let some time pass and see how Paul's church goes for a while.

My only real concern about Paul's church is ex-GGWO people going there and thinking they're in a safe situation. I am VERY concerned about one person entertaining the idea of going there. In my friend's case, my advice to her would be not to go there. If you asked me for advice, Maria, my advice would be for you to not go there. But that is your choice.

Time will tell how Paul's church will pan out. Once GGWO is out of the abuse business and the dust settles, I'll come out to Aberdeen. But I would be very careful.

You have a good heart, Maria.

Boss Martian

[Anonymous (152.163.101.12)]

Maria
Where are you attending service now?

[Maria (141.157.75.113)]

152 I have been going to Pastor Paul's church in Havre-de-Grace. However, I have lately had to make several trips out of town up north because my sister just got diagnosed with stage 3 colon cancer which has spread to her lymph nodes. She is currently undergoing chemotherapy if everyone here could please keep her in your prayers. And, no, she doesn't go to a GGWO church in CT where she lives in case people were wondering.

In lieu of the above trips, I've been out of town and missed most of the last month of services except for last Sunday when Pastor Paul was away. The trips have taken quite a toll on me physically, I have had days of unrelenting sciatic pain with maybe a 36 hour break in it and then it starts all over again. I "paid" for it again yesterday trying to do too much around the house and as a result missed last night's service there.

I know that God has called me to Havre-de-Grace, in fact, it actually happened last March but someone from Baltimore ministry tried to prevent me from going there and I was stupid enough to listen to them and not pray about it again like I should have. Factnet opened my eyes to the wickedness of that person that tried to stand in my way. It was someone who hated Pastor Paul. Boy was I dumb!!!

As long as the Holy Spirit is leading me to go there, then I will be a part of the new work going on there.

Boss, thanks for the reply note. Don't wait too long to check out Aberdeen church. You may be pleasantly surprised at what the Holy Spirit shows you. You may in fact end up having it as your home church. I know your concerns. Thats why I didn't tell you or anyone else to take "my" word about it, to go there led of the spirit and see what the Holy Spirit reveals to you. If everyone else on here were to consider doing that (being led by the Holy Spirit) (and not just speaking in regards to checking out Havre-de-Grace ministry), there would perhaps be less hateful posts on here. We all need to do that....to be led of the Spirit of God within us each day. We are all however at different stages of growth in the Lord and at different stages of dealing with our anger in regards to the things the leadership of this ministry have done to many over the last 35 years.

Maria

p.s. Boss you have a good heart also, its evident that you care for your friend even though you get angry inside and its sometimes reflected in your posts by seemingly being arrogant and crude. I know you better than that just from your emails.

[Anonymous (67.193.44.79)]

Neil,

It is probably a very good thing that most licensed counselors, psychiatrists, or Licensed Social Workers don't counsel like Paul does.

Qualified and credentialed counselors are taboo in Greater Grace.

Over the years I have listened to Grace Hour, and on a number of occasions attened his "classes" I never heard such lame ass advice.
It often appeared he was winging it by citing scripture passages (just like dad).
The guy often seemed distracted as if he could not wait to get back to playing Fantasy Basketball on his laptop. Which he does a lot.
Read some of his "doctrine booklets". They are written in the same formula as dads.
Boss Martian nailed it down I would not want an ex-child molester teaching my children, so as I would not want Paul Stevens marriage counseling my children.
Yes, and enforced stepping down is in the Bible.
Ist Corinth 5;11 says you must "not associate with a church member who is ...sexually immoral...dont even eat with the guy....expel him from among you". GGWO has no stomach for doing such a thing because Paul knows too much dirt about others in the so called church.

Telling Paul he should step down is like telling a child molester he really should not teach kids but hey since that is what he was trained to do lets have compassion on the guy and let him promise us he wont do it any more.

Saint Paul from the scriptures was a bit more realistic than you when he said he disciplined his body so that he would not be "disqualified" (1st Corinth 9:27)

[Anonymous (141.157.75.113)]

Wow 67 you really demonstrated the love of God and the compassion of Jesus Christ in your post now didn't you. Should we be impressed?

What does it matter if someone plays "Fantasy Basketball" on their laptop. I play Spider Solitaire -- 2 hands -- on mine when I'm bored.
And your point?

So, Paul gives out "lameass advice" in your obviously holier than thou opinion???

yeah, I Cor 5:11 says you don't eat with fornicators. Well, you "lameass" you don't obviously know God's word well enough other than to suit your legalistic self. The man repented.
God no longer remembers his sins. Its not up to you to determine if he repented or not, or which date he did it or not either. Whatever happened to Gal 6:1??? Where the hell is your christian compassion lest YOU fall in the same thing yourself judging someone else.

I pity you. You cheapen the grace of God applying it soley to those you find worthy of it.
Go back into the hole you crawled out of you worm.

Maria T