My Own Religion

[none82 (none82)]

My Own Religion

I have no one religion that I follow. I believe in god. I had doubts before but since my grandmothers and grandfathers passing I know for a fact first hand there is life after death. I've had several experiences proving it.I have studied witchcraft when I was younger. Sliver raven wolf. I only ever had one spell that really "worked" and it was a love spell,(from the net not sliver raven wolf) which at the time, I didn't know would come back to me 3 fold, but it did, ( I was 15)and since that I haven't touched spells or anything of the sort. I believe what I want and leave the rest behind, I don't like the idea of following one person. IMO that is conforming. And I just don't like the idea of it.

[doug (doug)]

Hi none82!
Sounds pretty cool 2 me. Conforming and rebelling are the same thing in my book. Either way one is reacting to something that is not their inner man and makes one a creature of environment rather than a creature of conscience. You saw things for yourself and don't like spells or the idea of following man. Sounds like you could be on the right path. God bless you if you are and God help you 2 B if you ain't.
Douglas

[infoman (infoman)]

You don't know what you are messing around with.
You wouldn't go into a lions den for they would tear you apart and spit out the bones.
All witchcraft (whiteor black)you must ask where the power comes from.
It all comes from satan ( the god (little G) of this world.
The power comes from Satan.
No one has power over evil or Satan.....UNTIL....they receive the power from the one who defeated Satan.

Jesus defeated Satan and received for us power over evil, hell, and spiritual death.

HE gave us authority over all the power of evil and satan by using his name.
His name is above every name that is named.
We live as a three part being. We ARE a SPIRIT, we have a soul(mind,will and emotional makeup) and we live in an earthsuit called a body.

God is a spirit.
Satan is fallen and defeated demonic spirit.

Ask Jesus to come into your life receive him as your Lord and Savior from spiritual death and then you will receive all power and authority over satan and evil spirits, and evil.

Without being born from above through Jesus you can't come into relationship with God and you have NO power over satan and his demonic spirits and forces.

"For we wrestle and battle not with flesh and blood beings but are battle is with spiritual pricipalities and powers in high places" Ephesians 5

[none82 (none82)]

hello,
infoman, I can see you don't know much about wicca or witchcraft, it has nothing at all to do with the devil. try reading some books such as sliver raven wolf,and educating yourself on religions before you down other peoples, witchcraft, used to be mine, its not anymore.
I only dabbled in it and know that it has nothing to do with the devil. It does have to do with nature and GOD whatever you consider him to be. In fact I dont even believe in the devil, so im not worried about him very much. Things that you don't believe in dont have very much power do they? I think that people create evil. People Also create good. Now if there really IS a devil, GOD created him since god created everything right? as he did us all, therefor, god in a way is part of the devil. I believe god exists in all things people and animals. I believe that there is something beyond us, yes because i have had experiences that had proved it to me, I assume that they are spirts, not god, or angles or such, just spirts, i know first hand b/c i have them in my house. but wicca isn't evil at all that's just a misconception Christians have. I do believe in Jesus, I don't need you to tell me to believe in something to be "saved". but thanx anyways ;)

[overseas (overseas)]

To none82

Maybe you think you are cool because you believe what you want, but people do this since the creation of the world. So nothing new, nothing original. What you have to do is to put your "own religion" to tests: does it work in your/ others life, does it have answers for tough questions like who are we, what's after death, what can give us strength to love people and so on... My guess is as soon as you figure the answers in your own way, you will find yourself 90% enrolled into the doctrines of Hindu or some Yoga or other major known group. And that is going to be a surprise only for you. About Jesus, please note that Jesus was not very tolerant with people own beliefs, He taught His truth as opposed to human ignorance or lies. God gives you the right to follow your beliefs or His Word, but God does not allow you to mix his Word with your beliefs.
The part with 'things you don't believe in don't have very much power' is a joke ? Just try to believe you can live without food... There are laws of God in this universe you cannot escape. Think about this.

[hillbilly (hillbilly)]

Douglas???!!!!!

Your post confuses me. How does getting into witchcraft sound cool 2 ya? Or were you speaking of something else.

Non82,

You are right there is life after death. There is only one truth and it cannot be found in yourself.

What did you mean about a spell coming back to you 3 fold?

Also, if you ask my friend Douglas (and I call him a friend because we chat often here although we do disagree) he will show you bible verses that state God created evil. Now I personally don't like to put it that way but God did create Lucifer who in turn selected evil. (Oh man here goes the whole predestination thread going over in my head again here.) (Hillbilly smiles at Douglas http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif )

I will tell you this Non82, one of the first steps in having an eternal life that is not terrible is understanding that there is evil and that evil exists in you as sin nature. Until you understand this, you will not understand a need to be saved.

God Bless You,

[goomby (goomby)]

none82,

Infoman and I do not see eye-to-eye on some things, but please consider his above post. What he says is correct. The origins of wicca and witchcraft are from the devil.

whether you belive in something or not does not effect it's power. Gravity is not effected by my belief in it. If the Earth is flat or round is not effected by my belief. The only thing that can effect something's power over you is by applying something that has greater power. The wind and the aerodynamics of an airplane combine to create 'lift', a power that is greater than gravity.

Jesus combined with your faith in Him gives you power over the devil.

Seek God for direction with an open and sincere heart and He will show you.

[nwmomike (nwmomike)]

For those defending Christianity you can't expect to take someone from the starting position straight into doctrine or the gospel until they grasp concepts such as biblical reliability, the nature of God, etc.

Quote:I have no one religion that I follow. I believe in god. I had doubts before but since my grandmothers and grandfathers passing I know for a fact first hand there is life after death. I've had several experiences proving it.

I just want to follow where you are at. The question you have to take from that point though is since there is a God wouldn't it make sense that that very God would reveal Himself to His creation? If that is so what would the earmarks of that revelation be? Wouldn't it seem cruel to create us then let us grope around in the dark trying to find the light?

Quote:I have no one religion that I follow.

Okay, but you have to ask yourself crucial questions. You know by the laws of non-contradiction that they all can't be true. That makes totall sense. So you're options are either none of them are or at least one. As the case with all of them what evidence is presented to prove the case of either none or at least one?

To choose to not follow one not knowing the truth is okay. As long as you're not taking it to the point that regardless of which one, or more than one, has evidence I'm still not going to follow.

Just some thoughts for you to ponder. But also since you believe there is a God then it follows that you would expect Him to hear you. So why not ask Him to reveal Himself to you? Let Him know that you're not sure.

M or Michael

[nwmomike (nwmomike)]

Quote:infoman, I can see you don't know much about wicca or witchcraft, it has nothing at all to do with the devil. try reading some books such as sliver raven wolf,and educating yourself on religions before you down other peoples, witchcraft, used to be mine, its not anymore.

Response:
http://www.exwitch.org/cms/
http://www.exwitch.org/cms/mod.php?mod=userpage&menu=30&page_id=74


Quote:I only dabbled in it and know that it has nothing to do with the devil. It does have to do with nature and GOD whatever you consider him to be. In fact I dont even believe in the devil, so im not worried about him very much. Things that you don't believe in dont have very much power do they?

Response: I think someone pointed out that just because you don’t believe something doesn’t mean it doesn’t have power over you. What if you found out it did? The point is if it’s possible something has control over you wouldn’t you want to know and do what you could to find out who or what it was that controlled you? Dismissing it doesn’t mean it isn’t so.

As far as “whatever you consider him to be”. To make him out to be whatever you conceive or want to believe only says that you make God in your image. God would be who he is regardless of whether you existed or not. You have to find out whether he revealed himself and if so what is his nature, not how it confirms to your notions.

Quote: I think that people create evil. People Also create good.

Response: People actualize evil. People have a choice to do good or evil. Without choice love is meaningless. You could have been created to do all good with no choice. But without it you would be like a robot. But with choice you know what both love and hate is. So by choosing love has meaning.

Quote: Now if there really IS a devil, GOD created him since god created everything right? as he did us all, therefor, god in a way is part of the devil.

Response: You make a wrong assumption in that just because there is evil that god created it or is evil. God created Lucifer as a free moral agent. He had a perfect opportunity and position to always do good. So he was perfect. But Lucifer decided that wasn’t good enough and wanted more than what he had. So he actualized it and that was the sin. Sin is not a THING, it is simply the absence of doing good. God may have created the potential for sin when he created us and Lucifer but He in no way created sin itself. Lucifer as well as all of use actualize it every day. We prefer doing things our way and in some cases contrary to what we know is wrong. I’m sure I’ll get comments on some of this. With the holidays coming up though I have limited time.




Quote:I believe god exists in all things people and animals. I believe that there is something beyond us, yes because i have had experiences that had proved it to me, I assume that they are spirts, not god, or angles or such, just spirts, i know first hand b/c i have them in my house.

Response: Imagine your experience as a small sample of what God wants you to know. Wouldn’t it be wonderful to know more? Not in visiting spirits but God revealing himself His way. Wouldn’t you think He is powerful enough to hear you ask for help to reveal himself to you?

Quote: but wicca isn't evil at all that's just a misconception Christians have. I do believe in Jesus, I don't need you to tell me to believe in something to be "saved". but thanx anyways ;)

Response: I ask that you go to the sites I posted above and read carefully. You might have your own misconceptions about wicca. You believe in Jesus but did you follow what he commanded you to believe and do? Even the demons believe and tremble. That have head knowledge, know his power, know what he is capable of and fear him, etc. But they don’t have him in their heart and trust him that what he has done for us.

I simply want you to seriously think about what your assumptions are and be willing to test those assumptions. But also to earnestly seek God. But not a god according to what you, yourself, or anyone conceives to be but what God is. If He can create the universe, human beings, spirits, etc. it’s quite easy enough to simply hear our prayers to know him the way he is.

Later

M or Michael

[overseas (overseas)]

none82, you were blessed to discover that there is something beyond us, that is a good starting point for you to go on. You are blesed to be out of wicca and still be mentally sane. I was in martial arts for 6 years and this way I discovered there is another (spiritual) reality. At the same time, I almost lost my mind. Some friends of mine remained in martial arts and went to jail because of violence and theft. I believed in Jesus based on what I read in the Bible. Whatever you do, take care, do not cease looking for truth, always use your mind but remember that finding truth is primarily an ethical issue (if you are ready to conform the truth) not intelectual. Wish you the best blessings of the true God.

[doug (doug)]

Hillbilly,
you asked
<font color="0000ff">Your post confuses me. How does getting into witchcraft sound cool 2 ya? Or were you speaking of something else.</font>
It sounds cool that he checked it out and discovered it wasn't for him.
This is what I think is cool
none80 said these things
<font color="0000ff">I have no one religion that I follow. I believe in god.
I know for a fact first hand there is life after death.
I didn't know would come back to me 3 fold, but it did, ( I was 15)and since that I haven't touched spells or anything of the sort.
I don't like the idea of following one person. IMO that is conforming. And I just don't like the idea of it.</font>

[doug (doug)]

none82
Sometimes I've wondered if the devil isn't God's anger

[dazed_and_not_so_confused (dazed_and_not_so_confused)]

None82 ..

I hope you have not been deterred from engaging in the discussion by the responses you received.You started the board I guess with intent of inviting discusssion rather than just stating one persons belief. As you can see it is great topic and one that a lot of people want to discuss, and as you can see, Christians also have different perspectives, which always makes for an entertaining read.
I agree with mwmomike that verbose doctrinal discussion maybe a little pre-mature.

I for one have no real undertsanding of Wicca etc and am interested to hear from someone that dabbled and rejected .. and why.
secondly you mentioned you believe in Jesus, in what sense do you believe in him ... as simply a human being that got a lot of press, a human with prophetic gifting, a human who is also the Son of God, God in human skin etc ... I think that would be an useful point to take the discussion that will gain mutual understanding.