Will the REAL Butch Veader please step forward

[Mike (155.188.255.3)]

PREACH !!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous (68.34.76.34)]

Let's see, the real Butch Veader who asked for Pastor Reed to give back his ordination, because he asked Pastor to stop talking about past issues?

[RJ (151.203.157.69)]

Butch? Preach? No thank you....

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Unfortunately Butch has taken on evil spirits during this past year. The Veader family needs our prayers.

[Anonymous (63.27.26.110)]

Taken on or manifested those lying dorment within his soul until recently?

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Hummm, I guess only God knows the answer to that one!

[Anonymous (69.143.68.103)]

Taken on evil spirits? How convenient to blame evil spirits. What about responsibility for one's own actions? Would you claim it was evil spirits if you saw a perfectly healthy man panhandling for money? Would you call it evil spirits if a man robbed a bank? How about if a man sells heroin? Uses heroin?

How about people standing up and taking responsibility for the bad things they do? How about people not making excuses for the bad things that others do? I think that GGWO is in the situation it's in today at least partially because people have made excuses and held no one accountable.

Boss Martian
Smashin' the palace like a son of Samson

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Tongue-in-cheek humor Samson, Veader is so out of control it is downright demonic.

You are correct, he is responsible for his behavior.

[Anonymous (207.96.37.198)]

Is Mike Veader, the security guard, related to Butch Veader with the evil spirits....

[Anonymous (68.34.76.34)]

yes, brothers

[Anonymous (152.163.101.12)]

What a bunch of short fat ass losers!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous (68.33.70.187)]

VERY SAD, BUT THE WHOLE "V CLAN"... EVEN THE BABES HAVE BECOME DIVISIVE. IT'S ALL ABOUT PASTOR-WORSHIP. IF YOU DON'T BOW TO THE PASTAH, YOU ARE AS GOOD AS DEAD TO THEM. NOW THAT'S THE HEART OF GOD.... OOPS! NO IT'S NOT.

[Anonymous (80.221.67.118)]

How is Marty doing?

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Just like Butch. He went off the deep end this year also.

[Anonymous (207.96.37.198)]

What about the "V-clan babes"? Do you mean the wives? How are they divisive? Isn't one of them the director of the daycare?

[Anonymous (68.33.70.187)]

SHE WOULD MOST LIKELY TELL YOU PASTAH IS IN HIS PRIME, AND HAS NEVER PREACHED BETTER.

[Anonymous (207.96.37.198)]

Do you think Suzanne Veader is brainwashed? Does she approve of the staff having weapons around the children?

[Anonymous (63.27.4.171)]

The Veader "men" have a Napolean Complex and behave as if they are still "Southies." Go back to Revere boys and leave that nasty cult behind!

[RJ (151.203.157.69)]

Suzanne? Mike's wife? Yes. Most assuredly.

[Anonymous (68.33.70.187)]

LOL...LOL...LOL

[RJ (151.203.157.69)]

We have amused you. 68? (did you bring cheesy poofs?)

[Anonymous (68.83.101.114)]

It may be fine to slam the Veader clan here, but I have seen the boys in action in years past and their martial arts moves are legit. I certainly wouldn't want to go up against them, and I am trained in martial arts myself.

Just walk carefully, that's all...

Wouldn't want to see anyone get hurt.

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Wise words. There is truth and there is truth with discretion. It is wise to allow the Holy Spirit to illuminate our written words here. I have been pressed by the spirit to not incite the Veader clan. There is nothing more dangerous than a mind-controlled fanatic whose world is spinning out of control.

[jf (66.90.181.249)]

3. Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, <FONT COLOR="ff0000">not a brawler</FONT>, not covetous;

[Anonymous (152.163.101.12)]

Thank you Jim! And amen!

[Anonymous (207.96.37.198)]

"There is nothing more dangerous than a mind-controlled fanatic whose world is spinning out of control."

I think GGWO leadership sowed the seeds of its own destruction is choosing the "bully" Veaders as pastors/elders/armed body guards... As the more reasonable and mature people leave, the passive folks left will be easily intimidated by the strong arm tactics used to keep them in the pews.

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

butch is nothing more than a thug from revere who played softball with pastah and probably sucked pastahs cock to be a pastah himself

[Anonymous (68.34.76.34)]

205.188

Are you having a bad day, week, month?

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

suck on a pigs cock 68.

[Anonymous (68.34.76.34)]

Nice..guess we can't joke around with you.

[Anonymous (68.83.101.114)]

It is really too bad that so many people that call themselves Christians, can come to this board and use language that they certainly wouldn't use around their friends, let alone in church...

We are called to walk with the Lord above these issues and above this type of talking...

Remember, Jesus said that as a man thinks in his heart, so is he...
Basically, garbage in...garbage out...

Everyone needs to take a deep breath...exhale and pray for God's guidance and wisdom in all of these matters...

It is ok to vent, just vent to God...

Let us ALL consider every word we speak, as though we are speaking directly to the Lord...

May God Bless you all!

[Anonymous (68.83.101.114)]

!!!

[Anonymous (141.157.73.153)]

Well "68" I guess you shut them all up!!

[M.D, (141.157.73.153)]

Butch Veader is nothing more than an egotistical bully. I heard he was a candidate now for eldership. Is CHS that insecure that he has to have more than one private "bully" up there to protect him??? Its not like anybody is going to take a gun and go after the poor sickly old man.
Nobody would want to spend years in jail doing that, he's not worth that much of our lives to do something that stupid.

Thinking it? Yes, I am sure people have thought of it as a payback for what he has done to them and their families over the years.

Doing so...nah. Like I said nobody would be that stupid or desperate.

However, the thing that gets me is the stupidity of the elders (and YES they are STUPID) even considering Butchie boy to become one of them!! ALL of them. CHS's butt kissers that of course, they cater to their "mastah"...their "pastah".....and his iron ruling fist. I'd expect to see Butchie in
leadership which he has always strived for by the first of the year. After all, don't they have to replace Paul now???

It amazes me how much **** about Butch gets swept under the table, from his days of his lordship type leadership overseas in Austrailia to his dictatorship style teaching at MBC&amp;S, his childlike antics and tantrums in the classrooms over the years were pathetic and used to put the 'fear of God' in the students he taught. It didn't get anybody's respect like he wanted either. The students mocked him even more and deservedly so. The elders have to be deaf, blind and dumb if they even consider him to be one of them, just because CHS demands it be so.

Why don't they have Bill Ensor as an elder????
Afterall, he's got the bucks to keep the church running, word has it he can be easily "bought."

Well people still at GGWO, you suck ass loyalists, what have you got to say now in defense of dear sweet butchie boy???????

ROTFLMFAO

p.s. I know judo and karate butchie, Mike taught me well. I still don't use it as a power play to buy my way up the spiritual ladder of life.

Hey maybe CHS will use all three stooges...Marty, Mikey and Butchie. 3 morons for the one job!!!!!!!

M.D.

[Anonymous (152.163.101.12)]

Oh my gosh MD you are so stinking funny!

The 3 Veader stooges!!

I love it!

[Anonymous (141.157.75.113)]

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[Anonymous (80.110.198.64)]

Are you guys talking about the Marty Veader who used to live in europe with his wife Susanne... for the greater Grace church??

[Anonymous (212.38.225.101)]

No, must be his brother.

[Anonymous (68.160.173.189)]

I can't imagine how any of your criticisms and slanders could be taken seriously. Which of you claim to be Christians? Do slander and accusations come from God? Are any of your judgements constructive in any regard? I'm glad you all think that you're tough taking potshots from the safety of an anonymous public forum. There's nothing like the empowerment of internet anonymity to bring out the worst in people; every spineless whiner gets a soapbox. I love the hypocrisy, quoting bible verses one minute and saying people "suck cock" the next. If any of you had any backbone you would say these things to Pastor Butch's face (or whomever else you felt like taking shots at) instead of gossiping and complaining like 13 year old girls.

[Anonymous (64.12.117.12)]

Your attempts to discredit those who are trying to expose the spiritual abuse of GG and Carl Stevens won't work. Readers are smarter than that. Nice try, though.

There are many people here. All are reacting to what has been imposed upon them by this fraudlent ministry. At times it is downright ugly. While ugliness is not encouraged or condoned, it is understood. It comes from the hurt and betrayal caused by GG.

What is not understandable is your failure to open your eyes, use your brain and listen to the still small voice. You must hear it, otherwise, why would you be here?

[Anonymous (68.160.173.189)]

I'm not defending GGWO or Stevens. Don't act like this thread is constructive in any way, shape or form. If this is about exposing atrocities in GGWO, so be it; I've read other threads to this effect.

But read over this thread. Don't try to justify it. It's people using a legitimate forum to deface a man and his family. Yeah, real heroes of the faith. Tell me what in my previous post isn't legitimate.

No, wait, my eyes are open. This thread must be the voice of God speaking through a bunch of internet-addicted adolescents. I just didn't know that God's word was so vindictive and carnal.

Readers are smarter than that (or maybe they're not). Nice try, though.

[Anonymous (205.188.117.12)]

It might not be pleasant or polite or Godly, but it is what happens when people are repressed, oppressed and suppressed.

This is exactly what in your previous post is not legitimate:

I have not criticized the Veaders.
I have not slandered them.
I am a Christian.
I am not 13 years old.
I am not a girl.
I do not behave like a 13 year old girl.
I am neither internet-addicted, nor adolescent.
I have never called a name or used profanity on this board since I have been posting.

If those who post anonymously are "without backbone", why do you not use your name?

In truth, everybody here gets a soapbox. Everyone from "spineless whiners" to blind followers.

FACTNet is a legitimate forum being used to expose a spirtually abusive organization. It is a painful, sometimes ugly process.

God bless those who have gone, are going or will go through it.

[Anonymous (68.160.173.189)]

Dude, unless I missed something you haven't even posted to this thread yet so I wasn't even addressing you.

I'm addressing people who say things such as:
"butch is nothing more than a thug from revere who played softball with pastah and probably sucked pastahs cock to be a pastah himself"

I'm not sure if you're insinuating that I'm a blind follower from:

"Everyone from 'spineless whiners' to blind followers"

or if you were just making a blanket statement, but for the record I haven't even said where I stand, you must have been making assumptions.

Also, I never said that there's a one-to-one correlation between those who post annonymously in general and those who have no backbone. I simpy was saying that it's easy for people to mock Butch Veader behind his back on an annonymous forum. I was answering the post's of those who were spineless and posting annonymously as opposed to calling all who post annonymously spineless. Get it?

I'm not going to waste any more time with this. If anyone considers taking any of this tripe seriously, all I have to say is consider the source.

[Anonymous (67.243.240.188)]

Butch Veader is the same lackey who Carl Stevens had call Grace Hour and ask a rehearsed question that Carl wanted to answer but nobody really cared about (except Carl).
Of course Butch made up a ficticious name, but all of us who were working in some capacity on staff were aware.

[Anonymous (4.156.99.233)]

To answer someone's question awhile back, yes, Marty Veader and his wife Sue were in Austria many years ago.