GG Affiliate Churches That Do Not Honor CHS and Homebase

[Anonymous (64.12.117.12)]

This is not a complete list but the pastors of the following GG affiliate churches in the cities below do not honor CHS and GG Baltimore church: Tacoma WA, Rome NY, Seneca Falls NY, South Berwick ME, Gorham ME, Hartford CT, Newark DE, Chicago IL, Indianapolis IN, Oxford Hills ME, Rockland ME, Marlborough MA, Westfield MA, Laconia NH, Burnt Hills NY, Dover Plains NY, Millport NY, Vancouver WA, Washington DC, Braintree MA, Lee MA, Westfield MA, Woburn MA, Brooklyn NY, Dover Plains NY, Millport NY, Kissimmee FL, West Palm Beach FL Carlisle PA, Easton PA, Hatboro PA, Indiana PA, Lancaster PA, Pittsburgh PA, Shamokin Dam PA, York PA, Nashville TN, Patterson NJ, Laconia NH, Youngstown PA, Hyattsville, MD.

These churches are disloyal to homebase because they have not respected CHS as a friend nor the office of pastor.

A friend and affiliate church leader does not let a pastor continue in sin (drug abuse, gossip/slander, maligning, lying, and manipulation - just to name a few) without correction and discipline.

A friend and affiliate church leader does not let a pastor and elders cover sin without discipline, participate in deceit, malign and lie about leaders and individuals who have left, manipulate and threaten people to stay, violate doctrine to serve their own power and agendas, deceive the local congregation with lies, put loyalty to a pastor above the unity and harmony of the family unit, and misappropriate the tithes and offerings of its members.

A friend and affiliate church leader who is aware of the above sin and does not collectively or individually meet with GGWO Baltimore leaders to bring about repentance and discipline but takes the attitude of passivity permits justice to stand afar off because judgement is turned away backward; therefore truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter (Isa.59:14).

Giving excuses of being indigenous and "touch not thine anointed" are not valid when sin is rampant.

Your passivity has permitted shame to come upon the universal Body of Christ.

Your passivity has brought dishonor to a church that could have been a great and shining light if its leader and elders were brought to repentance and disciplined.

Your passivity has allowed CHS to become a mockery. Thinking that doing nothing and letting him die out only brings more shame to him and GGWO Baltimore.

Your passivity allows the disunity and fighting among the elders to continue. It allows for factions and "party spirits" to be formed which causes disunity, backbiting, and negativity. It lets a spirit of confusion and heaviness to reign in GGWO Baltimore.

Your passivity has allowed hundreds to be abused by allowing the maligning, lies, slander and gossip to continue. You have not questioned or sought the truth on why many leaders have left but have believed the lies and maligning the leadership have promoted.

Your passivity has done harm to your own congregation. They hear of the problems in Baltimore and seek out the truth on their own. Some find the truth and some don't but questions and confusion exists in their minds which causes them to be unsettled.

Your passivity violates doctine.

Your passivity has allowed your fellow affiliated pastors that did try to help homebase be shunned and spoken evil of.

You had a your disposal creative and biblical ways to help homebase. But you chose to be passive and let the effects of sin take their slow and destructive course. YOU were not the good Samaritan but the passive religous people that pass by the way. We all know what Jesus thought of those people.

[Anonymous (64.12.117.12)]

What is being revealed by these branch ministries inaction is cognitive dissonance. The factor of being forced to behave opposite to what you know causes cognitive dissonance. It is real phenomena. It is when a person is forced to accept and tolerate contradictions in their mind, the Orwellian group-think principle. This condition of cognitive dissonance, could explain much of how some of them can do what they do. The condition causes a split between ideas and reality, to the point where one accepts "ideas" over perceptions of actual reality. The pastor is killing himself on drugs. Preaching heresy from the pulpit. No intervention on the part of the elders or affiliates points to a break in reality. It is an appalling lack of common sense and human dignity. It signifies a cult able to tolerate huge contradiction from the real world.

[Anonymous (62.78.174.189)]

new point

[Anonymous (64.26.82.18)]

execellent thread 64.12...and VERY valid points to ponder and question!

[Anon Brief (205.188.117.12)]

These are excellent and well-made points. The decision for inaction has been monumentally more harmful to all involved, both individuals and groups, than acknowledgement, correction, discipline, repentance and reconciliation would have been.

Affiliates should consider the effects of their inaction. If they have failed to act concerning this situation, they should do so now before more damage is done.

[Anonymous (198.81.26.106)]

I agree, great comments and food for thought

Susanna

[Abused In GG (205.188.117.12)]

WRONG!!! Newark DE is Baltimores twin!! There is a mass exodus as in Balt including staff members. Wisot has "touch not thine annointed" monogramed on his bathrobe. His Spiritual Abuse is amazing considering he did in 7 yrs what took Stevens 50. The lies, deceit, money issues, covering abuse, elitism, intimidation just gets worse. he has employees "dig up dirt" as he calls it, on member that leave after discerning him. Guess what He honors carl stevens alright. he is carl stevens

[Anonymous (151.203.157.69)]

"No intervention on the part of the elders or affiliates points to a break in reality. It is an appalling lack of common sense and human dignity. It signifies a cult able to tolerate huge contradiction from the real world."

Perfectly said.

[Anonymous (151.203.157.69)]

Cognitive Dissonance

Cognitive dissonance is a psychological phenomenon which refers to the discomfort felt at a discrepancy between what you already know or believe, and new information or interpretation. It therefore occurs when there is a need to accommodate new ideas, and it may be necessary for it to develop so that we become "open" to them. Neighbour (1992) makes the generation of appropriate dissonance into a major feature of tutorial (and other) teaching: he shows how to drive this kind of intellectual wedge between learners' current beliefs and "reality".


Beyond this benign if uncomfortable aspect, however, dissonance can go "over the top", leading to two interesting side-effects for learning:

if someone is called upon to learn something which contradicts what they already think they know — particularly if they are committed to that prior knowledge — they are likely to resist the new learning. Even Carl Rogers recognised this. Accommodation is more difficult than Assimilation, in Piaget's terms.

if learning something has been difficult, uncomfortable, or even humiliating enough, people are not likely to admit that the content of what has been learned is not valuable. To do so would be to admit that one has been "had", or "conned".
These weblinks will give a more formal and less idiosyncratic account:

http://www.afirstlook.com/archive
/cogdiss.cfm?source=archther

http://www.apa.org/books/
4318830s.html


Cognitive dissonance was first investigated by Leon Festinger and associates, arising out of a participant observation study of a cult which believed that the earth was going to be destroyed by a flood, and what happened to its members — particularly the really committed ones who had given up their homes and jobs to work for the cult — when the flood did not happen. While fringe members were more inclined to recognise that they had made fools of themselves and to "put it down to experience", committed members were more likely to re-interpret the evidence to show that they were right all along (the earth was not destroyed because of the faithfulness of the cult members).

Ordeal is therefore an effective — if spurious — way of conferring value on an educational (or any other) experience. "No pain, no gain", as they say.

The more difficult it is to get on a course, the more participants are likely to value it and view it favourably regardless of its real quality.

Ditto, the more expensive it is.

The more obscure and convoluted the subject, the more profound it must be. This has of course been exploited for years to persuade us of the existence of the emperor's clothes, particularly by French "intellectuals". (I recently came across the wonderful phrase "intellectual flatulence" which perfectly describes such rubbish)

It is not, however, the qualities of the course which are significant, as the amount of effort which participants have to put in: so the same qualification may well be valued more by the student who had to struggle for it than the student who sailed through.


ATHERTON J S (2003) Learning and Teaching: Cognitive dissonance [On-line] UK: Available: http://www.dmu.ac.uk/~jamesa/learning/dissonance.htm Accessed:

[Anonymous (4.156.99.162)]

Abused in GG: You did not take the time to carefully read the original post on this thread, which is why you reacted as you did. Go back and read it again!

[Anonymous (152.163.101.12)]

64 I stand corrected, You are right I did not read through the whole post, I was too busy wigging out after thinking Wisot was being defended. I appologize for letting my anger at Stevie Jr ( wisot) to get in the way.

[british_sponge_bob (british_sponge_bob)]

A friend and affiliate church leader does not let a pastor continue in sin (drug abuse, gossip/slander, maligning, lying, and manipulation - just to name a few) without correction and discipline.

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We all know Jeannie Byrne wrote that first post on this thread. She is still crusading against the leaders of GGWO. What she fails to see is that God is moving. Maybe not as "fast" as those here would like but nonetheless, HE is moving!!!

Jeannie you should rest in the Lord. Let Him deal with the elders/leaders. You want to see changes?
Pray without ceasing. The branch ministry pastors have no "say" in GGWO polity. Be sure the bylaws have their hands tied. CHS has had too much power and control over the years. They are victims of the wickedness of the system but thats all.

Whether you are right which I believe you are, I also discern you are still angry and bitter and that will hinder the move of God and you know that. I posted before that you and Boss have a crusade going and I meant it. You are weary and heavy laden and need to seek the Lord for His rest. You will have much more peace. Until you get to a place where it doesn't matter what God does at GGWO and put your crusade to rest, you could very well be a hindrance to God moving and bringing changes in.

Give it up!! Let God be God for a change. Just because you are out of the system doesn't mean God is out of it too. Its become an obcession with you and thats where you have crossed over. God is moving. Things you don't know yet are around the corner with God's hands stamped on them. Things will NOT be done according to Jeannie Byrne but according to God.</font></font></font>

[orangetwopay (orangetwopay)]

Hey tool, if you have a family member that has done wrong, it's a family issue, not a town or state issue! you retards want everyone to nail stevens to a cross and truck him around to each church and every single jackass on this site so that they can bitch him out for what he did to them.

the churches you listed are in fact independent of what Stevens and Baltip does, stop trying to pass blame onto everyone else! if you have a problem with stevens, that's fine and great, but public stoning went out of style a long time ago!

[jeannie (jeannie)]

I absolutely did not write that first post. You don't know me so you have discerned wrongly. I absolutely see the spirit moving in my brothers and sisters in and out of GGWO.
You are quick judge to me. Why don't you contact me and actually have a conversation with me before you stamp me as angry and bitter and obsessed?
Jeannieree44@aol.com

[boss_martian (boss_martian)]

To British_sponge_bob,

You got one thing right. I AM CERTAINLY on a crusade.

This cult came and found ME! It found me and I think Carl and his group of cronies STINK!

I have prayed on this for months, BSB, and my conviction is that action must be taken. I think a lot (not all, but a lot) of the people who post "leave it in God's hands" really mean "leave Carl Stevens alone".

Orangetwopay is concerned that people want to parade Carl around and perhaps stone him. Maybe too extreme, but at the conclusion of WWII, Emperor Hirohito of Japan was forced by the Allies to publically state that he was NOT divine, as was widely accepted by the Japanese people. I think something similar is in order for Emperor Carl. He needs to publically state that HE is NOT annointed and never has been. THEN let the healing begin. HE'S the villain here, after all. Truth and justice NEVER go out of style.

Let me ask you a question, BSP. Why do Carl/GGWO supporters insist that God will handle the mess at GGWO, yet also insist that unless you go out "soul winning", souls won't be saved? Don't you think God is capable of handling that, as well?

I am certainly no Bible scholar, but any one who has cracked the book once or twice sees that God frequently uses people for a purpose. Now don't start thinking that I'm the rumored missing "third" Blues Brother and on a "mission from God", because I'm no more on a mission from God than anyone else that wants to see truth and justice prevail.

But rest assured, my Anglo brother, I'm on a mission. Take it right on down to the bank. I have lost WAY too much sleep, cried WAY too many tears, and seen WAY too many people that I care about get ground up and spit out by this idiot.

There are a lot of people here like Jeannie, Roberta, Bob Brinton, Anon the Brief, etc., that see the truth and are going to see this huge LIE end. It's not just that we want it to end. We will SEE it end. It's just a matter of time. The congregation is voting with their butts. They're parking them somewhere else on Sunday. God bless them!

Best Regards,

Boss Martian
Born with a mustache and a Super Nova....

[lee (lee)]

This has all been stated before and reiterated many times. To sit back and say, "let God handle it" is passive. God uses people. His word tells us to speak up when someone falls into sin and doesn't repent. It's a matter of obedience as well as loving someone enough to stand up and say what needs to be said. It takes faith to speak. It takes faith to put your name on a post. It takes faith to speak to people personally. Please don't shrug off your responsibility with the practice of letting anyone from GG tell you you don't have to do anything. Prayer is a starting point.

I like what Jack wrote about turning on the light so others can walk out of the darkness. That challenges me to find out from God what I can do where I live, with who I am, to find a way to bring light to this mess. Thats why we post on Factnet. Thats why we keep talking. Many read and many have seen the light and accepted it.

[boss_martian (boss_martian)]

Amen, Lee!

[orangetwopay (orangetwopay)]

but boss i thought our enemy was satan and that our battles were not based on flesh and blood? i didn't know Stevens was the anti-christ

i really don't see how all would be right if stevens did come out publicly and say all that, you know damn well people would still hate him, would still curse his name, would still show him no love, even if he is right or wrong or repents! you know full well that it's true. people would still shun him! where is the love of God people keep yappin' about on here?

you want healing? you want all to be right before God and man...guess where it starts WITH YOU! it starts in our hearts, it's not based on what so and so did or does. if you're going to wait for someone else to bring healing, guess what? you'll never see it!

[boss_martian (boss_martian)]

OTP (sounds like a rapper, and I mean that in a good way!),

My opinion is that you can't have healing until the perpetrator (and in this case, we're talking about Carl), stops the bad behaviour and then asks for forgiveness. At least that's the way it's supposed to work.

In the case of a disease, the patient cannot heal until the virus or bacteria that caused the sickness is eradicated. The first thing that has to happen is for Carl to be removed from power and admit what he has done wrong. The admission part is highly unlikely, but the reason for that is to stop the INSTITUTIONAL abuse of GGWO. The flock needs to understand that Christianity is NOT supposed to be like GGWO!

The problems at GGWO stem from Carl being treated as if he's better (annointed) than the people that he abuses. Why should this treatment continue? THE MAN CONTINIUES TO ABUSE PEOPLE!!!! What he continues to do is WRONG!!! Why do you insist that he be treated with kid gloves?

God will certainly forgive him. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that God will forgive him. In spite of that, Carl Stevens needs to pay the penalty for what he continues to do. Thieves go to jail. People who abuse children go to jail. Murderers go to jail. Thieves, child abuseres, and murderers can all be forgiven by God and also by their victims, but they all have to pay the price under the law.

Please explain to me why Carl Stevens deserves special treatment? I say that not only does he deserve punishment, his punishment will serve as an example to others. The flock needs to be shown that HE IS A MAN. Those who may be contemplating a career of spiritual abuse and taking advantage of others behind a disguise of being "God's Man" need to know that there is a very real penalty.

Carl Stevens has not repented, he continues to abuse. Carl Stevens is not humble, he still seeks to maintain his position as a minor god on earth. Carl Stevens has not spent one F*&amp;%ING second wondering if anything he's done has hurt someone else. All he sees is his colossal ego and not one other thing.

The brave people that have left have started their healing process and may God in His mercy give them comfort. When the LIAR and ABUSER Stevens is sent packing, then the remaining victims will start their healing process. Hopefully, they too will find comfort and move on.

Kissing Carl Stevens' ass is NOT part of the healing process. His abuse and the institutionalised mechanism of abuse have to stop NOW. PERIOD.

Boss Martian
Forged in Iron

[minutus (minutus)]

Hey, Boss, I could see you as Jake Blues!

[rjfernalld (rjfernalld)]

"The flock needs to understand that Christianity is NOT supposed to be like GGWO!"

It is true, but there are some who have left and gone on with God and still behave like the cult. The healing from this cult takes time and true repentence of the false doctrine and abusive elitism that characterizes the cult. Those that leave and do not fully heal from the false behavior that passes for spirituality go on also themselves to be abusive. True evangelical churches and their members are not abusive even though they may be agressive in their witness. True evangelicals are not haughty, at least those that I have known. They believe strongly, are agressive in their approach to evangelism, but they are not cruel, sarcastic and hateful to others.

Many of the people I have known from TBS/GGWO who have not completely eradicated the abusive behavior they emulated at GGWO have gone on to becoame this way though they have left GGWO and "gone on with God".

Abuse can breed abusers...Complete healing from this cult is the key. I hope people remember that. Not everyone becomes abusive to be sure, but those that do may need a dose of exit counseling to be free of that trait.

[rjfernalld (rjfernalld)]

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