Why waste my sunday morning listening stupidity

[Anonymous (63.27.26.182)]

Repeat this verse 5 times and then you will find out who is going to hell?????????????
Am I going to waste my sunday morning for that?
Come on people, let's do someting fruitful with our sunday!

[rj (141.154.144.33)]

amen

[Anonymous (68.82.183.197)]

which verse?

[Anonymous (63.27.86.202)]

Another sunday is coming up!

[Anonymous (69.242.21.100)]

be in church on sunday

[Anonymous (63.27.88.74)]

But NOT Greater Grace World Outreach Baltimore unless you want irrational rantings and displaced worship!

[Bob Brinton (151.203.187.4)]

This Sunday morning, I'm sitting here at the computer listening to Simon Rattle's performance of Beethoven's Ninth. I was at a fellowship thing last night at the Herrings' house. The message was on Nehemiah 1. There is some degree of spiritual upheaval in the church I normally attend, with people leaving and such. I won't go into details; but any who feel led can pray. Wouldn't it be nice if Jesus would come back now and clean up His Church; I mean us? I get really tired of the degree of flesh and of the world that's in the Church. If I feel grieved over it, imagine how God feels. He knows how bad I am too. I don't use language like this here, but the flesh really sucks.

[Anonymous (4.156.100.66)]

To the person who posted at the beginning - he said we should read the verses 5-10 times and we would know who is going to hell.

If it didn't work for you it's probably because you only read them 5 times. LOL

[Bob Brinton (151.203.187.4)]

What if you read them 5-10 times and found out you were going to hell. Would that mean it was predestined? Or maybe it was predestined for you to read the verses and now it's predestined for you to join the ranks...which ranks? Choose you this day who you will serve...Oh, sorry; you don't have any choice.

[Anonymous (24.88.32.251)]

There is no such things as predestined to find out that you were not predestined to find out out there is no predestination.

Maybe not, I am not sure.

[Anonymous (69.242.21.100)]

looking at the times stamps i see none of you are in a church but just here to cause trouble

[Nic (149.174.164.83)]

"Choose you this day who you will serve...Oh, sorry; you don't have any choice."

Good point, Bob! You do make me laugh sometimes

[Anonymous (63.27.31.47)]

Apparently YOU aren't in church either 69 and based upon your judgemental attitude it would probably would be of some benefit!

[Bob Brinton (151.203.187.4)]

Actually 69, I consider myself to have been 'in church' last night, even though it was in someone's home. The early churches often met in homes, and not always on Sunday mornings.

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

And - believe it or not - some churches have - more than ONE service (GASP!)

[Anonymous (62.121.45.91)]

How was the service?

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Great. How was yours?

[Anonymous (63.27.3.159)]

Apparently NOT at GGWO 205.

Another question, WHY do they insist that people attend GGWO TWICE on Sunday? And don't give me that "faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God" excuse! WHY?

[JF (66.90.181.249)]

Look at Deuteronomy 30 and see to whom "choose you this day..." was addressed.

[Anonymous (63.27.3.159)]

Thanks Jim!

[JF (66.90.181.249)]

Heard CHS lit into one of his own elders, naming him, this AM from the pulpit while this elder was away. Seems the elder had confided in CHS privately that he didn't want to send his kids to GGCA and was going to homeschool them instead. Now CHS is saying that HE is the superintendent of GGCA as well. Anybody remember Idi Amin Dada?

[Anonymous (63.27.3.159)]

Remember similar "leaders" like: General Agosto Pincochet from Chile; Adolph Hitler of the Third Reich; Joseph Stalin of the USSR and Somoza of Panama?

[JF (66.90.181.249)]

I meant always assuming new titles. Most High Lord of the Admiralty, etc. Carl likes titles too.

[Nic (64.12.117.20)]

Jim,

"choose you this day whom ye will serve" is Joshua 24:15, and Joshua was speaking to Israel. In Deuteronomy 30, Moses was speaking to Israel when he said "therefore choose life."

So what is your point?

[Anonymous (63.27.6.133)]

Think that "insight" about Stevens' love of titles belongs on the 'SURVEY' thread with a BIG letter C beside it for a vote of "INSANITY"!

[Anonymous (69.242.21.100)]

bob brintons church =someones house where he spent the night ..

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

That was uncalled for, 69.

[Anonymous (63.27.9.68)]

69 must be suffering from a chemical imbalance!

[Anonymous (63.27.9.68)]

How was Greater Grace World Outrage this morning?
Did "pastor" provide any more "anointed" entertainment? Do tell...

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

See post this thread by JF 7/8 @6:08 pm.

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

JF, re; your posting of 8/8 at 6:08 pm

IDI AMIN "DADA" appointed himself "president for life" in Uganda about 1974.
He fled during a military coup years later to Saudi Arabia where he died last year. It was reported by the United Press International that he would not recognize the things he commited as evil even to his dying day. He was one looney character with some of his pronouncements not unlike Carl H. Stevens with some of his insane comments.

[JF (66.90.181.249)]

Nic, precisely. Israel.

[Loretta J. Willits (149.174.164.83)]

No Christian compassion here, is there? You people are real sickos. You definitely are prejudiced against the elderly. Well, one day you will be old and I wish for you three times over what you wish for our Pastor. I hope you meet people just as prejudiced against the elderly as you all are. What a bunch of mean-spirited, name-calling rotters you are. How do you get your jollies, stomping on your grandmother's grave?

The Lightning Rod

[Bob Brinton (151.203.163.79)]

I spent the night at home, lying next to my wife Mary. We've been married since 1977, and I've never gone out on her. Your accusation, 69, is not only against me, but my friend LuAnn. And her husband was home, by the way. None of us are physically attractive enough for you to be having fantasies about. There's plenty of porno on other web sites for you if that's what you're after. And I doubt it is.

[Nic (64.12.117.20)]

Jim,
You always speak against dispensationalism and say that God does not have a different plan of salvation for Israel and the church. So are you now saying that Israel was able to choose for or against God, but in the church age God has already chosen who will go to heaven or hell?

[JF (66.90.181.249)]

Converted people are able to choose God and to serve him.

[Anonymous (68.82.183.197)]

Go and do something satan really doesn't want you to do today and pray instead of spending time on factnet.

[Nic (64.12.117.20)]

Jim,
You said
"Converted people are able to choose God and to serve him."

I don't understand your reasoning. How was Israel converted? You have always said that people are dead in their sins, and dead men can't make choices, and the Holy Spirit has to regenerate people to make them choose for God. But in the Old Testament, the Holy Spirit did not regenerate people because it was before Christ's death, so how could Israel be converted?

[Anonymous (70.16.31.66)]

do it yourself "68" and save your breath for prayer.

[JF (66.90.181.249)]

Nic, John 3 "are you Israel's teacher and you do not know these things?"
See Deuteronomy 30:
6 "Moreover the LORD your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your descendants, to love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul, so that you may live."

The Holy Spirit has always regenerated people.

[Nic (205.188.117.20)]

Jim,
Isn't it true that the Holy Spirit could not indwell people until Jesus paid for their sins on the cross and was resurrected? I was always taught that the Holy Spirit rested on people in the Old Testament and indwelt them in the New Testament. So how could they be regenerated before the cross?

[JF (66.90.181.249)]

Nic,
How is he called the " Lamb slain from the foundation of the world?" See Gen. 3:

"And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."

This is the protoevangelion. Why would David pray:

"Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me?"

There is in all of scripture only one way to be saved, and that is by regeneration.

[Nic (205.188.117.20)]

He was the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world because God knew He would be slain, and God lives not in time but eternity.

David had the Holy Spirit's presence but not His indwelling. He couldn't indwell people before the cross, because sin wasn't paid for yet. In John 16:7 Jesus said "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you."

[Anonymous (70.16.24.72)]

Pastor never named the name of any elder sunday morning. He brought up the situation of the person not putting their children into GGCA this year but would rather homeschool them. He did say he is now the superintendent of GGCA.

Please post what is true here ok? People watch the service on the internet and many posting here watched it and they can attest that what I just posted is true.

Pastor named NO names. Period.

[Anonymous (70.16.24.72)]

Go into the online library and access the message yourself.

[JF (205.174.22.26)]

How then, Nic, do you think people were saved before Christ died?

The scripture does not say "God knew he would be slain." It says the "lamb slain from the foundation of the world."

You are reading into what the Psalm means as well.

[RJ (141.154.144.33)]

Anon 70. Although Carl named no names didn't the congregation know who he was talking about, nevertheless? It is an old technique carl is famous ...infamous....for. Accusation wrapped in innuendo...

BTW, what ever happened with all that anyway? Is there now a new admin of the school? I care mostly because my goddaughter attends the school, or she did.

[JF (205.174.22.26)]

And even if Carl named no names, he still betrayed a confidence, which is common with him.

[Anonymous (63.27.21.132)]

He has betrayed a confidence of mine too...BUT... now I think he's just a feeble minded old man that is a type of "Queen of England in Parliment" figure. You know, figurehead with no power...however, SHAME on the elders who keep enabling his delusions and are NOT keeping him on a leash! I truly believe Stevens' doesn't know up from down at this point in his life BUT the elders DO!

[Anonymous (63.27.21.132)]

He just needs to retire!

[rj (141.154.144.33)]

" I truly believe Stevens' doesn't know up from down at this point in his life BUT the elders DO!"

I totally agree.

[Anonymous (68.82.183.197)]

do something Satan doesn't want you to do tonight....PRAY

[Anonymous (63.27.73.102)]

Is Stevens' still doing those after, after raps at Duncan Donuts and do people ACTUALLY go to listen?

[Nic (205.188.117.20)]

Jim,
People were saved before Christ died by faith in the future Messiah and how He would pay for their sins, and the animal sacrifices they made were a type of this.

But the Holy Spirit didn't indwell believers till after the resurrection.

John 7:39 "But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing in Him would receive, for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified"

John 14:17 "the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot recieve, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him, but you know Him, for He dwells with you and WILL be in you"

[Anonymous (149.174.164.83)]

I don't think he is doing any late night raps but maybe some right after service

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Many times he is not at raps

[Anonymous (63.27.5.212)]

A friend of mine attended a rap at Duncan Donuts the other day in Baltimore and Stevens was there, that is his body was there.

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Which Dunkin Donuts is that?

[Anonymous (63.27.8.143)]

On Bel Air

[Anonymous (68.82.183.197)]

wow I didn't know how effective this was when I asked people to pray. Moving up the line...

[Anonymous (70.16.16.206)]

RJ:

Re: Monday, August 09, 2004 - 08:20 pm
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Anon 70. Although Carl named no names didn't the congregation know who he was talking about, nevertheless? It is an old technique carl is famous ...infamous....for. Accusation wrapped in innuendo...

BTW, what ever happened with all that anyway? Is there now a new admin of the school? I care mostly because my goddaughter attends the school, or she did.

**There are a number of elders on board so nobody's confidence was specifically broken. He didn't name anyone's names and since there are more than one elder with kids at GGCA, maybe you should call your God-daughter's mother for the gossip. She may have had a premonition from God while sitting in her seat Sunday morning as to Exactly which elder he was speaking about.

And, he does know his "ups" from his "downs." If you were in the congregation Sunday night you would have heard him crystal clear. His thoughts were right on and his message was powerful. Same as it used to be. So stick that one feather where the sun don't shine baby!!

[Anonymous (70.16.16.206)]

"JF"

You better find better sources in Baltimore, yours obviously don't tell you the truth entirely. No names were mentioned from the pulpit. I was there, but I shall,like others, protect my identity...for fear "they" shall know me....(scoff...snort...cough...snort again....).

And if anybody is senile its you, not him. Why don't you drive/fly up from Texas where you sit on your throne (which is probably the Bemis toilet from the other thread)??? Or are you afraid that "Carl" -- (which you so rudely call him,) that after all these years HE could actually teach you something profound from the Word of God??? I doubt you truly could learn something from him, considering you still live in the spiritually choking world of Calvinism (did you learn that doctrine from Calvin and Hobbes comics???? or did Neil teach you that line of crap you call spiritual wisdom for your life, you know the stuff you try to shove down people's throats on a daily basis??? Did you get that from Willie Wonka too the other nite???)

When you come to Baltimore, JF or whatever your name is, then you can dare to criticize someone =
last time I looked there was a verse in the bible about touching Gods annointed and doing his prophets no harm. You mock his name and you mock his office as a Pastor. You have no respect for him and yet your "testimony" states you yourself pastored a church while under his covering years ago. Maybe its time for you to get a revelation about respecting a man of God. If he is "off" as you say, isn't God capable of dealing with those that are "off"?????????

After all, you choose to play God dictating to people here the phoney baloney stuff you pass off as bible doctrine!! Gee whiz maybe I ought to go to Bible College so I can be as smart as you have become. Can you recommend one that teaches your Calvinistic way of thinking so I can understand why I would NEVER want to believe that line of garbage???????

Ahhh...to be free in Grace...thru the Finished Work at Calvary. There's nothing like it, JF. Come and swim in our pool for awhile, it will cleanse you from the cess pool you swim in now!! The water's pure jump on into the Grace pool!!!

I invite you all to come. See if you can keep your eyes on the Lord and not scruitinizing every single GGWO service from the internet looking for fault from a man who laid his life down for over 40 years to preach God's word. How dare you criticize him when you sat in those very same pews yourself. You argue all the time about GGWO doctrine being a doctrine of the devil, or "Carl's made up teachings." Well, JF there are many out there whose lives have been changed and touched by the messages God imparted to that man, and no matter what you say you will NEVER convince me that he teaches contrary to the Word of God. I've spent decades in this ministry, and even though I missed the "pleasure" of meeting you since you left prior to my arriving, I'm the one with no regrets that God led me to serve in this ministry. I'm also sorry you have yours.

[RJ (141.154.144.33)]

Hey JF! 70 hates us both....how cool is that? *LOL*

[Anonymous (68.33.96.167)]

Hey RJ,
70 seems to hate a lot of people, I guess they teach that at GGWO also http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif
Another ANON

[Jim Faucett (66.90.181.249)]

Hey 70. I notice you don't intend to challenge my "line of crap" (which is actually historical, biblical Christianity) with any scriptural knowledge of your own. And if you choose to sit under someone who's been covering up his own sins for thirty plus years while preaching what you assume is grace and the "finished work" then you go ahead. The man attacked one of his own elders by breaking a confidence--he did this from the pulpit. I don't care if he mentioned a name or not. He did this to me many years ago--he thinks that's his privelege. And if you look at your scripture--Carl is neither King nor Prophet(touch not,etc.) so those scriptures don't apply to him more particularly than they do to any of us who are "a kingdom of priests." Or don't you believe in the priesthood of all believers there at GG? That is why 'Carl' ought to be enough for him instead of having his minions like you bowing and fawning all over him. By the way sunshine, the only bible college I ever attended was NESB in South Berwick--the predecessor to MBC&S. Obviously you went to Bible college to become a blind antinomian--I'd rather understand why grace really is amazing. Maybe there are a lot of people out there who've had their lives changed by Carl Stevens--that change has not always been positive or godly. When real men of God teach and speak--they wouldn't dare allow any of the glory and adulation be given to them as you give to Carl--and as I have observed him receive. You've spent decades in the ministry? Do you have a "special dispensation" from Carl to be spending time here with the rest of who create this "one million percent satanic garbage." Or don't you want to obey your pastor/teacher who will have to present you at the bema seat? And I only use my initials for sake of brevity.

[Dave Carson (207.156.7.90)]

If CHS was a prophet or priest, he seems to have followed in the footsteps of Eli and will reap the same judgment from the Lord (I Sam. 2). Come to think of it, Eli was better because he at least rebuked his sons for abusing their office.

That Christ Alone Might Be Preeminent

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

Jim and Roberta, you must be making them nervous again.

[Anonymous (63.27.12.209)]

The old "Touch not God's anointed" manipulation that keeps so many deceived and blindly following a man who has NO accountability!
Hey 70, did you ever stop to think that God IS dealing with CHS via Factnet!

Jim and Roberta, looks like you got one of Carl's "toadies" shaking in their "doctrinal boots" so keep up the good work!

As for you Stevens' "toadie," REPENT for your part in enabling Stevens self exalting egoticism!

[Lori (141.157.83.195)]

WOW the a$$ kissers are coming out! How much do you all get paid to come on here and defend gg?

[JF (66.90.181.249)]

One million percent SATANIC garbage!!!

[Anonymous (63.27.14.25)]

GGWO's congregation FEAR being out of the "geographical will of God" and not UNDER their ONE "pastor/teacher." These ideas are and example of the doctinal manipulation which keeps GGWO attendee's blinded to and locked into this abuse! WAKE UP...there's NO accountability at the top and the top is taking you all for a ride. Using your time, money and service to the Lord for their OWN gain!

Answer these questions:
Does GG help the poor, fatherless and widows?
Does GG support their missionaries?
Is there a system of accountability in place over the expenditure of finances contributed to GG?
Is the congregation apprised of and part of VOTING for the deacons and elders?
Do GG members receive a tax exemption report at the end of the year for their contributions?
Is P.Stevens accountable to anyone?
Is GG recognized by other church organizations and accountable to them for their current practices?
Is GG the ONLY church where you can "hear the "awesome" message of grace?"

[Anonymous (63.27.14.25)]

The answers to those above questions are a few of the reasons "why NOT to waste your Sunday morning", Sunday evenings and Wednesday nights listening to this stupidity!

[Anonymous (4.156.100.181)]

The only elders I can think of with kids at GGCA are Rodger Stenger and Tom Schaller. Stenger has 2 kids there and Schaller has one. Are there any others I am not thinking of?

When CHS does something like that from the pulpit, it is usually very obvious about whom he is speaking. He is a master at it. Like the previous Sunday when he mentioned someone saying he had dementia and called him a "vomitous jerk," most people knew exactly who he was talking about, especially when that person got up and left the service.

Another thing, if he did mention anyone by name, it would most certainly would have been censored before being put on the internet.

I would be interested to know if anyone knows what it going on with the day school. Has there been a change in the admisistration? I really care about what's going on there - many I love are there.

[Anonymous (64.26.82.18)]

Who cares WHICH elder pulled their child out of GGCA...DID THEY GET RID OF THE GUNS & SPYWARE IN THE SCHOOL?

[Roberta (141.154.144.33)]

Finally someone asks the right question. That flippin school scares me. There's a little girl that is a student there that I care very much about...I was fit to be tied when I first heard about the gun and cameras....*shudder*

[Anonymous (69.242.21.100)]

i wonder what is ggwo's purpose for guns and the hidden surveilance tapes etc.????they are obviously paranoid , thats why i didnt want to stick around to find out. some of the characters there in De. raise some questionable behavior

[Anonymous (152.163.253.102)]

What proof is there that they have guns i.e. more than one on the school property?

The issue of the camera's was dealt with in the earlier threads for pete's sake we're digging up that old ball and chain again??

Camera's are there because of the students needing to be supervised. I spoke to a few of the GGCA high school students this summer. They said they would rather HAVE the camera's, that people wouldn't believe the stuff that goes on in the class when the teacher either leaves the room or, turns her back to write on the chalkboard. The "finger" gets raised to her, people get hit, kicked, spit at, all kinds of real edifying things for such "christian" young adults to be doing.

That has nothing to do with the church. That has to do with people in the church that don't properly discipline their kids at home or teach them how to respect adults, and others in their classes. I would rather have a camera in there to know my kid isn't doing anything out of line.

[Anonymous (69.242.21.100)]

well they obviously know that we know about them so they will probably remove them and hide them in fear of FBI coming to get them there.

[rj (141.154.144.33)]

I don't care if it is "one" gun...it is one too many. And excuse me, but cameras can be used for more than one purpose, and in the control of teachers connected to a cult, I have every right to be suspicious.

[Anonymous (152.163.253.102)]

RJ --- ok then be suspicious!!

But don't just sit there, you have an issue with it then do something about it!! Call someone in the Baltimore County School District. Or call the FBI. Don't just sit and *bitch* about it, get off your duff and do something if it bothers you all that much!!

"152" is now getting off RJ's soapbox and letting her have a turn at it again.

[RJ (141.154.144.33)]

So...what makes you think I haven't done that already?

[Bob Brinton (151.203.157.251)]

I don't have a problem with guns; as long as everyone gets to carry one. You have to give the kids a fighting chance.

[RJ (141.154.144.33)]

Oh Bob...I nearly spit my coffee all over the keyboard...*s*

[Anonymous (152.163.253.102)]

RJ -- Have you???

What did they say???
Its doubtful they would close the school over it.


Bob, I don't agree with giving kids guns. There need to be better laws on gun control. I am hoping you are joking with me. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

GGCA is not located in the county. It is in Baltimore City.

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

BTW, Bob - Hysterical. Maybe they can get the student rate for an NRA membership.

[Anonymous (152.163.253.102)]

It is in the city, true, but it follows Baltimore County School District rules and scheduled days off, snow days, etc.

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Regardless of the policies or schedules they follow, they fall under the legal jurisdiction of Baltimore City and, thereby, must adhere to all applicable laws, ordinances, etc.

[Anonymous (63.27.65.200)]

Hey, if a teacher has control of his/her classroom cameras should NOT be necessary. However, consideration must be given to the fact that GGWO is located in the ghetto of Baltimore. Nevertheless, the Berkshires does NOT constitute a ghetto...what was their excuse there?

Somebody said there are cameras in the bathroom stalls and also in the girls locker room, is this true?

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

If crime or safety is a concern, GGCA could do what most other schools, public and private, in Baltimore City do, many in areas of significantly higher crime than Movaria Road - secure the premises and allow entrance/egress through through a controlled access.

It is not necessary to place SURVEILLANCE equipment in the classrooms. To explain it away using the premise of security is either naive or deceptive.

[baltosucks (64.12.117.20)]

pitiful people live in baltimore; think about it.... you don't work for t. rowe price, then get out and get a life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous (63.27.3.97)]

What work for a high paying position and MISS the wonderful raps in fellowship hall. Come on, it doesn't take money to fullfill the Great Commission. No I think a bunch of idyll "sponges" are much more effective!

They need to save their strength to go out canvasing for GGWO NOT the message of salvation on Saturdays anyway!

[baltosux (64.12.117.20)]

baltimore: nude dancers, nude dancers, needles, needles... have fun this winter

[Anonymous (209.103.235.184)]

WHAT?! Someone please tell me more about these bathroom and locker room cameras in the Berkshires? What was that, why have "we dealt with it" and what possible use could there have been for such a thing other than the viewing pleasure of members of the staff? Every time I think I've heard the worst . . .

[Bob Brinton (151.203.157.251)]

When I was a kid, I loved the whole idea of guns. I loved the way they looked and their weight in the hand. I used to play, pretending I was a Confederate or a Nazi. And I grew up in Massachusetts. I read a lot of stuff about Hitler. I've never had a real gun. I'm not interested in hunting or target practise or in killing people or protecting myself. I see Hitler as an incredibly sick smear on human history. I'm not fascinated by abuse. I hate it with passion. I think its perpetrators are evil and blind as they think they're so very clever. It's all so predictable. They follow the same stupid patterns over and over like a bunch of robots. They just don't get Who God is and how beautiful the individuality He's given to us is. They are living cookie cutters. You can't control people who are real individuals; so you call individuality sin and selfishness. It's not. God wants us to help others become what He is giving them, not reproduce our own fears and peculiarities. We don't need guns (and I'm not against people having them). We need prayer and contemplation and personal integrity and honesty, and love for each other. I don't need a gun. I'm in God's care. He can handle it.

[Anonymous (4.156.99.33)]

OK, please listen to me - there are NOT cameras in bathroom stalls or the girls' locker room at GGCA. We are getting a little whacked out here, folks.

I know what I am talking about when I tell you that the teachers DO NOT have control over the cameras in their classrooms. In fact, the teachers are under surveillance just as much as the students are. The admistration controls the cameras and any classroom can be watched at any time from the office without the teacher or students knowing they are being watched. And at the end of the school year, the cameras were only in the high school, not in the elementary.

Those are the facts.

Does anyone know if the Bakers will still be running the school this upcoming year? Does anyone know how many families have taken their kids out?

[Anonymous (149.174.164.83)]

The cameras were in the elementary school too. That is a fact.

[Anonymous (149.174.164.83)]

I substituted in the elementary school several times and I know for a fact that they "observed." There are cameras in the elementary school and they use them. The teacher I substituted for also said that the cameras help to see if children cheat or steal. It is ridiculous.

[Anonymous (63.27.72.149)]

Sounds like a George Orwell novel not a Christian school.

[Anonymous (63.27.28.226)]

Alright everybody, bedtime! Some of you have to get up early so you can get to GGWO for a good seat before the secretaries and asskissers take them all. Oops, forgot that those seats are already "reserved" for them!

Anyway, another Sunday morning is coming up! Gee, I wonder what kind of "anointed" things will fly off Stevens' lips in the morning?

He's already covered the REALLY important stuff. Remember the sermons: "Vomitous Jerks", "My Time, My Time, My Time" and "HOW To Know Who Is Going To Heaven Or Hell"? Gosh, these "hallmark messages" will certainly be a hard act to follow! Nevertheless, observing Stevens present state of mind on the internet, it's apparent he will surely find a way! Stay tuned ladies & gentlemen it's time for another "anointed" SHOW!

[RJ (141.154.144.33)]

Will Carl's keeper have him up and dressed in time for service I wonder....

[Anonymous (63.27.82.92)]

Certain to include a clean hanky to continually blow and wipe his nose on in front of the congregation, GAG!

[Anonymous (63.27.82.92)]

What's it gonna take for he and his toadies to realize it's time for him to retire?

[RJ (141.154.144.33)]

I hate to say this but i think he's either got to do something obscene on the stage or pass away in the pulpit before they realize it is time.

[Anonymous (63.27.29.167)]

Here we go again...
ANOTHER SUNDAY!!

[RJ (141.154.144.33)]

Wish the football season would start....

[JF (66.90.181.249)]

Bobby Boy, yew c'mon down here, sonny. Ah'll show yew how to use a sidearm.

[Bob Brinton (151.203.153.238)]

Can you show me how to mask it from the officials?

[JF (66.90.181.249)]

Yew kin use them fer targit practice!

[Bob Brinton (151.203.153.238)]

By the way; for you accusers of the brethren who post on Sunday mornings - I went to a church last night and also listened to a mesage on CD this morning. I'm such a good boy this week. Do I get a lollipop?

[Roberta (141.154.144.33)]

I am still anathema, Bob. I studied quietly then wrote about Matthew 11:28 to a confused and hearbroken woman who's family in Florida lost everything to Hurricane Charley.

No lollipop for me.

[Bob Brinton (151.203.153.238)]

God knows your heart, Roberta. He has all the best flavors.

[Anonymous (64.26.82.18)]

Maria T in an inflated blimp with a cuckoo clock between her ears! SUEY! Here pig, pig, pig! HA-HA

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Knock it off, 64.

[Anonymous (63.27.9.54)]

Here we go again...
ANOTHER SUNDAY!!

[Anonymous (141.154.144.33)]

Yeah, give it a rest 64.

[Anonymous (63.27.13.218)]

Here's a praise and worship song for tommorow's GGWO church service. [sung to the melody "I Love You Lord"]

We love you Carl-
And we lift our butts-
To wor-ship-you-
ON-LY "shepherd"-
We rejoice!

We have your picture-
In all-our homes-
Your insults are such
sweet-sweet-sounds-
in our ears!

[Anonymous (63.27.13.218)]

Here's another "HIM" for tommorow's "worship" service...

I found I was a sinner
READING FACTNET'S,
MANY WORDS.
The "MILLION PERCENT SATANIC GARBAGE-"
DIRECTED AT ME-
Was the PLOY-
that I heard.

DRUGS now-
ARE my life-
and my MEMORIES-
THEY ARE buried.

In the deepest,deepest sea-
MY MEMORY, forgotten, and gone forever.
The OXYCONTIN & ELDERS take care of me.

THEY TAKE care of what I was
THEY take care of who I am
I now have MY TIME, MY TIME!
I can say, "VOMITOUS JERK" Yes I can.
DRUGS now ARE my life,
& my GUILT IT IS buried

In the deepest, deepest sea
LENOX AND MAINE, ARE gone forever
The OXYCONTIN & ELDERS take care of me.

[Bob Brinton (141.154.163.6)]

You people are so cruel...it makes me laugh.

[Anonymous (63.27.13.218)]

For all those who have recently fled GGWO
[sung to the melody We Are Free From the Law]

We are free from GREATER GRACE
From the power of CARL
We are no...longer bound-
By the fear of SLAN-DER

So FACTNET, Come...AND draw us in..
Fill our MINDS with TRUTH again.

As we RETHINK... TWISTED DOCTRINES
NO MORE TITHES...for PAUL'S AFFAIRS

RAISING TRUTH for OTHERS DELIVERANCE
HEAL our hearts, YES ONCE AGAIN!

As we RETHINK...TWISTED DOCTRINES
NO MORE TITHES...for PAUL'S AFFAIRS
FACTNET FILL OUR MINDS WITH TRUTH AGAIN!

[Bob Brinton (141.154.163.6)]

I meant to cancel that, and hit the wrong button. Out of the abundance of the heart, the fingers typeth...

[Anonymous (4.156.99.115)]

You are all very funny.

I hope someone will seriously post about this morning's service, though. I have family members still there and am very concerned.

[JF (66.90.181.249)]

Any news of today's service at GG? Aberdeen? Newark? Florida?

[Roberta (141.154.144.33)]

This morning's service at GGWO:

Carl spoke for a short time. Said he had had surgery during the week, that like most people he thought the third time would be the one that worked, but it didn't. He said it had been a veruy painful week, the most he's ever had (I took notes)He said she showd up today for one reason...to say hi before leaving.

He spoke about 2 Kings 3:1 etc.
He said he had preached many years ago a sermon on Making the Valley Full of Ditches. The enemey want to compromise. The Lord Jesus Christ says there is only one way to dig those ditches...the enemy wants to compromise. The unique thing is in order to comptomise they have to dig ditches (that's what he said).

There will be no rain, no wind but the valley full of ditches. God's order follows a divine procedure. And a procedure follows God's order, in illness or problem we need God's order.

Please don't get mad, don't get sad. pastoring a church is a serious proposition, a divine proposal. It is crucial that we come together as a family, from a family we come together in a beautiful way.

God's church should be a family. I like to see our God's people, the kids, adults all go to the same school. Unity. partake of unity a certain spirit with unity. How many like unity.

(He then asked the pastors about unity...they said, powerful, family, healing without unity nothing can be accomplished...he gave Schaller a playful nudge)

How many in the body love unity? (they all clapped)

God made the sunshine on the water and it appeared to be a rainbow the enemy thought it was blood. It caused fear. Men of God took over and won the battle.

God decieved the enemy. God decieved the enemy? Why?

(Then he abruptly stopped and asked who the next singers were, they sang. Then he took the mic and asked if Brian was there. Brian got a standin O, then another singer...from behind them Carl was escorted across the stage and out)

Steve did the message after the offering...All about the Good Shepherd, flocks not being fed by good pastors...same old stuff.

[Anonymous (149.174.164.83)]

Roberta, as close as you follow the teachings of GGWO on line (even taking notes) I guess you could assume you are still a part of the ministry. If you want to ever find real healing Roberta, you need to walk away from the teachings. If a tree keeps producing rotten fruit maybe you should find another orchard to pick from.

[Anonymous (68.166.69.75)]

Her roots are from the same soil.

[Roberta (141.154.144.33)]

Excuse me? I took the notes for Anon 4 who requested that someone take notes as she/he still has family there.

Your assumption that I am still part of the ministry is laughable. GGWO hates me, has spoken out against me on more than one occasion in past years and except for the friends I still have that go there, I have had nothing to do with the place for years, until the last few months when I happened upon factnet.

I suggest you might be careful about assuming. I have been free of these false doctrines for many years, the healing I really needed happened years ago, and you'll excuse me I am sure if I still care about my friends that go there that they be safe and not too overwhelmed when the place finally implodes?

Take your assuming elsewhere please. Thank you.

[Anonymous (149.174.164.83)]

I was being sarcastic. But, if GGWO gives false teachings (which it does) then it is not healthy to listen to them as intently as you do. Your time would be better spent on sound teachings. Also, I would hardly think that based on your posts you have experienced all the healing that needs to take place. The bitterness that you hold on to is clear. I don't need to do any assuming to see that.

[RJ (141.154.144.33)]

Bitterness? Not against the GGWO...you are reading too much into what you think I am. I don't need to listen intently to the teaching at GGWO..it is the same old BS it always was.

You don't know me, or the things in my life I have experienced in the 10-15 years since leaving. You have no way of knowing anything about me. You are of course free to think what you like, just like I can assume you are a pompous ass if I want to. It changes nothing...you don't know mw or what my life is or isn't, and I don't know you.

And that's good with me...now...shoo...go bother someone else. *LOL*

[Anonymous (209.103.235.184)]

"He said it had been a veruy painful week, the most he's ever had (I took notes)He said she showd up today for one reason...to say hi before leaving."

Sorry, but I want to be clear on this. Stevens is stepping down? If he's leaving, where is he going? Or does he think he can continue as puppet master (or puppet, depending on his circumstances) from behind the scenes?

[rj (141.154.144.33)]

I couldn't discern just exactly what he meant...was he stopping in to say hellow before leaving to go home from the hospital...stopping in to say hi on his was back to the hospital...or just what he meant...it was very enigmatic and I couldn't tell. I wasn't sure by the looks on people's faces if they knew what he meant or not.

[Anonymous (63.27.20.253)]

I know he's an old man; however, anybody think he exploits his various ailments to evoke sympathy from his "followers" thus hooking them MORE through sentimental hogwash. After all, he used to be in sales and often used the "salt" method to get folks to come back to church on Sunday night. [salt method gives just enough info to "tantalize" the listener into coming back for more.]

[Anonymous (172.160.250.61)]

whenever pastor is ill, leaving town or not staying for an entire service he says that to us. That he came to say hi. if people know that pastor is going to be in a service they come, (I am always amazed how people know whether or not he will be there) (also this is not to say it means everyone is like that), I think he believes the congregation feels more secure when they see him in a service. I don't believe it means he is stepping down, not yet at least as far as what I have been told by an elder.

[Anonymous (172.160.250.61)]

63 you are exactly right. It has been like that for years.

[Anonymous (63.27.20.253)]

Some may not come to service when "Pastor's" not there because of "Pastor." Personally, I hated coming when he wasn't there because his replacements spent more time keeping "Pastor's memory" alive than preaching Jesus Christ! I used to HATE that and partially why I left!

[Anonymous (172.160.250.61)]

But I really believe he does it so that people will come and hear the Word. We all believe what we believe and we can't make someone else responsible when we make a wrong decision, regardless of how we feel about them.

[Anonymous (209.6.151.215)]

Roberta: Do you think that maybe he was not in focus, it wasn't making a lot of sense the things he said I mean. Do you think maybe he was confused again? Izzie

P.S. Hope you are doing well.

[Anonymous (63.27.20.253)]

Idolatry is idolatry, and no one should subject themselves to this!

[Anonymous (63.27.20.253)]

Quand mettra-t-il fin jamais ?

[Roberta (141.154.144.33)]

You may very well be right, Izzie. It is so difficult to tell from the live feed, but he didn't look at all well or steady to me.

[Anonymous (63.27.21.163)]

Sound bites of Stevens illogical sermons can be found on LIQUID WAVES O' STEVENS website. They provide entertaining empirical evidence supporting an argument against "Wasting one's Sunday morning at GGWO." Recommend a listen!

[Anonymous (67.171.86.186)]

aNON 63.27
The dancing animated figure of Stevens gettin jiggy with it is worth the price of admission alone (if there were a price)
It's halairious!

[Anonymous (63.27.74.231)]

Yes indeed 67!

[Anonymous (63.27.80.215)]

Anyone out there attend this morning's GGWO "cyber service"? It's hard to top, "Just say this verse five times" and "vomitous jerk" but were there any more Freudian slips?

[Anonymous (62.121.45.91)]

Any news?

[RJ (151.203.163.174)]

I didn't see it...would love to hear what happened.

[Bob Brinton (141.154.150.31)]

Speaking of Freudian slips; someone sent me an email this week (no one from here) and spelled the word 'alignment' as 'alienment'.

[Dave Carson (65.234.187.206)]

Sounds like a good title for a new doctrine booklet: "The Doctrine of Spiritual Alienment."

[Roberta (151.203.163.174)]

*LOL*...

[Dave Carson (65.234.189.188)]

Maybe that's what that guy in Pittsfield who stood by the road with the sign meant. The "Spiritual Alienment " tapes are in Baltimore! Or maybe Remulak...

[Anonymous (67.243.240.37)]

Dave,....I remember that guy.
In the pre-Baltimore days of Lenox he used to carry that sign around Pittsfield
"there are tapes in Baltimore"

He was either a prophet or must have had a "word of knowledge" ......LOL

[Anonymous (63.27.28.138)]

Thank you Jesus for another Sunday! I'll go to our new churches to hear the Word of God and give GLORY TO JESUS CHRIST.

Ps. DO share any STRANGE happenings at GG!

[Anonymous (67.193.44.240)]

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[Anonymous (63.27.25.248)]

Sunday, October 10,2004
Another sunday listening stupidity.

[Anonymous (69.139.235.230)]

bump

[lee (65.96.56.161)]

Today, our pastor spoke on Faith. During his story, he used the words Flee or Fight....words that we've read often from counsellors about what to do when you realize the group you are in is abusive. He used another word that I think is appropriate in its relation to what to do when faced with the facts of GGWO......Freeze. He was saying that when we are faced with a difficult situation/decision, we respond in Faith or Fear. Freezing up is one attribute of responding in Fear. I thought that it clarified for me something I've been thinking about concerning those that seem unable to make a decision at all. They are Frozen in their response. Perhaps they think, hope and pray that things will go back to normal......that they will sail happily into the sunset because someone will come along and take them there.

I think a Freezing of the mind and emotions is what has happened to many. This is what I will pray about for those still in GGWO. That they will not Freeze in Fear but turn to God and get direction for themselves and families.

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

I went to Calvary chapel this morning. Again, God brought a GGer visiting for the first time. After spending an hour in conversation with this person, I am more than ever convinced that God is moving greatly on the hearts of those remaining in GG.

This person shared with me how God revealed GGWO has a pot and the pot is infected. The individual stays and tries to figure it all out but God is saying "GET OUT OF THE POT"

As Lee just wrote, so many are frozen to take that step of faith. We need to pray for this specifically. Pray for those who need to take that one little step of faith.

This person also said "though God was pressing to leave, she was afraid of leaving GGWO," It was the realization that something is very wrong when a church makes you afraid to obey the voice of God. It was that revelation which brought her to Calvary Chapel today.

[Anonymous (64.26.82.18)]

Any stupidity to report from GGWO?

[Anonymous (64.26.82.18)]

apparently we who have left are like moses delivering his people from egypt

God bless the young lamb who had the courage to take the first step toward deliverance

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

This person is a long time GG'er and worked for a high ranking pastor. Huge step for them.

[lee (65.96.56.161)]

It is a huge step to take but oh so satisfying when you realize it takes faith to take it when you take it in faith. It will seem like a long time since you experienced the wonderful life of faith. Some have followed for so long that they think they must continue to follow at all costs.......and they think that that is being spiritual.

There have been many that have gone before us and many will follow us. Lets follow the word of faith.....not letting it grow stagnant or stupid, thus freezing us in our fear.

[RJ (151.203.157.69)]

This is good news, and I hope this person finds some counseling and further aid as they face the reality of the life outside the confines of GG.

God...just want to take another moment to thank you for your grace and your Spirit that does speak to hearts. Bless this new refugee, and lead them to your heart of mercy once more as your light begins to shine in their spirit. Please keep us aware of the delicate time that this is when people are leaving the dark and following your spirit into your light...let us be always in prayer for these bruised and tender souls as you are healing them and know that you are healing us also. Keep us ready to love them that have not yet heeded your voice out of fear. Thank you for this encouragement that one more has escaped.

amen.

[Anonymous (152.163.101.12)]

So many of us believed the lie that there was no other church that could preach the word like GGWO. We were told no other church had an anointing or were as committed as we were. It is simply not true. Rick Plantholt, the pastor of Calvary Chapel teaches with such power and transparency. He spoke for about forty minutes this morning and brought me to tears, personally convicted me in areas and directed me to the cross of Calvary. Each message I come away with such gratitude to have heard the Father's voice, for me personally. This occurs without manipulation or condemnation, without having to hear how wonderful CC is and the great works they are doing. You come away realizing we are all believers; pastors or congregation; meeting at the foot of the cross and renewing our love and desire to serve Him.

I don't think those that remain at GGWO realize how traumatic the church experience has become. It is not suppose to be this way. The congregation is made to feel like the employees of GGWO and owe something to the "company" for years of their (the leaders) service to us. It is not suppose to be this way. I pray for all those who hear God's voice and KNOW something is very wrong but remain because of misled loyalty or duty. We must pray for God to break through that manipulation and bondage. Pray they find a church that preaches the word and encourages the congregation to have their own walk. I sense prayer is the most important thing any of us can do this week.

[lee (65.96.56.161)]

agreed.......I plan to do some specific praying and would appreciate some imput if anyone has any!

[RJ (151.203.157.69)]

My personal imput could only be what I specifically do for those still at GGWO in my prayers.

Every Sunday morning when I know they are going to be hearing the lies, I pray for them in specifics. I ask God

1.to peel back the false web of lies that are covering the truth so that the decieved might see through the veil

2.to allow the speaker to say or do something that reveals the lack of the Holy Spirit

3.to allow the song service to be sour enough to make the hearers uncomfortable

4.to allow something to occur that will make at least one person make the decision that what they are seeing/feeling is not godly

5.to allow one sliver of light to shine in the darkest part of at least one person's deception so they can start thinking about leaving

6.to not allow the sentimentality the people feel toward Carl to keep them blind.

I have been praying this same way every day but most specifically on Sunday morning. Every time I hear that others have left I pray it again.

[Anonymous (63.27.87.37)]

Check out this website new pictures every day,
enjoy your sunday!

http://cockatrice-eggs.blogspot.com/

[Anonymous (141.157.73.153)]

Is it true that those on staff now have been "told" that they are to be at ALL 3 services a week now or they won't still be on staff?

[Anonymous (68.34.76.34)]

Yes they have been told that, ask Gene Kostaleki. Sounds like legalism to me.

[Anonymous (69.242.21.100)]

its good to be faithful

[Anon Brief (205.188.117.12)]

Faithfulness cannot be mandated.

[Anonymous (62.121.45.91)]

It has been like that... forever.
I'm sorry for them.

[Anonymous (151.199.28.153)]

I was working at this place where they had many different areas doing the same type of work that the area I was in was doing. I had begun my employment in this particular building and met some pretty neat people there. Throughout the compound people were always telling me that they hated the building I worked in because it was filled with a lot of backbiting, gossip, lies etc.
I refused to see it. I am not a big fan of change, so I just stayed. After all everyone had treated me well and I felt comfortable in my routine. But then truth began to reveal itself and I opted on another job in another building.
Three days a week I go to the other new position and two days I am still at my old building. At first I was not wanting to be there, I wanted to remain loyal to my friends and managers at the old building (and I have) but little by little my eyes were opened.
The transformation and revelation has been amazing. I can see that what I was told was true,
and further more it isn't like that everywhere.
I think about that and how similar that is to how some of the GGWO people who are still there must feel.
People do feel a sense of false loyalty but I also think it is a matter of what is comfortable and where they feel "safe". When that "safety" is questioned or threatened I think many people tend to dig in and feel like they are weathering a storm or fighting the attacks of Satan. It is so much easier to believe that this is a "test" of God's will or a "test of faith".
People forget when entrapped by a charamasitic leader that there loyalty first and always should be to our Lord, not any man, woman or child.
RJ your points of prayer are very convincing and well thought out.
I can't help but feel sorry for Carl, sad for him may be a better word. I would like to add to RJ's list that we pray that he (Carl) has a revelation and that he will get right with the Lord. Through all of this all the wrong and the terrible things that have been visited on the body the fact remains that Carl will answer to Jesus and there is not a chance he can get around that. Fatima

[Anonymous (152.163.101.12)]

We've just had enough of him, 151.

He needs to step down and thats all there is to it. Feeling sorry for him isn't the answer, but I guess it happens no matter what.

[Anonymous (64.12.117.12)]

Fatima,

Thank you for sharing that thoughtful and insightful post. I truly believe God is moving mightily on many of those who are holding fast to the safe and secure. God is pressing them to take the step of faith and come back to Him alone.

God Bless you!

[Anonymous (63.27.18.19)]

Did anyone else hear Lewdass' offering prayer this morning. He said something to the effect, "we will not use this money...but give as unto the Lord." What on earth? Sounded like he rationalized and then flipped into guilting people into giving. BTW, this was preceded by some guilt inducing pictures of poor children through Orphan's First, Janie DeMeo's organization. [yet he never said the money would go to the children] PATHETIC!

[Anonymous (205.188.117.12)]

FAT ASS

[Anonymous (63.27.18.19)]

There's a GREAT pix of Lewdass eating a chocolate bars at...

http://cockatrice-eggs.blogspot.com/

[Anonymous (12.22.249.3)]

No kidding 63.27.18.19! I almost wet my pants from laughing so hard. The "dignified" Lewis in his toga nibbling on chocolate with his mouth open is a scream! Be sure to check out the recent election pictures of Stevens if you get the chance! Thanks for the recommendation!

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