Homosexuality is alive and well at GGWO

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

When does everybody go to the hippo? does the bus take you all down there. i have seen more of you there in recent weeks then i care to remember

[Anonymous (69.242.21.100)]

what is the hippo?

[Anonymous (172.163.243.236)]

what r u doin there?

[margo (152.163.253.102)]

everyone knows what the hippo is... heck i dont even live in baltimore and i know what it is... im not gay. heck im not even bi, and i know what it is.. i even know where it is... it is a gay bar in down town bltmore

[Anonymous (67.249.230.186)]

Latasha Brown

[Anonymous (67.249.230.186)]

Louis Hall

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

http://hometown.aol.com/ilmepartage/

[Anonymous (69.242.21.100)]

oh ok ..hey i haven't been to the city of Baltimore since 98

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

I have been to Baltimore quite recently but have no ideas where the gay bars are or what they are called. Why WOULD I????

[Anonymous (69.242.21.100)]

i think every church has some people that are mixed up in that bondage, hopefully they will repent and get delivered from it

[Anonymous (68.55.83.36)]

Is this news????????????

[Anonymous (67.249.230.147)]

Rita, watch out, Latasha is after you.

[Nancy Curra (172.168.251.103)]

What are you trying to say about Latasha and Louis? It is sladerous and gossip. Be careful. Unless you have had a personal experience with them, what you say is heresay and evil. It is uncovering to mention names in a thread like this. shame on you. have you gone to them alone? are you saying they live in sin? Just what is it you are saying? Be careful, sins of the tongue and thought are just as bad as any sin.

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

You people are so very sick and can't think for yourselves. I pity you

[Anonymous (65.96.153.178)]

The Gay Question

The question of whether or not homosexuality is a matter of birth is an extremely sensitive subject. The topic invokes strong emotion and prejudice, no matter which side one takes. Like abortion, it seems to be one of America’s unsolvable problems. To understand the causes of homosexuality, a great deal of objectivity and compassion is required.

As with so many other forms of aberrant behavior, we are dealing with victims in denial; it is always who they are. The very concept of gay pride was, of course, an imitation of racial minorities’ call for ethnic pride in the ‘60s. However, the difference between the two is obvious to most Americans. One is simply a racial matter, while the other is behavioral. The problem is that the homosexual denial of their collective guilt has formed into a dangerous political power to convince the world that criticism of homosexuality is racist. To make that stick, they must monkey with our sanity by standing common sense on its head. They must convince the public that their condition is one of birth and that their inclinations have nothing to do with upbringing or moral choice.

The truth boils down to the difficulty of breaking free from their vice-like grip of buried trauma conditioning. Having not known any identity other than the one conditioned from birth, they are fierce loyalists to the implanted one.

Sickness and Denial

Rather than face the painful truth about their troubled childhood, homosexuals are drawn, just as their parents were, to the familiar tormenting natures of who originally caused their pain. Denial is the typical defense for all sins, because when we are wrong it is the very first impulse that awakens.

The entire gay movement is waging a dangerous cultural war that will have disastrous consequences. Such unhealthy support groups proliferate and confound the youth while exploiting their members with false compassion. Troubled individuals are cannon fodder, getting nothing but enslaving compassion and rationalizations as cures. These organizations are endeavoring to conquer their collective guilt by way of demoralizing the youth. Better to upset the socio-political structure and change how the world sees them rather than face their deformed selves.

The average person is unaware of the depth and breadth that childhood traumas have on their adult behavior. Never underestimate the range of effects parents have on their children, and exponentially, their children’s children. If we take a moment to think about it, we can all remember how vulnerable we were, surrounded by a towering crushing adult world. Our parents were our gods; they represented the only protection against a confusing and dangerous world. Alas, that betrayal has caused the downfall of every civilization.

When dealing with any trauma, it is important to understand that it is a scientific, repeatable phenomenon calledConditioned Reflex Response, discovered and made famous by the Russian psychologist, Ivan Pavlov. In Pavlov’s groundbreaking experiment, a dog learns to associate the ringing of a bell with food; soon he salivates at the sound even when there is no food present. As in Pavlov’s experiments, the homosexual’s compulsive behavior becomes a lifestyle. Deploying this lifestyle against the nuclear family will bring down any free nation.

For this reason we should all compare our own compulsive behaviors with homosexual family conditioning.

There is one basic cause for most all inhuman suffering, just different suggestions and circumstances introduced through the cruelty of trauma. Since all of us have these experiences, manifesting in odd ways, then perhaps just seeing that might help us to have compassion for the homosexuals’ dilemma.

Patterns

In many years of counseling, I have dealt with countless family situations conforming to the following example:

Two boys are born into a dysfunctional family, composed of a cruel, confusing mother, and a brutal father (perhaps an alcoholic) who is rarely at home. Mother’s resentment toward the father is unloaded on these boys. Her unconscious hatred of men, beginning with her alcoholic father, projects and traumatizes both sons. Because of their different character dispositions, the stronger one rebels from her control, while the weaker conforms. Both boys, traumatized in the extreme, can no longer live from the identities with which they were born.

Fathers and Sons

Homosexuality is a developmental problem that is usually the result of problems in family relations, particularly between father and son. Because of failure with father, the boy does not fully internalize male gender-identity and develops homosexually. This is the most commonly seen clinical model.

Joseph Nicolosi, Reparative Therapy of Male Homosexuality, 1991.

There are many types of family dysfunctional disorders. One of them is overt homosexuality. The other extreme from the same maternal presence, manifests as machismo, a false masculinity--- actually a compensation for feelings of vulnerability and latent femininity. One brother becomes effeminate while the other grows up to be the average, culturally normal, but angry man.

Beneath the surface, both boys will carry a great deal of resentment unconsciously assuming the passive or aggressive identities of one or the other parent.

Abnormal Choices

Mother’s effect on her rebellious son makes him side with his errant father. In such an emotional state, where common sense goes out of the window and there’s more heat than light, there are only two lifestyle options available; rebel against your father and join your mother—or rebel against your mother and side with your father. Both are abnormal choices.

So one errant son, sides with his angry father rather than take on the identity of his mother the way his effeminate brother did. Again, just as his weak brother imbibed a false femininity, so the rebel ingests a false masculinity. The macho brother brings forth the various traits of his father by imitation —perhaps his father lifts weights, drinks and talks tough. This bogus identity is also adopted as being who he is.

The question is, why would he, or anyone, continue in denial. The answer is that they do not know that they are! That is why no one ever succeeds in his or her rebellion, instead, like it or not, they tend to transmogrify imperceptibly into the likeness of what they hate. The reason for this is simple; you cannot hate without feeling guilt —and you especially cannot hate your parents without guilt. The guilt is unconsciously relieved through bonding with, or running from, the hate object and then bonding with ‘compassionate’ friends.

The macho son is escaping the pursuing shame of seeing what he has secretly become at the hands of his willful mother. The childhood bonding has affected him more than he can ever admit. Clinically, the rule of thumb is, reject your father and, no matter what, you will become overly influenced by mother and then women.

Sadly, so many young boys are losing their grip on their masculinity as well as the carefree American way. Simply, it is the mother’s instinctive responsibility to nurture the children, to protect them from the harsh realities of the world that they are too young to face. On the other hand, the father’s intuitive responsibility is to bring the children into the reality of the world, to save them from being smothered, weak and spoiled.

Mother should be earthy and compassionate; father, a kindly no-nonsense type with a gentle, firm, no-nonsense masculine touch. Without dad’s modifying love, the child is in danger of becoming ruined, immorally wild and anti-social. If the child becomes more interested in comfort than in challenge, more interested in rights than in responsibility, he will soon become part of the mob needing a dictator in one form or another to govern him, his capacity for self-governance having been feminized and displaced. This is how all nations fall.


Lack of Balance


Without that noble father figure, the macho, hard-drinking son runs away (through women) from realizing that he is reinforcing that feminine core. Mothering women nurture the implanted gestating feminine seed. Still tied to women, lovers perpetuate the ruination of manhood, eating away at the facade of machismo.

More directly mired to his mother’s will is the appeasing effeminate son. Since he is the extension of her personality, he is under a compulsion to validate his mother’s identity in him by re-immersing himself in her approval. This is the classic denial process; we all tend to reaffirm the wrong in us by identifying with the very type of people who corrupted us. Here, mother and son are usually very close. This son is one of two types; if he retains his male behavior, he will be a weak and ineffective father, a womanizer and a mother of a husband to some unfortunate wife − or else he will become an outright homosexual. Emasculating women embrace their own identities lurking in all effeminate men made over in the image of females – even voting them into office.

The rebel and the conformist are both victims.

The reason why most parents treat their offspring so shamefully is they tend to act out what was done to them. Oblivious of their past and living in denial they continue the family legacy as corruptors of the innocent.

Homosexual groups have always claimed that there are two distinct types of homosexuals, one actual and one latent. As I said before, some men transform more directly into the female.

The rebel can also become a homosexual through a longer struggle of denying his feminine nature through an excess of female pleasures. A married man can go to bed one night crowing like a proud rooster and awaken one morning cackling like a hen. The identity metamorphism once completed, breaks through the facade of machismo and all at once, he begins to think and feel like a woman… and then looks at men through a women’s eyes.


Child Abuse and Lesbianism

There are special needs that little girls have that make them unique. When those needs are denied, ignored, or exploited, the future womanhood of that child is in jeopardy.

Just how are those needs denied, ignored, or exploited? Abuse can be overt, as in physical or sexual abuse, or it may be more subtle. Of course, its more subtle versions wouldn’t legally qualify as child abuse, but they are forms of abuse nonetheless, and they have far-reaching consequences. One of those consequences is a distorted sexual identity. I have seen, time and again, clear connections between early abuse and confusion in sexuality. And I cannot ignore the histories of the many women I’ve known who have survived one form of abuse or another and are also attracted to other women. Although abuse by itself does not cause lesbianism, it can certainly be found in the background of many lesbian women and has in many cases been a contributing factor to their orientation.

Carol Ahrens in Desires in Conflict, 1991.

Driven by rage denial, the rebel goes on to lose himself in machismo behavior, boxing, bodybuilding in a vain attempt to deny the implanted gestating feminine. He is now bound to conquer his woman-fixation and fears with anger. The incidence of rape-rage fulfillment has risen staggeringly. High school boys readily admit that they would rape (sex as conquest instead of slavery) if they knew they wouldn’t be caught.

The trouble is that a man rarely comes back in marriage as a real man —independent and ready to lead. Rather, he comes back to the woman as a little boy needing his mom. In spite of all the nurturing illusions of becoming more of a man in control, he experiences nothing but emasculation, just like his brother and father. Sensing the loss of masculinity can throw him into fits of violence and verbal or physical abuse. Then he runs and hides, drinking and hanging out with the boys.

As moths to a flame are men drawn to women just like those who helped shape their fathers. If, as I said, the process continues to completion, dad wakens one morning with a feminine identity emerging from the chrysalis of machismo that can no longer contain it.


Emerging Homosexuality


The female nature and spirit eventually breaks through all compensations. That is why we so often see muscle-bound, athletic men become homosexuals, long after apparently normal relationships with women. The machismo compensator is addicted to an angry life of denying the implanted femininity.

Some enjoy apparent success for many years, only to awaken one day as a full-fledged homosexual. At that time he ceases resisting the forces working within him and does an about-face. The rebel, who formally loathed his feminine nature, now becomes its cheerleader. At that point, of course, the gay rights organizations rush in to glory in the poor fellows’ awakening.

There it is in a nutshell-- hurters and rescuers. The violator -- the abusive or weak parent and all those compassionate supporters, are the same in principle and in spirit. Therein lies the terrible danger concerning the treacherous motives of allcompassionate nurturers.

The imbalance of too much mothering and not enough real fathering did both sons in. Millions of abused and neglected sons, who are not homosexuals, live out their entire lives in deep conflict and torment, with difficult relationships with their wives. At times, they commit violence against women as a way of getting even with their mothers for their enslaving embraces. Off they go swinging like monkeys by their prehensile tails from one bed to another, never able to commit to a marital relationship based on respect and loyalty because they fear the loving control.

Problems with Masculinity

As far back as a December 4, 1989 Time magazine cover article, “Onward Women,” the reporter made a startling admission: “Already, there are numerous signs that male attitudes and values are becoming ‘feminized,’ though most men might reject that description.”

She was right, of course on two counts. Men have become more feminized, especially the younger ones, and most menwould object to that description because it hits too close to home. The chilling thing is that the Time reporter meant it positively.

Our nation is in great trouble for the lack of enlightened fathers. Where there is no real father, a weak or violent one, or none at all, the mother inevitably fills the void. Thus, when identity springs dominantly from the female, it results in terrible conflicts for boys and problems for women.

If, as a nation, we can get fathers to understand this, we can return the hearts of the fathers to their children and the hearts of the children to their fathers where they belong. Women will no longer have to shoulder the burden of raising children alone. With the well-balanced American family unit back together again, the feminization of America will end. Families can become strong and loving again, and the country can head off its inevitable downfall.

Roy Masters

[Anonymous (67.249.224.14)]

Did someone die and leave Nancy Curra the Moral Monitor of the Factnet Greater Grace World Outreach board?

Nancy here's a little Spanish "para ti"...

..."esta comemierda en todas partes esta!"

[Lori Argenzio (141.157.84.223)]

Hey 67249 Nancy (my mother) is free to type her opinion like the rest of you, and pay close attention to this part ok- don't talk mierda here unless you want to put your real name out-
you are just a coward!

[Anonymous (200.74.64.33)]

Can't the cowards write here too?

[cowardly lion (200.74.64.33)]

What's mierda?

[Lori Argenzio (141.157.84.223)]

I never said that he/she couldn't type I said that if he/she were to call my mother names like a comemierda (which in spanish is a piece of shi*) then they should post their name but obvisously they are just that A COWARD!

and mierda is shi*

[Lori Argenzio (141.157.84.223)]

oh and by the way 67249, you need to brush up on your spanish because you can not start and end a sentence with "esta" ("this") it makes no sence so it's back to spanish 101 for you buddy.

[Anonymous (67.243.135.154)]

Me han descubierto mi nombre es Slanderous Coward,
Obviamente no comprendiste frases tipicas cubanas, "comemierda" significa "Metida Donde No Le Llaman", mas no es "piece of shi*..."

Now a translation for the viewers out in Cyberland...

You have discovered me; my name is Slanderous Coward. Obviously you do not understand Cuban idioms. "Comemierda" means, "a party-crasher; one who is not invited nor welcome to a place." So this word does NOT mean "piece of shi*"

Please tell your mommy to quit trying to control the content of this board with her moralizing!

Adios,

Alex

[Nancy Curra (172.142.136.37)]

Alex

The Spanish we speak es Cubano mi amigo y what I said was simply Biblical correction. If you have a problem with that I am truly sorry, but I said nothing wrong. I simply said that a person had no right to label a person or to talk about them. This is a Christian, I do repeat Christian site, so the Bible is what takes precendence. I did nothing more but say what God our Creator says. You do not slander a person perioud. si usted tienes una problema con la Biblia, es la problema de usted comprende? And by the way God is very moral. Y comomierda es shi* en Cubano. And by the way I don't need an inivitation to post.

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

I like having you here, Nancy.

[Loris Mom (172.142.136.37)]

O and excuse the typos please. BTW thank you Lori, my precious daughter.

[Nancy C (172.142.136.37)]

205 188 117 20

Thank you, honestly my purpose here is to help and not hurt but when I see some of the posts it is so disturbing. I just hope that those who have been hurt or wounded sense God's love thru all this mess.

[Anonymous (67.243.135.154)]

Gee mommy, where's my milk and cookies and my favorite "blankie?" Oh gosh, oh gee...this is soooo yummy to be in the glow or your goodness! Goody-goody gumdrops "you're staying after all...
What a "TOTAL SURPRISE" this new is! RIGHT!!!!!!

[Please pass the insulin I'm going into "sugar shock!]

[Nancy (172.142.136.37)]

Hon I never said I was good. I am a sinner just like everyone else on planet earth. But by the grace of God once we are saved He gives us the Holy Spirit. He is the good one. He communicates His love through people. And by the mercy of God I pray I am one He uses to love others.

[Cordell (66.90.181.249)]

It is a good idea never to feed the trolls.

[Anon Brief (149.174.164.83)]

...or to water the plants.

[Nancy (172.136.173.44)]

point well taken. thank you cordell. it saves water.

[Nancy (172.136.173.44)]

o btw for those who care I am finally getting out. My discharge date is July 20. Please pray all goes well. Thank you.

[ThinkAboutIt (172.136.173.44)]

Hebrews 3:15 "Then while it is [still] called Today, if you would hear His voice and when you hear it, do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion [in the desert, when the people provoked and irritated and embittered God against them]."
6Seeing then that the promise remains over [from past times] for some to enter that rest, and that those who formerly were given the good news about it and the opportunity, failed to appropriate it and did not enter because of disobedience,
Hebrews 4:7 "Again He sets a definite day, [a new] Today, [and gives another opportunity of securing that rest] saying through David after so long a time in the words already quoted, Today, if you would hear His voice and when you hear it, do not harden your hearts."

In love, Nancy

[Nancy C (172.136.71.179)]

If you Alex are slanderous coward, the one who claims to have gone out with Anna????

[Lori Argenzio (141.157.84.223)]

your welcome mom-

and alex you need to mature a little more

you said "Comemierda" means, "a party-crasher; one who is not invited nor welcome to a place"

not invited nor welcome right same thing as a piece a shi*

And who died and made you the host of this forum???

[Lori Argenzio (141.157.84.223)]

btw alex,

only good little boys get milk and cookies, and you have been a bad boy so your punished, it's time for you to go to your room and think about what you have done.

haha

[Anonymous (67.249.224.198)]

...but I gave her a necklet and a flute.

[Lori Argenzio (151.196.54.248)]

a necklet? a flute?

your funny, no more posting for you, i told you that your punished.

lol

[Anancymous (172.136.71.179)]

O geez now I know who you are Alex. you hold grudges forever huh? could it be jealousy that is fueling this latest onslaught? shame shame as Lori said You are punished, go to your room, think about what you have done and be more clever on your next post. *slaps hand* and walks oops rolls away

[Anonymous (67.249.224.102)]

You don't know me! I used to get drunk with her brother.

[JorgesMom (172.136.71.179)]

Yes I do you were in my house lol and her brother is my son. And since I have never seen him drunk well then we'll just call that heresay and gossip.

[LorisMom (172.136.71.179)]

O yeah and Lori is sending you Spanish 101 for freee. It will help you with you Spanish. See we love you Alex and btw when you are drunk please don't drive down my street. :D

[Anonymous (67.249.224.102)]

That's what you say!
Whatever...........

[Anonymous (63.27.26.182)]

Rita, watch out! Natasha B. has a crush on you!

[Anonymous (82.44.95.128)]

I attend a greater Grace Church in London. None of which I have read seems to represent what I have seen and been taught in my church. Our pastor is lovely, we are well taught. I feel so sad reading what I have read here about Latasha Brown. She visited our church last year and was so lovely. They really blessed our church. I have not felt so sad as right now in such a long time. I have just read so much and I can't believe that people would want to spread such malicious rumours to everybody on the internet about people of God.

My brother is one of the nicest people you have met and he is at Bible College in Baltimore. He is intellegent and honest and God truly led him to study there, I could go in to it but I assume my story will be cast down.

I read somewhere here that you think people at greater grace have their blinkers on. I don't have any blinkers on. I attended a Baptist Church all my life and started attending Greater Grace 3 years ago... My point is that the teaching is virtually the same! Both my parents attended a Baptist Bible College and they are too now members of Greater Grace. They do not see a big difference.

I don't know if the people here are Christians or what state you are in but I urge you to pray to God about this. i honestly believe this is not of God. God has and is doing a wonderful work through the ministry of Greater Grace. Do you want to stand before Christ one day and have this on your shoulders, the fact that you may have caused people not to be saved by disreputing the people who may bring the Gospel to them?

In Sincere love

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

82.44 Here are some resources for you:

NEW READERS thread
http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/3/2817.html?1093383772

Discuss GGWO board
http://s4.invisionfree.com/Discuss_GGWO/index.php?s=32035511942e494daa0725d27a7cfe84&showf orum=4

If you have a loved one in Baltimore, read GGCA thread post #2 -
http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/3/2076.html?1092595095

While you may not have personally witnessed wrongdoing in your local assembly, it HAS taken place over many, many years.

[Anonymous (24.58.114.87)]

“I have been to Baltimore quite recently but have no ideas where the gay bars are or what they are called. Why WOULD I????”

LOL yeah it’s funny how some people already have the gay bars scoped out! Plannin’ a lil trip are we?

[GG Member (82.44.95.128)]

Dear Anonymous (64.12.117.20) and whoever else wants to read this,

Thank you for recommending those links to me. I have posted after the first link about the court case.

After I posted somebody accused me of saying I was from London and actually having an IP address in Amsterdam. How can I consider the resources on this site to be credible if people are going to lie about me? If somebody would lie about such a small thing, then why not make up some more stories while they are at it.

I have expressed my opinion there if you would like to read it.

Anyway It has been interesting reading up on all of this. Very heartbreaking at times, I cannot believe people can have such an insaciable desire for more and more gossip and slander. I definately do not see that this site is being used by God at all and no matter which Church I belonged to, I would think the same. I believed that it was wrong to gossip and spread malicious rumour long before I had even heard about Greater Grace (I was taught all of this at the Baptist Church I attended).

Anyway I wish you all well,

I don't want to be nasty but I really think it would all of you a favour if you attended the churches you have now found and heard from God there,

Philippians 3
Pressing on Toward the Goal
12Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been made perfect, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. 13Brothers, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, 14I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.

The spirit here on this site is not of God, Satan is having a field day.

[Anonymous (152.163.253.102)]

To check IPs, go here:

http://www.networksolutions.com/en_US/whois/index.jhtml

[GG Member (82.44.95.128)]

How funny! I honestly live in the UK and I have no need to lie about it! Why would this benefit me? Your information source must be wrong. Honestly!

[JF (66.90.181.249)]

I think you're legit. Did you read my comment to you? Visit the Alan Lang story. It is true.

[Anonymous (66.185.84.203)]

I find religion fascinating, and was just wondering if an ability to believe in the supernatural is generally passed from parent to child, through nurturing, or if it is due to a more deep seeded desire to believe in an eventual eternal life? Perhaps a specific inexplicable event drew many of you to your religion of choice?
In the interests of anthropological knowledge I thank any respondents, and wish you luck and good fortune in your supernatural belief structure.

[jim_faucett (jim_faucett)]

Romans 1:19-21 (ESV)
For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. [20] For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. [21] For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened.

[brad (brad)]

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