%2425 million to MBCS

[Anonymous (200.117.192.216)]

Rumored donations the reason for MBCS problems? Been hearing from a couple of places that MBCS is supposed to be getting a ton of money, like more that $25 million. Anyone else know anything about that? Probably why there's a fight for control.

[pop (80.74.211.211)]

Maybe it was 25508500 TURKISH LIRA (TRL)

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

anyone who gives that kind of money to an outfit like that needs to get their head examined, but who am i to judge...i invest mine in real estate, and to some that might be just as goofy.ah well.. to each his own..

[Anonymous (24.172.44.98)]

"Where" is this money coming from?

[Anonymous (209.142.209.161)]

thats what I wanna know.

[Anonymous (80.74.209.153)]

Betsy?

[Anonymous (209.142.209.161)]

ok more on that endowment. seems like somehow its tied in with the schools that jackie gough started. been trying to get this christian foundation or something to give the money. anybody able to verify?

[Anonymous (209.142.209.161)]

folks this money is gonna appear according to the person who has been working it out for several years. it's tied in with some kinda insurance, maybe life, and from what I was told it's gonna appeer some time this fall. not even most inside mbcs know about it but marr and shcaller do and that maybe explains why there working so hard to get contol of the college. and rumor says its more than $25 million by a bunch.

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

I heard 40 million.

This must be stopped.

Anyone with information please post it!

[Anonymous (66.30.49.45)]

I think it is from some Christian foundation and is tied somehow to the work Jaci Goff.

[Anonymous (149.174.164.83)]

Maintstream media coverage is needed.

[RJ (141.154.186.91)]

I wonder if the Scientology group is involved with this...just a thought. I agree about the mainstream media. Someone with some connections ought to have them investigate.

Roberta

[Anonymous (66.30.49.45)]

I really don't think it has to do with insurance.
Maybe Jaci Goff knows. Someone should ask her unless she has been sworn to secrecy or has been cast too far out of the loop.

Roberta:
Be careful how aggressive you get with this investigation idea.. This is the BIG league. What will someone do to insure there are no hinderances to MBCS receiving $40 MILLION?!!!!

[Anonymous (4.139.18.208)]

Maybe someone needs to contact Diann Sawyer with 60 Minutes once again for a little "follow-up"

After all, with 7000 plus posts on this board SOMETHING must definitely be up; don't you think!

[bob (66.30.49.45)]

she isn't at 60 minutes anymore.
how about John Stossel's "Give Me a Break" !!(ha)

[Anonymous (68.33.60.157)]

I heard it was 250 million

[bob (66.30.49.45)]

no you didn't, you jerk.

[Anonymous (4.139.18.208)]

Mock if you will but SOMEONE who has concrete evidence should notify an investigative reporter to follow-up on these issues found within this organization.

[bob (66.30.49.45)]

only a select few have the specific info.
the source of the $$ has not been declassified
at this time and probably never will.

who the heck has the guts to pursue this?!

[Anonymous (4.139.18.208)]

Betsy?

[bob (66.30.49.45)]

wish she would but would hate to see her have to endure more crap with stevens.

[Anonymous (4.139.15.250)]

Isaiah 42:8 "I am the Lord; that is My name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

Marr's friend,involved with the 40 million is Phil Stewart

[Sha (152.163.253.102)]

Does everyone realize that with that kind of money they can pick up and move again to another location where not as much is heard or said about TBS/GGWO. And start all over again! Thats what will happen there has got to be something that can stop this!
Sha

[Anonymous (152.163.253.102)]

Let's hope it is not Guyana and they do not name it "Stevenstown"

[bob (66.30.49.45)]

watch out, folks.
remember-what would someone do for $40 mil.
this could start to look like the godfather part 4.

[Sha (64.12.117.20)]

Do you really think there could be reprocusions for someone? I have an uncle that works for a local christian radio station (non-ggwo) and I would love to ask him what the local christian community is saying cause believe me they are talking. (and i'm sure praying) But I wouldn't want anyone to have any problems.
Sha

[bob (66.30.49.45)]

$40 mil is the big league, that's all I'm saying.
If guns and cameras,etc. were brought into Lenox which only involved $6 mil than what would someone need to do to protect the deal for $40 mil...

[Sha (64.12.117.20)]

You make a very good point! Thanks
Sha

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

They can run, but they can't hide.

(Seemed appropriate, especially this week.)

They can't run farther or faster than the internet.

They can no longer hide from the truth.

[bob (66.30.49.45)]

That's a good point too.

[Cordell Walker (66.90.181.249)]

Millions to GGWO/MBC&S? Too much money, too few brains.

[Anonymous (152.163.253.102)]

Too many guns...

[Anonymous (4.139.6.40)]

Hmmmmmm? What state's name starts with an "M"; we've already covered: Maine, Massachusettes, and Maryland.

Maybe the next location for Greater Grace World Outreach, no doubt to be renamed soon, will be

MISSISSIPPI...

[Anonymous (152.163.253.102)]

Montana! That's where the Robinson's are heading when Pastor and GG crumble!

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Montana... isn't it easier to have guns there?

[Anonymous (216.183.184.131)]

Some trust in horses, some trust in chariots
(GGWO trusts in cash flow, and a compliant congregation)
But we trust in the Lord our God
(from the psalms)

[Cordell Walker (66.90.181.249)]

And we don't want 'em down here in the sunny south...

[Anonymous (4.139.6.40)]

Maybe GGWO will move to MONGOLIA?


Guess not, as there are not any Rite-Aid and Walgreen drug stores there...

[bob (66.30.49.45)]

Now that we know the scoop on Hogarth in Mass, maybe the $40 mil endowment to the Bible college will pay for a European homebase headed up by Schaller and bolster Baltimore headed up by Hogarth?

[bob (66.30.49.45)]

see the thread OUTRAGED IN MASS for the Hogarth dope

[bob (66.30.49.45)]

Let's not forget that the $$ is coming that might make Factnet powerless.

Homebase, as well as most of the diehard branches ,are girding up the "belief" and tooting the horns of heritage and affiliation as convention approaches- continuing the smoke and mirrors full-tilt boogie so there can be at least a facade of a Bible college for the giver of the $40 mil to give to!

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

Oh Bob take is depressing to think about!

I have heard two different stories about the money, both sources swear they are in the know.

If it is the long ago "life insurance pyramid scheme" there is no way to stop it.

If it is an endowment then the name of Christian foundation giving it, is being kept top secret. We need the name to stop it!

We need help!!

[Anonymous (68.55.83.36)]

Yes there is a direct connection to Scientology.Scientology shut down the Cult Awareness Network,by suing them, and now owns it. If you call there someone from Scientology is going to answer your questions about cults. Is that a joke or what?

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Is George Robertson manning the phones there now?

[Bob Brinton (151.203.179.90)]

Scientology, the study of scientol? or is it scient? Cordell?

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

Please refer to the new Scientology and GGWO threading for some answers.

[Anonymous (68.229.25.178)]

I can't belief that someone (individual or organization) would be willing or so foolish to give MBC&S and/or GGWO $25-$40 million. For what? Nobody in their right mind would do that, and yes I know that secular people often give a lot of money to their former universities when they pass on, but such a large gift/grant or whatever to a Christian charity by one single entity rarely every happens. I remember that the Salvation Army just got a $80 million gift or so around last Christmas and this was really a big deal.

But if MBC&S and/or GGWO would really get such an amount you can only guess what would happen to it -- based on their track record they most certainly wouldn't be able to handle that kind of money.

[Cordell (66.90.181.249)]

Scientology is L.Ron Hubbard's religious way of getting into the pockets of the likes of Tom Cruise, Kirstie Alley, and John Travolta.

The GGWO is Carl Stevens's religious way of getting into the pockets of the likes of you and me.

[Bob Brinton (151.203.188.20)]

Yeah, and Chick Corea. Chick doesn't sing, so we can listen to him without being contaminated. Bob

[Anonymous (4.155.30.208)]

I LOVE Chick Corea! But I digress......

All I am hearing is a bunch of rumors about this money. Facts, I want facts. It sounds like no one really knows, really!

How can we find out for sure? I think calling a newspaper and having them investigate might be one way..

I am trying to find Jaqui Gough, not because of this but because she is a friend of mine. You know she has left MBC&S and I think she is living in NH, but I am not sure about the details. The story she uses is that she is caring for sick family and I know that is true but where her heart is concerning the ministry, I do not know.

I called MBC&S to ask them for her forwarding address and they would not give it to me. Said I should ask one of her friends. I AM one of her friends, I told them. They still wouldn't help me.

Does anyone know where I could find Jaqui?

[Anonymous (4.139.18.212)]

Where her sick mother and Dennis are; there you will find Jaqui.

[PG (69.67.254.38)]

fact would be nice, yes

Corroborating, documented, public or proveable...

[Anonymous (66.30.49.45)]

Jaqui Gough knows nothing of the details regarding the endowment coming to MBCS. Her work in the inner city,etc was just how the whole ball got rolling in the first place many years ago but it wasn't her ball. Doesn't anyone who used to work with the inner circle folks know anything?

This thing would be great to blow wide open for all to see but only a very chosen few have the info and they probably will never tell.

God will have to take care of this one- doesn't the Bible have a lot to say about the wicked NOT prospering (for God will not be mocked!).

[PG (69.67.254.38)]

The best anyone has able to do with this is speculate regarding a rumor or two.
Without facts, the issue should be sidelined.

[Anonymous (66.30.49.45)]

The fact is that MBCS is receiving at least $40 million by the end of the summer.

We should sideline this issue? I don't think so.

Many on this board are going to be beseeching the Holy throne of God for a Divine obstacle!

[Anonymous (69.242.21.100)]

contact the O Reilly Factor at foxnews
but you must have alot of info to build on .
notes ,pictures all evidence .

its sad many ministries Churches and orgs waste money when there's people heading for hell

[Louise Connolly (24.128.24.65)]

That dough can buy Stevens a lot of botox which from viewing the streaming video feeds on their web page it looks like he is using too much.

[Anonymous (209.6.151.215)]

I would think that there must be a website where a list of donations are documented. I mean for tax deductions or purposes those things are usually public knowledge. I worked for non-profit and there was a book that listed what foundations gave (to submit bids to) what they had given in the past etc. I don't think that is something that could be kept entirely in secret.
Personally I think if stuff could be coordinated and brought to Bill O'Reilly's attention he would be the one to go for it. He know no fear.

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

http://hometown.aol.com/sexuntamed/

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Money in that amount is most likely from a private source with a personal relationship to GG. The alarms would have sounded during due diligence for any charitable agency.

[Anonymous (69.242.21.100)]

scientology $$$$$

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Now THAT'S a thought...small potatoes to the likes of them...they wouldn't really care about the doctine...and there is that person they have in common. Hmmm.

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Compensation for supporting the CAN's facade?

[PG (69.67.254.38)]

OK 66.30 you say - The fact is that MBCS is receiving at least $40 million by the end of the summer.

We should sideline this issue? I don't think so.

Many on this board are going to be beseeching the Holy throne of God for a Divine obstacle!


OK: How do you know that this is a fact????

[Anonymous (69.242.21.100)]

golf anyone ?

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

PG,
If you are looking for facts you need to go to another website. Despite its name, this board is all about rumors,opinions, and hearsay. If there are any facts, most of them are twisted, or what is the word..."spinned"

[Anonymous (149.174.164.83)]

There are no facts concerning the money. What is known is second or third hand. There is alot of "talk" concerning it. There is "talk" that Tom Schaller is calling the loss of Ed Lutz, DeDe Stoddard and others the "great purging" BEFORE the money will come in. There is "talk" that it is either a pyramid scheme or a life insurance multi-marketing deal that has been in the planning stage for about four years. There is "talk" that it is a donation from a Christian foundation whose name is a tightly guarded secret. There is "talk" that some will make a ton of money for helping this go through. There is "talk" that Irene Hubert is a major player in the deal. There is "talk" that a friend of M.Marr is involved by the name of Phil Stewart. But is all talk and no facts.

[Anonymous (69.242.21.100)]

meanwhile at the golfcourse ..the men begin counting the money and laughing ....

[Roberta (141.154.144.33)]

Have any facts come to light since convention?

[Anonymous (67.243.135.48)]

...money is probably being donated by the sweet and naive millionaire who spoke at GGWO this morning...what's his name?...Bill Ensor.
He is the owner of the largest cement company in Maryland if not the mid-Atlantic. He's a real nice man and I hope he doesn't get burned by Stevens like Doveydenas did!
Evidently, Pastor Awad helped his son get off of drugs so Ensor feels indebted to "Pastor" for life...Bummer!

[Anonymous (68.34.76.34)]

Actually the money is coming from a life insurance endowment. Don't know all the details, June Lowell would know.

[Anonymous (67.243.133.152)]

What?...

...Was Carl H. Stevens, Jr. named as a beneficiary of the life insurance policies of "the five men who died that went against him"?

[Anonymous (67.243.135.83)]

Figor they must a had "Whole Life" policies, uh-yup!

[PG (69.67.254.38)]

still absolutely and typically - no facts

[Anonymous (24.88.43.233)]

PG if you want to know why don't you call and ask the people mentioned or involved?

I know the internet is a great tool but the phone works.

[Anonymous (67.243.133.152)]

Good point 24.88!

Sooooo PG...Instead of smuggly sitting on your "accusatory butt" why know don't you "cough up" some: cold, hard facts!

Apparently you know all!

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

You are so lame.....PG is not the "accusatory" one. He is the one saying that the accusers have no facts. If anyone should be calling for or coughing up facts, it should be THEM, since they are putting out all these unfounded speculations

[Anonymous (67.243.133.152)]

Pastor, er, 205,

How about YOU come up with THE FACTS then????????

We are wise to the "tag team defense" done by you pastors on this forum so KNOCK IT OFF!

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

You are calling me a pastor....that shows how "wise" you really are....LOL...if you only knew who I really am you would see how foolish your wisdom is. There's a FACT for you!

[Roberta (141.154.144.33)]

Either of you, PG or 205...I am still asking for "facts" about the Friday night convention message from Pastor Stevens. I am willing to deal in facts, but no one who is connected currently with GGWO will answer with any.

Is there a fear that if you do you will be marked? I can understand that, actually...it has happened before. PG...I'd be willing to chat via email about it. I just sincerely don't understand Pastor Steven's own flock not rising to his defens. I am still hoping someone with actual courage will come along and declare them selves by speaking about the Five men died message.

[Anonymous (152.163.253.102)]

Roberta,
There is no defense for that message, except that Pastor Stevens was "out of it" that night and was not speaking what he usually preaches. That is why you are not getting the response you are looking for, whatever that may be.
Are you actually expecting someone to say, "Yes, people die who go against Pastor, and now we know that obedience and not grace saves us"
Is that what you are waiting for?
Everyone in and out of GG knows the message was off. End of story. It is old news now. Let it go

[Roberta (141.154.144.33)]

It is NOT old news and not something to be let go of. It is important for those who read this board and are too afraid to speak up to hear someone from the ministry actually SAY OUT LOUD that Pastor Stevens IS OFF.

Don't you understand? This is an important moment for those making decisons as to the claims of GGWO that the pastor is something special and the annointing is there every time he speaks...IT ISN'T AND HASN'T BEEN...but people who's eyes are now just becoming opened need to focus upon this certain night to have some of their long buried suspiscions verified.

Let it go? Get thee behind me...I won't let it go. No one should "Let it go" It is NOT old news for people having their eyes opened for the first time.

Or don't you care about them? They need to hear the silence from the gung ho GGWOers...they need to see that no one will say the truth.

Let it go? Not on your life. Knuckle under and shut up?...no. Never. Not as long as someone out there is hurting and needs answers. Never.

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

I will never shut up until the pedophiles are behind bars.

[Anonymous (152.163.253.102)]

Roberta,
"Get thee behind me"...? Why do you always have to address people who challenge or disagree with you as the devil? One of your other posts called them "accuser of the brethren". Not every one that disagrees with you is of Satan. Maybe they just see things differently. You DO believe in people being able to express their views without being attacked, don't you?

[RJ (141.154.144.33)]

Yes I do.

If the "Get thee behind me" offends you, I apologise. Here's the thing. I was told for so very long to "knuckle under and shut up" that we were not allowed to speak up and say the truth, that when someone says "stop speaking about it", I respond to it like its the ministry talking.

And besides, so many people tell each other not to speak here....I'd like a nickle for every time I have been attacked for speaking...it does sound like the old games.

It was not meant to you personally. Perhaps I will remember to say next time, that it is the spirit of the thing that seems wrong.

" You DO believe in people being able to express their views without being attacked, don't you? "

Oh I believe it...pardon me if after the number of attacks I recieve on a daily basis in my email and here on the board if I am just a bit reactive...you might be too, I suspect.

Roberta

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Thank you Roberta! Continue to speak, God is leading you, He is leading all of us.

We will not shut up until God tells us it is enough, it is not enough now as the leadership spin lies, abuse their own and says they are doing it in the name of my Lord.

I know there are many praying for this evil to end. Evil will not prevail.

As long as we do not keep silent.

[Anonymous (172.142.131.186)]

Acts 5:38m "Now in the present case let me say to you, stand off (withdraw) from these men and let them alone. For if this doctrine or purpose or undertaking or movement is of human origin, it will fail (be overthrown and come to nothing);
39But if it is of God, you will not be able to stop or overthrow or destroy them; you might even be found fighting against God!"

We needn't worry. If GG is not of God it will fail. If Factnet is not of God it will fail.

[Anonymous (69.242.21.100)]

meanwhile at the country club...

[Anonymous (24.88.43.233)]

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/crazy.gif bump

[Roberta (141.154.144.33)]

Anything new other than gossip or rumor about this endowment come to light?

[Anonymous (68.33.96.167)]

..

[Anonymous (65.234.188.10)]

Speaking of country clubs, this is the listing in the phone book for the GGWO church in St. Petersburg, FL:

Grace Community Chapel Country Club
7400 62nd Avenue North, Saint Petersburg, FL 33701

Maybe that's where the money is coming from http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

[Bob Brinton (151.203.161.112)]

Do they have a 'Mutual Admiration Society' branch?

[Anonymous (56.0.96.18)]

Leave them alone. Why judge a church by its name? There may be a very good reason for that name. And Pastor Kelly is a sweet man, a true servant who loves God

[Anonymous (216.183.184.253)]

Tim Kelly is a true servant of Carl Stevens to be correct.
Now as for loving God, there are some clues that you may be right. But when push comes to shove as with many GGWO members they will choose the doctrines of Carl to "BALANCE" the word of God. Un fortunately Tim Kelly is no different.

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

So you know Tim Kelly well, 216?

[JF (66.90.181.249)]

I do not know Tim Kelly at all. I saw him on a video on GGWO archives. Seems like he loves the Scriptures. I would love to meet him.

[Anonymous (56.0.96.18)]

He is a great guy, very genuine and a great preacher. He spoke several times at convention

[Jeannie (205.188.117.20)]

I believe Tim Kelly is one of the very few that stood up against Pastor and the elders during their discrediting of Paul.

He has spoken the rare message now seldom heard, The Word of God with the nature of God and without the GG agenda.

If any of the branch pastors were to finally do the righteous and biblical and demand that Pastor and these elders to step down, I think it would be Pastor Kelly.

[Anonymous (63.27.19.249)]

If my recollection is correct he was one of the FEW pastors who would not get up and espouse the "wonders" of Pastor Stevens preceding the preaching of the Word of God! That in itself makes him MUCH MORE credible in my opinion!

[Bob Brinton (151.203.161.112)]

Sounds like they're probably working on getting him out. Dangerous kind of guy to have around. Stalin knew how to deal with guys like that.

[Roberta (141.154.144.33)]

They always get rid of the good ones.

[Dave Carson (65.234.187.229)]

Tim Kelley is a good man who helped us when we returned from the mission field, for which I will always be grateful. I would like to believe the best of him in this situation, but the veneration of Stevens runs deep in the St. Pete church and its leadership. Their concept of pastoral authority is no different than in Baltimore. My prayer is that they would come through the crisis with a true understanding of grace and the high calling of biblical leadership.

[Anonymous (68.82.183.197)]

do something Satan doesn't want you to do tonight....PRAY

[brad (brad)]

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